Author Topic: Re: A Game Lost Completely due to the Draw (Read 7063 times)

mjwolfe · « **Reply #25 on:** July 14, 2009, 02:36:51 PM »

I completely support the intro-prep phase idea plus a draw phase on the first turn starting with the second player. These sound like easier changes to adopt than some of the other more drastic changes being suggested to cut down on the number of "three turns and you lost 5-0" scenarios. We've used them in teams play and found them to work pretty well.

Plus, they'd be easier to explain to players who show up at tournaments after they haven't played in a few years. Some of the other ideas being mentioned might even make their old deck invalid for that tournament.

Mike

Smokey · « **Reply #26 on:** July 14, 2009, 02:38:24 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on July 14, 2009, 02:33:09 PM

Oh thats actually a pretty good idea, I just wonder if that will slow games?

Why would this slow games? Each person would play maybe 2 cards before the game starts

Korunks · « **Reply #27 on:** July 14, 2009, 02:40:44 PM »

Defense can get out faster, makes those early lost souls a little harder, in T1 that can be the difference between a 40 minute game and a 15 minute game is the rescue of a lost soul. Not saying that games taking longer is bad, just something to consider.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #28 on:** July 14, 2009, 02:43:41 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on July 14, 2009, 02:40:44 PM

Defense can get out faster, makes those early lost souls a little harder

Thats the point. If you get a bad draw with like 4 ls out, you NEED to be able to defend better or else you're hosed. This helps stop the 3 turn wins which I agree can be a problem.

Smokey · « **Reply #29 on:** July 14, 2009, 02:52:46 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on July 14, 2009, 02:40:44 PM

Defense can get out faster, makes those early lost souls a little harder, in T1 that can be the difference between a 40 minute game and a 15 minute game is the rescue of a lost soul. Not saying that games taking longer is bad, just something to consider.

I think a 40 minute game that was more well played on both sides in more enjoyable to both parties than a 15 minute game that someone lost because of a bad draw and inability to defend, but I don't think 25 minutes will be decided by an artifact or fortress

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 14, 2009, 02:43:41 PM

Quote from: Korunks on July 14, 2009, 02:40:44 PM
Defense can get out faster, makes those early lost souls a little harder

Thats the point. If you get a bad draw with like 4 ls out, you NEED to be able to defend better or else you're hosed. This helps stop the 3 turn wins which I agree can be a problem.

Korunks · « **Reply #30 on:** July 14, 2009, 02:55:57 PM »

As I said I don't think it is a bad thing and I am all for it. I just like to think of as many repercussions as I can.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #31 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:28:04 PM »

The idea has been suggested for at least 3 years now, it would be awesome if it was implemented in the near future... Especially with all the people calling for more drastic changes, this is a very simple change that will achieve the desired end result, less 3 turn 5-0 games.

Kirk

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #32 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:46:24 PM »

Both the "2nd player draw 3" and "intro-prep phase" are simple enough changes that they could just be added to the next rulebook that comes out.

Of course that will be with the 2010 starter decks, that have 60 cards each and one of the decks is based on apostles (and includes enough cards to make them playable). Woops, I think I was dreaming there for a minute

D-man · « **Reply #33 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:08:20 PM »

Are you referring to the rulebook that specifies, "A game is played until one player has rescued 6 lost souls."?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #34 on:** July 15, 2009, 12:09:40 PM »

I am in full support of both the intro prep phase and 2nd player draw on first turn. It's simple, and would definitely help avoid quick 5-0 games. Having been on both sides of the coin on that one, I can tell you neither winning nor losing in such a manner is fun.

Redemption Player X · « **Reply #35 on:** July 15, 2009, 12:14:36 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on July 15, 2009, 12:09:40 PM

I am in full support of both the intro prep phase and 2nd player draw on first turn. It's simple, and would definitely help avoid quick 5-0 games. Having been on both sides of the coin on that one, I can tell you neither winning nor losing in such a manner is fun.

Agreed, even though I count on them not being set up to get my first Lost Soul. I usually end up losing anyway though

NWJosh · « **Reply #36 on:** July 15, 2009, 12:53:37 PM »

I like both ideas, especially the into prep phase. I know more then a few times I've drawn Unknown Nation or Unholy Writ and had to sit there unable to stop my opponents 4/4 no SA guy all because I didn't play first.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #37 on:** July 15, 2009, 12:54:55 PM »

I agree that a pre-prep phase should be created. IMO, it is the best solution to the problem.

lightningninja · « **Reply #38 on:** July 15, 2009, 07:13:12 PM »

What exactly do you guys mean by an intro prep phase?

sk · « **Reply #39 on:** July 15, 2009, 07:15:25 PM »

An intro prep phase gives each player a chance to put cards down before the game begins.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #40 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:55:50 PM »

So like, once its decided who goes first, the opponent of that player gets to put down some forts and arts and stuff before the player can RA?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #41 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:59:07 PM »

Both people can

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #42 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:59:31 PM »

Player A : "Do you have any fortresses?"

Player B: "Go Fish!"

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #43 on:** July 15, 2009, 11:00:54 PM »

Quote from: Janissary on July 15, 2009, 10:59:07 PM

Both people can

Well obviously the one going first can, because its his turn.

D-man · « **Reply #44 on:** July 16, 2009, 09:25:45 AM »

But with intro prep phases, he won't have to do it on his turn, because he can do it before his turn. It saves time

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