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Possibilities in the New Starter
« on: February 27, 2013, 03:42:19 PM »
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I'd like to get some positive hype rolling about the new starter set. We had a similar discussion on the old board when the last couple starters came out.

Here's some of the things that are fun to mull over:
-Looking at past starters, what 8 Brigades do we anticipate to be in this starter set?
-What reprints do we expect to find? (past examples, correctly predicted, included Tables of the Law).
-What themes might get a "boost" in this starter?
-What new themes might we see?
-What will the packaging be like? (we've had red, blue, green, and maroon schemes)
-Will "I/J" be worse than "E/F" to differentiate?  ;D

POSSIBILITIES...

New Themes
Ruth

Themes to Expand
Deacons
Musicians
Persians
Greeks
Heretics
Magicians
Goats of the Bible ;)

Brigades
Teal (Not Yet in a Starter)
Orange (Not Yet in a Starter)
Blue (No Dina, Issachar, Gad, Naphtali...)

Packaging & Design
Starter Cards will have "I/J"
Cards will be noticeably different than Tin "I" cards
There may an additional icon

« Last Edit: February 28, 2013, 09:20:05 AM by Red Warrior »
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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2013, 05:29:30 PM »
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You can add Deacons to the themes that need to be expanded.

As far as the I/J thing, I agree that they will be hard to tell apart with such small print. I also felt that they could conflict with the Tin I Cards, other than additional symbols being present. I still advocate for J/K decks, since they are easy to tell apart and have no conflicts. I tried to tell Rob, but he thought I was kidding.   ;)
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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2013, 05:37:13 PM »
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The theme of Goats needs to be expanded. There are only a few goat cards (Scapegoat and Goat with Horn).
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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2013, 06:46:07 PM »
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I'd like to see heretics get some love
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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2013, 06:48:14 PM »
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I would like to point out we can more or less rule out Blue as a possibility in the starter considering how many cards they have gotten since the Tins have been released.
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2013, 06:56:54 PM »
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i want to see heretics and some demon/magician work

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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2013, 07:17:40 PM »
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I'm fairly certain that one deck will be OT and one will be NT (technically the OT good will be paired with the NT defense because the OT offense will be made to fight the OT defense)

So what NT offenses could we see, I'd guess that Peter and Andrew will be paired with Angels (based on another topic that said there would only be so many NT humans or something like that). I would expect them to fight Demons and one of the human NT themes.

I don't really know for the OT deck, but both Judges and Priests were suggested. Priests would pair well with Kings, Judges with warriors.

This is all speculation and we'll have to wait until new information becomes available to know for sure.
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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2013, 07:54:09 PM »
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As far as the I/J thing, I agree that they will be hard to tell apart with such small print. I also felt that they could conflict with the Tin I Cards, other than additional symbols being present. I still advocate for J/K decks, since they are easy to tell apart and have no conflicts. I tried to tell Rob, but he thought I was kidding.   ;)

I thought the same thing. Rob has laid out the first 51 cards and I've been helping proof them. That means that we're probably only a couple weeks away from going to the printer! :)

The I & J don't appear to be very hard to tell apart, at least on a computer screen. Also, the I deck will be easy to differentiate from the 10 tin cards for reasons I cannot fully explain, but in part because the FOOF cards have the FOOF symbol at the bottom in addition to the I.

There are other threads with hints and clues. It would be interesting to see them all quoted together in this thread to see what information has actually been made public.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2013, 08:07:19 PM »
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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2013, 08:20:11 PM »
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Also, the I deck will be easy to differentiate from the 10 tin cards for reasons I cannot fully explain
Deck symbol/icon? Deck marker?

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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2013, 08:30:27 PM »
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It had better voice recognize the Konami code.
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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2013, 09:24:52 AM »
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List updated with new information... Deacons, Magicians, Heretics, I've also noted Redemption's flagrant disregard for Goat players... something really must be done there  ;)

I will need some help gathering hints. I really haven't seen many (er.. any?) solid hints yet but I don't wander much outside of Rulings and Deck Building. In the past (and I'm sure as we get closer to the release) we've had enough clues to get entire cards figured out. "A+B+C" kind of deduction.
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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2013, 01:29:33 PM »
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Also, the I deck will be easy to differentiate from the 10 tin cards for reasons I cannot fully explain, but in part because the FOOF cards have the FOOF symbol at the bottom in addition to the I.

I'm guessing some full art cards?
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2013, 06:57:38 PM »
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At Boston nationals, Bryon mentioned wanting to have characters that everybody knows from the Bible for the I/J starter decks. That was way back in Boston, but I think it's probably an idea that they stuck with.

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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2013, 10:52:36 PM »
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At Boston nationals, Bryon mentioned wanting to have characters that everybody knows from the Bible for the I/J starter decks.

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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2013, 11:11:40 PM »
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At Boston nationals, Bryon mentioned wanting to have characters that everybody knows from the Bible for the I/J starter decks.

Shamgar reprint FINALLY.
But which art?  :P
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2013, 11:26:23 PM »
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At Boston nationals, Bryon mentioned wanting to have characters that everybody knows from the Bible for the I/J starter decks.

Shamgar reprint FINALLY.
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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2013, 02:00:58 AM »
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Do we know the cost of the new set? Will it be the same as othe starters can I put in preorders?
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2013, 08:44:27 AM »
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Do we know the cost of the new set? Will it be the same as othe starters can I put in preorders?
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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2013, 12:11:36 PM »
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Maybe a purple Peter and Andrew since they are the only non purple disciples left besides a hero Judas or reprint of Matthias

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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2013, 12:19:58 PM »
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I think we have enough Disciples. We need to expand the themes that are too weak to stand alone. Magicians are versatile enough because of their dual-brigade format. We need more Deacons, Musicians, Persians, Greeks and Heretics. We could probably use more Canaanites, too.
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2013, 12:20:48 PM »
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Maybe a purple Peter and Andrew since they are the only non purple disciples left besides a hero Judas or reprint of Matthias

I'm guessing we see reprints of Peter and John (as Purple/Green) and Andrew (as just Purple).  Andrew will band to Peter, I predict, not the other way around.  And Peter and John will probably have clauses in their abilities that don't let them use Hidden Treasures (or at least not play AOCP preblock).
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2013, 01:20:23 PM »
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I think we have enough Disciples. We need to expand the themes that are too weak to stand alone. Magicians are versatile enough because of their dual-brigade format. We need more Deacons, Musicians, Persians, Greeks and Heretics. We could probably use more Canaanites, too.

Canannites need a way to deal with banded hero's they are great against solo rescues but rescues of 3 or more become next to impossible to stop playing solely Canannites
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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2013, 01:29:47 PM »
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Canannites need a way to deal with banded hero's they are great against solo rescues but rescues of 3 or more become next to impossible to stop playing solely Canannites

They need a way to deal with CBN banding.  Tower and CWD are both great with Canaanites, and these stop plain-vanilla banding.
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2013, 01:52:29 PM »
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Every defense has something to stop CBN banding its called Household Idols ::)
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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2013, 01:53:16 PM »
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Maybe a purple Peter and Andrew since they are the only non purple disciples left besides a hero Judas or reprint of Matthias

I'm guessing we see reprints of Peter and John (as Purple/Green) and Andrew (as just Purple).  Andrew will band to Peter, I predict, not the other way around.  And Peter and John will probably have clauses in their abilities that don't let them use Hidden Treasures (or at least not play AOCP preblock).

I started of cheering with excitement only to end with a chorus of boos.   :rollin:
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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2013, 02:15:49 PM »
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John is fine as is. I do think James could be better, he is very useless except for a band

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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2013, 04:51:33 PM »
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I started of cheering with excitement only to end with a chorus of boos.   :rollin:

You have plenty of ways to play ANB preblock without Peter and John  ;)  The best being, of course, Isaiah with his Call attached; any Nazareths in play won't stop your ANB.
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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2013, 09:05:46 PM »
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John is fine as is. I do think James could be better, he is very useless except for a band

A new James would be nice. I would like to play an awesome version of the disciple I was named after! :) Also, I think James, Half-Brother of Jesus could get a reprint.
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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2013, 09:11:01 PM »
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I'd like to see additions to Canaanites (evil). I think they're due for an update.
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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2013, 09:35:40 PM »
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An out of print staple will see print once more and a three version Hero is soon to be four.

I know these aren't a ton in terms of clues, but figured I'd post them. They're all quotes from Gabe in the 'Any news on I/J Starter Decks' thread.
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« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2013, 09:45:11 PM »
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I'd like to see additions to Canaanites (evil). I think they're due for an update.

I concur. It'd be nice to see that theme be expanded a little bit more.
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« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2013, 09:50:53 PM »
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I'd like to see additions to Canaanites (evil). I think they're due for an update.

I concur. It'd be nice to see that theme be expanded a little bit more.
I like the Cannanite ideas as well.

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« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2013, 10:59:27 AM »
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I started of cheering with excitement only to end with a chorus of boos.   :rollin:

You have plenty of ways to play ANB preblock without Peter and John  ;)  The best being, of course, Isaiah with his Call attached; any Nazareths in play won't stop your ANB.

Bite your tongue!  There's NEVER enough ways to play ANB pre-block.   :laugh:

That being said, if you think of characters who should have the ability to play ANB pre-block, both Isaiah and John would be in the top 5 (if not the top 2) for all their prophecying of "a new beginning".  ;)
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« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2013, 11:16:22 AM »
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An out of print staple will see print once more and a three version Hero is soon to be four.
How many Heroes have been reprinted 3 times? Figure that out and we can figure out a theme. Ezekiel (unlikely), Eli the Priest (seems also unlikely, unless they make him Gold/Teal), David (kind of), Gabriel, Michael, Miriam, Aaron, Moses, John (but we just had him last starter deck), and...what others? I'm sure I'm missing some prophets
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« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2013, 01:03:29 PM »
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I made a thread about this last year and here's all the confirmed info that came up during that (accurate as of each posting, which was almost a year ago, lol):

The next Redemption release by Cactus Games will be a starter deck.

That starter deck will contain each of the brigades that were not used on a card in the 2011 release.

The Dominants used and character counts will not be exactly the same as we've used in the past starters.

One old Dominant is probably going to receive a new ability.

If nothing changes between now and the final draft, there are 19 enhancements and 19 characters being reprinted into the appropriate brigade for their theme, most with new abilities.

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Rob wanted some super well-known heroes in the starters this year.  Players have already guessed Peter and Andrew, and there are a couple more VERY well-known heroes from that theme in that deck.  Those are the only human heroes in that deck.  :)

Since we wanted the starter decks to be very simple, we have included some characters in each deck that do not have special abilities.  There are 3 O.T. heroes with no special abilities in the starter decks - all in the same brigade.  Two of those are very well-known Bible characters.  But not having special abilities might actually be seen as a benefit in that theme.  The second good theme in that deck is a secret.

Oh, and there are more than 100 cards being printed this year. 

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« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2013, 07:51:12 PM »
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I made a thread about this last year and here's all the confirmed info that came up during that (accurate as of each posting, which was almost a year ago, lol):

The next Redemption release by Cactus Games will be a starter deck.

That starter deck will contain each of the brigades that were not used on a card in the 2011 release.

The Dominants used and character counts will not be exactly the same as we've used in the past starters.

One old Dominant is probably going to receive a new ability.

If nothing changes between now and the final draft, there are 19 enhancements and 19 characters being reprinted into the appropriate brigade for their theme, most with new abilities.

Quote from: Browa's Source
Rob wanted some super well-known heroes in the starters this year.  Players have already guessed Peter and Andrew, and there are a couple more VERY well-known heroes from that theme in that deck.  Those are the only human heroes in that deck.  :)

Since we wanted the starter decks to be very simple, we have included some characters in each deck that do not have special abilities.  There are 3 O.T. heroes with no special abilities in the starter decks - all in the same brigade.  Two of those are very well-known Bible characters.  But not having special abilities might actually be seen as a benefit in that theme.  The second good theme in that deck is a secret.

Oh, and there are more than 100 cards being printed this year. 
This post confirms and nearly confirms so many things it's crazy. Demons, Disciples, and Silver confirmed. Ruth seems likely. And the only offense that benefits from no special ability right now is Judges. So, there's your offense. Gray had no cards from the 2011 set, but that could mean Pharisees, Romans, or Syrians.

Also, if the decks are going to be different dominants than used in past starters, I'd love to see a Falling Away reprint. Unless the "exactly the same" is undone by the old dominant with a new ability.

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« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2013, 07:56:04 PM »
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There were almost confirmed rumors that the gray will be Romans, though I didn't put that in my previous post because it wasn't 100% confirmed.
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« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2013, 08:44:23 PM »
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Wasn't there some talk about the new Dom being an SoG reprint?
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« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2013, 08:59:31 PM »
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Believe so, anyone remember what the reprinted text was?
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« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2013, 07:55:07 AM »
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A new James would be nice. I would like to play an awesome version of the disciple I was named after! :)
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« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2013, 12:48:19 PM »
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This post confirms and nearly confirms so many things it's crazy. Demons, Disciples, and Silver confirmed. Ruth seems likely. And the only offense that benefits from no special ability right now is Judges. So, there's your offense. Gray had no cards from the 2011 set, but that could mean Pharisees, Romans, or Syrians.

NT offense:  Disciples/Silver
James
John
Peter
Andrew (the disciples come in pairs, and these are the "pairs" of these 4.  Peter and John will be Green/Purple and Andrew will be purple.  I expect James to have a better ability than just a plain-vanilla band.  Andrew will band to Peter.)
Silver (not sure what these would be.  But NT for sure.  Maybe Revelations, and John could have a Revelations reference too.)
No TGT White help.  Even though White was not in Tins 20-25, OT White needs way more help.

OT offense:  Ruth/Musicians/Judges or Priests
Ruth, because of Gabe's hint.  Gold brigade.  Reprints of Ruth, Boaz, Naomi.
Musicians, because there was no white in Tins 20-25, and Musicians fit better with Ruth/Judges/Priests than Daniel heroes.  Reprints of Deborah and Barak.
Judges or Priests (based on the "no special ability" hint.  Helps either Sam's Edict or Windows of Narrow Light.  Also, Teal only got Ezekiel and Cherubim as support cards in Tins 20-25)
Daniel heroes - only if Persians are an opposing defense

NT defense:  Orange/Gray or Orange/Crimson?
Orange (not in Tins 20-25, a natural opposition to Disciples and Angels)
Emperors (not in Tins 20-25, needs help)
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Orange (not in Tins 20-25)
Crimson (there is much room to expand Heretics, plus Syrians need help as well, so maybe Gray will be avoided as an NT defense)

OT defense:  Gray (Syrians), Black (Canaanites), maybe Persians
Syrians (because they need so much help and have been ignored for 3 straight expansions.  Plus there was some Syrian presence in Judges - King Cushan-Rishathaim or however you spell his name was one of the oppressors that the Judges rescued Israel from.)
Canaanites (because they were the primary thorn in Israel's side during the time of Judges/Ruth, plus they are in need of more cards)
Persians (would only expect this if my prediction of "no White Daniel" is wrong.  But Persians need much help, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them.)
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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2013, 01:50:43 PM »
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I think we have enough Disciples. We need to expand the themes that are too weak to stand alone. Magicians are versatile enough because of their dual-brigade format. We need more Deacons, Musicians, Persians, Greeks and Heretics. We could probably use more Canaanites, too.

I disagree with part of this. Focus on bringing more themes up to a high tier level, but Deacons would essentially be creating a whole new theme, and Musicians, Persians, and (to a lesser extent) Greeks and Heretics don't really have much going for them right now. It's easier to balance out themes that are just a little ways from becoming tournament-worthy themes (for instance, Disciples) than it is to give a more-or-less barely-existing theme ten new cards to use. I would rather see A and B tier themes get a handful of new cards (and give weak themes a building block boost) than see weak themes get a ton of cards.

Believe so, anyone remember what the reprinted text was?

I believe it was "Negate and Rescue a Lost Soul."

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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2013, 06:41:33 PM »
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I would rather see A and B tier themes get a handful of new cards (and give weak themes a building block boost) than see weak themes get a ton of cards.

However, you don't have to deal with 20 young players that all want their own unique theme, for no other reason than to be different than the others in the group.  ;)
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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2013, 11:30:52 AM »
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I would say the NT defense will have Romans, due to the NT offense could be Disciples. I also say that we could get a reprint of Andel of Deliverance and similiar angels that had contact with Disciples.


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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2013, 10:37:53 PM »
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I want a Harvest Time that gets around protection and works even when your opponent has Lost Souls out. Then I (and everyone else) would play it again. ::)
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Re: Possibilities in the New Starter
« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2013, 04:17:33 PM »
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Sorry I haven't kept the main pot up to date with all the info. Thanks for all the input everybody, I haven't been able to get on the boards for a few weeks. Keep the thoughts coming and as soon as I get time I will post it all on the main page.  :D

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