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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => Topic started by: Red on September 02, 2013, 02:02:36 AM
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Do you judge people based on the condition of a persons cards.
How do you shuffle.
Do you believe a light riffle shuffle damages cards.
Define bad condition.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
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No. Although I may recommend sleeves to them.
I use pile shuffle and a one where you slide cards into each other.
I don't remember, which is riffle shuffle? But I'm guessing it won't seriously damage cards in sleeves, and I try to avoid playing without sleeves for reasons that would be obvious if you saw my Yu-Gi-Oh! deck or the cards that were in my old Redemption decks.
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1. In general, I don't judge based on damaged cards. I now I have a ton of damaged cards myself. :P
2. I've been doing what I like to all the "OCD shuffle." I start off with pile shuffling the cards, then I take two stacks of cards each and riffle shuffle them (from the sides), and then take the two bigger piles and riffle shuffle them. I do this so my decks can be thoroughly shuffled.
3. It depends. When I played Sealed at EC Regionals (I believe it was when I played you, Red), I riffle shuffled from the top side of the cards. Some thing happened to one of the cards and the top corner is now slightly bent. (It's my I deck Christian Martyr.)
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Do you judge people based on the condition of a persons cards.
How do you shuffle.
Do you believe a light riffle shuffle damages cards.
1. Yes. I judge that I don't want them shuffling my cards.
2. I do piles until there are 4 piles left. I meld* (not sure how to describe it) the 2 piles from the side, and then I meld the other 2 piles. Finally, I meld both halves of the deck together. Once I have the full deck, I pull roughly 25% of the deck and repeat the above pattern 3 or 4 times.
* Melding: I hold one half super loosely and then add in the other half of deck similar to the "Weave shuffle" but I don't hold them as tight as the youtube video demonstrates to avoid damaging the sides of the cards.
EDIT: Upon further investigation on Youtube shuffling: After piles, I tend to do a loose (to avoid damage) version of the "Overhand shuffle."
3. Yes. I believe riffle shuffling of any type damages cards ("light" is a subjective term anyway). I avoid doing any riffle shuffling with any of my cards.
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Yes.
I wash shuffle.
Usually.
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If their cards are not pristine, they are a terrible person.
56 card pickup.
I need a heavy-duty riffle to shuffle all of my defense properly.
This post brought to you by that guy who only plays online.
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I've only ever judged one person by their cards, and it was just one more symptom of the overall judgment so it wasn't specifically the cards.
I do NOT bridge shuffle (that's what I've always heard it called) any trading cards due to the likelihood of bending. I also dislike when my opponent choose to shuffle my deck (I don't think that should be allowed in the rules) so I usually request that they don't bridge shuffle.
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I don't get what's so bad about an opponent shuffling your deck, especially since you can clarify that you don't want something to be riffled or whatever. It's not like Redemption cards have any real value.
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It's not like Redemption cards have any real value.
$275 top bid right now.
;)
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If they call me to their table with a ruling questions I must oblige.
I do the Curly Shuffle.
Riffle?!? I know a Ruffle shuffle gets a lot of salt and oil on the cards.
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Added a additional question.
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My reasoning behind other people shuffling is that I don't like people touching my things. >_< I'm a bit of a germophobe and paranoid so I freak out randomly, lol.
My definition of "bad condition" is if the cards meet any of the following criteria:
-Creases/bend marks/cracks/scratches
-Stains
-Fading (as though left in the sun, not old age fading)
-Other marks not on the card from printing
Exceptions to the above:
-Cracks/creases from printing or from the packaging (obviously the buyer couldn't help that)
-Artist/creator/Elder/other signatures (I don't consider them higher value but I don't devalue them either)
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It's not like Redemption cards have any real value.
$275 top bid right now.
;)
You aren't really suggesting that Redemption decks have significant value behind them are you?
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It's not like Redemption cards have any real value.
$275 top bid right now.
;)
A playset (3 cards) from my Side Deck in another CCG has more value than that right now. ::)
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Define bad condition.
Something that is a seriously damaged card. I refuse to play my copy of FOOF Swift Horses because the card is so seriously damaged, you can tell what the card is in an opaque backed sleeve.
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You aren't really suggesting that Redemption decks have significant value behind them are you?
Not all value is monetary.
So there.
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You aren't really suggesting that Redemption decks have significant value behind them are you?
Not all value is monetary.
So there.
Fair enough. But let's not pretend like my Redemption cards are an investment like other card games are. If my Redemption cards get bent, virtually nothing happens because I could never get anything of any significant value for them anyway. If some of my pokemon cards got bent, I just lost 20 dollars per card x4 per deck, etc. And that's not even broaching Magic or Yu-gi-oh. Redemption is incredibly cheap and no one is trying to make money/invest in Redemption cards.
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Redemption is incredibly cheap and no one is trying to make money/invest in Redemption cards.
And I am incredibly thankful that this is true. Rob is an extremely generous guy, and I appreciate his priorities in making this game accessible to all of us. I know I wouldn't be able to play top level decks in any of the big 3 CCGs.
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Redemption is incredibly cheap and no one is trying to make money/invest in Redemption cards.
And I am incredibly thankful that this is true. Rob is an extremely generous guy, and I appreciate his priorities in making this game accessible to all of us. I know I wouldn't be able to play top level decks in any of the big 3 CCGs.
If the meta changed more often, I would be angry about it. But considering I could have played the same deck for the last 5-10 years with minimal updating, I'm ok with it I guess.
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It's worth noting that the majority of playable decks in Pokemon are roughly the same price as Redemption decks. The only one right now that really isn't is one that requires at least two (preferably three) of a $100 card.
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It's worth noting that the majority of playable decks in Pokemon are roughly the same price as Redemption decks. The only one right now that really isn't is one that requires at least two (preferably three) of a $100 card.
I don't know about that. I wouldn't spend more than 100 bucks on a Redemption deck, but I could easy spend 200 dollars on a mid tier.
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It's worth noting that the majority of playable decks in Pokemon are roughly the same price as Redemption decks. The only one right now that really isn't is one that requires at least two (preferably three) of a $100 card.
That said, there are also varied rarities of the same card to give it value. While you can spend $0.50 on a Professor Juniper, I sold a full art version for $40. So while you can build a deck for a similar price, that's not to say that Pokemon cards don't have value.
It's worth noting that the majority of playable decks in Pokemon are roughly the same price as Redemption decks. The only one right now that really isn't is one that requires at least two (preferably three) of a $100 card.
I don't know about that. I wouldn't spend more than 100 bucks on a Redemption deck, but I could easy spend 200 dollars on a mid tier.
That's mainly due to prize support. I would never spend over $100 on a deck, but I am much more likely to travel to Indiana for Pokemon than I would be for Redemption.
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Do you judge people based on the condition of a persons cards.
Not at all. Their card condition means very minimal to me unless I am trading with them. I however, DO NOT like when people just grab my deck and start shuffling all crazy. I don't mind them shuffling, when someone grabs it and just does their own thing not worrying about my cards it bothers me.
How do you shuffle.
3x 5 card pile than shuffle like a deck of cards.
Do you believe a light riffle shuffle damages cards.
Depends on how you do the riffle, if I'm even thinking correctly of what a riffle means.
Define bad condition.
Pulled from Star City games.
Near Mint/Mint (NM/M)
Cards in Near Mint/Mint condition show minimal to no wear from shuffling or general play. A card graded in Near Mint/Mint condition is generally indistinguishable from cards in an unsleeved deck of other Near Mint/Mint cards. Foils in this category have little or no scuffing or clouding on the front.
Slightly Played (SP)
Cards in Slightly Played condition show definite, minor wear. Examples of cards in this grade include cards with minor border wear, minor corner wear, very minor binder bending, slight scratching, clouding, or scuffing/loss of sheen on the front due to play wear. Cards signed by the card's artist or Richard Garfield, or bearing a pro tour stamp, are graded as Slightly Played condition, if they would otherwise be Near Mint or Slightly Played. Foils in this condition will generally have some clouding or wear on the front of the card. Sleeves may or may not be needed to play these cards in a tournament. Non-Card items classified as "Slightly Played" will show definite minor wear from normal use of the item.
Moderately Played (MP)
Cards in Moderately Played condition show moderate wear, but are still legal for tournament play if sleeved. Examples of cards in this grade include cards with moderate binder creasing, moderate corner wear, moderate border wear, whitening on the back or front face of the card, slight inking along the back borders, moderate scratching or clouding, minor water damage, or slight (hairline) shuffle creasing.
Heavily Played (HP)
Cards in Heavily Played condition show extreme wear, and may not be legal for tournament play, even in a sleeve. We do not sell cards in this condition on our website! We do occasionally sell Heavily Played cards in-person at events, where the buyer can see the exact amount of damage to the card before purchase. Heavily Played cards include cards that have writing on the back, major creasing, folding, major water damage, moderate to major whitening, major border wear, moderate to major inking (including white-bordered cards that are markered on front to look black-bordered), tearing, chunks missing out of the card, cards that have been run over by a car, foil cards with major "silver" edging showing, cards that have been run through a washing machine, etc. In short, Heavily Played cards are any cards that grade worse than Moderately Played.
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No. However, I really prefer no one touch my deck other than to cut. Even light shuffling can damage sleeves which can be as annoying as damaging cards if I don't have many spare sleeves.
I do piles. Then combine piles by overhand shuffling the piles together. If it's a T1 deck, I'll overhand shuffle the whole thing (as well as anytime I shuffle the deck during the game). If it's a T2 deck I do the same but just overhand shuffle about a third of the deck at a time, combine the stacks and then do several random cuts.
The only time I riffle shuffle is booster draft, and it's a light riffle with no bridge.
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Unfortunatly your opponent is allowed to shuffle your deck.
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I personally don't mind an opponent touching my cards if they ask and are respectful of my cards. Many players just grab fewer seem to be unconcerned with the condition of cards but when you get one who doesn't care and just grabs it gets under my skin a little bit.
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I personally don't mind an opponent touching my cards if they ask and are respectful of my cards. Many players just grab fewer seem to be unconcerned with the condition of cards but when you get one who doesn't care and just grabs it gets under my skin a little bit.
That's pretty much my opinion as well. I'm paranoid of the people that don't care which makes me inclined to not trust anyone. It's sad and I'm trying to fix it.
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Do you judge people based on the condition of a persons cards.
Nope, I was one of those people who's cards look like they had been abused, and they HAD. Things that get used get wear and tear, especially people who are younger and may not have sleeves but still play will see that.
How do you shuffle.
X Pile shuffle. X = Number of lost souls in my deck, so usually 9.
Do you believe a light riffle shuffle damages cards.
It can.
Define bad condition.
Something I don't usually take into consideration too much
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I personally don't mind an opponent touching my cards if they ask and are respectful of my cards. Many players just grab fewer seem to be unconcerned with the condition of cards but when you get one who doesn't care and just grabs it gets under my skin a little bit.
That's pretty much my opinion as well. I'm paranoid of the people that don't care which makes me inclined to not trust anyone. It's sad and I'm trying to fix it.
I don't think it needs fixed, it's just a part of your feelings. Jesus wasn't always happy with everything people did. For me it's not as much about the cards as it is about the respect factor. Obviously I'm not gonna be mad at an RLK for something like this but I may ask them to be more careful.
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Yea there was someone whom I riffle shuffled thier deck at NATS and they didnt like it too well...srry Brad I didnt know.
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I like to keep a pleasant deck,
But with my dad, all goes to heck.
He'll mangle, bend, and nearly fold
each single card he has to hold.
I cringe but always hold my tongue,
'cause in the end, no damage done.
It's just a game, it's only paper,
No need to let it be a caper.
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I like to keep a pleasant deck,
But with my dad, all goes to heck.
He'll mangle, bend, and nearly fold
each single card he has to hold.
I cringe but always hold my tongue,
'cause in the end, no damage done.
It's just a game, it's only paper,
No need to let it be a caper.
In the words of Gomer Pyle, "I've never heard anything so well said in all my put-togethers!"