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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => Topic started by: STAMP on July 13, 2009, 10:59:30 AM
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I saw Prof's post so I thought I'd see just how many players have lost a Redemption game in the first 3 turns or the first 5 minutes.
The LIST:
RTSmaniac (made his opponent cry)
Ryan Wellock (completely quit the game afterwards)
STAMP
Prof Underwood
BrianGabe
metalpsalm
LukeSnyder
New Raven BR
EmJayBee8
RED
everyone who has ever played
we all
Isildur
Master KChief
Kevin Shride's victim
lightningninja
who hasn't?
NOT uthminister (but it has been close)
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You can add me to the list. Out of around 1000 games it's probably happened to me about 5 times. Both of those are estimates obviously.
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Jeff Lemmon, the one and only metalpsalm
every other time, it's one card that accidentally stands between me and oblivion!
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Even playing decks with lots of defense, it still happens occasionally. I remember it happening the first round at MD states a while ago. Lost 5-0 in three turns, to my little brother, no less :P
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I'm pretty sure most everyone who has played the game long enough has. I don't see what this thread is trying to prove.
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I beat some guy 7-0 in type 2. We were done before any other type 1 game. Poor guy sorry about that.
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go ahead and add me to
quit frankly i don't think anybody should win within the first 5 turns or 3 in this case
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Every year I've been at Nationals, it seems to happen at least once in the opening round. After that, I can't really say since I'm playing T2 by then.
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go ahead and add me to
quit frankly i don't think anybody should win within the first 5 turns or 3 in this case
and it's our job to stop them! Really, if it happens to BrianGabe, not sure what hope I have. Mybrother can build a deck, now!
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Add me to the list.
It happened to me most recently at IA state tournament where Gabe was up 3-0 before I drew one of the fifteen ECs in my deck. Fortunately, Gabe had managed to draw SoG/NJ real early so the fourth and fifth rescued LS followed immediately on the heels of the first three and my pain was quickly ended.
Just to be clear, I'm not blaming the bad draw for the loss, merely the speed of the loss. Since we were done in like three minutes, we played a second (unofficial) game and Gabe beat me like a drum once again--although he decked out the second time (meaning we played at least four turns ;) ), and I think I got to play SoG defensively for one.
I also managed to lose to my son 7-0 in T2-2P in like five minutes at IA states. His initial draw included a rampaging TSA and site access, while my draw included five lost souls. :'(
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add me too.
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I'm pretty sure we all are on this list.
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I'm pretty sure we all are on this list.
and i'm pretty sure this'll become a petition asking rob to change the ruling :rollin:
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New Raven, your last post was very funny. I mean literally lol.
Just thought you would like to know.
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I'm pretty sure we all are on this list.
and i'm pretty sure this'll become a petition asking rob to change the ruling :rollin:
Oh, leave Rob alone, everyone!
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New Raven, your last post was very funny. I mean literally lol.
Just thought you would like to know.
why thank you emjay!
i appritiate your comment
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First 3 turns I think ive only had happen like 3 times but first 5 minutes that can be a long list of games :P
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Doesn't every Type 1 game end in about 5 minutes?
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First 3 turns I think ive only had happen like 3 times but first 5 minutes that can be a long list of games
so ya lost 3 games in 15 minutes?
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this has happened to me in 75% of the games i have played.
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Many times T1 games are decided in the first five minutes even if they don't finish in five minutes...
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I understand the point of this thread. I really do. But just because it's happened to all of us at one time or another doesn't mean it's broken.
Consider this: At a Nationals one year, I was playing the Monstrosity, a Type I 154-card deck. I forget who I was playing, but I got a great first draw. I drew a soul to defend, King David, Guardian of Your Souls, Angel of the Lord, Lahmi, and Ishbibenob. My opponent also drew a soul and I won the right to go first. I rescued with King David and, as I found out at the end of the game, my opponent only had Nero and another royalty to block, so I won the soul. On his turn, he made a rescue with Strong Angel, but I blocked with Lahmi and had an enhancement to play on him, so I won that battle. I won that game in five straight turns, because even though he had 2 evil characters, he couldn't block me until the final battle, which I use Angel of the Lord to win. He also was unable to get past my Lahmi-Ishbibenob band early. He had also drawn Falling Away in his first 8, which did no good against my Guardian.
What rule change would have helped him win? We both drew lost souls, and the game was still over in minutes, 5-0.
Kevin Shride
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I rescued with King David and, as I found out at the end of the game, my opponent only had Nero and another royalty to block. What rule change would have helped him win?
The first change that I could think of in that case is to stop making pre-block ignore cards and make cards to totally nerf that strategy. Pre-block ignore is why your game you described wasn't any fun, and it is why many other games aren't much fun either. It is the strategy that is most likely to cause people to quit playing Redemption, and should be destroyed.
Just wait until I stop holding back and let you know what I really think about pre-block ignore :)
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The first change that I could think of in that case is to stop making pre-block ignore cards and make cards to totally nerf that strategy.
With the exception of The Garden Tomb and Journey to Egypt (for Egyptians), they already have cards that completely nerf pre-block ignore, Priestly Breastplate being the prime examplar. I'm not sure how you can get any nerfier than "Negate all ignore and repel abilities on Characters and Enhancements." It doesn't even eat up an artifact slot.
All that and yet how many decks have you seen with Priestly Breastplate in it? Does your main deck have Priestly Breastplate in it? The fact that most people won't play the counters available argues that they don't feel pre-block ignore is a real problem.
I do, however, agree that TGT's ignore is slightly op, but it was purposely made that way to force players to abandon splash defenses.
Just wait until I stop holding back and let you know what I really think about pre-block ignore :)
It sounds like someone has a bad case of PIDS (Pre-block Ignore Derangement Syndrome). ;)
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It sounds like someone has a bad case of PIDS (Pre-block Ignore Derangement Syndrome). ;)
I Googled for info on PIDS and couldn't find anything. Is it fatal?
;)
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It sounds like someone has a bad case of PIDS (Pre-block Ignore Derangement Syndrome). ;)
I Googled for info on PIDS and couldn't find anything. Is it fatal?
;)
We'll have to keep an eye on Prof Underwood to find out. ;)
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It sounds like someone has a bad case of PIDS (Pre-block Ignore Derangement Syndrome). ;)
I Googled for info on PIDS and couldn't find anything. Is it fatal? ;)
We'll have to keep an eye on Prof Underwood to find out. ;)
I don't think there are any [twitch] long-term affects. Hey what is this rash?
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SQUIRREL!!!
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Yep, me too. Of course, who hasn't?
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the strong angel ftw
i made a guy cry in type 1 tsa first 5 turns
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the strong angel ftw
i made a guy cry in type 1 tsa first 5 turns
Oooh, I'll put you at the top of the list!
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I have never lost in the first three turns or the first five minutes...but it has been close!
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Hey,
Odds are that at some point in the last twelve years I lost a game in three turns, but I don't remember the loss. It almost happened to me at Iowa State this year, I fulfilled my end of the bargain (giving up three lost souls in the first three turns) but Gabe dropped the ball (didn't have has Son of God and New Jerusalem yet). He eventually won but it took more than five minutes and ended up with a fairly respectable score. I'm pretty sure my last 5-0 loss was in the ninth round of nationals in 2005.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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I could have sworn you got an RLK beating at Nationals last year. Oh well. I guess it was just an assumption. :P
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I've never lost that quickly. But even if I had, does that mean there's a problem with the game? No. I once lost a Chess game in 2 turns, but I don't see that game having rule-change arguments.
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I've never lost that quickly. But even if I had, does that mean there's a problem with the game? No. I once lost a Chess game in 2 turns, but I don't see that game having rule-change arguments.
How did you manage that?
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It's known as "Fool's Checkmate (http://www.chess.com/article/view/2-move-checkmate)"... and it happened to me in the first chess tournament I ever played in.
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I've definitely lost my fair share of games in less than 3 turns or 5 minutes. The ones that come to mind are when I played Chad Soderstrom at nationals in New York and when I played Eric Wolfe at NV State.
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It's known as "Fool's Checkmate (http://www.chess.com/article/view/2-move-checkmate)"... and it happened to me in the first chess tournament I ever played in.
Wow
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Well, the difference is fairly obvious, there's no random element in chess. If you lose, its always your fault. In Redemption, chance plays a large enough factor in the game that it can completely make or break games.
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That's the point of playing a card game isn't it?
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Yes it is :D I love how every game is different, even if both players are playing the same deck multiple times.
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Hey,
I could have sworn you got an RLK beating at Nationals last year. Oh well. I guess it was just an assumption. :P
I got three beatings from random former national champions...
I did get beat by a RLK but it wasn't so much of a beating as it was a reminder that I need to be more careful with my access sites :)
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Does RLK mean Redemption Little Kid??? :P
And what card does TGT stand for?
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RLK = Random Little Kid
TGT = The Garden Tomb
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh ok ;D I guess i'm classified as a RLK then :laugh: :angel:
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I see RLK loses as a good humbling experience (that and just playing down south where last time I only won one game with a deck that I thought would do good :P).