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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => Topic started by: SomeKittens on September 15, 2011, 12:05:07 AM
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King David (P)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 11 / 11 • Class: None • Special Ability: May not be blocked by any member of any royal family. • Play As: King David ignores all members of a royal family. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, King & Musician (Israel), Royalty, Prophet, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: I Samuel 17:37 • Availability: Promotional cards (2001 Solomon's Temple Game)
Does King David ignore himself, as he is a member of a royal family?
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I don't think you can ignore yourself...
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Plz note I was asking can I ignore Characters that I am banded too.
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With that play as he does >.< But it is after all the REG ::)
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He can go out with then, he just cannot be blocked by one.
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The thing is what does that look like? His ability doesn't activate until he enters battle, so then what?
1. He cannot ignore himself, no issue.
2. He can ignore himself, but would he still rescue the ls? The evil character isn't losing... but also King David is being ignored... by himself...
I don't even know how 2 would work. So then would you get endless initiative with a purple hero? Because that'd be cool (assuming the new ignore rule changes doesn't go into effect). So I'd go with 1. Makes more sense.
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King David (P)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 11 / 11 • Class: None • Special Ability: May not be blocked by any member of any royal family. • Play As: King David ignores all members of a royal family. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, King & Musician (Israel), Royalty, Prophet, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: I Samuel 17:37 • Availability: Promotional cards (2001 Solomon's Temple Game)
Does King David ignore himself, as he is a member of a royal family?
He just cannot be blocked by one
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Well the confusion is the play-as, not the ability. But yes, I would agree that since it is not an errata, and it's confusing, ignore the play-as. Like Jacob's. ::)
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The "may not be blocked by" is another way of saying "ignores" however, the "blocked by" phrase also implies that the characters that are ignored are only Evil Characters, not King David himself or other Hero royalty, since Heroes do not block Heroes. (If a royal Hero was converted to an EC, then it would be ignored by King David.)
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"May not be blocked by" is an ignore ability, so the play as is actually correct.
We just need someone to clarify what happens when someone is trying to ignore their self (or someone on the same side of battle as them).
*instaposted*
The "may not be blocked by" is another way of saying "ignores" however, the "blocked by" phrase also implies that the characters that are ignored are only Evil Characters, not King David himself or other Hero royalty, since Heroes do not block Heroes. (If a royal Hero was converted to an EC, then it would be ignored by King David.)
Does this mean that KD's ability should be treated as: "King David ignores all evil members of a royal family." ?
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I don't see this being an issue for the most part, ignore just means that that character acts as if the other were never in battle which doesn't matter because the heroes are not targeting each other for anything.
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I don't see this being an issue for the most part, ignore just means that that character acts as if the other were never in battle which doesn't matter because the heroes are not targeting each other for anything.
It could mean that a gathered King David can't band to any royal family heroes. That's something, isn't it?
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Does this mean that KD's ability should be treated as: "King David ignores all evil members of a royal family." ?
Yes, we are also discussing making a general rule that cards cannot ignore cards of their own alignment. Therefore King David would not ignore other Royal Heroes, but Household Idols would still ignore Heroes with a banding ability.
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1. He cannot ignore himself, no issue.
I've never heard this from an elder. Did I miss something?
2. He can ignore himself, but would he still rescue the ls? The evil character isn't losing... but also King David is being ignored... by himself...
This is what the play-as (which is actually correct) seems to say.
I don't even know how 2 would work. So then would you get endless initiative with a purple hero? Because that'd be cool (assuming the new ignore rule changes doesn't go into effect). So I'd go with 1. Makes more sense.
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Fun fact: King David's ignore was my first attempt to get Combo Combo Combo Combo Combo Africa working. Eventually Ring Wraith suggested Eleazar's Sword and Ittai, which later evolved to Fallen Warrior and Eleazar's Sword.
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1. He cannot ignore himself, no issue.
I've never heard this from an elder. Did I miss something?
2. He can ignore himself, but would he still rescue the ls? The evil character isn't losing... but also King David is being ignored... by himself...
This is what the play-as (which is actually correct) seems to say.
I don't even know how 2 would work. So then would you get endless initiative with a purple hero? Because that'd be cool (assuming the new ignore rule changes doesn't go into effect). So I'd go with 1. Makes more sense.
I should have clarified. Those are my two options, not two true statements. I was saying I think 1 is true, apparently I'm wrong. Which means I'm back to being very curious as to how 2 will play out...
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Does this mean that KD's ability should be treated as: "King David ignores all evil members of a royal family." ?
Yes, we are also discussing making a general rule that cards cannot ignore cards of their own alignment. Therefore King David would not ignore other Royal Heroes, but Household Idols would still ignore Heroes with a banding ability.
Boo. I'll just ignore the rule.
;)
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Does this mean that KD's ability should be treated as: "King David ignores all evil members of a royal family." ?
Yes, we are also discussing making a general rule that cards cannot ignore cards of their own alignment. Therefore King David would not ignore other Royal Heroes, but Household Idols would still ignore Heroes with a banding ability.
Boo. I'll just ignore the rule.
;)
Oooh if your gonna ignore that rule, you should ignore the rules about ANB too! ;) Then go abuse somem n00bs.
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The question is asking does Ignore mean Heroes banded into Battle if a Character ignores something (example, If KD bands to Prince Jonathan, does he Ignore and kick Johnathan out because he ignores Royals or not?)
Also, if we really wanted to ignore rules FTW just ignore the 1 battle per game limit and Initiative and Hand Limits.
Watch out here I come breakin' all the rules! Lol
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The question is asking does Ignore mean Heroes banded into Battle if a Character ignores something (example, If KD bands to Prince Jonathan, does he Ignore and kick Johnathan out because he ignores Royals or not?)
Also, if we really wanted to ignore rules FTW just ignore the 1 battle per game limit and Initiative and Hand Limits.
Watch out here I come breakin' all the rules! Lol
Actually, no, that's not my question at all. Quit trying to hijack my thread. Guardian has made a ruling, so that's how it goes.