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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => Topic started by: Xonathan on April 19, 2018, 01:38:48 PM
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What's is your favorite or list of favorite cards? What cards did you immediate what to add to your existing decks? One last question, What cards are you worried about facing now?
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Top three favorite cards in this set:
1) Wages of Sin (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/The-Wages-of-Sin.png)
2) Lamenting in the Mountains (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lamenting-in-the-Mountains.png)
3) Baal Worship (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Baal-Worship.png)
I'm a little worried about Egyptians and Jehu decks now to be honest. I'm going to either run deck and hand protection or tons of recursion for all my decks this season, or at least until I'm sure those won't be meta this year. Other than that, not too much concerns me yet. FoM is a little scary, but not that bad.
I also just wanted to say that I really love all the Ultra Rares this year. They may not be super expensive, super rare chase cards like past years, but they can work in basically any deck, and all have unique abilities that we haven't seen before.
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I am looking forward to playing and dreading facing ANB.
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Top three favorite cards in this set:
1) Wages of Sin (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/The-Wages-of-Sin.png)
2) Lamenting in the Mountains (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lamenting-in-the-Mountains.png)
3) Baal Worship (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Baal-Worship.png)
Why do you like Lamenting? Do you use baal worship outside of battle more or do you find it more handy in battle?
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I am looking forward to playing and dreading facing ANB.
I'm curious to experience facing someone using ANB while I'm also using ANB. I wonder if its better to play it first or last.
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Tables of the Law, awesome art and able to be protected by Glory
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Tables of the Law, awesome art and able to be protected by Glory
I worry about R&D now but I wonder if it'll be Meta to run it
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Why do you like Lamenting? Do you use baal worship outside of battle more or do you find it more handy in battle?
Lamenting is unbelievably powerful when played by any male, but especially if it's cbn. (which isn't that hard to do) set aside is super underrated as an ability imo. Yeah, it's not permanent, but there is no way to get them out of set aside once they are there. Plus, almost no one has set aside protection! with any other battle winner, with the exception of banish abilities, there is a chance your opponent can search them back out of deck or discard, release them, or just go int battle again next turn.
I'm not sure if baal worship will be any good, but it seems really good in concept. I'm not sure i'd play it in battle, but I'd probably save it if i really needed a negate.
Edit: lamenting may not be amazing in other decks, but in my ruth deck, it's a must have.
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Why do you like Lamenting? Do you use baal worship outside of battle more or do you find it more handy in battle?
Lamenting is unbelievably powerful when played by any male, but especially if it's cbn. (which isn't that hard to do) set aside is super underrated as an ability imo. Yeah, it's not permanent, but there is no way to get them out of set aside once they are there. Plus, almost no one has set aside protection! with any other battle winner, with the exception of banish abilities, there is a chance your opponent can search them back out of deck or discard, release them, or just go int battle again next turn.
I'm not sure if baal worship will be any good, but it seems really good in concept. I'm not sure i'd play it in battle, but I'd probably save it if i really needed a negate.
Edit: lamenting may not be amazing in other decks, but in my ruth deck, it's a must have.
Wouldn't you have to set aside your own Ruth or Naomi though? Why do you like it in your ruth deck?
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Why do you like Lamenting? Do you use baal worship outside of battle more or do you find it more handy in battle?
Lamenting is unbelievably powerful when played by any male, but especially if it's cbn. (which isn't that hard to do) set aside is super underrated as an ability imo. Yeah, it's not permanent, but there is no way to get them out of set aside once they are there. Plus, almost no one has set aside protection! with any other battle winner, with the exception of banish abilities, there is a chance your opponent can search them back out of deck or discard, release them, or just go int battle again next turn.
I'm not sure if baal worship will be any good, but it seems really good in concept. I'm not sure i'd play it in battle, but I'd probably save it if i really needed a negate.
Edit: lamenting may not be amazing in other decks, but in my ruth deck, it's a must have.
Wouldn't you have to set aside your own ruth or Naomi though? Why do you like it in your ruth deck?
I'm running Justin, Jephthah, boaz, elders, and ibzan in it, plus with a ruth deck, you can easily recur it. you can use it on ruth/naomi/TWwC if you have to, but it's more for the males in the deck.
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I just realized that Angel with a secret name can make it cbn too... That is pretty strong.
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I just realized that Angel with a secret name can make it cbn too... That is pretty strong.
Yeah, probably won't run him though, just because of the unity qualifier on Death of Family. (Unity: ot human heroes) Had to take out TAotW too. :(
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I'd have to go check, but I think the Unity on Death of Family is that all the Human Heroes have to be O.T., not that all Heroes have to be O.T. humans.
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I'd have to go check, but I think the Unity on Death of Family is that all the Human Heroes have to be O.T., not that all Heroes have to be O.T. humans.
The plot thickens...
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I'd have to go check, but I think the Unity on Death of Family is that all the Human Heroes have to be O.T., not that all Heroes have to be O.T. humans.
Quote from the card: Good Enhancement has Unity: Human Heroes (OT)
Does that not mean you must have all human heroes, and all human heroes must be ot?
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Justin definitely disrupts the Unity though...
I'd have to go check, but I think the Unity on Death of Family is that all the Human Heroes have to be O.T., not that all Heroes have to be O.T. humans.
Quote from the card: Good Enhancement has Unity: Human Heroes (OT)
Does that not mean you must have all human heroes, and all human heroes must be ot?
No, that means all your human heroes must be OT. You could have Revelation Angels with one OT human Hero and it would work.
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I'd have to go check, but I think the Unity on Death of Family is that all the Human Heroes have to be O.T., not that all Heroes have to be O.T. humans.
Quote from the card: Good Enhancement has Unity: Human Heroes (OT)
Does that not mean you must have all human heroes, and all human heroes must be ot?
No, it means all of your human heroes must be O.T. "Unity: X (Y)" means "all your X are Y", so it would be Unity: Heroes (O.T. Humans) to require only human heroes.
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I'd have to go check, but I think the Unity on Death of Family is that all the Human Heroes have to be O.T., not that all Heroes have to be O.T. humans.
Quote from the card: Good Enhancement has Unity: Human Heroes (OT)
Does that not mean you must have all human heroes, and all human heroes must be ot?
No, it means all of your human heroes must be O.T. "Unity: X (Y)" means "all your X are Y", so it would be Unity: Heroes (O.T. Humans) to require only human heroes.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh. Well, I'll probably run AWSN then!
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Do you use Jephthah’s daughter too?
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Yes, with Jephthah in the reserve, although he may switch to the deck with AWSN in there.
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My favorite card is Babel.
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My favorite card is Babel.
do you see yourself using the site or the fortress more?
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So here's an interesting question: FoM doesn't (IMO) have a chase card like TSC or 3W that goes in literally every deck. Of the three URs, which do you think will see the most play?
My money's on Babel, on account of just how splashable it is - easy reserve access as a site, and even if you're running an NT or nonhuman defense the fort is great. That said, Wages is insanely good in decks that run its brigades - and with Deciever, Foreign Wives, and even Firefoxes in almost every deck I could see it being thrown into reserves of decks that don't even run its colors (perhaps grabbed by Heart of Depravity). Fall of Man is also insanely strong - dominant restrictions are always powerful, and multibrigade evil battlewinners are nice. I do think that using it as a platform for the other curses is risky, considering how easy it will be to get rid of all of them at once (especially with the inevitable prevalence of R&D). In addition, most decks won't WANT all four - serpent's is only good with animals, birthing pains isn't bad but I don't think it's worth running unless you're already running grey (especially Romans). That said, I can see Cursed Ground making it into a lot of decks.
Again, my money's on Babel, but I look forward to seeing how it plays out.
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My favorite themes are judges and Canaanites from the new set. Favorite single cards would be The Wages of Sin, Othniel, Babel, Og and a few others... :P (I have many favorites)
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My favorite themes are judges and Canaanites from the new set. Favorite single cards would be The Wages of Sin, Othniel, Babel, Og and a few others... :P (I have many favorites)
I see Canaanites being really good because of Jericho (CoW) will protect you from Jehu and give you cbp since Cloud heroes will probably be more meta this year.
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My favorite card is Babel.
do you see yourself using the site or the fortress more?
Depends on whether or not my opponent has Humble :P
More to the point, it depends on the deck and when I draw it. If I draw it turn one in a Flood deck, I'll probably do the site, grab an EC, and shuffle it with Noah to pull two of his kids and find it again later. If I already have a defense (and don't need someone specific), it might depend on how vulnerable they are to prevention.
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So here's an interesting question: FoM doesn't (IMO) have a chase card like TSC or 3W that goes in literally every deck. Of the three URs, which do you think will see the most play?
My money's on Babel, on account of just how splashable it is - easy reserve access as a site, and even if you're running an NT or nonhuman defense the fort is great. That said, Wages is insanely good in decks that run its brigades - and with Deciever, Foreign Wives, and even Firefoxes in almost every deck I could see it being thrown into reserves of decks that don't even run its colors (perhaps grabbed by Heart of Depravity). Fall of Man is also insanely strong - dominant restrictions are always powerful, and multibrigade evil battlewinners are nice. I do think that using it as a platform for the other curses is risky, considering how easy it will be to get rid of all of them at once (especially with the inevitable prevalence of R&D). In addition, most decks won't WANT all four - serpent's is only good with animals, birthing pains isn't bad but I don't think it's worth running unless you're already running grey (especially Romans). That said, I can see Cursed Ground making it into a lot of decks.
Again, my money's on Babel, but I look forward to seeing how it plays out.
Babel will probably see the most play, as it's the most splashable and i see it as costing less than the others. I think that wages is still the best though.
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I would wager on Wages ;D
Of the four brigades not represented on Wages, Brown and Pale Green both have multiple playable characters that can utilize Wages so it's not hard to include it decks that are primarily those brigades.
Certain Gray and Gold themes would have to stretch a little farther to get Wages access, but it's not impossible.
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Babel will get thrown in pretty much every deck and whether it stays there will depend whether thining/city counters become meta.
Wages is just an amazing card all the time I can't think of any reason a deck with even a couple characters to play it wouldn't run it.
IMO FoM (the card) doesn't actually work in a way that will allow decks to run it unless they have a very narrow goal that requires it. It's symmetric so it's controller has to take it down to use their own battle doms and it's negatable so while there are going to be more Woes targets this season I don't think it will be much of a bother to Woes it for 1 turn to get your Martyr/Angel out.
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I'm most excited about using the awesome O.T. Red Warrior cards like The Mighty Warrior, Benaiah, Caleb, and Jonathan, Son of Shimei.
I'm most dreading Canaanite & ANB shenanigans and the brutal deck discard/mill defense :-[
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I'm most excited about using the awesome O.T. Red Warrior cards like The Mighty Warrior, Benaiah, Caleb, and Jonathan, Son of Shimei.
I'm most dreading Canaanite & ANB shenanigans and the brutal deck discard/mill defense :-[
I just thought of a t2 deck with the new red warriors and using 4x warrior spear and Egyptians to mill. Huge red band to d/c 1 to 4 cards...
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Yes definitely could work- with 2-4 ASP you could be sniping on offense all game. Also hitting stuff from territory by combo-ing with Foreign Sword :o
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This type of deck makes me shudder in remembrance of JD's Sowing Bountifully-Sinning Hand T2 deck from a few years back...absolutely no fun to play against!! ;D
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My favorite card is Babel.
do you see yourself using the site or the fortress more?
For sure the Fortress part of it.
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What are the key cards that everyone want to see babel counter? It is mainly the chump blocks like uzzah and fire foxes or are there other cards you hope to see targeted?
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What are the key cards that everyone want to see babel counter? It is mainly the chump blocks like uzzah and fire foxes or are there other cards you hope to see targeted?
Starts with an "M" and ends with a "Leader." ::)
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What are the key card that everyone want to see babel counter? It is mainly the chump blocks like uzzah and fire foxes or are there other cards you hope to see targeted?
Those are two big ones, with Music Leaders being a third. That said, I'm the type to run Moses and CwD, so something that does the same job only to my opponent is incredibleOh hi Golden Calf, didn't see you there. Doesn't stop the TC ones like others do, but full coverage prevention hits a lot of decks hard, and Sword of the Spirit and Foreign Wives see enough play that it'll find good value. A lot of initiative characters have great abilities, and this helps counter that.
Then again, Humble is a card, and is both OT and NT. Take that how you will.
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Favorite cards from the new set are:
The Player Created Cards (Especially The Leviathan) + Flood Survivor Themed Cards
Cards that I would like to add my deck in the new set:
Flood Survivor Themed Cards and The Leviathan
Cards that I don't look forward to facing:
Whatever Filth JD is preparing with Women with the Child and Wages of Sin
You gotta admit though, he usually posted those “filthy” decks online before he goes to nats. Almost nobody does that lol
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Best cards I see for t1
1. ANB (assuming it isn't nerfed) - all of the doms on all of the cards in play and another turn. Should stay the way it is and be UR but I get they don't want more chase UR doms
2. Wages of Sin - so many great cards over again that matter to winning
3. Gideon's Ephod - this card is easily splashed into a chump defense and can be auto blocks all day with Brown Crimson Outsiders
4. Prosperity soul - yay speed!
5. Life through Christ - not sure this is necessary but it is another way to some sweet heroes mostly WWC
Probably a few I will play that I missed..
Overrated cards:
1. Babel - pretty positive this card will see little play as a reliable counter in a winning strategy.. So many counter cards exist that people don't play because they are opportunity costs, why would someone play this over all of them? Assuming they are running defensive heavy red gold, throne, and flood survivors are running over them so hard by state they will have learned by nationals that defensive heavy is unreliable
2. Fall of Man - another UR I see as a sub optimal defensive strategy which isn't cbi and can be gotten rid of easily by many themes
3. Lost Anointing - feels like I'm already behind a turn to play this. I guess it can become regardless but compared to Leviathan this hardly looks like a player created card
My :2cents:
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I really like the idols in FoM. They should fit nicely in the reserve. Pretty sure I will be playing the brown/crimson outsiders in every type 1 defense I make. I also really like leviathan for a fast set up defensive wall between him and behemoth.
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My favs are
Confused Languages
Midianites Slave
Pit of Dothan
I love that the sons of Jacob are getting such a boost this year I am sooooooooooo exites 8)
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My favorite has to be The Leviathan... but mostly because of the art. I seem to have a thing for large blue sea monsters...
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I really like the "Covet" and "Prosperity" Lost Souls. They are going to be staples in a lot of my decks.
It's very exciting to have a highly playable version fo Caleb! He's such an iconic character in the Bible. I'm happy to see him represented better in the game.
Idol Worship is a card that I see making it into a lot of my defenses.
The slaves are also going to be staples a lot of the time. Many of my play test decks ran 2 of them (when they fit on offense and/or defense).
Heart of Depravity is a great "toolbox" card that I include in almost every defense.
All four player made cards are really exciting. I like how they are versatile enough to be strong in multiple deck types but not an "every deck" card. They will always make the cut when the deck style accommodates them.
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Gideon's Ephod for sure.
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I think some people are misunderstanding FoM. It’s effect sounds symmetric, but it is not. It stops both players from using AotL in battle, but only stops your opponent from using CM and FA(CoW) as you can play yours before you have to block a rescue. Not saying that FoM is for every deck, but is certainly decent as a curse (although curses are pretty easy to get rid of), and also a multicolor battle winner as an enhancement if that happens to be more relevant in any given game.
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I really think that fall of man card is very versatile and able to be used in any deck it is also good in multi the ultra rare are so splashy and I like wages of sin the best.
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I really think that fall of man card is very versatile and able to be used in any deck it is also good in multi the ultra rare are so splashy and I like wages of sin the best.
I agree. During testing if I didn’t main deck FoM I’d put it in my reserve. Even though the Curse creates parity if you use it with a little hand knowledge you can ensure a block or rescue where the opponent can’t stop you. The EE side isn’t as strong but it won me a battle at least once.
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In a playtest game I was in, I used Obedience of Noah on one of my male Flood Survivors (choosing my own EC of a brigade my opponent didn't have) and also had Japheth's Wife in my territory as an add to battle back-up in case of Martyr or Falling Away. Much to my chagrin, he used Fall of Man to convert both the Hero in battle and Japheth's Wife so I couldn't use her add to battle ability... :doh:
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there's a lot more chose the block stuff out there with this set, a multi-brigade kill cards could come in handy
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Yeah there is a lot of anti-splash stuff in this set I feel like there isn't going to be a lot of splash out there but, I love using splash anyways
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Yeah there is a lot of anti-splash stuff in this set I feel like there isn't going to be a lot of splash out there but, I love using splash anyways
Our goal was certainly not to kill splash decks, but rather to make them a little more "high risk" to balance out the "high reward" they get by using the strongest cards from several brigades. 8)
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Yeah there is a lot of anti-splash stuff in this set I feel like there isn't going to be a lot of splash out there but, I love using splash anyways
The game naturally gravitates towards splash. I expect there to still be a lot of it. The anti-splash stuff is more a balancing factor to the power level of of splashing vs not splashing. I'm not sure it's enough, but we'll continue the trend if it's not.
**EDIT** +1 with Guardian