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Offense

S Rank
The Deck

A Rank
Genesis
Prophets
WC FBTNB

B Rank
Judges
Angels
Daniel

C Rank
Cloud
Clay
Disciples
Armor of God


Defense

S Rank
Crimson Stuff

A Rank
Magicians
Herods
Romans
Demons

B Rank
Greeks
Babs
Assyrians

C Rank
Egyptians
Antidiluvians
Philistines
Brown Stuff

I don't know what the defense is, and my version of the offense is probably too big so it's not the S Rank. Also let's be honest it builds itself.

I have to disagree with where Babs and Phillies are. I would say Phillies are at least a B, and babs are at least A. Coliseum adds a lot for babs, making them much better, and there is a lot of versatility with them, making them great.

Quote from: Red on June 07, 2016, 08:21:56 AM

Judges is low A. I'm not sure I agree on the S tier

Which item above the judges are the judges actually better than?

I'll second the "Judges are A tier" sentiment.  Coliseum is not a death-knell for Judges - you definitely can't use Edict/Dagger/DD/SaS/Faith of Samson as your only GEs anymore, but creative players can still make a powerful Judges offense.  I think Judges/Prophets is stronger than straight Prophets.  And I'd take straight Judges, paired with Assyrians/Magicians and CWD, over FBTNB.

I think I Samuel offenses are at least B, maybe even A.  They are the new version of Samuel decks and are possibly the fastest offense, with the Sam drawing engine, WC heroes including the new Saul/David, TToD, and Abigail.  I've been testing a 56-card version of one with an oversized Assyrian/Babs defense and that deck has been rolling opponents.

There's gotta be a way to play Clay that is higher than C.  Don't forget that Coliseum benefits a Clay offense almost as much as The Deck; Clay is full of banding and versatile non-CBN GEs, with good speed to boot. 

I'd move Assyrians up, Greeks down, and Herods down.  I assume Herods are high because of Coliseum and their resilience against The Deck?

creative players can still make a powerful Judges offense

That can perhaps rise as far as the top of Tier B. A powerful deck gets you to Tier B, a powerful, fast, consistent deck with few usable counters gets you to Tier A.

I disagree. Judges is a second-rate version of The Deck.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on June 22, 2016, 01:40:54 PM

I disagree. Judges is a second-rate version of The Deck.

Judges is not a version of the deck. If that is how someone plays Judges, then it is a bad deck.

i think judges may be one of the strongest decks now with the addition of joshua, not to mention the other cloud cards which offer judges a lot.. i have felt in the past that site access was it's biggest constraint. i think site access in general had been a big constraint as illustrated in the 2015 t1 champion deck, but there have been a lot of advances in site access with 2 full releases now since then in terms of cards playable outside of only being used for site access.

Pretty sure John Earley placed top 3 three years in a row with his version of "The Deck."

Then he realized The Deck just wasn't quite good enough and went to Site lock...

Nationals 2012 I took second playing 'The Deck'
Nationals 2013 I took second playing Splash/Silver/Gold - Which was what 'The Deck' morphed into, they're very similar in concept.
Nationals 2014 I took third playing a more concentrated Silver/Gold.

I think it was 2012. The splash that year was Green/Teal/Gold. It shifted deeper into Gold and away from Green the next two years.