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kariusvega

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Re: Shipwreck Question
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2015, 01:38:17 PM »
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Thank you for this response I'm also wondering if Daniel (Promo) enters battle who "Negates special abilities on Fortresses" does it negate Raider's Camp and return captured heroes to territories? Or does he have the opportunity to rescue a lost soul while your opponent has an occupied Raider's Camp which is then being negated?

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Re: Shipwreck Question
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2015, 01:46:31 PM »
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Thank you for this response I'm also wondering if Daniel (Promo) enters battle who "Negates special abilities on Fortresses" does it negate Raider's Camp and return captured heroes to territories? Or does he have the opportunity to rescue a lost soul while your opponent has an occupied Raider's Camp which is then being negated?
Yes, he negates raider camp. I think the character then return to territory.

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Re: Shipwreck Question
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2015, 01:49:33 PM »
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Negating a card does not go back in time and undo everything it's ever done (at least in the case of cards out for longer than the battle, like fortresses), it only negates things that have happened in the same phase. Daniel, therefore, does not undo all the captures RC has done in the past, he just prevents it from capturing or releasing anything during that battle phase. Any already-captured characters would remain in the fortress and RC cannot be used to release anything instead of surrendering a Lost Soul if Daniel wins the rescue attempt.

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Re: Shipwreck Question
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2015, 01:54:49 PM »
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 :POpps, I was wrong.

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Re: Shipwreck Question
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2015, 11:44:45 AM »
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Negating a card does not go back in time and undo everything it's ever done (at least in the case of cards out for longer than the battle, like fortresses), it only negates things that have happened in the same phase. Daniel, therefore, does not undo all the captures RC has done in the past, he just prevents it from capturing or releasing anything during that battle phase. Any already-captured characters would remain in the fortress and RC cannot be used to release anything instead of surrendering a Lost Soul if Daniel wins the rescue attempt.

This is all true, but to expound, any heroes captured in the same phase go back to the player's LoB because the ability that moved them was negated.  Otherwise, it completed in another phase as Browarod pointed out and cannot be negated; therefore, they follow the card to discard.

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Re: Shipwreck Question
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2015, 11:53:13 AM »
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Negating a card does not go back in time and undo everything it's ever done (at least in the case of cards out for longer than the battle, like fortresses), it only negates things that have happened in the same phase. Daniel, therefore, does not undo all the captures RC has done in the past, he just prevents it from capturing or releasing anything during that battle phase. Any already-captured characters would remain in the fortress and RC cannot be used to release anything instead of surrendering a Lost Soul if Daniel wins the rescue attempt.

This is all true, but to expound, any heroes captured in the same phase go back to the player's LoB because the ability that moved them was negated.  Otherwise, it completed in another phase as Browarod pointed out and cannot be negated; therefore, they follow the card to discard.
Which  phase would it be completed in?

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Re: Shipwreck Question
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2015, 12:33:59 PM »
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Which  phase would it be completed in?

A previous battle phase on a different turn, for example.  Or if you play Shipwreck in your discard phase, then the preceding battle phase is a "previous phase".

Once a phase ends, anything that completed in it is CBN.

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Re: Shipwreck Question
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2015, 12:39:13 PM »
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Which  phase would it be completed in?

A previous battle phase on a different turn, for example.  Or if you play Shipwreck in your discard phase, then the preceding battle phase is a "previous phase".

Once a phase ends, anything that completed in it is CBN.
Ok, I didn't know the CBN part.

 


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