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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => Topic started by: Minister Polarius on February 13, 2012, 06:58:52 PM
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Problem.
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Looks fine to me. They're a support brigade.
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TSA>Secret Name. He's just overrated because everybody thinks Samuel is actually good, when in fact, he's one of the worst heroes in the deck. People also use Samson though. LOL.
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The problem isn't that they're a support brigade, it's that out of the whole brigade 3 cards see use (maybe 4 or 5 depending on whether people still use cap and/or Striking Herod).
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This being opposed to last year's use of Angels:
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Of course, not to be confused with:
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Captain is more used than TSA is, since he offers better numbers and functions in a Jacob band.
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Captain is more used than TSA is, since he offers better numbers and functions in a Jacob band.
This is more of a T2ish thing. Like you said, most decks will use Zeb over Captain.
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I still see way more people using Captain in FBTNB than TSA.
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While it's true Captain sees more play, TSA is the better hero. It just doesn't mesh as well with most people's decks.
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The problem isn't that they're a support brigade, it's that out of the whole brigade 3 cards see use (maybe 4 or 5 depending on whether people still use cap and/or Striking Herod).
If you're playing more than 1 Silver Character in your deck, and you don't have Birth Foretold, then IMHO you're doing something wrong. It essentially gives you a 4% chance of any card being SoG instead of a 2% chance.
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The problem isn't that they're a support brigade, it's that out of the whole brigade 3 cards see use (maybe 4 or 5 depending on whether people still use cap and/or Striking Herod).
If you're playing more than 1 Silver Character in your deck, and you don't have Birth Foretold, then IMHO you're doing something wrong. It essentially gives you a 4% chance of any card being SoG instead of a 2% chance.
I don't think that matters in speed decks like Sam that are capable of decking out in three or four turns anyway.
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A Sam deck, while capable of decking out in 3 to 4 turns, usually doesn't actually deck until turn 5-6. 3 or 4 turns is an absolute perfect game.
Considering that some games don't even make it to turn 4, I'll take that extra 2% every time.
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I use Seraphim, Angel at Shur, and Angel of Warning in my deck. Of course, the only other hero is Job.
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Fact is there is more than 3 silver cards that see play. Fact is it still is under a dozen or so cards, it shouldn't be like this. I think orange and silver need to be in the new starter deck, or mini sets. Heck why not both? Orange and silver should be ablle to support themselves, before they support another color.
My name is Tyler Stevens, and I approve this message.
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Fact is there is more than 3 silver cards that see play. Fact is it still is under a dozen or so cards, it shouldn't be like this. I think orange and silver need to be in the new starter deck, or mini sets. Heck why not both? Orange and silver should be ablle to support themselves, before they support another color.
My name is Tyler Stevens, and I approve this message.
This is where Redemption following the bible comes in play, rarely if ever are angels portrayed as anything more than supporting characters in the bible. Therefore, they have not been made a stand alone redemption brigade.
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Fact is there is more than 3 silver cards that see play. Fact is it still is under a dozen or so cards, it shouldn't be like this. I think orange and silver need to be in the new starter deck, or mini sets. Heck why not both? Orange and silver should be ablle to support themselves, before they support another color.
My name is Tyler Stevens, and I approve this message.
Although I do support a considerable boost for Orange, I don't think Demons in a starter would give a very good "First Impression" of the game to new players.
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But humans possessed, or humans who killed Christians is better? I loved blocking with. and beating demons, when I first started playing.
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But humans possessed, or humans who killed Christians is better?
That's an great idea. Someone should make a "Persecutors of Christians" theme & submit it to the gallery.
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Being that a starter deck has 2-4 evil birgades in it, if one was orange "demons" I don't think that would be a big deal.
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I completely agree. Some silver cards that do blend well with the other brigade, but also are good stand alone cards would be great for a starter. A mini set in December with a few more strong silver cards would be very nice.
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I completely agree. Some silver cards that do blend well with the other brigade, but also are good stand alone cards would be great for a starter. A mini set in December with a few more strong silver cards would be very nice.
Why not at the usual time (Nationals)?
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I'd be in favor of a mini set around the halfway point of the season. This works into my master plan I'll post whenever I get to it.
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Cause they way sheets are printed.
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This is where Redemption following the bible comes in play, rarely if ever are angels portrayed as anything more than supporting characters in the bible. Therefore, they have not been made a stand alone redemption brigade.
I disagree. Angels are portrayed as being more powerful than human beings (though not, if my understanding is correct, as beloved as humans are). Biblically speaking, there's at least as much evidence to assume that silver should be as viable as any other brigade on its own. That said, I like having silver as a support brigade from a gameplay prospective.
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Fact is there is more than 3 silver cards that see play. Fact is it still is under a dozen or so cards, it shouldn't be like this. I think orange and silver need to be in the new starter deck, or mini sets. Heck why not both? Orange and silver should be ablle to support themselves, before they support another color.
My name is Tyler Stevens, and I approve this message.
This is where Redemption following the bible comes in play, rarely if ever are angels portrayed as anything more than supporting characters in the bible. Therefore, they have not been made a stand alone redemption brigade.
demons are the same they have to posses humans to be useful to satan.
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demons are the same they have to posses humans to be useful to satan.
Now that is just theologically incorrect...
Just think of the story with the Prince of Persia delaying the answer to (I think) Daniel's prayer.
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I agree. I'm of the belief that Christians cannot be possessed by a demon, but Satan can sure mess us up if we let him.
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Fact is there is more than 3 silver cards that see play. Fact is it still is under a dozen or so cards, it shouldn't be like this. I think orange and silver need to be in the new starter deck, or mini sets. Heck why not both? Orange and silver should be ablle to support themselves, before they support another color.
My name is Tyler Stevens, and I approve this message.
Although I do support a considerable boost for Orange, I don't think Demons in a starter would give a very good "First Impression" of the game to new players.
I agree with this, actually. If the first thing a soccer mom sees little Johnny playing with is a bunch of demons, she's not going to be inclined to continue to let her precious little angel keep playing Redemption.
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I agree with this, actually. If the first thing a soccer mom sees little Johnny playing with is a bunch of demons, she's not going to be inclined to continue to let her precious little angel keep playing Redemption.
I think her rejection of Redemption will be based less on the demons and more on the fact that her little Johnny has been relegated to a support brigade.
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Fact is there is more than 3 silver cards that see play. Fact is it still is under a dozen or so cards, it shouldn't be like this. I think orange and silver need to be in the new starter deck, or mini sets. Heck why not both? Orange and silver should be ablle to support themselves, before they support another color.
My name is Tyler Stevens, and I approve this message.
Although I do support a considerable boost for Orange, I don't think Demons in a starter would give a very good "First Impression" of the game to new players.
I agree with this, actually. If the first thing a soccer mom sees little Johnny playing with is a bunch of demons, she's not going to be inclined to continue to let her precious little angel keep playing Redemption.
That's exactly my point. There are other themes that need just as much if not more help then Demons. Syrians, Heretics, Canaanites, Greeks, and Romans all need some new cards. Let's not give a theme a boost in a starter deck at the expense of turning new players away from the game.
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demons are the same they have to posses humans to be useful to satan.
Now that is just theologically incorrect...
Just think of the story with the Prince of Persia delaying the answer to (I think) Daniel's prayer.
yes true your right.
kittens is also right in saying they can mess us up, so overall my bad.
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This is where Redemption following the bible comes in play, rarely if ever are angels portrayed as anything more than supporting characters in the bible. Therefore, they have not been made a stand alone redemption brigade.
I disagree. Angels are portrayed as being more powerful than human beings (though not, if my understanding is correct, as beloved as humans are). Biblically speaking, there's at least as much evidence to assume that silver should be as viable as any other brigade on its own. That said, I like having silver as a support brigade from a gameplay prospective.
Indeed. I don't want to see the argument that Silver is a support brigade because Angels supported humans in the Bible until I see an angel card that can discard every Assyrian in the field of play. 180,000 is such a large number...
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Indeed. I don't want to see the argument that Silver is a support brigade because Angels supported humans in the Bible until I see an angel card that can discard every Assyrian in the field of play. 180,000 is such a large number...
Um, Protection of Jerusalem allows The Destroyer to discard every Assyrian in play.
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Indeed. I don't want to see the argument that Silver is a support brigade because Angels supported humans in the Bible until I see an angel card that can discard every Assyrian in the field of play. 180,000 is such a large number...
Um, Protection of Jerusalem allows The Destroyer to discard every Assyrian in play.
How do you figure that?
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The Destroyer negates Assyrian Camp and can discard an Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian. Discarding that Assyrian will activate Protection of Jerusalem, allowing you to discard another Assyrian.
Mentally replace the word "activate" with "trigger". I'm too lazy to go through and change it myself, and just realized what I did.
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I stand corrected.