Author Topic: A- Bomb (Read 11023 times)

Carl deuty · « **on:** November 10, 2009, 08:54:37 PM »

I just wanted to ask if anyone knows a way to dominate an A- Bomb type deck. I was using a site lock deck that had confusion of mind and a lot of BBTN but most of the gold cards that were used in this A- Bomb deck were "can not be negated" and therefore I was forced to draw and get my stuff blown up. I did win the game but playing those gold luke heroes with A-Bomb is pretty frustrating.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #1 on:** November 10, 2009, 09:00:01 PM »

A-Bomb is really tight, very hard to stop - I find Speed to be the best solution, hit them fast and hard before they can set it up.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #2 on:** November 10, 2009, 09:01:15 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on November 10, 2009, 09:00:01 PM

A-Bomb is really tight, very hard to stop - I find Speed to be the best solution, hit them fast and hard before they can set it up.

, speed is probably the best option. It also allows you to deck out which hinders a lot of ABom cards.

Sean · « **Reply #3 on:** November 10, 2009, 09:08:01 PM »

Discarder Lost Soul
Scapegoat
Hezekiah
I Am Grace
Balance

Crashfach2002 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 10, 2009, 09:58:28 PM »

Soooooooo, you are trying to find a way around my deck without coping me huh!?!?

Carl deuty · « **Reply #5 on:** November 10, 2009, 10:02:59 PM »

No, I was talking about this other time when I played this other guy in a distant land.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #6 on:** November 10, 2009, 10:11:21 PM »

Speed is, as always, a volatile option. If you win in the first few turns then woot, but if you don't deck or come dang near to it before they set up you the bomb, you're killing yourself every time you draw. Also be aware that losing 9 cards to a Water Jar is much more devastating to a Speed deck than any other kind of deck except a combo deck.

As a Abom player, the thing I fear most is large defenses. If I can't take out your EC's fairly quickly, my defense isn't going to hold up all that long. Don't get this confused with turtles, which Abom wraps, but a control deck with a sizable defense is going to do well against Abom.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #7 on:** November 10, 2009, 10:18:49 PM »

Um, why not Covenant with Noah to just destroy Abom? You could even use Covenant Keepers to draw it out, right? Or is Abom "cannot be negated/discarded"?

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #8 on:** November 10, 2009, 10:21:28 PM »

Covenant of Noah does not discard the ehn. So, I guess it would stop it for one phase, but that's it.

Abom can be discarded and negated. My favorite negate card is Scapegoat.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #9 on:** November 10, 2009, 10:28:41 PM »

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Also be aware that losing 9 cards to a Water Jar is much more devastating to a Speed deck than any other kind of deck except a combo deck.

I would tend to disagree with this statement - considering the fact that a modern speed deck is 50 cards, and the ability that they have to draw out everything I would say Water Jar is less devestating to a Speed deck, because they know they'll get them back, and because typically Speed decks don't rely on any single card (or even any 9 cards) to win. So outside of getting lucky and hitting the big two, Water Jar doesn't affect speed decks that much. (IMHO)

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #10 on:** November 10, 2009, 11:19:09 PM »

What would you know, seeing as how you don't play speed? :p

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #11 on:** November 11, 2009, 12:57:44 AM »

Ha, Touche, I play speed. My current deck isn't speed by my defenition, but I guess it is by the community's. I have decks that draw out much, much faster than it.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #12 on:** November 11, 2009, 07:21:00 AM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on November 10, 2009, 10:21:28 PM

Covenant of Noah does not discard the ehn. So, I guess it would stop it for one phase, but that's it.

Abom can be discarded and negated. My favorite negate card is Scapegoat.

What part of Covenant of Noah's negate makes it only for one turn? If it has been negated, what makes it "un-negated" one turn later? Maybe I just don't understand Covenant of Noah correctly. Thanks.

Gabe · « **Reply #13 on:** November 11, 2009, 09:13:24 AM »

If you use Covenant of Noah to negate Abom the phase that Abom is played it would stop it altogether. After Abom has been placed in your territory Cov of Noah is ineffective against it.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #14 on:** November 11, 2009, 10:37:18 AM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on November 11, 2009, 09:13:24 AM

If you use Covenant of Noah to negate Abom the phase that Abom is played it would stop it altogether. After Abom has been placed in your territory Cov of Noah is ineffective against it.

I keep forgetting about this rule... Place enhancements are CBN after the phase it is played in.

Master KChief · « **Reply #15 on:** November 11, 2009, 10:45:24 AM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on November 10, 2009, 10:28:41 PM

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Also be aware that losing 9 cards to a Water Jar is much more devastating to a Speed deck than any other kind of deck except a combo deck.

I would tend to disagree with this statement - considering the fact that a modern speed deck is 50 cards, and the ability that they have to draw out everything I would say Water Jar is less devestating to a Speed deck, because they know they'll get them back, and because typically Speed decks don't rely on any single card (or even any 9 cards) to win. So outside of getting lucky and hitting the big two, Water Jar doesn't affect speed decks that much. (IMHO)

. swj is inneffective against speed...or most any deck, really. the only thing it is beneficial for is activating some gold brigade cards, flushing out lost souls, and i suppose preventing your opponent from searching for certain cards. otherwise, it merely puts the top 3/9 on the bottom. no big deal.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #16 on:** November 11, 2009, 11:07:09 AM »

Well thats type one - In type two you can hit unique characters that they can't use until they deck.

Korunks · « **Reply #17 on:** November 12, 2009, 12:07:06 PM »

Wouldn't this card work also? I know its old but is says all in play, wouldn't negate it but would discard it correct?

***edit also found this in the REG

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The special ability “place” can be negated during the same game phase in which it is activated; it cannot be negated after that game phase is completed. However, the special ability on the placed card can be negated unless specified otherwise.

emphasis mine. Why can't covenant of noah one turn prevent this?

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #18 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:16:25 PM »

Aaron's Rod would discard it.

I'm not sure about the REG quote you found. I hadn't seen that before.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #19 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:29:08 PM »

maybe abomb should be incorporated into some type of speed deck. I mean the sooner you get it out the better

Master KChief · « **Reply #20 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:30:07 PM »

abom decks usually are speed, due to the gold women drawers/gifts of the magi, and z-temple/joiada/feast of trumpets.

lightningninja · « **Reply #21 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:29:26 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on November 10, 2009, 10:11:21 PM

which Abom wraps...

I seriously lol'd.

Yeah the worst card, honestly, is the covenant, next in line is probably the red warrior class enhancement... is it Caleb's Sword?

Honestly, if you have lampstand in a temple and the covenant you'll beat abom pretty much, unless they somehow discard one of those two.

Master KChief · « **Reply #22 on:** November 12, 2009, 10:03:08 PM »

covenant with phinehas?

also, abom can merely discard the z-temple to discard the lampstand with it. kill two birds with one stone.

browarod · « **Reply #23 on:** November 12, 2009, 10:09:51 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on November 12, 2009, 10:03:08 PM

covenant with phinehas?

also, abom can merely discard the z-temple to discard the lampstand with it. kill two birds with one stone.

I thought artifacts in temples went back to the artifact pile if the fortress is discarded?

Master KChief · « **Reply #24 on:** November 12, 2009, 10:12:22 PM »

no, they follow it.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #25 on:** November 13, 2009, 12:53:32 AM »

In addition, Land Dispute will take out your Temple much of the time.

lightningninja · « **Reply #26 on:** November 13, 2009, 03:32:57 PM »

Okay... I meant that lampstand is held in the temple, you use the covenant to discard a good card from you hand to discard an evil enhancement (a-bom). Now they can't play destruction and bye bye abom.

Master KChief · « **Reply #27 on:** November 13, 2009, 03:34:43 PM »

oh. well thats why abom decks always use amon.

Gabe · « **Reply #28 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:14:23 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on November 13, 2009, 03:34:43 PM

oh. well thats why abom decks always use amon.

Yep, and Pride of Simon. If you're going to base your deck on a specific card you better have ways to protect it or get it back.

lightningninja · « **Reply #29 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:27:04 PM »

Very true, and both of those cards were in my a-bom deck. However it's a big pain to need to get it back, and then they can simply activate that artifact again.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #30 on:** November 13, 2009, 09:40:34 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on November 12, 2009, 10:03:08 PM

covenant with phinehas?

also, abom can merely discard the z-temple to discard the lampstand with it. kill two birds with one stone.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on November 13, 2009, 12:53:32 AM

In addition, Land Dispute will take out your Temple much of the time.

goldencomet · « **Reply #31 on:** December 10, 2009, 07:52:30 PM »

ok what is the goal of abom?
how does it work?
wat is good in it, also what is good in a speed deck
sorry, just learning the ropes

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #32 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:46:20 PM »

have a Seven Sons, a Red Dragon, and a Prince. deck out, and discard your whole hand. gg.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #33 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:50:17 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 17, 2009, 05:46:20 PM

have a Seven Sons, a Red Dragon, and a Prince. deck out, and discard your whole hand. gg.

That's basically a free pass for my Abom deck to win. A quick AoCp and you are toast.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #34 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:57:35 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on December 17, 2009, 05:50:17 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 17, 2009, 05:46:20 PM
have a Seven Sons, a Red Dragon, and a Prince. deck out, and discard your whole hand. gg.

That's basically a free pass for my Abom deck to win. A quick AoCp and you are toast.

I'll have to work on that. I was mainly thinking gold. Gabriel would work.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #35 on:** December 17, 2009, 06:09:25 PM »

Yeah, it would. Or Amasai the Raider. But also remember Abom decks use recursion.

I include ET + AoCP in every Abom deck I make, whether it is lite, gold, or the teal combo. It is an amazing last resort to d/cing the hand.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #36 on:** December 17, 2009, 06:24:11 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on December 17, 2009, 06:09:25 PM

Yeah, it would. Or Amasai the Raider. But also remember Abom decks use recursion.

I include ET + AoCP in every Abom deck I make, whether it is lite, gold, or the teal combo. It is an amazing last resort to d/cing the hand.

I was talking about getting rid of AoCP, so Amasai wouldn't work. A-Bom doesn't scare me. it's really not last resort, if you deck out, then the game's probably going to be over.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #37 on:** December 17, 2009, 06:44:39 PM »

unless you specifically play with cards that put cards back into your opponents deck...

Self-Doubt
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Brown • Ability: None • Class: none • Special Ability: Return a Hero in play to the top of owner’s draw pile. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Numbers 13:31 • Availability: H Deck

too bad it doesnt say place

lightningninja · « **Reply #38 on:** December 18, 2009, 11:19:45 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 17, 2009, 06:24:11 PM

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on December 17, 2009, 06:09:25 PM
Yeah, it would. Or Amasai the Raider. But also remember Abom decks use recursion.

I include ET + AoCP in every Abom deck I make, whether it is lite, gold, or the teal combo. It is an amazing last resort to d/cing the hand.
I was talking about getting rid of AoCP, so Amasai wouldn't work. A-Bom doesn't scare me. it's really not last resort, if you deck out, then the game's probably going to be over.

That's why A-bom people use feast of trumpets. You WILL draw whether you like it or not.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #39 on:** December 19, 2009, 12:02:10 AM »

Quote from: lightningninja on December 18, 2009, 11:19:45 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 17, 2009, 06:24:11 PM
Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on December 17, 2009, 06:09:25 PM
Yeah, it would. Or Amasai the Raider. But also remember Abom decks use recursion.

I include ET + AoCP in every Abom deck I make, whether it is lite, gold, or the teal combo. It is an amazing last resort to d/cing the hand.
I was talking about getting rid of AoCP, so Amasai wouldn't work. A-Bom doesn't scare me. it's really not last resort, if you deck out, then the game's probably going to be over.
That's why A-bom people use feast of trumpets. You WILL draw whether you like it or not.

not if you discard your whole hand.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #40 on:** December 19, 2009, 12:50:04 AM »

If you have no deck and no hand, you've lost. Ehud will pick people he'll beat automatically, Judge's Seat will clear the big guys, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #41 on:** December 19, 2009, 01:02:11 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on December 19, 2009, 12:50:04 AM

If you have no deck and no hand, you've lost. Ehud will pick people he'll beat automatically, Judge's Seat will clear the big guys, and there's nothing you can do about it.

pick your poison. Judge's Seat shouldn't be used in A-Bom decks because Feast of Trumpet's will set aside the character in the Seat before it can discard. unless of course you have another one in your hand, which isn't likely at the end of a game.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #42 on:** December 19, 2009, 03:02:48 AM »

I don't use Feast of Trumpets in my Abom decks, usually.

lightningninja · « **Reply #43 on:** December 19, 2009, 03:59:22 PM »

I find that there are a LOT of things you can do against a defense that doesn't have a hand, and has lost at least a few key cards in territory before A-bom was stopped. Ehud is a major one. Wool Fleece + TSA angel actually works amazingly well.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #44 on:** December 20, 2009, 12:49:21 AM »

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Wool Fleece + TSA angel

The Strong Angel Angel?

lightningninja · « **Reply #45 on:** December 22, 2009, 08:14:30 PM »

hahahhaa typo.

redemption101 · « **Reply #46 on:** December 24, 2009, 11:33:57 PM »

Unkown nation

i believe works

How i stop it in type one
don't play ec, keep them in your hand this minamizes the damage it can do,
Zimiri Always works
Crimson guy who switches ls
Site lock

Type 2 so much easier
Rab 2k horses Forgottne history = auto win 5x
Panic deamon or 1/1 DOU= auto win 5x also gets rid of 5 heros
Essua + rab 5 gibboinite trickery =5 auto win
other essau + capture = win

Currently not in deck but easy to add 5x confusion

type2 is easy stop the battle before he can drop the card
type1 be willing to loose the battle becuase you can't delay it for 15+ turns instead make it so playing the card helps you more them him.

You can always just add in gabe for the fun of it solves your probelm

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