When is the last time a tournament has been won by someone who didn't have TSC in their deck? I ask because if this is a winner promo, how are the players who don't have TSC going to get this card without avoiding the cost of trading away other high value cards?
When is the last time a tournament has been won by someone who didn't have TSC in their deck? I ask because if this is a winner promo, how are the players who don't have TSC going to get this card without avoiding the cost of trading away other high value cards?
That is reassuring. The idea is great as is the artwork, especially for the Nationals versions. It just seems a little counter intuitive to have it as a winner's promo.
Is this for real? This is Gabe posting kn April 1st...
Is this for real? This is Gabe posting kn April 1st...
Is this for real? This is Gabe posting kn April 1st...
He showed them off at t2 only this weekend, it's legit.
So if your opponent plays 3 woes as good and you copy it, would new new Jerusalem stay out as a 3 woes?
Copy abilities last until the end of the current phase by default so once the next phase began, it would be discarded.
Unless otherwise specified, copy effects last until the card with the copy effect leaves the Field of Battle.
Place in territory: Negate a card of a different alignment than this card for one round. Each upkeep, you may negate a card of a different alignment than this card for one round.
If I'm not mistaken... The new New Jerusalem would effectively bring back dominant slapjack, correct?
The new New Jerusalem just says last good dominant which means it could copy your opponents. Granted the game won't have "literal" slap jack like before since dominants are no longer instant speed but how it's currently worded... you could still copy your opponent's cards if I'm not mistaken.
If I was still playing I'd totally be down for that but considering how big of a deal it was back in the day when slapjack was removed I'm a bit shocked to see it come back.
This does bring back the opportunity to "play New Jerusalem off your opponent's Son of God" if it was the last good Dominant they played. 8)Ahhh I misunderstood how dominant initiative worked then. Still, the above quoted is what I thought was possible!
Hey, what if you NJ someone else's NJ, that just copied SOG? And then someone copied your NJ? Does every version of NJ get to rescue a lost soul?
Just want to see how far the chain reaction goes? I'm imagining a conga line of NJ's in multiplayer.
Hey, what if you NJ someone else's NJ, that just copied SOG? And then someone copied your NJ? Does every version of NJ get to rescue a lost soul?
Just want to see how far the chain reaction goes? I'm imagining a conga line of NJ's in multiplayer.
Really? Wouldn't your NJ just copy whatever the previous NJ copied? So if it copied SoG you would copy a copy of NJ that's copying SoG?Hey, what if you NJ someone else's NJ, that just copied SOG? And then someone copied your NJ? Does every version of NJ get to rescue a lost soul?
Just want to see how far the chain reaction goes? I'm imagining a conga line of NJ's in multiplayer.
You can use NJ (copied SoG) to copy NJ and create a conga line of NJs.
Soon Cactus games will be able to offer a new tournament winner promo! The elder team has felt for some time that New Jerusalem (dominant) could use an update. We've tested this version and feel that accomplishes our goal of being under the power level of TSC while giving players that don't own TSC a good alternative.
Also, I dont understand why NJ wont stay in play if it copies 3W just because it isn't in battle, the imitate LS is a copy ability that doesn't touch battle and it stays on the field, how is this dfferent?
I think it would at least be fun if NJ could copy Glory, 3 Woes, Holy Spirit and stick around to give you two of these in territory. Don't think it would be too overpowering either as you are giving up a soul rescue to get this effect. Maybe worth thinking about tweaking this rule? ;DExcept for the fact that you would be able to shuffle NJ with Shrine to Artemis and then use it again to rescue a soul.
I also agree, copy should last until the card its copying leaves playBut in most cases the ability NJ is copying won't be in play so we wouldn't really be able to define it that way.
Copy could be defined to copy a card while it's in play. NHS ability allows it to override the default and copy last played, so it would work to copy SoG, but if it copies 3W then the default would kick in and allow it to stay
I see no problem with NJ being shuffled and used again. You wont be able to copy 3W again since it wasnt just played and you'll never be able to rescue 2 LS with it this way. I see this as pretty cool to shuffle it and use it twice
Copy could be defined to copy a card while it's in play. NHS ability allows it to override the default and copy last played, so it would work to copy SoG, but if it copies 3W then the default would kick in and allow it to stay
I see no problem with NJ being shuffled and used again. You wont be able to copy 3W again since it wasnt just played and you'll never be able to rescue 2 LS with it this way. I see this as pretty cool to shuffle it and use it twice
Copy could be defined to copy a card while it's in play. NHS ability allows it to override the default and copy last played, so it would work to copy SoG, but if it copies 3W then the default would kick in and allow it to stay
I see no problem with NJ being shuffled and used again. You wont be able to copy 3W again since it wasnt just played and you'll never be able to rescue 2 LS with it this way. I see this as pretty cool to shuffle it and use it twice
We designed and tested NJ with the current copy rules in mind. There are plenty of great targets for it to copy. If we wanted it to copy 3W we would have worded it to get around the default rather than redefine the game rules and retroactively change them. I'm pretty sure that both NJ and 3W are good enough without them interacting as some people desire.
No I understand, I just think copy abilities are confusing and am trying to understand/make them easier to understand. I'm not necessarily trying to make NJ easier, just so that when a younger player gets NJ, which is basically who this card is meant for, they will be able to use it without having to have a PhD in redemptionese
Copy could be defined to copy a card while it's in play. NHS ability allows it to override the default and copy last played, so it would work to copy SoG, but if it copies 3W then the default would kick in and allow it to stay
I see no problem with NJ being shuffled and used again. You wont be able to copy 3W again since it wasnt just played and you'll never be able to rescue 2 LS with it this way. I see this as pretty cool to shuffle it and use it twice
Except you could also shuffle Woes and get both back for later...then you could shuffle NJ again and copy Son of God on a future turn... ::)
I think it would at least be fun if NJ could copy Glory, 3 Woes, Holy Spirit and stick around to give you two of these in territory. Don't think it would be too overpowering either as you are giving up a soul rescue to get this effect. Maybe worth thinking about tweaking this rule? ;DExcept for the fact that you would be able to shuffle NJ with Shrine to Artemis and then use it again to rescue a soul.
That's a fair point. I still don't think it is stronger than TSC even with that interaction, but since Gabe says NJ was tested with the copy rules as they are I definitely respect not wanting to make any last minute changes to make a new dominant stronger.
QuoteThat's a fair point. I still don't think it is stronger than TSC even with that interaction, but since Gabe says NJ was tested with the copy rules as they are I definitely respect not wanting to make any last minute changes to make a new dominant stronger.
I agree it still wouldn't be on the same level, but without testing it that way, it wouldn't be prudent to make such a change.