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The problem is, Redemption is not a best-two-out-of-three style tournament (a bummer, imo). A sideboard would be kind of pointless.

i think he knows that, but hes just trying to see what some ideas for a sideboard would be.

personally, for me, i would probably include cards that severely hurt super turtle decks and tgt decks.

How do you hurt a turtle deck? Put it in a stew!

super-turtles, for the most part, are site decks...so mass site access is what i meant.

How about the actual name of cards rather than being vague, I'd appericate that.

Well then.

My experience with "Super Turtles" seems to be the infamous "Zebby" decks. They usually utilize sites, a fortress (Kerith Ravine usually) and 2 heroes. The Heroes being:

Zebulun 3/3 Blue Genesis hero, Draw 2 cards. Cannot be blocked by an ec with Toughness (I think it is toughness) less than the number of cards in your hand.

Ahimaaz ?/? (can't remember right now) Teal Hero, May look at opponents hand then continue battle or withdraw.

All cards are a paraphrase.
Basically you need fort destruction (Kerith Ravine is set aside so it must include all set aside cards) or set aside destruction.

Art destruction (for Chariots of Fire, because they will just keep bringing Zebby back if you CM him)

Site access, and Plenty of it.

The only time I beat a Zebby deck is when I had just the right number of good cards to break through my opponents HUGE and ROUGH Defense.

The other way to beat a Zebby deck is to use cards like Holy Grail (Zebby doesn't work if some of his heroes in play aren't Genesis) Meeting the Messiah in a Luke/John offense is a good one too. Any CBN Converts are awesome to stop Zebby. If you can get past the Defense of a super turtle deck you are home free.

My experience with "Super Turtles" seems to be the infamous "Zebby" decks. They usually utilize sites, a fortress (Kerith Ravine usually) and 2 heroes. The Heroes being:

Zebulun 3/3 Blue Genesis hero, Draw 2 cards. Cannot be blocked by an ec with Toughness (I think it is toughness) less than the number of cards in your hand.

Ahimaaz ?/? (can't remember right now) Teal Hero, May look at opponents hand then continue battle or withdraw.

All cards are a paraphrase.
Basically you need fort destruction (Kerith Ravine is set aside so it must include all set aside cards) or set aside destruction.

Art destruction (for Chariots of Fire, because they will just keep bringing Zebby back if you CM him)

Site access, and Plenty of it.

The only time I beat a Zebby deck is when I had just the right number of good cards to break through my opponents HUGE and ROUGH Defense.

The other way to beat a Zebby deck is to use cards like Holy Grail (Zebby doesn't work if some of his heroes in play aren't Genesis) Meeting the Messiah in a Luke/John offense is a good one too. Any CBN Converts are awesome to stop Zebby. If you can get past the Defense of a super turtle deck you are home free.

the problem with zebby is that defensive cards will usually not work, since you'll never get a chance to ever play them. holy grail/meeting the messiah is a good idea, but they'll just suicide with them. cbn converts you'll never get a chance to play. the best counter to zebby, i have found, is go super-offense...add more sites, offensive battle winners, etc to power through their defense.

I really like where this thread is going.

How will you impliment such a plan? This stradegy really promotes knowing everyone elses deck, which i dont like but will do. Works best in a smaller tourney- what will you do, say, at NATS or another large tourney?

I also play MtG.

Abom decks make mincemeat of Zebby decks.

Truth. It was when I was going to play you that I thought that I would need some help against Abom. Which is why I had put I am Grace in there.  Little did I know that you had abandoned all virtue and decency and made a TGT deck. 

Quote from: Professoralstad on April 03, 2010, 03:22:51 PM

Little did I know that you had abandoned all virtue and decency and made a TGT deck. 

At-a-boy!

What did you two switch decks or something?

true. whereas a land dispute will usually also knock the temple out, not so with a super turtle site deck. set fire would be the best bet, but im sure most super turtles use i am grace to protect zebby anyways.

I'm telling you, build any deck you want. Then sideboard the TGT band, John, TGT, and 5 sites, and you will be prepared to beat any meta between your deck and sideboard.

Notice I did not say access sites.

BBH, Perg, Kir, and Babylon. So 4, sorry. The fifth card is a color guard soul. If you have on in your deck already, I'd maybe add another Babylon or perhaps an access site/art.

so you would use the sites defensively rather than offensively?

im surprised to see no hormah if using that strategy. however, you're essentially screwed if they use teal, silver, or blue. considering mass site stealing is also used, i find mass multi sites to be the most appropriate for the situation.

I'm telling you, build any deck you want. Then sideboard the TGT band, John, TGT, and 5 sites, and you will be prepared to beat any meta between your deck and sideboard.

I understand that TGT is 1 of the best and most common stratgies out there but can't someone just side in a card that stops a good fortress which would break the syngery of a TGT deck such as a "Destructive Sin" card? Then, all the other support cards for TGT wouldn't be so powerful then.

It wouldn't seem too wise to completely base a "sideboard" on 1 style of a deck when you know there are ways to stop it. If anything it would seem good to see what's appearing at the current tournament you're at and base it around that. Remember, once a person registers a deck... that's it they can't add cards to it. These ideas are ideal for small tournaments. Besides that, it's the numerous Local tournaments that are the blood of Redemption and it's community that keeps it going which in 1 reason why this could be effective. Unlike more large tournaments, it'll be more hard to keep up with what you may face out there when it comes to building decks that are well suited against the metagame other there.

most TGT fails to site lock so play that.

not even true.

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 03, 2010, 10:43:26 PM

I'm telling you, build any deck you want. Then sideboard the TGT band, John, TGT, and 5 sites, and you will be prepared to beat any meta between your deck and sideboard.

I understand that TGT is 1 of the best and most common stratgies out there but can't someone just side in a card that stops a good fortress which would break the syngery of a TGT deck such as a "Destructive Sin" card? Then, all the other support cards for TGT wouldn't be so powerful then.

it ultimately depends on how your deck normally matches up with tgt without hard counters. decks that use lots of same colored ec's wont need that many counters to tgt, while others that are spread thin will. if your worse matchup against your deck is tgt, then by all means put in as many hard counters as you can. normally most top tier decks only have 1 or 2 weaknesses, so putting in as many hard counters against those decks to smash them is the best option.