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Title: Disqualification from Type A
Post by: soul seeker on November 22, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
I need a clarifying answer, and I can't seem to find it. 
   As my sons get better cards and continue to learn the game, they are becoming real threats.
They are closing in on placing:
     the 8 y.o. placed 3rd at a local involving 17 players
     the 7 y.o. placed 4th at the local for Micah involving 5 players

Here is my question: what disqualifies them from Nationals Type A?
    a) a first place finish
    b) any placing for prizes

I need someone official to weigh in because of increasingly awkward situations.
Title: Re: Disqualification of Type A
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on November 22, 2011, 12:35:04 PM
I'm not official, but it's any RNRS points, so any placing.
Title: Re: Disqualification of Type A
Post by: TechnoEthicist on November 22, 2011, 12:51:49 PM
Yeah, that's what I observed from nationals sites when asking

* to play in type A you must be 12 or younger and have no national ranking points in any category-Nats 2011

Type A Two-player. This event is identical to Type 1 Two-player with one “small” difference. All
participants will be under the age of 12 and will have no accrued RNRS points-Nats 2010

as such, neither child has points yet so they are still good for Type A...
Title: Re: Disqualification from Type A
Post by: soul seeker on November 22, 2011, 01:07:36 PM
Sauce and Brad, thanks for your responses.

Brad's quote was what I was looking for....apparently, I was looking in the wrong areas.
Title: Re: Disqualification from Type A
Post by: Prof Underwood on November 22, 2011, 05:31:44 PM
Personally, I wouldn't mind if a young kid played Type-A as long as they didn't have RNRS points in T1-2p.  If they happened to place 2nd in a TEAMS event because their partner was awesome, I'd still like them to have a shot at Type-A.  If they happened to place 2nd in Booster because their draft was amazing, I'd like them to still have a shot at Type-A.  And if they placed 2nd in Closed Deck because there were only 2 people playing at their local, I'd still like them to have a shot at Type-A.

This may not be officially the criteria, but I feel like it is following the "spirit of the law".
Title: Re: Disqualification from Type A
Post by: soul seeker on November 22, 2011, 07:07:09 PM
Personally, I wouldn't mind if a young kid played Type-A as long as they didn't have RNRS points in T1-2p.  If they happened to place 2nd in a TEAMS event because their partner was awesome, I'd still like them to have a shot at Type-A.  If they happened to place 2nd in Booster because their draft was amazing, I'd like them to still have a shot at Type-A.  And if they placed 2nd in Closed Deck because there were only 2 people playing at their local, I'd still like them to have a shot at Type-A.

This may not be officially the criteria, but I feel like it is following the "spirit of the law".
Mark's description is eerily close to what was going on.
My boys were playing Type 2 multi as "filler" players, and they were using my extra T2 decks.  Both had a shot at winning, and it got me to thinking.  What if they had pulled their SoG sooner or if I had not falling awayed one of their souls.
Title: Re: Disqualification from Type A
Post by: katedid on November 22, 2011, 11:28:47 PM
May I just say, congrats to your kids for doing so well, as I have had the pleasure being beaten and tieing with some of them
Title: Re: Disqualification from Type A
Post by: Prof Underwood on November 23, 2011, 12:17:28 AM
Personally I'd like to see Type A limited to kids who are under the age of 12 and have less than 5 RNRS points in T1-2p.

Realistically, anyone with more points than that is probably good enough at T1-2p that they wouldn't want to play in Type A anyway, and anyone who is that age and has less than that many RNRS points wouldn't stand much of a chance in the T1-2p event at Nats on Fri anyway.  Why make little kids play something where they're just gonna get beat down over and over?  As an adult, I'd be disappointed to lose 8/10 games at Nats, but I'm man enough to not cry about it.  Can I expect that from an 8 year old (actually I do expect that from my daughter, but that's not the point) :)
Title: Re: Disqualification from Type A
Post by: Professoralstad on December 19, 2011, 08:40:35 PM
The inventor of Type A, Wild Bill, pretty much let's anyone who hasn't won a T1-2P or Type A tourney play Type A, so long as they are young enough. I guess its up to Rob in the end, but Type A was meant as a way for younger kids to feel competitive at tourneys with elite players. I guess tourney hosts have discretion ultimately, but Bill is definitely a Spirit of the Law kind of guy.
Title: Re: Disqualification from Type A
Post by: YourMathTeacher on December 19, 2011, 11:16:48 PM
My boys were playing Type 2 multi as "filler" players, and they were using my extra T2 decks.  Both had a shot at winning, and it got me to thinking.  What if they had pulled their SoG sooner or if I had not falling awayed one of their souls.

Wait a minute. You FA'd a Lost Soul from your 8-year-old son, who was gracious enough to fill in for Type 2 multiplayer?  :o

You are one hardcore dad....   ;)
Title: Re: Disqualification from Type A
Post by: Captain Kirk on December 19, 2011, 11:39:28 PM
Yea when I drove up to MN in recent times, Wild Bill let Nathan, Jordan, and I all play in the Type A category...

Kirk
Title: Re: Disqualification from Type A
Post by: everytribe on December 19, 2011, 11:43:21 PM
The inventor of Type A, Wild Bill, pretty much let's anyone who hasn't won a T1-2P or Type A tourney play Type A, so long as they are young enough. I guess its up to Rob in the end, but Type A was meant as a way for younger kids to feel competitive at tourneys with elite players. I guess tourney hosts have discretion ultimately, but Bill is definitely a Spirit of the Law kind of guy.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if a young kid played Type-A as long as they didn't have RNRS points in T1-2p.  If they happened to place 2nd in a TEAMS event because their partner was awesome, I'd still like them to have a shot at Type-A.  If they happened to place 2nd in Booster because their draft was amazing, I'd like them to still have a shot at Type-A.  And if they placed 2nd in Closed Deck because there were only 2 people playing at their local, I'd still like them to have a shot at Type-A.

This may not be officially the criteria, but I feel like it is following the "spirit of the law".

Both Professors speak pretty well for me. Its nice to give the young kids a shot at winning. I think that has helped our play group keep going. Its nice to have a chance to win sometime. Otherwise kids get discouraged and quit

Personally I'd like to see Type A limited to kids who are under the age of 12 and have less than 5 RNRS points in T1-2p.
I like that Idea. The RLK's that are good enough to place 10th in Nationals aren't going to want to play in type A. They want that shot at upsetting one of the elit players. Besides their are no guarentees about winning type A. Usually the person you think will win it doesn't.
Title: Re: Disqualification from Type A
Post by: everytribe on December 19, 2011, 11:53:03 PM
Yea when I drove up to MN in recent times, Wild Bill let Nathan, Jordan, and I all play in the Type A category...

Kirk

Sometimes we let older out of staters play in type A at MN tournaments. We don't want to have them get discouraged and never come back. Kirk was a special case. Jordan played Orange, I played Red and Nathan had to take out all his Doms. Even with all of that Kirk barely won. I had to call time early so he timed out tied with Jordan instead of losing. It was sort of like one of those Buffalo Wild Wings football commercials
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