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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Playgroup and Tournament Central => Redemption® Official Tournaments => Topic started by: CactusRob on March 06, 2012, 09:08:21 AM
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Our plan is to hold the 2012 National Tournament in Knoxville, TN. Chris has a final meeting with his church elders on the 14th. Between now and then we need to firm up the dates. Because of a schedule conflict the first week in August is not an option. So, the two choices are:
July 26-28
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August 9-11
We already know that neither choice works for everyone. This poll is to try to find the better of the two dates.
I updated the poll this morning and reset the votes. Please vote again.
Thank you,
Rob
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YES!! This means I'll probably be there, seeing how I think I can make both weeks. My first official tourny. Yay!
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July 26-28. July 27 is my birthday. This is my year. ;D
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I think the July date is better, Mr. Rob, because school might be starting for me during the August date.
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July 26-28. July 27 is my birthday. This is my year. ;D
My birthday is July 26th, so maybe this is my year too :)
Also, my guess is that many people's school may be starting by the August date, so the July is probably better overall.
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I think the July date is better, Mr. Rob, because school might be starting for me during the August date.
+1 While the second date WOULD work, it would be much easier for the July as getting ready to leave for college is going to be hectic enough.
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My birthday is July 26th, so maybe this is my year too :)
Your birthday is July 26th? I'm not sure if I knew that or not already, I think you may have told me that before. Double birthday party at Nats!
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My birthday is July 26th, so maybe this is my year too :)
Your birthday is July 26th? I'm not sure if I knew that or not already, I think you may have told me that before. Double birthday party at Nats!
As a present I'll let you guys hold my trophy after I win T1 2 player
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Drat, my birthday is 3 weeks before you guys.
In addition to the July date, this would mean that people would see the new cards earlier!
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My birthday is July 26th, so maybe this is my year too :)
Your birthday is July 26th? I'm not sure if I knew that or not already, I think you may have told me that before. Double birthday party at Nats!
As a present I'll let you guys hold my trophy after I win T1 2 player
Haha, no problem, I probably won't be playing in Type 1 2 player this year as I barely have any gametime in with the new set. I'll probably be going for a repeat Booster Draft Nationals win.
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I'm really new to this whole tourny ordeal. Is there a limit to how many events you can participate in?
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As many as you are physically able to. Some run simultaneously with each other.
Now, if you had access to a Time Machine...
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Awesome! However, I was just thinking. Since I don't have hardly ANY cards post-priests, it would be best for me to just do booster draft wouldn't it?
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Rob, let me just comment how amazingly gracious you are to let us give you input for such a decision...that being said, I would LOVE to have it July 26-28th. Thanks!
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I'll be skippig it if it's in July. Go August!
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Awesome! However, I was just thinking. Since I don't have hardly ANY cards post-priests, it would be best for me to just do booster draft wouldn't it?
Absolutely. I find Draft to be one of the most fun formats because it is usually less competitive and serious in nature than the other formats. I'm also sure other people would be more than happy to lend you cards/decks for any format you want to play in. You are certainly welcome to anything in my collection. I usually build six Tier 1 decks for Type 1 every year for me and my brother, but I doubt he will come this year.
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Awesome! However, I was just thinking. Since I don't have hardly ANY cards post-priests, it would be best for me to just do booster draft wouldn't it?
Absolutely. I find Draft to be one of the most fun formats because it is usually less competitive and serious in nature than the other formats. I'm also sure other people would be more than happy to lend you cards/decks for any format you want to play in. You are certainly welcome to anything in my collection. I usually build six Tier 1 decks for Type 1 every year for me and my brother, but I doubt he will come this year.
That's very kind and generous of you. I may just take you up on that. :D
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I would prefer August, but I think either might work.
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I would prefer August as well, however, I can recall lobbying hard for July a few weeks ago in New York. I feel like having it in July will force State and Regional tournaments to be bunched together, which is never fun.
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Awesome! However, I was just thinking. Since I don't have hardly ANY cards post-priests, it would be best for me to just do booster draft wouldn't it?
Absolutely. I find Draft to be one of the most fun formats because it is usually less competitive and serious in nature than the other formats. I'm also sure other people would be more than happy to lend you cards/decks for any format you want to play in. You are certainly welcome to anything in my collection. I usually build six Tier 1 decks for Type 1 every year for me and my brother, but I doubt he will come this year.
I think everyone will able to participate in at least 3 events. I highly recommend booster as one of those for you. However, as MKC already said, there should be plenty of people there willing to give/lend/trade you the cards you needs for a deck for any event, and if not, it's still fun to play pre-tin decks. :)
EDIT: Seriously considering travel, but flying is too expensive. Greyhound would be $90 each way, which is acceptable, but I would love to get in on a MN carpool discussion.
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I'd be willing to join a conversation about carpooling from MN. I don't have my summer plans solidified yet though, so it'll be awhile before I figure out if I'm going.
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I'll be skippig it if it's in July. Go August!
This might be the case for me as well. One of the main reasons I was lobbying for TN was because I'm going to be heading down there for school, so I could move in and be set up. Having to make two trips to TN would be a bit expensive, though depending on the carpool thread I might be able to make it out.
I would like to ask people to vote only if they are at risk of not being able to make the other date. I think the important thing is to get as many people to nationals as possible, so if it's just preference, please don't skew the results.
Also, my guess is that many people's school may be starting by the August date, so the July is probably better overall.
Third week of August is usually the earliest. We've had it on the second week of August quite a few times, and nobody has brought this up before (at least, not that I can remember)
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Just found out Count Founts birthday is also on July 26th. Can this Nationals get any cooler?
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Our whole youth group will be at NYR in Colorado from the end of July into the first week of August, so the later date is the only way we could attend.
And if I don't go then Zach Zeiss (IA) and Cody Cox (IA, MO) will not be going either. We'd really really like to be there this year :prayer:
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I understand the idea behind asking people what dates they prefer and part of me really likes it. The other part of me feels really bummed though that person X can't make it because person Y wants to have natz on national potato day.
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Actually, National Potato Day is the 19th of August.
Source. (http://www.punchbowl.com/holidays/national-potato-day)
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I think we should have a new poll, and specifically request that only people who can only make one date vote, to help get a better picture.
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Now I want Nats on National Potato Day.
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Now I want Nats on National Potato Day.
Someone needs to bring potatoes.
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I think we should have a new poll, and specifically request that only people who can only make one date vote, to help get a better picture.
I concur with this and have refrained from voting as I can potentially make either at this point.
Kirk
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I think we should have a new poll, and specifically request that only people who can only make one date vote, to help get a better picture.
I concur with this and have refrained from voting as I can potentially make either at this point.
+1
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I'm voting for the date that everyone who can beat me can't make.
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Also, my guess is that many people's school may be starting by the August date, so the July is probably better overall.
Third week of August is usually the earliest. We've had it on the second week of August quite a few times, and nobody has brought this up before (at least, not that I can remember)
But I do remember...
Looks like I can not make it. August 14th is first day of fall semester. Why do the second week in August when so much of our players are still in school? I realize dates can not please everyone, but why not try to please the majority? I would do it in the last week of July, that way students can come.
many states start school after Labor Day. For the rest of us, the second week of August is very bad timing.
Why have two nationals been on the second week...? Not enough educators on the boards?
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I'd be willing to bet that in 90% of the country, school starts the third week of August or later. YMT has stated he's not going to Nats regardless of location, so I'm not sure why his quote is even that relevant, and additionally, he is a teacher, meaning that he starts before students start school (which is what Hiatus is referring to, and frankly, I don't know of any colleges [including the Naval Academy] other than his that start the fall semester that early).
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The point is some people won't be able to go regardless of when it is. I don't think we should be measuring this based on preferences, but rather, attendance. There's a very good chance I can't attend if its in July, I know there are others who probably can't attend if its in July. Likewise, I know of at least two people who can't come if its in August.
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My school starts august 14th. :p
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YMT has stated he's not going to Nats regardless of location, so I'm not sure why his quote is even that relevant, ...
There are more people in Florida than just me. ;)
Many Florida counties start the first and second week of August, usually to have a vacation schedule that is different from the rest of the country (since everybody comes to Florida for vacation ;D ).
Whether I come or not, I am still allowed to vote, so I vote for July on behalf of my fellow Central Floridians.
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I can't come if its on National potato day so forget it. Bad analogy. ;)
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Whether I come or not, I am still allowed to vote, so I vote for July on behalf of my fellow Central Floridians.
With all due respect, you shouldn't vote if you don't plan to try to attend (if able). If other Central Floridians wish to have a say, they can easily register for this free service and then vote. If there is several of them who want to attend and can only make July, they could probably swing the vote a little towards July. However, until they register, I don't really think you should be able to vote in absentee for them whenever you have no intentions of attending Nationals either way. To me, that really defeats the purpose of trying to stage a vote to determine when people can make the National tournament. Should I vote in a poll to determine the date of the South East Regional if I have no intention of going to that Regional (even if my friend wished to go and such a poll existed)? No, because I do not plan on attending it or supporting it in anyway, thus, I don't really deserve a say on anything about the tournament.
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Many Florida counties start the first and second week of August, usually to have a vacation schedule that is different from the rest of the country (since everybody comes to Florida for vacation ;D ).
Maybe a side-effect of that is a really really weird meta game.
On a side note, aren't most (if not all) of the core (the people who go to Nats) Florida players out of school?
Whether I come or not, I am still allowed to vote, so I vote for July on behalf of my fellow Central Floridians.
With all due respect, you shouldn't vote if you don't plan to try to attend (if able). If other Central Floridians wish to have a say, they can easily register for this free service and then vote. If there is several of them who want to attend and can only make July, they could probably swing the vote a little towards July. However, until they register, I don't really think you should be able to vote in absentee for them whenever you have no intentions of attending Nationals either way. To me, that really defeats the purpose of trying to stage a vote to determine when people can make the National tournament. Should I vote in a poll to determine the date of the South East Regional if I have no intention of going to that Regional (even if my friend wished to go and such a poll existed)? No, because I do not plan on attending it or supporting it in anyway, thus, I don't really deserve a say on anything about the tournament.
I already have Sauce working on some new accounts. Expect to see some votes from AIex_Olijar, RawrIolsauce!, and TheHobblt13.
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With all due respect, you shouldn't vote if you don't plan to try to attend (if able).
With all due respect, I disagree. My vote is in.
On a side note, aren't most (if not all) of the core (the people who go to Nats) Florida players out of school?
All of my playgroup is in school, as they are less than 16 years old. Several are too young for their parents to allow a "free service" account on these boards.
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I'd be willing to bet that in 90% of the country, school starts the third week of August or later. YMT has stated he's not going to Nats regardless of location, so I'm not sure why his quote is even that relevant, and additionally, he is a teacher, meaning that he starts before students start school (which is what Hiatus is referring to, and frankly, I don't know of any colleges [including the Naval Academy] other than his that start the fall semester that early).
Fine, use me, the second week of August would likely knock me out. July would be 10,000 times better
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I can't come if its on National potato day so forget it. Bad analogy. ;)
Now thats just as unAmerican as not liking Apple Pie.
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On a side note, aren't most (if not all) of the core (the people who go to Nats) Florida players out of school?
All of my playgroup is in school, as they are less than 16 years old. Several are too young for their parents to allow a "free service" account on these boards.
Notice I said core players. Most people under 16 aren't going to travel to a nationals that isn't in a bordering state. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the only current Floridans who have been to nationals are RR and the Delarosas (all of whom are on the boards).
I'd be willing to bet that in 90% of the country, school starts the third week of August or later. YMT has stated he's not going to Nats regardless of location, so I'm not sure why his quote is even that relevant, and additionally, he is a teacher, meaning that he starts before students start school (which is what Hiatus is referring to, and frankly, I don't know of any colleges [including the Naval Academy] other than his that start the fall semester that early).
Fine, use me, the second week of August would likely knock me out. July would be 10,000 times better
Then vote July, you're in the same position as Alex and myself, just on the opposite side. The qualm here is people voting because the weather is nicer, even though they can make either date, or people just voting because polls are cool (even though they have no plan on attending Nats)
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The qualm here is people voting because the weather is nicer, even though they can make either date, or people just voting because polls are cool (even though they have no plan on attending Nats)
What is the basis for this statement?
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Notice I said core players. Most people under 16 aren't going to travel to a nationals that isn't in a bordering state.
I did notice, but a bunch of my younger players have relatives in TN, so they will be able to attend. That is the whole reason we have Nats in varying locales, so the RLKs from each region actually have hope of attending.
The qualm here is people voting because the weather is nicer, even though they can make either date, or people just voting because polls are cool (even though they have no plan on attending Nats)
That is an incorrect assumption about why I voted. See above.
I can't come if its on National potato day so forget it. Bad analogy. ;)
Now thats just as unAmerican as not liking Apple Pie.
So, when is Apple Pie Day?
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The qualm here is people voting because the weather is nicer, even though they can make either date, or people just voting because polls are cool (even though they have no plan on attending Nats)
What is the basis for this statement?
The first page. I have no idea who has voted for what, but if it could go either way and you want to have your birthday at nats, that's a pretty silly reason to keep people from going to nats*.
*I understand that no date is perfect, the point here is to find which brings more people, and if August truly is the one with more attendance then it shouldn't get unjustly shoved aside because of that. If it's July, I'll accept that, but voting just to vote is silly.
Notice I said core players. Most people under 16 aren't going to travel to a nationals that isn't in a bordering state.
I did notice, but a bunch of my younger players have relatives in TN, so they will be able to attend. That is the whole reason we have Nats in varying locales, so the RLKs from each region actually have hope of attending.
If they're accompanied by parents, they can certainly have their parents do it for them. It takes a whole 5 minutes.
The qualm here is people voting because the weather is nicer, even though they can make either date, or people just voting because polls are cool (even though they have no plan on attending Nats)
That is an incorrect assumption about why I voted. See above.
That comment wasn't directed at you (see above). I still disagree with voting for somebody else (popularity contests FTL), but I understand where you're coming from, and there's really not much I can do about it anyway (especially because people can't remove vote...why?)
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...Fine, use me, the second week of August would likely knock me out. July would be 10,000 times better
Then vote July, you're in the same position as Alex and myself, just on the opposite side. The qualm here is people voting because the weather is nicer, even though they can make either date, or people just voting because polls are cool (even though they have no plan on attending Nats)
I did. Not saying I cant go in August, but it would be really bad timing.
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If they're accompanied by parents, they can certainly have their parents do it for them. It takes a whole 5 minutes.
Many parents are not going to take the time to make an account for one vote, especially since they can just ask an established member to vote. It also takes time for a new account to be accepted, so 5 minutes is an exagerration.
people just voting because polls are cool (even though they have no plan on attending Nats)
That comment wasn't directed at you (see above).
The birthday people are going. I am the only one who said they were not going. How is this statement not directed at me?
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The first page. I have no idea who has voted for what, but if it could go either way and you want to have your birthday at nats, that's a pretty silly reason to keep people from going to nats*.
Thats a pretty bold statement to make when a) it was simply stated who's birthday is during which time frame and b) you have absolutely no idea behind my reason nor motivation for voting for whichever date I happened to choose. Lets be wary of making or implying completely unfounded assumptions. :-*
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If they're accompanied by parents, they can certainly have their parents do it for them. It takes a whole 5 minutes.
Or at least it would if this board didn't require accounts to be approved by an admin, which usually takes at least a week even though I see an admin online every day. That along is why I never made a troll account :(
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I did. Not saying I cant go in August, but it would be really bad timing.
+1 Same here.
If they're accompanied by parents, they can certainly have their parents do it for them. It takes a whole 5 minutes.
Or at least it would if this board didn't require accounts to be approved by an admin, which usually takes at least a week even though I see an admin online every day. That along is why I never made a troll account :(
Off topic here, but why DO we have to have account approval?
EDIT: Please don't double post.
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I can't come if its on National potato day so forget it. Bad analogy. ;)
Now thats just as unAmerican as not liking Apple Pie.
I reported you for that. Enjoy your vacation.
On an interesting note I actually voted on accident. I wanted to see the numbers and was just going to retract my poll (like the march madness ones) but I guess you can't. :-[
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We should all be basing our vote on National Que Day anyway.
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If they're accompanied by parents, they can certainly have their parents do it for them. It takes a whole 5 minutes.
Many parents are not going to take the time to make an account for one vote, especially since they can just ask an established member to vote. It also takes time for a new account to be accepted, so 5 minutes is an exagerration.
2 1/2 minutes to register, 2 1/2 minutes after the account has been approved. 5 minutes of your time spread out over a week. Additionally, if the parents are willing to schedule a family visit to TN for their child, I'm sure they don't mind making sure that it happens.
people just voting because polls are cool (even though they have no plan on attending Nats)
That comment wasn't directed at you (see above).
The birthday people are going. I am the only one who said they were not going. How is this statement not directed at me?
You're taking one excerpt of a post of mine. I understand that you aren't voting just because polls are cool, and I said that. If the statement was directed at you, I would have said voting for other people. This statement was more directed at the fact that 30 people have voted, and yet only 10 have said anything on the thread. Again, I don't know who voted for what, but I generally vote everytime I see a poll. Do I really need to vote on Ahimilek vs. Shamgar? No, but I do because it's fun.
The first page. I have no idea who has voted for what, but if it could go either way and you want to have your birthday at nats, that's a pretty silly reason to keep people from going to nats*.
Thats a pretty bold statement to make when a) it was simply stated who's birthday is during which time frame and b) you have absolutely no idea behind my reason nor motivation for voting for whichever date I happened to choose. Lets be wary of making or implying completely unfounded assumptions. :-*
As I said, I have no idea who voted for what, and if you voted for legitimate reasons, I'm fine with that, but if it could go either way and you vote just because, that's silly.
If they're accompanied by parents, they can certainly have their parents do it for them. It takes a whole 5 minutes.
Or at least it would if this board didn't require accounts to be approved by an admin, which usually takes at least a week even though I see an admin online every day. That along is why I never made a troll account :(
Off topic here, but why DO we have to have account approval?
So Sauce can't make accounts like RawrloIsauce!, Ring Wralth, and NotATroll.
I did. Not saying I cant go in August, but it would be really bad timing.
+1 Same here.
Totally understandable, and I'm fine with that. Timing is important, and it's why I'm voting for August.
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Off topic here, but why DO we have to have account approval?
To catch spambots mostly I think. Captcha doesn't catch all of them anymore, and for a spambot to get through a captcha that has more... adult content would be deadly.
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If they're accompanied by parents, they can certainly have their parents do it for them. It takes a whole 5 minutes.
Or at least it would if this board didn't require accounts to be approved by an admin, which usually takes at least a week even though I see an admin online every day. That along is why I never made a troll account :(
Off topic here, but why DO we have to have account approval?
So Sauce can't make accounts like RawrloIsauce!, Ring Wralth, and NotATroll.
So why can't we just delete these accounts when they start being bad? This extremely long wait time would be a serious deterrent from newcomers. Trust me, I know. I find sites I get excited by, but require email verification to use. By the time I get the verification email 1 - 2 days later, i've either forgot about it, or my excitement isn't peaked anymore and I've lost interest. Compare that to a week's wait time, and we have a serious problem.
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This statement was more directed at the fact that 30 people have voted, and yet only 10 have said anything on the thread.
I'll admit that I am one of the 30 that has voted. My reasons are not arbitrary either (though I am surprised that you can't change your mind on the vote...I voted a tad early on good faith that I could change my mind.) One of the dates could land me in hot water with my job if I try to make it...which I will seriously consider doing since I missed last year and there is no Regionals in sight of me. Two, the other date works perfectly with my family vacation since it is near my anniversary.
All that to say this: my playgroup can't go if I don't go, so I will STRONGLY encourage all of them to make an account and vote my way and attempt to tie this thing up. ;)
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I vote for August because I am on a mission trip on the July dates.
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I just confirmed my fear: my good friend's wedding is the 27th of July, so if its in July, I won't make it...hopefully that will swing some votes...in favor of August that is.
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I understand the poll getting reset to make the information clearer...but take out the dates available options please. This has become way too confusing. Also, Someone needs to change the main page and inform ALL OF THE 35 that voted yesterday that they need to revote...thanks...
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OK, so if I get this new voting scheme then:
A person who can ONLY come in July would click 1) July and 4) CAN'T in Aug
A person who can ONLY come in Aug would click 2) Aug and 3) CAN'T in July
A person who can come either but has a preference would click 5) Either & 1) or 2)
A person who doesn't have a preference at all would JUST click 5) Either
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OK, so if I get this new voting scheme then:
A person who can ONLY come in July would click 1) July and 4) CAN'T in Aug
A person who can ONLY come in Aug would click 2) Aug and 3) CAN'T in July
A person who can come either but has a preference would click 5) Either & 1) or 2)
A person who doesn't have a preference at all would JUST click 5) Either
I'm uncertain whether I can make July. Should I just check 2) Aug?
Thank you so much for doing this though.
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Hmmm.... my birthday is July 30th, so this would be a nice start... but I'm getting back from a mission trip to the Czech Republic only about a week earlier, which might cause some issues.... hmm...
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I think it would be best to take a pm poll. The options would still be listed in a thread but you must PM Rob, state your vote, and explain your vote. That way you can eliminate unitended/irrelevant biad towards a date and Rob can be the judge as to whether or not your reason is legitimate and only tally those votes.
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that would only take a lot of extra work...
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Not really as it would be a really restrictive statement like, " If you plan on attending Nationals and cannot make one of the dates listed PM Rob which date doesn't work for you." You don't even need a reason why or really an explanation (that was just the first idea that came to me). The point is the votes can be accounted for and you don't have rlks answering the poll because they like to answer polls. And so it would take 5 minutes to sift through the votes. Rob wouldn't even have to do it, it could be anybody trustworthy really. Otherwise people will inevitably feel slighted, regardless of whether or not the polls are legit.
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and if the voting is private people will feel slighted. and whats to stop RLKs from PMing rob the same way they vote in this poll. your method doesn't really solve anything, it just creates more work for Rob
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I like the new poll because it was created as an attempt to stop the arguing on why people were voting and if they had a right to vote.
So...um...."Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels." (2 Tim. 2:23)
Yeah. :P
IMHO, Rob is being super gracious not once but twice. Let's try not make this a headache for him because of the grace he is extending. :)
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Still disappointed to not see National Potato Day up there.
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didn't want to exclude the irish catholic crowd, they take their potatoes VERY seriously.
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Thanks Rob for changing the voting options. I appreciate your graciousness time and time again.
I think expanding the poll options this way makes it so much easier for Rob to determine when to hold nationals. Just the responses to the "I cannot make..." options along with the "I can make either date" option should provide all the answers Rob wanted. The first 2 choices are preference rather than availability.
Kirk
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Speaking of RLKs voting...
Poll that you can vote for multiple choices? Vote for ALL the options!
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I appreciate the changed voting options. I do have a minor issue in that I am a "registered" member of the site but my daughter, Rebeccah, is not. She is on a mission trip July 28 thru August 5th. I voted for her when I voted not the July time and cannot attend the second week in August. All that said, I personally will attend either date but do not know how to add that into the voting choices since I used my own vote for her preference? Of course I would far more enjoy the second August date as going with her is alot more desirable for me personally and she really wanted to try to defend her Nationals win from last year in sealed deck.
PS: Congratulations to Knoxville for getting the site!
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Correction to my post. I did vote choosing the August 9-11 date for Rebeccah and also the "cannot attend" July date. I did not know how to vote for myself but if I did it would be no preference as I can attend either date. Sorry but I am getting old and easily confused!!!! Allen
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INCONCEIVABLE!!!!!!!
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I am also on a Mission Trip during the July dates and will only be able to attend if it is on the August dates. Hoping to carpool with other Minnesotans if it is in fact on the August dates.
2 notes for August:
the August dates are actually earlier than the dates of the last 2 Nationals
The 2nd full week of August doesn't start until the 12th which is afterwards.
thanks
in Him
Chris
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well I hope it will be in the august date so I can see Chris Bany and Prof. Alstad at NATS.
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No one understands why the july dates are truly better. Kids are still out of school on the july dates. By the ninth most kids will be going back to school or already be back. And I also have something I would be willing to miss but do not want to miss on the 10th.
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My school doesn't start until the very end of August...
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No one understands why the july dates are truly better. Kids are still out of school on the july dates. By the ninth most kids will be going back to school or already be back. And I also have something I would be willing to miss but do not want to miss on the 10th.
I assure you that you don't understand the school system than myself, the numerous other teens and young adults on the boards, and indeed, not more than the handful of educators we have on the boards. You're simply not more well-read than all of us on this. Furthermore, more schools don't start back until the third or fourth week in August, and most colleges don't start until the fourth week. I know that early school times generally take place towards the south, and the earliest I ever encountered school starting was the last week of July in Arizona, however, these incidents are very few and far between. In general, your "statistics" are simply wrong.
At any rate, glad to see the August date getting more and more support.
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Most schools in your areas mayhaps. In the south school starts around the first or second week of august. I do not like it when people start talking to me about my area as if they know more. You don't know more about the south. So stop acting like it.
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So...um...."Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels." (2 Tim. 2:23)
Seems like a reminder could be useful here. :police:
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My schools (both K-12 and college) have never started before September. :P
I can't afford to travel to TN, though, so I won't be voting as I can't make the date no matter when it is.
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Most schools in your areas mayhaps. In the south school starts around the first or second week of august. I do not like it when people start talking to me about my area as if they know more. You don't know more about the south. So stop acting like it.
He's not talking about your area or the south specifically. He's talking about the nation. Schools in Northern-midwestern states most often do not start until last week of August-first week of September, and schools in western states often don't start until the third or fourth week in September. When you say "most kids" it is you who is excluding the majority of the country's population which lives north of the Mason-Dixon line; he was the one who conceded the point that often schools in the south do start earlier.
Yes, it is unfortunate that if Nationals is in August, then many people won't be able to attend for school or various reasons. However, many others also won't be able to attend if it is in July. That happens every year, and the tournament has been held in the first or second week of August ever since 2005.
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Since Nats is in the South, the school start dates of the south are weighted. However I can see both sides of this.
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If nats does end up being held on the August date, one option that may boost attendance is to have T1-2P on the last day (Saturday). I know that would go against previous schedules and would make the first two days "fluff" days and would make it a bit more difficult for travelers to get home before Sunday, but it would allow those in school to join the main event, if that group is really large enough.
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T1-2P on saturday would make it where I could not attend and play t1-2p.
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I can't afford to travel to TN, though, so I won't be voting as I can't make the date no matter when it is.
POOL PARTY! Carpool, that is...
No one understands why the july dates are truly better. Kids are still out of school on the july dates. By the ninth most kids will be going back to school or already be back. And I also have something I would be willing to miss but do not want to miss on the 10th.
If more people (kids included) are going to be gone in August than in July, so be it, but apparently there are a lot of adults and kids who can't make it to the July but can make it to August. That's kinda the purpose of this poll.
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No one understands why the july dates are truly better. Kids are still out of school on the july dates. By the ninth most kids will be going back to school or already be back. And I also have something I would be willing to miss but do not want to miss on the 10th.
I assure you that you don't understand the school system than myself, the numerous other teens and young adults on the boards, and indeed, not more than the handful of educators we have on the boards. You're simply not more well-read than all of us on this. Furthermore, more schools don't start back until the third or fourth week in August, and most colleges don't start until the fourth week. I know that early school times generally take place towards the south, and the earliest I ever encountered school starting was the last week of July in Arizona, however, these incidents are very few and far between. In general, your "statistics" are simply wrong.
At any rate, glad to see the August date getting more and more support.
Most colleges and universities around here start around the beginning of the first or second week of august. Of course we are just a bunch of backward hillbillies to the eastern culture ;-)
My biggest question is this: Why not make it a date before 90% or more of colleges start. If you made plans for that week, that means nationals wasn't more important. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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If nats does end up being held on the August date, one option that may boost attendance is to have T1-2P on the last day (Saturday). I know that would go against previous schedules and would make the first two days "fluff" days and would make it a bit more difficult for travelers to get home before Sunday, but it would allow those in school to join the main event, if that group is really large enough.
This wouldn't really solve the problem, I think that the schools that are starting are starting the week after Nats (so Nats would be held when people would be packing/moving in and you really can't do it) As it stands they might be able to attend Friday but saturday is pushing it. Freshman usually move in Friday or Saturday, Upperclassmen on Sunday, so Moving the biggest event to Saturday would just make things worse. However it was a good thought :)
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I am letting the poll play out. So, don't give up if you are pushing for July dates. Nevertheless, I am leaning toward August. Here are talking points:
TN public schools start Aug 6th. But, Aquinas College in Nashville where my son Scott attends starts back Aug 25th.
GA public schools start Aug 13th.
KY public schools start Aug 15th.
NC public schools start Aug 27th.
As has been cited, recent nationals have been held around the proposed August dates and that has worked fairly well.
Two people that I have come to rely on at Nationals, Chris Bany and Bryon Hake, cannot attend the tournament if we hold it in July. Both can attend if we hold it in Aug.
Most players like to see the new card set released at Nationals. I have just barely been able to meet that schedule in recent years. If we hold Nationals two to three weeks sooner, it will be less likely that I will be able to get the new cards in time for Nationals. I will try but ....
Nationals two to three weeks earlier also squeezes hosts to get in their state and regional events much sooner.
Again, I am not killing the option of July. I just want people to understand that there are more difficulties (at least for me) if we hold it in July.
To be candid, what I have really been watching for is an overwhelming majority of people that can only come in July, not in August - people like Brad Coverdale who I would like to give the opportunity to come if I can. But, at some point I have to choose. I hope the above is helpful in understanding what is going into my decision.
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Thank you for the update, Rob. I understand your struggle, trying to balance it out so the most people can come, and I think it's good that it looks like the table is leaning towards the direction that makes it easiest for you to handle.
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I am letting the poll play out. So, don't give up if you are pushing for July dates. Nevertheless, I am leaning toward August. Here are talking points:
TN public schools start Aug 6th. But, Aquinas College in Nashville where my son Scott attends starts back Aug 25th.
GA public schools start Aug 13th.
KY public schools start Aug 15th.
NC public schools start Aug 27th.
As has been cited, recent nationals have been held around the proposed August dates and that has worked fairly well.
Two people that I have come to rely on at Nationals, Chris Bany and Bryon Hake, cannot attend the tournament if we hold it in July. Both can attend if we hold it in Aug.
Most players like to see the new card set released at Nationals. I have just barely been able to meet that schedule in recent years. If we hold Nationals two to three weeks sooner, it will be less likely that I will be able to get the new cards in time for Nationals. I will try but ....
Nationals two to three weeks earlier also squeezes hosts to get in their state and regional events much sooner.
Again, I am not killing the option of July. I just want people to understand that there are more difficulties (at least for me) if we hold it in July.
To be candid, what I have really been watching for is an overwhelming majority of people that can only come in July, not in August - people like Brad Coverdale who I would like to give the opportunity to come if I can. But, at some point I have to choose. I hope the above is helpful in understanding what is going into my decision.
I want to see the new cards more than I care about going. Can I change my date to august? :D But in all seriousness, you probably shouldn't count my vote for july in the decision. While I would love to go, and the July date would really help my chances, I may not be able to raise the money for the trip.
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Eh Rob, there's always next year :P. By then God willing I'll be done with coursework and working on the dissertation...Dr. Coverdale is in sight...even though it seems miles away at times...Thanks again for your openness, sincerity, and generosity. This game wouldn't be what it is without you (even if you did create it :P).
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This is the last morning to vote, please do!
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This is to confirm that Nationals will be held Aug 9-11, 2012 in Knoxville, TN hosted by Chris Fachman at his church. More details to come soon.
Thank you to everyone who participated in the poll.
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This is to confirm that Nationals will be held Aug 9-11, 2012 in Knoxville, TN hosted by Chris Fachman at his church. More details to come soon.
Thank you to everyone who participated in the poll.
Mr. Anderson, on behalf of all of us in the great state of TN i would like to thank you so much for allowing Nationals to be held in TN this year :)