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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: christiangamer25 on September 06, 2011, 11:38:25 PM
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i have decided once again to pause playing this game cause right now i feel like it has devolved into a 2 deck game genesis or samuel neither of which appeal to me in anyway and defense is now a complete joke why even create evil cards anymore there 100 percent pointless. anyway im sorry but i can't handle this anymore right now even though i don't know why im writing this when its just gonna be locked and no one will truly care anyway i never have and never will matter to this community as a decent player. i question if i even matter as a person sometimes. but none the less im trying to be respectful im just in too much pain to continue would be nice if someone actually cared for me as a player besides rlk but that will never happen so for now goodbye and we'll see if i ever bother to return.
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you need to stop take a step back and stop taking this game so seriously. its a GAME. pretty unimportant when it comes to the grand scheme of pretty much everything in life.
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If you want to win, play the best decks. If you want to have fun, do whatever the heck you want. If you want to win and not have the best deck, then you'll be frustrated.
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lol well i see who missed the point any deck should be able to win at any time top deck structure is not good
balance is
period
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lol well i see who missed the point any deck should be able to win at any time top deck structure is not good
balance is
period
So my deck of 0/2 bucklers should be able to compete with the latest 2011 themes?
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Weren't you like 4th on ROOT this month?
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i question if i even matter as a person sometimes. but none the less im trying to be respectful im just in too much pain to continue would be nice if someone actually cared for me as a player but that will never happen so for now goodbye and we'll see if i ever bother to return.
I know I'm discussing this over facebook with you right now, but I'm bringing this to the forefront for other members. As much as people dislike your complaints about Redemption (in general, all complaints get -1'd), nobody thinks you don't matter. I'm sure of it. So, to all the other members, I think CG25 would appreciate it if you showed it.
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Dont fret my friend, this too shall pass. The reason everyone's playing the same cards right now is because they are new. It's hard to take a loss, especially when you work so hard at trying to win. I wish I could be more encouraging. Your friend from Georgia,
Clift Crysel
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I haven't played with the new cards yet just against them, but if those are the two top decks, then I would just make a deck that goes to stop each one of those. There has to be something that gives both of those problems.
But if the game is causing you more problems than bringing you joy, then a break is a great thing.
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lol well i see who missed the point any deck should be able to win at any time top deck structure is not good
balance is
period
OK, before I respond to this, know that you have friends here. You do have immense value, to us and to God. Jesus died for you! So if that doesn't make your value clear I don't know what will.
Now I need to comment on your statement here. If I understand your grammar correctly, you are under the impression that any deck should be able to win? Where is that written, either in any CCG or in life, period? Surely you don't expect a deck with one card from every brigade in the game to work as well as single-color, or that cards that don't have special abilities will win as much as cards that do. And this is coming from someone (myself) who has ranted for a LONG time about Speed, Dominants, Garden Tomb, Cannot be Negated, etc. And I also have come close to quitting over these issues.
But then I questioned why WINNING was so important to me. I started to make decks that don't have cards like New Jerusalem or Falling Away or Grapes of Wrath or Harvest Time, and I started to have fun again. I started to make fun decks like "Heroless" or "50 card Abom" or "Deck Destroy" (Discard deck), or "Super Zeb/Servant" or "Super Banding" (Offense and Defense) or "No Souls for You!" or "Self-Capture". (And Yes, competitive players will tell you that your decks are too big and that they "stink".) I have 18 real life decks now, so I've got immense variety at any given time. And now the game is FUN again, whether I win or lose. The neatest thing about it is that I have shown our other good local players just how much they rely on over-powered themes or cards, and that without those cards they are rather helpless. So you can become the pace-setter and example to your fellow players for them to focus more on fun and less on winning as well.
Are you really unable to have fun playing a game with fellow Christians just because you don't win? And if I understand what others said about your RTS games correctly, you DO win, but apparently just not enough for your liking. Also, what is with this great desire to be more repsected/appreciated "as a player"? You use that phrase twice in your OP. Has your goal become to be respected as one the top Redemption players? What about being respected "as a PERSON"? If this community in any way has fostered a desire within you to become the best PLAYER you can be, as opposed to the best CHRISTIAN you can be, then I apologize on behalf of all of us.
So my advice to you may be different from others. If you really can't enjoy the game without winning, then you SHOULD leave the game. Why invest your time and money into something that you find so painful? Moreover, it sounds like you might be allowing the game to foster some other problems. Questioning your self-worth because of Redemption? It's not worth that. Go and do something wholesome, preferably with other Christians, that brings you joy, and then come back to Redemption later for the FUN of it - not just to win.
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There is a guy in our playgroup that had been getting increasingly frustrated with losing to the point where he began to rage quit (he actually rage won once which was kinda funny because he thought he lost but didn't...anyway). We talked about it and he felt that no matter what he did, he was not able to win and he put such a high value on winning that it was eating him up from the inside out. He decided that from that point, his goal would not be to take things too seriously and just enjoy playing the game with friends, rather than focusing on bashing our skulls in Christian love. He is way more fun to play with now and he is actually winning now that he is not so focused on winning. I am not saying that will work for you, but it is certainly worth a shot. If you don't feel you can separate your competitive nature from the game of Redemption, then by all means; take a break. Praying for you and your decision...
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and he is actually winning now that he is not so focused on winning.
One of life's greatest ironies. This has happened to me several times.
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I don't mean to be a raincloud, but perhaps this break should be permanent. You've taken a step back quite a few times, and it's not working. Inevitably, you just get rage again when you come back. Do I want you to stop playing permanently? No, unless it's the best option available to you personally.
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i find taking a break and playing a different ccg for awhile to be both refreshing and help get a different perspective on things. redemption will feel new again when you come back. :)
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Whatever you do, don't take up poker. It depends too much on luck, has only one viable deck, and your opening draw can ruin your whole game. Oh, and Kings are OP.
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lol kittens that was actually funny kudos
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yeah i don't know i understand what people are saying but at the same time i still get the impression that all that matters in this community is being a top player other wise your an outcast that nobody pays attention to and quite frankly i don't wanna be shunned and blocked out anymore. i'd like to feel like im actually an integral part of something but i don't and as far as just following and also playing the genesis or samuel whatever is just something i find personally offensive no i don't intend that huge splah or no sa decks can win but i think a well thought out strategy like prophets etc should still be even with genesis etc but that however is not the case as to where the fault lies i have my thoughts. I however am not going to point fingers cause that will just upset people and cause more trouble. all i want right now is to be able to play the decks i enjoy which as mention have won vs high competition but i just feel like i'm still lacking something to be on the same lvl of respect as other people in this community and its not just my anger or uber compeititve nature.
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Then maybe your problem is with the boards, not Redemption.
And I know I'll be on the minority on this but... I don't think Samuel or Genesis will win, at least not the type of builds that people expect. I could be wrong, but that's what I predict. People will find counters, and include them, and the game will balance. :)
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doesn't change the fact were being force fed
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doesn't change the fact were being force fed
I don't understand. There are a LOT of viable deck ideas. Not to mention defense. You say it's not needed, but you couldn't be more wrong. Since so many offenses are similar, in your opinion, what is going to make a winner IS the defense. There will be decks that win more than 50% of the time, trust me. They're going to do that by having creative plays, good defenses that can block other Samuel/Joseph offenses in a mirror match and not making mistakes. This game is far from a 2-sided die.
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no theres not everything else was deliberately underpowered and joesph and samuel were made op on purpose to take away our free will in deck choice and force our choice in what we play
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thats what nationals came down to, who had tech in their deck against disciples and who didnt. darius' decree was seen at all top tables. the meta will try to find answers to joseph, samuel, and friends.
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no theres not everything else was deliberately underpowered and joesph and samuel were made op on purpose to take away our free will in deck choice and force our choice in what we play
Ok now I can't tell if you're joking. Bryon is not a communist. ;)
What do you mean underpowered? Do you even realize how good angels have become when paired with green and/or teal? Red/Purple has more draw than almost anything else now, and all sorts of new defenses are now viable. If you just want to vent, that's okay but you're not making sense here.
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compare them directly to genesis and samuel there inferior in speed and power
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im pretty sure samuel and joseph were made to help make archetypes that were underpowered more powerful in an attempt to decentralize the meta. problem is joseph was possibly made too powerful and he is in a theme that wasnt exactly truly underpowered, and the best use of samuel is not seen in a judges deck.
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maybe mkc maybe i just have put so much effort into ideas and to always be told im too slow is really frustrating
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thats primarily why cactus has been pushing to put characters that draw or net + 1's/2's/3's into every brigade, to try and help every slower brigade keep pace with every other brigade that had draw. it might have backfired though, as this expansion could have marked the return of the new pure speed deck (did gabe design the majority of this set...? :o).
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lol
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i get the impression that all that matters in this community is being a top player other wise your an outcast that nobody pays attention to
Not at all. Sauce is a complete noob who is a very respected member. ;)
And here I wanted Joe to be more powerful...oops...
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yeah i don't know i understand what people are saying but at the same time i still get the impression that all that matters in this community is being a top player other wise your an outcast that nobody pays attention to....
I'm not an outcast and I haven't won anything of significance in the Redemption world. I even got stomped by Rob Anderson's teenage daughter at Southeast Regionals, and she wasn't even paying attention to the game. She was reading/sending text messages. :o
Sometimes you just need to laugh at losing. It's very liberating.
Oh, and by the way, don't play on ROOT, because everyone plays the same deck. One week of ROOT was enough to make me ill.
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If it makes you feel any better, I'm terrible at Redemption. And if you would like a new friend I would be happy to comply. ;)
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We should start an online tournament for the ordinary - no one allowed who has placed in a National or Regional tournament.
I'll give you fair warning that you will need to prepare for my Deacon offense and Absalom's Soldiers defense.
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ok stopping this derail now please stick to topic
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I was. You are claiming that no one cares about people who are not "great players." You also are fed up with cookie-cutter decks. I am proving that there are people here that are not great players, but are still accepted and get occasional + 1's. Some of those same people like playing with ol'fashioned decks. I think that your perspective is limited to your experiences, which are not necessarily typical of the Redemption Community as a whole.
I want you to stay. I'll talk whenever you are up to it. I'll play you online with my throwback decks.
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Agreed. I'd love to play with you, without a top tier deck.
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yeah maybe i just also have the problem that only top tier matters and that top tier needs more balance then just 2 decks so im sorry but call me a hypocrit whatever i just try hard and feel like im underappreciated
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I have more important things to do than win. ;)
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yeah maybe i just also have the problem that only top tier matters and that top tier needs more balance then just 2 decks so im sorry but call me a hypocrit whatever i just try hard and feel like im underappreciated
I really do feel like you are taking people's whines about the new cards (not calling anyone out here, or saying that complaints aren't okay), and thinking that this meta will suck. It won't. And there will be more than 2 types of decks. Trust me, I'm a Dr.*
*I may or may not be a doctor.
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your dr who oh noes head explodes
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You are claiming that no one cares about people who are not "great players." ...I am proving that there are people here that are not great players, but are still accepted
I completely agree with YMT. Some of the people who I respect the most in Redemption (Rob, Roy, John Michaeliznshgtejv, Wild Bill, uthminister, YMT, etc.) are NOT known for being very successful players. I think that perhaps your own perspective puts too high a priority on winning, and you are mistakenly assuming that other people see things the same way.
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perhaps all i know is on a general basis a player like pol or kirk etc can ask something and get a long drawn out thread with lots of answers the only drawn out threads i get are when i snap like this one gee whats that say.
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Starting long, drawn out threads is NOT a good way to judge someone's level of respect or worth.
No offense to Kirk or Pol, who are also 2 guys who I have a lot of respect for (but NOT because they start long threads) :)
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Umm, I gotta say that I have seen this phenomenon myself, but I try not to take it personally. Certain people's posts, whether it be a ruling question, or a new card idea, or whatever, will get more views and replies just because of who posted it. I certainly don't see this as a reason to assume people don't like you as much, but it does happen. The only thing I would suggest in this regard is for players to read more than just certain players' posts, and if you realize that if such and such a player had posted it, you would have given it a + 1, then do the right thing and do the same regardless of author. We are supposed to be encouraging each other, and those + 1s do make a difference, even if it seems silly or trivial.
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I think if playing is frustrating, then a break is warranted. I will say that when I used to play a certain top selling CCG, there were plenty of people in my area who played, and I lost frequently, and shared the same frustration you are experiencing. After I became a Christian, and had the opportunity to play this great game, there is currently nobody in my area who plays, and I am feeling a strong frustration about not having a playgroup or face-to-face players to fellowship with (yes, I am working on getting involved with RTS...just need a good laptop!). I guess what I'm saying is, I know that I will now not take for granted the satisfaction of having a group to fellowship and play with if I get the opportunity (not saying that you do), and I would like to think that I would not let 'not winning enough' push me out of the game. Just the opposite, I would have great fun using off-beat decks to see how I could thwart the top tourney decks! +1 to all the posters who encourage the perspective of the "big picture" which is the fellowship, the discovery of your worth as a Christian (rather than a top game player), and most importantly, the opportunity to use the game to further His glory!
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I'll give you fair warning that you will need to prepare for my Deacon offense and Absalom's Soldiers defense.
Hey don't be hating I've won tourneys with a deck just like that :p
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I'll give you fair warning that you will need to prepare for my Deacon offense and Absalom's Soldiers defense.
Hey don't be hating I've won tourneys with a deck just like that :p
...three years ago.
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Hey Matt,
I know others have touched on the same idea I am posting about and that I have mentioned these things to you before on several occasions, but I felt it was important to mention them again.
As a follower of Christ, your identity is rooted in Him. Nothing else; not Redemption or video games or sports or anything else. You matter to God. He loves you so much. It doesn't matter how good you are at doing anything, because if we were held accountable to how good we could be, we would all fail. Instead God looks at the heart and only requires that we love Him through all that we think, say, and do, and through our love for Him, we naturally love others and follow the example Jesus set.
Take a temporary or permanent break from Redemption if you want or need to. But don't beat yourself up trying to make your performance in Redemption and your self-perceived notion of your image on the Redemption forums your priority in life. Look to Jesus and seek to bring Him glory.
We all love you as a dear brother in Christ. You have my number and can call me at any time.
Kirk
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You are claiming that no one cares about people who are not "great players." ...I am proving that there are people here that are not great players, but are still accepted
I completely agree with YMT. Some of the people who I respect the most in Redemption (Rob, Roy, John Michaeliznshgtejv, Wild Bill, uthminister, YMT, etc.) are NOT known for being very successful players. I think that perhaps your own perspective puts too high a priority on winning, and you are mistakenly assuming that other people see things the same way.
@ Prof Underwood: Wow...I don't think I have been brought up and then so quickly brought down in one single post...LOL!
@Kirk: I couldn't agree more with your sentiments.
@Matt: I am not known for being competitive in the sense that people fear me when they play me...quite the opposite I think. But people will remember the strange deck I played them with. This year at Nats I took a different approach and decided I wanted to win. I played the same deck a bunch of people did and was fairing pretty well initially but then the wheels came off. It all came back to whether I thought winning was the most important thing or simply using my time playing others to encourage and lift them up. I chose the later and had a wonderful time doing it. I remember playing you at Boston and I remember how much you wanted to win. I appreciate your competitive nature, but it also didn't seem like you were enjoying it that much. However, I do remember you working a camera and having a great time with that. Perhaps your call in the Redemption community isn't playing cards, but using your other talents for God's glory and the promotion of Redemption as a game. Just my $.02
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perhaps and ive entertained the thought i just wanna prove im good enough to hang with the big boys without stupid cookie cutter decks
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If you could hang 10 with the top decks with a non-top deck, you'd have accomplished a level of playing not even Gabe could dream of. That's simply not a realistic goal.
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perhaps and ive entertained the thought i just wanna prove im good enough to hang with the big boys without stupid cookie cutter decks
That is a great goal, but is it a means or an end? If it is the end, then you will end up frustrated and disappointed every time you don't succeed, and when you do, it may still be bittersweet. If it is a means (to bring glory to God, to enjoy your relationships with others, to enjoy the game for fun, etc), you can succeed whether or not the goal is met.
The question is, who do you want to be? Have you gotten the most satisfaction, experienced the most joy and friendship, felt the most alive when you beat everyone else with whatever deck you are using? Not everyone who competes becomes the best at their sport (think of all the baseball players in high school/college that don't make it to the big leagues). But there is a big difference between the athletes who didn't make it to the top and are bitter about and push away the people they love as they spend more and more hours trying to get better and the athletes who didn't make it to the top who then focus on making others better and blessing the lives of those less fortunate. I'm not saying you fall into either camp of the analogy... Just saying, it's worth thinking about.
For what it's worth, I enjoyed the couple of games I played with you a handful of months ago. When I start playing RTS again in the future, I hope you are still here so we can play, and that you are experiencing this game as God designed it to be experienced by you.
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Agreed. Here's a couple things I want to point out.
1. We're Christians. This means that we should see the inherent worth of every person based on the fact that he or she was created by God.
2. On the "ruling threads get answered" thing. The reason that Pol, Kirk, Gabe, and whoever else get mass amounts of responses is because they do crazy things that people may not have thought of and it turns into a big argument about semantics. I love those guys, but I hate semantics. Argh!
3. If the game is frustrating you, you need to quit doing what you're doing. Period. It's a -game-. Competitiveness is fine, but when it starts to become an obsession and takes the fun out of the game, then there's a big problem. I had this issue with a very popular video game that I play. I had to stop doing end-game content because the whole thing was stressing me out. After taking that step back, I enjoy the game 100% more than I did 4 months ago. Do people look down on me for it (it's not a Christian game like Redemption)? Yes. Do I really care? No. I play because I enjoy the game, not so that I can impress other people.
So seriously, if it's doin' this to you, take a step back, quit if you have to. It's not worth having a conniption over.
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Marti wins the thread...and without a cookie cutter post. :P
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If it makes you feel any better, I only got like 2 responses to by baby announcement thread.
On another note, I quit playing and I'm 100% glad that I did. As far as I'm concerned, the only good thing that came out of playing was being able to get to know some people that I otherwise would not have. Several of which I feel like I can call friends, even if I've never met them in person.
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If it makes you feel any better, I only got like 2 responses to by baby announcement thread.
In case I missed that thread....Congratulations :)
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On another note, I quit playing and I'm 100% glad that I did. As far as I'm concerned, the only good thing that came out of playing was being able to get to know some people that I otherwise would not have. Several of which I feel like I can call friends, even if I've never met them in person.
I agree with this sentiment. I really only play because of the people, not the game. I keep up because I'm competitive naturally, but if I wasn't, I probably wouldn't buy cards and would just come to tournaments to chill.
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yeah ok well this thread as been quite helpful im having more fun having sold my soul now anyway veiled reference to what im playing for people that know me personally haha anyway i appreciate all the support and care def not what i thought was gonna happen lol.
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yeah ok well this thread as been quite helpful im having more fun having sold my soul now anyway veiled reference to what im playing for people that know me personally haha anyway i appreciate all the support and care def not what i thought was gonna happen lol.
gld ur hppy ;D I thnk Psts tht r Agry gnrly get a ngtv rspnse. gld ths 1 ws Gvn sme attntn
(Glad you're Happy. I think Posts that are Angry Generally get an Anger or generally negative Response Which Generally are retorted by more Angry Etc. eventually leading to lockage, But I'm Glad The People in this thread Threw Water on the Fire , Not Gasoline)
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just read thru this again and the opinions do help but im still struggling ive built like 4 decks now and id still only ever trust 1 maybe 2 in a tourney is that wierd?
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No, its not weird, it's FUN! You'll know you have truly reached Redemption Nirvana when you bring a deck that has no chance of winning, but does bizarre things, to a tournament, just to see the reactions of your peers. Priceless :)
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No, its not weird, it's FUN! You'll know you have truly reached Redemption Nirvana when you bring a deck that has no chance of winning, but does bizarre things, to a tournament, just to see the reactions of your peers. Priceless :)
I did that at Nationals this year...it's incredibly fun.
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sounds lame to me tourneys are meant to be won to prove your better
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just read thru this again and the opinions do help but im still struggling ive built like 4 decks now and id still only ever trust 1 maybe 2 in a tourney is that wierd?
Not at all. I typically build 30-50 decks a year. When it comes time for high level tournaments there are only about 3-5 of those decks I'd consider playing.
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30-50 ? umm insert bleep im surprised gabe i thought you'd hit it out of the park first build cause your a redemption god
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Most top players build a ton of decks. Using every archetype yourself better enables you to counter them with your main deck.
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30-50 ? umm insert bleep im surprised gabe i thought you'd hit it out of the park first build cause your a redemption god
I'm human just like you. :) I do well and find things that are good through hard work and lots of testing.
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Matt
I totally agree with everything Capt Kirk said. Your value to God and us is based on who you are not how you perform. Incidentally the last time we played in NY I remember you winning that tournament. :)
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yeah i won that local i guess i just tend to forget the small victories cause im so focused on the bigger prize if this makes any sense. i just feel like if i could win on a big scale just once i would feel vindicated. funny thing is right now i just finished a rebuild of my deck that almost beat john right after he won nats in boston i lost 4-5 so who knows maybe this will be my year. im just kinda scared and afriad people are gonna judge me for my mistakes.
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yeah i won that local i guess i just tend to forget the small victories cause im so focused on the bigger prize if this makes any sense.
I think you should be really happy with any success that God has blessed you with. I have won a ton of Regional, State, District, and Local tournaments over the years, but I have never won Nats in anything (top finish of 4th place in T1-2p this summer). So should I be thankful for God's blessing me with good draws and good matchups all those times that I won, or should I be depressed because I've never won nats?
im just kinda scared and afriad people are gonna judge me for my mistakes.
Do people judge me because I've never won nats, or because I make mistakes sometimes, like forgetting that the attacking hero prevented my blocking character's SA (yeah I'm thinking of that game with you SomeKittens)? Yes of course they judge me. They judge me to be a less scary opponent than Gabe, and they don't assume that I'll play a flawless game every time.
But do they judge me as a person based on my wins and losses? Of course not. I think people's perception of me is probably based way more on how I present myself in conversations on this forum. And the people who actually know me well probably judge me based mostly on the time that we have spent together. And in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks of me, because my self-worth comes purely from the fact that the God of the universe created me and considers me worth dying for. It doesn't get any better than that.
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yeah everybody here is prolly right. i'm just highly sensitive i guess and i allow my emotions to be swayed when sometimes maybe i shouldn't i also do tend to assume alot and thats prolly wrong but alot of it is who i am. i will try to get better at these things but i'll never be perfect and i doubt im gonna become any less competitive. i just play for all the marbles and sometimes when i strip myself so bare of emotion and try to be such a robot and flawless when i do make mistakes everything hurts that much worse. again not sure if anyone understands what im trying to say here. But to be blunt i personally value beating a player like pol rdt etc once out of a 1000 times then i do winning 500 games vs lower ranked opponets. not sure if anyone here can conceive that or understand it. It is just how ive always been.
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The small victories are the best. I used to play a lot of RTS and played Gabe a lot. Needless to say he beat me a LOT, probably like a 70-30 split. But I beat him with a Panic Demon deck. No matter how bad I do, I will always remember that game. ;D (Although now that I think about it I think I SHOULD have won because I had an ec in Kingdoms of this World I forget about... can't remember though, Gabe probably will. ::))
That's what it's all about. Discarding a sog because they have no evil cards in hand with Pontius Pilate is better than winning a tournament. Learn to look for victories WITHIN your game. If you capture Joseph with Possessing Demon, it doesn't matter if you still win, your opponent's Joseph just got captured by Possessing Demon! Look for these cool things in every game, not about how the ls end up at the end.
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Whoever is -1'ing Cg25's post has no soul o_O
@ThunderSamurai I know! i love those moments when im thinking "Hes so going to Negate it", it works and you're like "Did i just get away with that" :miss:
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I screw up. A LOT. One life lesson that God has yet to teach me is that it's ok. I blew my chances at a placing at Nats this year, and it still haunts me. I don't know what to say....
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heh i still have more respect for you then i do myself right now randall you won ne regioals.
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I don't really feel special about it. It's certainly an achievement. Hopefully I can do it again
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heh i still have more respect for you then i do myself right now randall you won ne regioals.
I won nationals. I went to a local today. 1-2, totally got smashed. But hey, I beat a Samuel deck without Samuel in mine. ;D If you don't focus on winning, you'll have a lot more fun. Because it's not about winning.
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heh i still have more respect for you then i do myself right now randall you won ne regioals.
I won nationals. I went to a local today. 1-2, totally got smashed. But hey, I beat a Samuel deck without Samuel in mine. ;D If you don't focus on winning, you'll have a lot more fun. Because it's not about winning.
Its not about winning, its about finding a way have Que Hold Buckler
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hmm i don't know i effectively have 3 decks right now and while yes i can enjoy any of them i just feel like there inferior and that everybody is just secretly making fun of me for not following the stupid genesis samuel party. is it so wrong to want to actually enjoy a game instead of winning with no effort genesis and samuel are strats a child can handle and not screw up. these are my feelings and every game i play just reenforces this.
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is it so wrong to want to actually enjoy a game instead of winning with no effort
No it isn't. Is it wrong to continually whine about Genesis and Samuel decks? Maybe :)
My point is just play the decks that you have fun playing, and don't worry about whether you win or what the other person is playing.
Note to self: it is probably equally wrong to continually whine about TGT, and I should not worry so much about that card either.
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your obviously missing the point. im judged based on my performance. by not being a nats champion im less worthy as a player to this entire community the person part is whatever my issue is how people view me as a player and in that regard everyone here prolly agrees i suck cause i don't play speed and i don't use cheap tactics that don't let an opponet respond.im sorry if i like a fair fight but this game is beyond that being possible its all about 1 sided control/ speed decks with any counters being too slow to matter. or ruining the themes i try to enjoy so fine people want me to shut up then i will ill totally dissapear and never be heard from again im sorry to everyone i hurt and im sorry it has to end like this but i know when im not wanted to play anymore.
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im judged based on my performance. by not being a nats champion im less worthy as a player to this entire community
I have told you this TIME and TIME again over AIM... This simply IS. NOT. TRUE! I don't even PLAY at tournaments, yet I feel welcomed and respected here.
However, since it seems me telling you this has no effect, I will highlight this so that you can hear from everyone ELSE.
Other members, I beg you to show Matt that this is not the case. This is one of the biggest issues that causes Matt to feel angry, unwanted, and just depressed.
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Matt, judging from your time stamp, did you stay up all night? That is not healthy. I hope you get some rest, and FWIW I tried to encourage you last night that your decks have potential, to have fun testing and tweaking them. (In fact, I may borrow one of your deck's ideas if you don't mind.) If you can't do that, then temporarily not playing may help you to get some rest and a fresh perspective. I hope that you find the peace and acceptance that only God can give. :)
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Other members, I beg you to show Matt that this is not the case. This is one of the biggest issues that causes Matt to feel angry, unwanted, and just depressed.
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OK, I can't be silent about this anymore. The biggest reason that this person feels angry, unwanted and depressed is HIMSELF. I gave this person my full support and encouragement on the first page of this thread, reminding him that Jesus died for him so his value to God and to us is beyond measure. For SIX PAGES now others have done the same. Now compare the OP's recent threads to what he said at the beginning. Where is the growth? We are told by him that we make good points, he admits to his faults, and he then goes on to whine some more. (I know that's harsh, but I don't know what else to call it after 6 pages of unheeded encouragement.) Angry, unwanted and depressed because of Redemption?! This is why I advised from the beginning that he stop playing. He seems unable to enjoy the game without lamenting over what others think about him and accusing the winners of using "cheap" tactics.
I tried the "warm fuzzy" approach and it fell on deaf ears. Time for some "tough love" and straight talk, in my humble opinion.
(And now I will be - 1 to death as the "bad guy". That's OK - I can take it.)
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ok just to set the record straight its not that i don't understand i just have alot of issues this is not as cut and dry as maybe the thread seems to make it im slowly working thru them but this is very hard and i know you all care but mostly for me as a fellow christian which while thats grand and im not gonna say i don't much love and appreciate that cause i do love it the problem is my lvl of skill as a player is far below where i wamt it to be and thats what has me whacked out yeah maybe i need to just let it go but im sorry not that easy so attack me all you want it doesn't help
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My brother lost his battle against clinical depression, so I have nothing but sympathy and love for you, and I will pray for you. If you are suffering from mental illness then please seek medical attention while your friends and family continue to offer their support, as we are doing right here. I'm not trying to attack you, but rather to help you. And it seems to me, and to others, that you really need to step away from Redemption for a while and focus on more important matters. I'm here if you ever need to "chat".
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It's not true. In fact, I HATE Gabe, Bryon, and all the other good players. They drive me nuts.*
*This is less than 0% true. ;D
The point is, you are NOT judged on your performance. I can honestly say that I in NO, NO, NO way judge a player by his accomplishments. In fact I have a lot more respect for players who play with original decks and don't win, than those who build decks just to win. You are welcomed no matter how terribly you play. If this wasn't true, I'd be sitting at home with my 100+ card deck with beast from the earth wondering why I can't win. ;)
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You are never judged by how you preform or by how you choose to play. As many know I play by just being all around dumb and making decks that make no sense for example Goat with Horn + Goat with Horn enhans x3 in the same deck, Deacons, Pioneering Gates of Hell Decks or winning Sealed Deck at 2010 nats with 3 Prophets packs. Do people call me crazy? Yeah they sure do. Do I still have fun playing the game? You bet I do!
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Steff, this therapist gives you +1
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perhaps but how do you guys get rid of that irrevocable feeling of what if that you caused the loss by not being good enough. is this really only just me dealing with these issues.
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perhaps but how do you guys get rid of that irrevocable feeling of what if that you caused the loss by not being good enough.
#1 - When I lose, it is usually because I made a mistake that cost me the game. I recognize the mistake and appreciate that I had the opportunity to learn from that mistake so that I won't make it again later in a more important game.
#2 - When I lose and can't point to any mistakes, it is usually because my opponent just got an incredible draw, and I chalk that up to randomness or the will of God. Neither of those are in my control, so I don't feel badly about them at all.
#3 - When I lose consistently to the same person, I do conclude that I am not as good of a Redemption player as they are. However, that has nothing to do with my overall self-worth. Therefore, I don't even question whether I am "good enough" as a person, because it is irrelevant. Instead I just accept that they are a better player than I am, and consider it an honor to get to play them and learn from their expertise. I also focus on becoming friends with that person so that our relationship is broader than simply being about them trouncing me all the time :)
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perhaps but how do you guys get rid of that irrevocable feeling of what if that you caused the loss by not being good enough. is this really only just me dealing with these issues.
Yes, it is just you. For the rest of us, the feeling is revocable. ;)
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perhaps but how do you guys get rid of that irrevocable feeling of what if that you caused the loss by not being good enough.
#1 - When I lose, it is usually because I made a mistake that cost me the game. I recognize the mistake and appreciate that I had the opportunity to learn from that mistake so that I won't make it again later in a more important game.
#2 - When I lose and can't point to any mistakes, it is usually because my opponent just got an incredible draw, and I chalk that up to randomness or the will of God. Neither of those are in my control, so I don't feel badly about them at all.
#3 - When I lose consistently to the same person, I do conclude that I am not as good of a Redemption player as they are. However, that has nothing to do with my overall self-worth. Therefore, I don't even question whether I am "good enough" as a person, because it is irrelevant. Instead I just accept that they are a better player than I am, and consider it an honor to get to play them and learn from their expertise. I also focus on becoming friends with that person so that our relationship is broader than simply being about them trouncing me all the time :)
#4 Some people stack their decks with buckler, which is completely unfair. ;)
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Remember, it doesn't meany anything about you as a person, or how others judge you. #1's good advice. Make sure to see what you can do to do better.
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yeah 0-5 is a mistake a mistake called a retarded deck i shoulda never built cause im a moron
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Just because you lost doesn't mean you're a moron. I went to my first tournament with a 100+ card deck. It had cards from almost every brigade in it. I won one game. That doesn't mean I'm a moron. At least, I don't think so ???
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point is top players don't ever lose 0-5
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point is top players don't ever lose 0-5
Top players have bad draws too, like where every hero is on the bottom of their deck. "Time and chance happen to them all."
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point is top players don't ever lose 0-5
Ok now you're just saying things you have no idea about. We're telling you the truth. It's up to you to be open. If you're not willing to listen, that's okay. Maybe Redemption is not for you. But you're acting like top players always win, you always lose and so do other novices, and top strategies always win. This is all wrong. Seriously.
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then prove it show me where gabe kirk pol ever lose more then maybe once in a blue moon
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Nationals. Gabe didn't even place. Which means he lost more than once. Pol didn't place either I don't think, if so he didn't take first. And Kirk is the MASTER of 3rd place, he'll tell you that. 3rd Place 3 years in a row. So yeah, it's true. They lost more than you think. And they have COUNTLESS losses until their deck is to the point that it is when they compete at nationals.
And I lose all the time, but I won multi so that doesn't count. ;)
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hmm what did gabe place in t1
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Not sure. Not top 3 though.
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hmm what did gabe place in t1
8th.
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then prove it show me where gabe kirk pol ever lose more then maybe once in a blue moon
I know for a fact that he went from a 4-0 lead against a player using orange (who'd been playing less than a year) to a 5-4 loss.
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Forgive me if this seems Blunt... but it seems you DONT WANT to have fun and You are Arguing FOR the fact that You're a Moron (Which You're not[Making a deck that loses 5-0 is actually a good thing-the only way you can go from there is up :)!). This Thread seems like you have already made up your decision, I RARELY have seen a thread this big for a Unhappy/Angery/Unsatisfied post and it seems you have the least cooperative response ive seen on this forum. Trying to Convince you seems to be like trying to light a fire on the Ocean Floor
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ok if your trying to confuse me you suicceeded warrior
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English: You're asking for help you truly don't want.
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English: You're asking for help you truly don't want.
No need to -1. He's right.
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I think that all that needs to be said has been said and to avoid this devolving into something worse I will lock it. Please feel free to continue this conversation via PMs if you all would like, but this thread has reached the point where it has provided all of the good it can.