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Title: YANKEES RULE!!!!!
Post by: 12tipton3 on May 10, 2010, 11:59:08 PM
As an avid Yankees fan, i thought that i should make a post dedicated to them! so post about your feelings for the yankees. (good and bad is accepted) LET"S GO YANKS!!!!
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Post by: Professoralstad on May 11, 2010, 12:04:34 AM
I am of the opinion that 98% of Yankee fans are either:
A) From New York, or have a very close connection to it, so they are the home team for them. B) Not really avid baseball fans, except that they know the Yankees are the team that wins the most, so they join the bandwagon.
Pretty much any other baseball fan that I know of despises them. Especially in Minnesota, where we have arguably the best "small market" team of the past several years that routinely gets beaten by Steinbrenner's money in the playoffs.
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Post by: redemption99 on May 11, 2010, 01:26:07 AM
Boo!
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Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 11, 2010, 01:27:08 AM
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Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on May 11, 2010, 07:47:00 AM
1050% of Yankees fans are 1.) People who live in New York, but want to win so they jump with the Yankees instead of the Mets. 2.) People who don't really like baseball and like winning, so they jump on the bandwagon. 3.) Jorge Posada's son.
Especially in Minnesota, where we have arguably the best "small market" team of the past several years that routinely gets beaten by Steinbrenner's money in the playoffs.
Not any more ;). We'll be spending more than the Cardinals and Dodgers in the upcoming years.
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Post by: TheMarti on May 11, 2010, 08:43:29 AM
Hey, hey, hey.... I'm a Yankees fan, bored and bred. Yes, I'm from NY, but my whole family has always liked the Yankees... also, you guys that complain about a bandwagon, until last year, they hadn't won a world series in like 8 or 9 years (I didn't sleep enough and I'm too lazy to check, I believe its 2001).
Real Yankees fans like the team even when they aren't doing well. But those bandwagon people drive me nuts too.
~Marti
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Post by: redemption101 on May 11, 2010, 09:13:31 AM
I liked the yankees till all the steriods users were revealed. Then i stopped liking baseball.
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Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on May 11, 2010, 10:56:08 AM
I really love the world series argument, it seems to be brought up every time theres one of these threads. At least the Yanks have made the playoff's every year this decade except 08. And if you think 8 years is a long time, call all the Twins, (91) Reds (90), A's (89) and oh, yes, the Cubs fans (1908)
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Post by: TheMarti on May 11, 2010, 11:02:24 AM
I'm not saying it's a long time. My point is that if they really "bought the team" or whatever people say, wouldn't you hope that would mean they'd always go.
And every time someone brings up the Cubs my heart goes "oh, those poor Cubs.." People who like the Chicago Cubs have to be the truest fans ever. Someday, you will win again! lol.
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Post by: TechnoEthicist on May 11, 2010, 12:08:35 PM
The Cleveland Indians would like to talk with you as well for World Series wins...(1948)....
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Post by: STAMP on May 11, 2010, 01:07:45 PM
Dodgers...1988... :-\
Title: Re: YANKEES RULE!!!!!
Post by: Sean on May 11, 2010, 01:11:52 PM
Fact: Yankees do not make playoffs as much if they had the same payroll as Twins. Fact.
Fact: Daniel should play fantasy baseball with us next season. Fact.
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Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 11, 2010, 01:32:40 PM
I liked the yankees till all the steriods users were revealed. Then i stopped liking baseball.
Ya know, I wanted to play professional baseball...But I don't like needles.
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Post by: Good Samaritan on May 11, 2010, 03:12:19 PM
Heres my opinion of the Yankees and a picture of my new shirt. (https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frlv.zcache.com%2Fyankee_hater_tshirt-p235817195716236107trlf_400.jpg&hash=a9ce989e7f8ab03ee044f5956ea2b9228525da42)
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Post by: Mr.Hiatus on May 11, 2010, 05:02:05 PM
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Yankees do not make playoffs as much if they had the same payroll as Twins. Fact.
There is no way that is a fact. Since their payroll is not that low, and has not been in a long time, it is not proven, just a theory.
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Post by: Sean on May 11, 2010, 05:11:27 PM
Twins total payroll is $87.235 million this year (http://www.twinkietown.com/2010/1/20/1261404/minnesota-twins-2010-payroll) Yankees payroll is $206,333,389 this year (http://www.examiner.com/x-2566-Sports-Business-Examiner~y2010m4d16-2010-New-York-Yankees-payroll)
Here is the payroll list (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=oak) Here is the list of World Series winners (http://espn.go.com/mlb/worldseries/history/winners) The trend is that the teams who spend more money win more often.
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Post by: YourMathTeacher on May 11, 2010, 05:16:57 PM
FYI, Samaritan, that shirt was from South Carolina and had nothing to do with baseball.
Regarding the New York Yankees, as a lifelong Red Sox fan, I have a rather storied history of feelings. Up until 2004, the feelings were always the same "Here we go again" sigh. I remember the 1978 one-game playoff (and the Red Sox collapse prior to that game being necessary). That game was much like every game. Something bad would happen and deep inside I just knew we were going to lose - simple things like runner on third with no outs but noone scores, Yankee batter beats the throw to first, catcher drops a pop-up in foul territory, etc. I could just see it coming and it was an awful feeling.
The 2003 Division Series was just like that. As soon as the manager walked away from the mound leaving Pedro in the game, I knew we were going to lose. Another awful feeling.
The 2004 Division Series was so utterly shocking that I can hardly believe it even today. Like most Red Sox fans, I just kept waiting for the dream to collapse - a Bill Buckner moment or a Bucky Dent home run. But it didn't happen. We came back from 3-0 against the Yankees to go to the World Series. That was a good feeling - sweet redemption for years of misery.
After 2004, every game was more tense because we finally believed we could actually beat the Yankees when it mattered. One mistake was no longer the end. We could come back. We could relive 2004 all over again.
The interesting part is that Yankees fans seemed to always be arrogant towards Red Sox fans prior to 2004. Frankly, we had no response. Now there is still a rivalry, but it comes with a mutual respect that we both can win the big games at any time. Now, when something bad happens, even Yankees fans get that awful feeling inside.
Now we're equal.
Title: Re: YANKEES RULE!!!!!
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on May 11, 2010, 05:23:49 PM
Twins payroll 2009- $65,299,266 Twins payroll 2010- $97,559,167 They went to the playoffs last year with that short of a budget, got swept by the yanks, but hey, they went. Now they bumped up to almost 100,000,000.
Title: Re: YANKEES RULE!!!!!
Post by: Sean on May 11, 2010, 05:26:09 PM
Twins payroll 2009- $65,299,266 Twins payroll 2010- $97,559,167 They went to the playoffs last year with that short of a budget, got swept by the yanks, but hey, they went. Now they bumped up to almost 100,000,000.
Your numbers are false. Check edit for links.
Title: Re: YANKEES RULE!!!!!
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on May 11, 2010, 05:32:22 PM
Here is a quote from your payroll list.
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Note:Team salaries do not represent full team payroll. Amount listed includes current salary for all players currently on the roster.
I think your list came before opening day, or before final roster. Here is mine, from opening day. http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrumors/a/2010baseballteampayrolls.htm (http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrumors/a/2010baseballteampayrolls.htm)
Title: Re: YANKEES RULE!!!!!
Post by: Good Samaritan on May 11, 2010, 06:10:14 PM
Yankees do not make playoffs as much if they had the same payroll as Twins. Fact.
There is no way that is a fact. Since their payroll is not that low, and has not been in a long time, it is not proven, just a theory.
FACT: New York Yankee's payroll:237million this year,its usally always in the 200millions.
Title: Re: YANKEES RULE!!!!!
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on May 11, 2010, 07:06:15 PM
What's your team samaritan?
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Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on May 11, 2010, 07:07:57 PM
He's from Maryland - I'm guessing he's not an O's fan, and even if he is, he won't admit it because they're horrific. PA gives him Phillies or Pirates, I'm guessing Phils. Outside shot he's a Nats fan.
Title: Re: YANKEES RULE!!!!!
Post by: New Raven BR on May 11, 2010, 07:09:39 PM
As an avid Yankees fan, i thought that i should make a post dedicated to them! so post about your feelings for the yankees. (good and bad is accepted) LET"S GO YANKS!!!!
YANKEES STINK!! GO RED SOX!!! and as of now, this thread is totally 100% grade A Repetitive
Title: Re: YANKEES RULE!!!!!
Post by: Good Samaritan on May 11, 2010, 07:11:40 PM
He's from Maryland - I'm guessing he's not an O's fan, and even if he is, he won't admit it because they're horrific. PA gives him Phillies or Pirates, I'm guessing Phils. Outside shot he's a Nats fan.
As an avid Yankees fan, i thought that i should make a post dedicated to them! so post about your feelings for the yankees. (good and bad is accepted) LET"S GO YANKS!!!!
YANKEES STINK!! GO RED SOX!!! and as of now, this thread is totally 100% grade A Repetitive
Awesome,you gota brain!
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Post by: New Raven BR on May 11, 2010, 07:16:11 PM
and i see you can double post as much as anybody else ;)
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Post by: Good Samaritan on May 11, 2010, 07:25:01 PM
Hmm... maybe
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Post by: Sean on May 11, 2010, 07:36:49 PM
The Orioles are my favorite team. Always have been, always will be. Go O's!
Title: Re: YANKEES RULE!!!!!
Post by: Good Samaritan on May 11, 2010, 07:41:30 PM
Note:Team salaries do not represent full team payroll. Amount listed includes current salary for all players currently on the roster.
I think your list came before opening day, or before final roster. Here is mine, from opening day. http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrumors/a/2010baseballteampayrolls.htm (http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrumors/a/2010baseballteampayrolls.htm)
Regardless of which list is correct, the point still stands and you can't deny that the teams that spend the most money win more than half the time. If you think the Yankees' spending the most money and winning so many WS is a coincidence you are lying to yourself.
Teixiera is a case and point unto himself. He was MD born and an Orioles fan growing up. He was quoted as saying he would love to play for his childhood team. When the opportunity arose he turned it down to play for the Yankees. Sentimentality must not have been worth as much as the paycheck. His presence in the lineup greatly increases the quality of that lineup and you'd be hard pressed to find any baseball writer/reporter that would tell you Teixeira's move to the Yankees wasn't an integral part of their winning the WS last year.
Why spend so much money if you don't think it is going to get you wins? Its clear that the Yankees believe in the principle. It is laughable that their fans do not.
Title: Re: YANKEES RULE!!!!!
Post by: hi123 on May 12, 2010, 08:06:12 AM
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Post by: YourMathTeacher on May 12, 2010, 09:06:39 AM
The other thread got locked while I was typing this, so I moved it here:
I have been to plenty of Yankees games, in 3 different states, NY, GA, and FL, and I have never heard a chant of the opposite team stinks, or a certain player stinks coming from the Yankee fans. Yet every time I watch a Boston Red Sox game on TV against the Yanks, I hear the same chant- Jeter stinks, or whoever. If anything the Yank fans boo their own team more than the opposite- this season with Javier Vazquez, but that's about it. I would call Boston fans more arrogant than Yankees.
Hmmmm.... try wearing a Red Sox jersey in those states. ;)
I was walking with my family at The Magic Kingdom, wearing my Red Sox jersey. There was a popcorn vendor in front of Cinderella's castle that I just happened to pass. The Disney worker yelled out across the walkway "Red Sox suck!" My son looked at me and said "Why did she say that?" I walked over to the vendor, not saying a word, looked at her nametag, and went back to my family. I told my son, "Her nametag says she is from New York." He shrugged and said, "Oh, I didn't know Yankees fans worked at Disney World."
As I said in a different thread, I've been a Red Sox fan longer than most have you have been alive. I've gone to games in many states myself - FL, MA, NY, DC, MD, PA and minor league games in NH, ME, CT, FL. Yankees fans do the same thing that you claim Red Sox fans do. And, frankly, Rays fans do the same thing, too. In fact, Ohio State fans do that to Michigan fans (and vice versa), Celtics fans do that to Lakers fans, Duke fans do that to North Carolina fans, Manchester Memorial High School fans do that to Manchester West High School fans, etc. etc. etc.
With that said, there is no doubt that there are arrogant Red Sox fans. I have to sit next to them, remember. I've walked Yawkey Way after a game at Fenway and seen all the vendors selling "Yankee Hater" shirts. But, I've also walked the breezeways of Yankee Stadium, Camden Yards, and Tropicana Field and the vendors there sell the same kinds of shirts except with "Red Sox" instead.
The good news is, that most fans are not arrogant, as long as you aren't either. I sit quietly in my Red Sox jersey and I have no problems. In the other thread I clarified that Yankees fans are much more respectful since 2004. Before that, they had no reason to fear the Red Sox. However, when arrogant Yankees fans clash with arrogant Red Sox fans, the end result is never pretty.
Some of my best friends here in Florida are Yankees fans. We just talk about baseball. No finger pointing, or "ring" flashing. Just baseball. Those are good talks. Last Christmas I went to a sports store to buy one of them a Yankees jersey, since he had been giving me rides to work every morning. My son was with me. "Dad, why are buying a Yankees shirt?" I smiled and said, "This is for the nice gentleman that picks me up every morning." He looked confused and said, "He's a Yankees fan? But I thought they hated us." The store worker then laughed. "Not all Yankees fans are like the ones that say mean things to us. They just take the game too seriously."
As we were walking away, I stopped outside the store and said, "Now I need you to make me a promise." My son said, "OK. What is it?" I looked him sternly in the eyes and said, "You can never tell anyone in New England that I bought a Yankees jersey."
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Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 12, 2010, 09:53:14 AM
BWHAHAHAHAHA! *sends letters to all the NJ peoples* ;)
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Post by: Mr.Hiatus on May 12, 2010, 11:53:02 AM
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Why spend so much money if you don't think it is going to get you wins? Its clear that the Yankees believe in the principle. It is laughable that their fans do not.
I know it is the biggest factor in their success, I was just saying the Twins have increased payroll significantly, and I am wondering how they will fare in the playoffs. And YMT great story, and I agree with your points.
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Post by: 12tipton3 on May 12, 2010, 11:05:22 PM
what? i am surprised there are not more yankees fans! :'(
okay. here are facts. 1. if the yankees aren't supposed to win, then what is the point of playing? at the end would you like the umpire to say, "that's game. its a tie." (this would of course happen after your favorite team just scored 14-15 runs.) if we aren't supposed to win, then we shouldn't play. and what fun is that?
2. Alex Rodrigez took steroids once. he admitted it and he ONLY took the steroids when he was part of the rangers. wheather you guys believe this or not, it is true, the yankees made sure he was clean. brian roberts took steroids more then once, but you don't mention that nearly as much.
3. the yankees have money because of the large fan base of new york/new jersey and northern md. if teams can't spend money, then what is the point of the draft. 2 years ago, the orioles spent more then the yankees. it just didn't work out for them.
4. yankees are hated because of jelousy. (which is why people try to find reasons to hate them. people don't like to admit being jelous.)
5. A-Rod is a Christian. if a former steroid user walked into your church, would you turn them down because they used steroids?
6. people need to stop tearing down the yankees. the truth is, people want yankees players on their team. E.X. Mark tiexera, was part of another team before he came to the yankees. he was born in md. orioles fans didn't mind. eventually he became a free agent and signed with the yankees. all of a sudden he is labeled as a bad guy from o's fans.
7. the yankees don't spend nearly as much money as people think. most of the players came up through the farm system. (for those of you who don't know what this is, this is the process of developing your talent after collage and working your way through the minor league ranks.)
all of the above is true. just depends on what team you like. i like the yankees and always will. i was not born in new york or new jersey, i just like the yankees. (and no. it is not because they win. they are a part of america's history more then any other team.)
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Post by: Mr.Hiatus on May 13, 2010, 12:40:35 AM
You just became my favorite board member.
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Post by: 12tipton3 on May 13, 2010, 10:10:05 AM
awesome!!!! :)
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Post by: Sean on May 13, 2010, 10:42:40 AM
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all of the above is true.
You're a comedian now? You're bias is so obvious.
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1. if the yankees aren't supposed to win, then what is the point of playing? at the end would you like the umpire to say, "that's game. its a tie." (this would of course happen after your favorite team just scored 14-15 runs.) if we aren't supposed to win, then we shouldn't play. and what fun is that?
You misunderstand the argument about money spent. Nobody is faulting anybody for trying to win. Nobody is faulting certain teams for spending X amount of money. The argument is that the teams that spend the most money win more even though the teams that spend less are trying just as hard to win. (except the Pirates)
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2. Alex Rodrigez took steroids once. he admitted it and he ONLY took the steroids when he was part of the rangers. wheather you guys believe this or not, it is true, the yankees made sure he was clean. brian roberts took steroids more then once, but you don't mention that nearly as much.
You don't know how much steroids ARod used. You can believe what he said, but that doesn't mean its the whole truth. For what its worth, I never mentioned steroids because I don't consider it to be an issue.
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3. the yankees have money because of the large fan base of new york/new jersey and northern md. if teams can't spend money, then what is the point of the draft. 2 years ago, the orioles spent more then the yankees. it just didn't work out for them.
Orioles pay roll was more than the Yankees? You're joking right? http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=4054743 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=4054743) http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=3324146 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=3324146) http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1859&Itemid=41 (http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1859&Itemid=41)
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4. yankees are hated because of jelousy. (which is why people try to find reasons to hate them. people don't like to admit being jelous.)
Um, no.
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5. A-Rod is a Christian. if a former steroid user walked into your church, would you turn them down because they used steroids?
Certainly not, but I'm not going to give them a high five for their sin.
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6. people need to stop tearing down the yankees. the truth is, people want yankees players on their team. E.X. Mark tiexera, was part of another team before he came to the yankees. he was born in md. orioles fans didn't mind. eventually he became a free agent and signed with the yankees. all of a sudden he is labeled as a bad guy from o's fans.
Fact: Teixeira was quoted several times saying that he would love to play for his childhood team. Fact. Fact: Teixeira was offered a deal that was estimated to be 7years and $150 million. Fact. Fact: Teixeira signed with the Yankees for 8 years and $180 million. Fact.
The difference? $30,000,000 and one year. You're telling me it wasn't the money that swayed his decision? Seems pretty obvious that money was more important to him than playing for his childhood team. I'll be honest, I never expected to have Teixeira in an Orioles uniform so I wasn't surprised when he signed elsewhere. People like money. I never said he was a bad guy, I said he likes money more than he wanted to play for his childhood team, which is pretty obvious given the circumstances.
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7. the yankees don't spend nearly as much money as people think. most of the players came up through the farm system. (for those of you who don't know what this is, this is the process of developing your talent after collage and working your way through the minor league ranks.)
The numbers don't lie. The Yankees spend more money than any other team. They spend in free agency and they spend it to keep the players like Jeter and Posada, who were brought up through the farm system. 22 of the 30 MLB teams spend less than half what the Yankees spend.
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they are a part of america's history more then any other team.
More than the Dodgers? That would be a fun debate for the talking heads of ESPN.
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Post by: Mr.Hiatus on May 13, 2010, 01:19:45 PM
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The difference? $30,000,000 and one year. You're telling me it wasn't the money that swayed his decision? Seems pretty obvious that money was more important to him than playing for his childhood team.
I honestly think what swayed his decision was a World Championship ring. All players in every sport want a ring and a win in the big game, I think Tex knew he had a better shot at achieving that at NY. Although money does talk.
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More than the Dodgers? That would be a fun debate for the talking heads of ESPN.
I agree.
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Post by: 12tipton3 on May 13, 2010, 04:10:56 PM
Sean, i am not high-5 ing arod for his sin. and it is a fact he only took it once. the person who injected him with it said so. what other proof do you want? and no. i said the orioles SPENT more money on other players 2 years ago. i never said they had a higher payroll. and also sean, your bias is also obvious. you come from the masses that hate the yankees because they are good. i know you don't consider mark teixera a bad guy, but lots do. if orioles had more money he would have signed with them. if the red sox of all people offored more he would have signed with them. money does come into decisions. i agree with you here. and just because they don't have a cap doesn't mean they spend it all. and you are right, numbers don't lie. we can bring the money discussion up again and i have the same answer. if we can't spend money then what is the point of the draft. when you quoted this before you failed to see the main point. i said that the draft is meaningless if we can't use it. do you think that the yankees shouldn't spend money?
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Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 13, 2010, 04:13:21 PM
I only murdered one person! I shouldn't have consequences for that!
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Post by: 12tipton3 on May 13, 2010, 04:15:32 PM
this is a classic and shining example of taking what i said out of context. i NEVER said that there should be no consequences. and if a murderer came into my church, and he wanted Christ, i would not shun him. (like some people would.)
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Post by: Prof Underwood on May 13, 2010, 04:33:54 PM
if we can't spend money then what is the point of the draft.
The NFL spends money and has a draft. But each team has the same amount of total money to spend. That makes it a level playing field with regards to cash. It also leads to more parity in the NFL than in baseball. This is probably one reason why way more people watch the Superbowl than watch the World Series.
Also the NFL has a really tough steroids policy. Which is why they don't seem to have a problem with it despite the fact that their sport would seem to be even more enticing to players to use steroids. This is probably another reason why "America's Pastime" is now "past it's time".
Also the NFL has a short enough season that all the games actually matter, and a 1-and-done playoff system so that all those games actually matter. As opposed to baseball with over 100 games a year so that it doesn't matter if a team loses 40 of them, and a "best of ..." playoff system, so that those games don't matter either. And this doesn't even get into the reasons why the game itself of Baseball is lame.
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Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 13, 2010, 04:42:42 PM
this is a classic and shining example of taking what i said out of context. i NEVER said that there should be no consequences. and if a murderer came into my church, and he wanted Christ, i would not shun him. (like some people would.)
Neither would I, but I would also be "Wise as a snake" and be careful around him.
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Post by: YourMathTeacher on May 13, 2010, 05:09:39 PM
Also the NFL has a really tough steroids policy. Which is why they don't seem to have a problem with it despite the fact that their sport would seem to be even more enticing to players to use steroids.
I hope that you don't really believe this to be true.
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Post by: Mr.Hiatus on May 13, 2010, 05:14:33 PM
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This is probably one reason why way more people watch the Superbowl than watch the World Series.
I would like to see how many people watch all 5-7 games of the World Series, compared to how many people watch just the one Superbowl, it might be a close number.
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Also the NFL has a really tough steroids policy.
I disagree. Suspension for a game or two is not too tough when compared to baseball. But as you said 1 game is a significant deal in the NFL.
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Post by: Prof Underwood on May 13, 2010, 05:32:25 PM
Also the NFL has a really tough steroids policy. Which is why they don't seem to have a problem with it despite the fact that their sport would seem to be even more enticing to players to use steroids.
I hope that you don't really believe this to be true.
I'm just looking at the differences between the stories in the NFL and MLB in recent years. The NFL had long-time greats like Brett Farve who has never been connected with steroids and yet is setting all-time recordes. The MLB had long-time greats like Roger Clemmons and Barry Bonds who set all-time records only to see them completely tarnished by steroids. I'm not saying that there aren't players in the NFL who do steroids (ie. the rookie-of-the-year who just got his award revoked). I'm just saying that it seems like it is punished swiftly and that the marquee players (Mannings, Brady, Farve, A.P., L.T., Emmit Smith, Brian Urlacker, etc.) don't do it.
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Post by: YourMathTeacher on May 13, 2010, 06:35:08 PM
Now you're just picking and choosing names, which is an unfair comparison. I see MLB players like RotY and MVP Dustin Pedroia who is all of 5'7" and 160 pounds (if he's carrying an equipment bag). I see NL Cy Young phenom Tim Lincecum who is 6'2" and all of 170 pounds (if he's carrying Barry Bonds).
These are marquee players, and if they are using steroids, then it's not working.
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Post by: Sean on May 13, 2010, 06:56:09 PM
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i said the orioles SPENT more money on other players 2 years ago.
How is having a smaller payroll spending more money?
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it is a fact he only took it once. the person who injected him with it said so.
Prove it. I've never heard this claim until you brought it up.
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your bias is also obvious. you come from the masses that hate the yankees because they are good.
I do? Prove it.
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if we can't spend money then what is the point of the draft.
I never said the Yankees, or anyone else, shouldn't be allowed to spend money. I also don't see a correlation between amount of money spent and the draft.
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I'm just saying that it seems like it is punished swiftly and that the marquee players don't do it.
Randy Johnson: All time great. First in Ks/Innings Pitched all time. One of 19 pitchers EVER to pitch a perfect game. Member of 300 win club. Most commonly named pitcher of hitters asked, "Who do you not want to hit against?" Steroid free.
Cal Ripken Jr.: First ballot Hall of Fame. Hit a home run on the night he tied Gerig's consecutive games record and on the night he broke Gerig's record. This event was voted the "Most Memorable Moment" (http://www.mlb.com/mlb/events/memorable_moments/mlb_memorable_moments.jsp) in MLB history. Steroid free.
Tony Gwynn: First ballot Hall of Fame. Never batted below .309 for his entire 20 year career. Gwynn was struck out 434 times while have 9,288 career at bats. With baseball's 162 game season, that is less that 3 K's per season! Steroid free.
Greg Maddux: All time great. Only pitcher ever to have 15 or more wins in 17 consecutive seasons. Member of 300 win club (8th all time with 355). Most wins in the 1990s. Steroid free.
Derek Jeter: All time great. Rookie of the year. Only player ever to win All-Star MVP and World Series MVP. Nicknamed "Mr. November" when the playoffs were postponed and forced to spill over into November rather than ending in October. Five World Series wins. Steroid Free.
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Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on May 13, 2010, 07:10:05 PM
Pedro Martinez Mariano Rivera Jim Thome Ken Griffey Jr. Tom Glavine Fred McGriff
Sean's list goes on...
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Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on May 13, 2010, 07:26:31 PM
I'd be careful tossing Thome's name up there.
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Post by: Sean on May 13, 2010, 07:28:24 PM
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Post by: 12tipton3 on May 13, 2010, 10:24:36 PM
sean, right now, everything you have said is pointing in the direction that you are the people who hate the yankees for no good reason. not being rude, but prove to me otherwise. the corralation is that when people become free agents they are drafted.............. let me put it this way:
You and a rich person go to the super market, the rich person and you both buy stuff. that is how the draft works. each item represents a player. each person represents a coach.
about the payroll, yankees do not spend everything all at once. they spend it over time. (this is the way contracts work.) they spent more all at once then the yankees did all at once. payroll does indeed factor but this is true, one year the orioles spent more.
the steroid thing, research it yourself. it was on one of the websites.
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Post by: that one kid on May 13, 2010, 10:33:09 PM
sean, right now, everything you have said is pointing in the direction that you are the people who hate the yankees for no good reason. not being rude, but prove to me otherwise. the corralation is that when people become free agents they are drafted.............. let me put it this way:
You and a rich person go to the super market, the rich person and you both buy stuff. that is how the draft works. each item represents a player. each person represents a coach.
about the payroll, yankees do not spend everything all at once. they spend it over time. (this is the way contracts work.) they spent more all at once then the yankees did all at once. payroll does indeed factor but this is true, one year the orioles spent more.
the steroid thing, research it yourself. it was on one of the websites.
Nice analogy!!
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Post by: Prof Underwood on May 13, 2010, 10:37:34 PM
Randy Johnson...Cal Ripken Jr....Tony Gwynn...Greg Maddux...Derek Jeter
These guys are legit marquee players. However, other than Jeter, most of them were in their prime before the big steroid scandals (late 90's - early 2000's). You also have picked some of my favorite players (other than Maddux, just because I hated the Braves).
Pedro Martinez...Mariano Rivera...Jim Thome...Ken Griffey Jr. ...Tom Glavine...Fred McGriff
Most of these are also legit marquee players (other than Thome), Glavine and McGriff also hit their prime before the steroid scandals. Ken Griffey Jr. seemed to do nothing but get injured from the time the steroid scandals hit. And I vaguely remember there being some questions about Pedro and Mariano and steroids, but maybe not.
I completely admit that there have been GREAT baseball players who weren't juiced, and I admire them for that. However, the number of GREAT baseball players in recent years who WERE juiced has just tarnished the entire game for me and many others.
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Post by: Sean on May 13, 2010, 10:46:32 PM
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However, other than Jeter, most of them were in their prime before the big steroid scandals (late 90's - early 2000's).
90s and early 2000s is the heart of the steroid era. That's exactly when Bonds, McGuire, and Clemens played. I chose the players I chose for that reason, they played during the height of steroid use. The fact that you do not realize this tells me that you have little credibilty when talking about MLB.
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Wow, THESE are marquee players? I've never heard of these guys.
The fact that you don't know the name of one of the most recent MVP and CY Young winners tells me that you have very little credibility on the topic of MLB. Pedroia was the MVP of 2008. Lincecum won the CY Young award in 2009 and 2008.
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the number of GREAT baseball players in recent years who WERE juiced has just tarnished the entire game for me and many others.
Give me a list of all these GREAT baseball players that were juiced and I can give you a list twice as long of GREAT players that weren't.
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Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on May 13, 2010, 10:50:55 PM
I, being the idiot that I am, am requesting the definition of a marquee player...
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Post by: Sean on May 13, 2010, 11:02:21 PM
Basically, it means a name that you would see in lights. High quality players that would give you reason to come see a game.
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Post by: Prof Underwood on May 13, 2010, 11:02:41 PM
I, being the idiot that I am, am requesting the definition of a marquee player...
Good question. For the sake of objectivity, let's just say a starter in more than 1 All-Star game for MLB, and a starter in more than 1 Pro-Bowl for NFL.
Give me a list of all these GREAT baseball players that were juiced and I can give you a list twice as long of GREAT players that weren't.
But we're not comparing baseball to itself, but rather to other sports. You give me a list of NFL players who started in more than 1 Pro-Bowl, and who took steroids. I'll return with a list of MLB players who started in more than 1 All-Star game. Whose list do you think will be bigger?
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Post by: Sean on May 13, 2010, 11:24:41 PM
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For the sake of objectivity, let's just say a starter in more than 1 All-Star game for MLB, and a starter in more than 1 Pro-Bowl for NFL.
That's not objective, that's your opinion. There are numerous players who do not make it to the all star game or the pro bowl that are more than deserving.
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Whose list do you think will be bigger?
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Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answer?
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the reasons why the game itself of Baseball is lame.
OK, I just saw this now. Why did you even post in a topic you don't care about and think is lame? I can't take anything else you say about baseball seriously.
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Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 13, 2010, 11:29:10 PM
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Why did you even post in a topic you don't care about and think is lame?
To stop the arguing?
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Post by: Sean on May 13, 2010, 11:30:42 PM
Why did you even post in a topic you don't care about and think is lame?
To stop the arguing?
LOL! We all know that posting on a message board doesn't stop arguing.
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Post by: 12tipton3 on May 13, 2010, 11:33:19 PM
i am sorry. i said the orioles spent more then the yankees 2 years ago. apparently it was either 1997 OR 1998. just fixing my report. also, the yankees do not always have the highest payroll each year. in one of those years that was previously mentioned, the orioles had the highest.
sean, right now, everything you have said is pointing in the direction that you are the people who hate the yankees for no good reason. not being rude, but prove to me otherwise. the corralation is that when people become free agents they are drafted.............. let me put it this way:
You and a rich person go to the super market, the rich person and you both buy stuff. that is how the draft works. each item represents a player. each person represents a coach.
Nice analogy!!
thank you! :)
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Post by: New Raven BR on May 13, 2010, 11:35:40 PM
You are the one making claims without proof, not me. You hold the burden of prrof and are therefore the one who should be providing the proof for me to look at. Besides, I looked and I could not find a list for the years you mentioned.
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Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on May 14, 2010, 12:56:08 AM
The Yankees have had the highest payroll every year since 98. Also, we're not too concerned with what happened 12 years ago.
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Post by: Prof Underwood on May 14, 2010, 12:56:43 AM
For the sake of objectivity, let's just say a starter in more than 1 All-Star game for MLB, and a starter in more than 1 Pro-Bowl for NFL.
That's not objective, that's your opinion.
I just meant objective in the sense that it is a factual method of coming up with a list of players. No one can argue whether someone was in more than 1 All-Star game or not. Either they were or they weren't. And the All-Star game and Pro-Bowl seemed to be fairly congruent and therefore a valid way of making comparable lists for the 2 sports.
I can't take anything else you say about baseball seriously.
That's actually totally fine really. I'm not serious about baseball, and don't claim to be an expert on it, so my ideas should be taken with a grain of salt :)
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Post by: Sean on May 14, 2010, 01:14:13 AM
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So I take it that you are conceding that point
Well, sort of. I was going to respond differently but after I found your complete lack of real interest in anything baseball I decided to be funny instead.
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Post by: Good Samaritan on May 14, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
12Tipton3,this link says that years 96-97 the Baltimore Orioles had a smaller Payroll than the New York Yankees. http://www.baseballchronology.com/Baseball/Years/1997/Payroll.asp (http://www.baseballchronology.com/Baseball/Years/1997/Payroll.asp)
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Post by: Good Samaritan on May 14, 2010, 10:28:38 AM
In 1999,the Baltimore Orioles had a larger Payroll of : only had 237,546 more than the NYY.
$ 200,000 is not that much,its alot but not a whole lot.
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Post by: Good Samaritan on May 14, 2010, 10:32:46 AM
My mistake,the 1998 season the Orioles had the $ 201,921 more than the NYY,just that season.
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Post by: Korunks on May 14, 2010, 10:42:56 AM
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You and a rich person go to the super market, the rich person and you both buy stuff. that is how the draft works. each item represents a player. each person represents a coach.
As much I as I don't really watch most baseball, I feel the need to comment. This analogy falls apart because in a draft there is a limited number of players(items) and the rich guy offers the items more money than the poor person can, so the poor person can't buy name brand products and instead have to buy store brand(which normally isn't as good). I am not saying you are wrong, but you should choose a better analogy. You may also consider broadening your argument beyond people hate the Yankee's because they are jealous. My dislike for the Yankee's has nothing to do with their performance. I dislike their ability to outspend most other teams, I prefer the NFL system where everyone (for now) has equal payroll. I dislike the elitist attitude of a majority their fans, which is not the Yankee's fault but what oh well they got stuck with annoying fans. I could go on, but none of these points have anything to do with their performance. Just some food for thought.
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Post by: Good Samaritan on May 14, 2010, 10:45:33 AM
You and a rich person go to the super market, the rich person and you both buy stuff. that is how the draft works. each item represents a player. each person represents a coach.
As much I as I don't really watch most baseball, I feel the need to comment. This analogy falls apart because in a draft there is a limited number of players(items) and the rich guy offers the items more money than the poor person can, so the poor person can't buy name brand products and instead have to buy store brand(which normally isn't as good). I am not saying you are wrong, but you should choose a better analogy. You may also consider broadening your argument beyond people hate the Yankee's because they are jealous. My dislike for the Yankee's has nothing to do with their performance. I dislike their ability to outspend most other teams, I prefer the NFL system where everyone (for now) has equal payroll. I dislike the elitist attitude of a majority their fans, which is not the Yankee's fault but what oh well they got stuck with annoying fans. I could go on, but none of these points have anything to do with their performance. Just some food for thought.
+1
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Post by: Prof Underwood on May 14, 2010, 12:19:27 PM
You and a rich person go to the super market, the rich person and you both buy stuff. that is how the draft works. each item represents a player. each person represents a coach.
This analogy falls apart
It also falls apart because baseball is supposed to be an entertaining sport. If you wanted to make grocery shopping a competition, perhaps you could see who could get the best food by the time they got to the checkout line. However, if one person had 13 times more money to spend (ie. Yankees vs. Marlins in 2006) (http://www.baseballchronology.com/Baseball/Years/2006/Payroll.asp) then it wouldn't be a very fun competition would it?
Speaking of the Marlins, they are a textbook example of why money has ruined baseball. There are 3 things we can learn from their example. #1 - They have had a payroll near the bottom of all teams for most of their existence, and have also been one of the worst teams for most of their existence. Thus you can't win without money. #2 - One year they decided to spend with the big boys, and so in 1997 they were the 5th highest payroll in baseball. That also happens to be the year that they won the World Series. Thus you can buy a championship. #3 - If you look at the overall trend comparing their payroll to the Yankees it becomes clear that the disparity in baseball is only getting worse. In the mid 90's the bottom of the league was still spending in the 40% range of the top. Now, the bottom of the league isn't even in double digit %s anymore.
Year
Payroll Rank
% of Yankees
1993
24/28
45.4%
1994
26/28
41.1%
1995
23/28
39.5%
1996
20/28
41.1%
1997
5/28
71.5%
1998
27/28
25.9%
1999
30/30
15.9%
2000
28/30
22.8%
2001
27/30
32.3%
2002
25/30
33.3%
2003
26/30
32.3%
2004
26/30
23.0%
2005
19/30
29.0%
2006
30/30
7.7%
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Post by: Sean on May 14, 2010, 12:36:26 PM
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One year they decided to spend with the big boys, and so in 1997 they were the 5th highest payroll in baseball. That also happens to be the one year that they won the World Series. Thus you can buy a championship.
Insert Facepalm photo here
The Marlins won the World series for a second time in 2003, defeating the Yankees. If you're going to post about baseball, the least you can do is get simple facts right.
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Post by: Prof Underwood on May 14, 2010, 12:52:01 PM
The Marlins won the World series for a second time in 2003, defeating the Yankees.
Thanks, I removed the word "one". Also, I admit that the Marlins winning in 2003 despite having the 5th LOWEST payroll does NOT fit the pattern. However, I do think that the overall pattern still is informative.
P.S. How come your still responding to me Sean. I thought we both agreed for you to not take me seriously on the topic of baseball :)
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Post by: Good Samaritan on May 14, 2010, 12:55:10 PM
How long should this topic be active?
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Post by: Sean on May 14, 2010, 01:16:57 PM
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How come your still responding to me Sean.
I needed to correct an obvious fallacy.
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Post by: Korunks on May 14, 2010, 01:20:26 PM
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How long should this topic be active?
Until the flames die or get out of hand :)
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Post by: Good Samaritan on May 14, 2010, 03:21:36 PM
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Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on May 14, 2010, 03:25:32 PM
Somewhat off topic: The Marlins are one of the few teams I dislike as much as the Yankees.
The Marlins try to spend as little as possible on their team so they can make lots of money of revenue sharing.
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Post by: Alex_Olijar on May 14, 2010, 03:41:41 PM
Sauce, ever heard of the fabled Pittsburgh Pirates? I heard they were even better at doing that the Marlins. I don't know if the Pirates are real though. I think it's just a Pittsburgh Old Wives tale.
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Post by: Good Samaritan on May 14, 2010, 04:39:14 PM
The Yankees have had the highest payroll every year since 98. Also, we're not too concerned with what happened 12 years ago.
of course you are. if you were not, then you guys wouldn't look back at all the world world series wins the yankees have. most of our wins happened way longer then 12 years ago. i merly stated a fact that good samaritin 2020 backed up. the arguement was yankees always have the highest payroll. i stated that they don't. it's just a statement.
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Post by: YourMathTeacher on May 14, 2010, 05:43:26 PM
Of all the teams who have been in the World Series more than twice, do you know which one has the highest winning percentage? (Hint: It's not the Yankees; they were second.)
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Post by: 12tipton3 on May 14, 2010, 05:50:22 PM
what am i stupid? its the cardinals.
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Post by: YourMathTeacher on May 14, 2010, 05:51:40 PM
I'll leave the first question to you. The answer is not the Cardinals.
The Pittsburgh Pirates
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Post by: STAMP on May 14, 2010, 07:15:00 PM
If you really love baseball then all of you need to rent Ken Burns', BASEBALL. It is the quintessential documentary on all things baseball.
As for the Pirates, they had THE BEST shortstop ever to play. He batted .333/.467/.500 in the 1909 World Series as his Pirates beat Ty Cobb's Tigers. The most valuable baseball card in history has his visage on it.
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Post by: The Warrior on May 14, 2010, 07:27:31 PM
for days i have Neglected to even look at this thread. in fact i still haven't looked at : im posting blindly. I mean who cares about baseball? football ftw
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Post by: Sean on May 14, 2010, 08:04:29 PM
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He batted .333/.467/.500 in the 1909 World Series as his Pirates beat Ty Cobb's Tigers. The most valuable baseball card in history has his visage on it.
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Post by: Good Samaritan on May 14, 2010, 08:07:57 PM