Author Topic: Why no blogs/podcasts? (Read 7055 times)

AJ · « **on:** April 29, 2014, 03:25:20 PM »

Every LCG/ TCG has multiple of each and Redemption only has one that I no of. A lot of newer players would probably love to read and listen to experienced players strategies and input.

_JM_ · « **Reply #1 on:** April 29, 2014, 04:09:30 PM »

That's a function of a smaller player pool. There's simply less people with free time to write about Redemption. Also, having a slower production schedule for new cards and a short major tourney season limits the topics a Redemption-specific blog could talk about.

We've got the meat of the tourney season coming up over the next two months though, so you'll see more tourney report coverage (probably) in that time span.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #2 on:** April 29, 2014, 04:11:45 PM »

http://redemptionmetagaming.blogspot.com/

Additionally, look us up on YouTube

We haven't done anything in a long while because literally nothing has changed in Redemption for almost a year.

JSB23 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 29, 2014, 05:58:01 PM »

Because every other TCG/LCG has new cards and an evolving meta.

AJ · « **Reply #4 on:** April 29, 2014, 06:06:40 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on April 29, 2014, 05:58:01 PM

Because every other TCG/LCG is secular and doesn't help preach the gospel.

FTFY

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #5 on:** April 29, 2014, 07:02:47 PM »

Quote from: AJ on April 29, 2014, 06:06:40 PM

Quote from: JSB23 on April 29, 2014, 05:58:01 PM
Because every other TCG/LCG is secular and doesn't help preach the gospel.

FTFY

Irrelevant to this discussion.

AJ · « **Reply #6 on:** April 29, 2014, 07:19:35 PM »

Quote from: Westy on April 29, 2014, 07:02:47 PM

Quote from: AJ on April 29, 2014, 06:06:40 PM
Quote from: JSB23 on April 29, 2014, 05:58:01 PM
Because every other TCG/LCG is secular and doesn't help preach the gospel.

FTFY
Irrelevant to this discussion.

True sort of. Secular card games have larger player bases which means more blogs and so forth. But what you said is true Westy. If Redemption had separated the release of the starter deck from the tins release people would have more of an interest in it.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #7 on:** April 29, 2014, 07:31:41 PM »

Secular card games also has new cards and an evolving meta, hence more blogs.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #8 on:** April 29, 2014, 11:57:49 PM »

Call me when I won't be saying pretty much the same thing as I did a year ago. Until then I'm on the pokemon grind.

Master KChief · « **Reply #9 on:** April 30, 2014, 12:43:27 AM »

I sincerely hope we're not correlating more cards to evolving metas. It has more to do with the fact Redemption has no significantly sized playerbase or tournaments to create the influx of metagame shifts that other CCGs see.

JSB23 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 30, 2014, 01:35:53 AM »

Quote from: AJ on April 29, 2014, 06:06:40 PM

Because every other TCG/LCG is secular and doesn't help preach the gospel.

That's funny.

No matter how much you try to blame the devil/spiritual warfare/sinful culture/other insane conspiracy here, the problem is:
Private christian bookstores got bought out by bigger companies at a time when Redemption had a toxic meta, which drove away established players, which resulted in a severe decrease in revenue, which means they can't print anything to fix the toxic meta, which drives away players, which results in... so on and so forth.

It's a triple whammy of having no new cards, no new players to try things outside the meta, and no old players caring enough/having the time/the reason to innovate.

Blaming the devil is an easy way to ignore the very real problems that Redemption has.

Don't do it.

AJ · « **Reply #11 on:** April 30, 2014, 08:02:14 AM »

Quote from: JSB23 on April 30, 2014, 01:35:53 AM

Quote from: AJ on April 29, 2014, 06:06:40 PM
Because every other TCG/LCG is secular and doesn't help preach the gospel.

That's funny.

No matter how much you try to blame the devil/spiritual warfare/sinful culture/other insane conspiracy here, the problem is:
Private christian bookstores got bought out by bigger companies at a time when Redemption had a toxic meta, which drove away established players, which resulted in a severe decrease in revenue, which means they can't print anything to fix the toxic meta, which drives away players, which results in... so on and so forth.

It's a triple whammy of having no new cards, no new players to try things outside the meta, and no old players caring enough/having the time/the reason to innovate.

Blaming the devil is an easy way to ignore the very real problems that Redemption has.

Don't do it.

I'm definitely not saying Redemption has problems by any means because it has a lot of them but the devil definitely has a hand in Redemption's problems. If people stopped playing games the devil inspired like Magic more people would play Redemption.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 30, 2014, 08:41:52 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on April 30, 2014, 12:43:27 AM

I sincerely hope we're not correlating more cards to evolving metas. It has more to do with the fact Redemption has no significantly sized playerbase or tournaments to create the influx of metagame shifts that other CCGs see.

The correlation is new cards that expand the games play space to evolving metas. Size of playerbase/tournaments are a secondary effect once new cards are released as the possible deck-design space gets visited.

Quote from: AJ on April 30, 2014, 08:02:14 AM

If people stopped playing games the devil inspired like Magic more people would play Redemption.

This, I do not believe to be true.

Master KChief · « **Reply #13 on:** April 30, 2014, 09:41:24 AM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on April 30, 2014, 08:41:52 AM

The correlation is new cards that expand the games play space to evolving metas. Size of playerbase/tournaments are a secondary effect once new cards are released as the possible deck-design space gets visited.

New deck design and tech is visited and metas shift weekly as a result in some of the larger CCGs. Yet these CCGs obviously do not see new cards on a weekly basis. Even Hearthstone, a game with less than 400 total cards and zero expansions thus far, has seen more meta shifts during its closed and open beta than Redemption has experienced in the past 5 years. Again, less to do with new cards; more to do with a dedicated and sizable player pool with the tournament support to help encourage players to do so.

soul seeker · « **Reply #14 on:** April 30, 2014, 10:01:45 AM »

Quote from: AJ on April 30, 2014, 09:31:47 AM

What that MTG is inspired by the devil? It completely is. Gore, witchcraft , partial nudity ( if not full nudity) you name it its got it.

My guess is that MJB disagrees with your assertion that people would play Redemption if Magic did not exist. I agree with him. I think they would just find something different to do.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 30, 2014, 10:49:35 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on April 30, 2014, 09:41:24 AM

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on April 30, 2014, 08:41:52 AM
The correlation is new cards that expand the games play space to evolving metas. Size of playerbase/tournaments are a secondary effect once new cards are released as the possible deck-design space gets visited.

New deck design and tech is visited and metas shift weekly as a result in some of the larger CCGs. Yet these CCGs obviously do not see new cards on a weekly basis.

I never said that new cards was the sole reason for meta shifts. What I said was that a necessary pre-requisite for such shifts is new deck-design space to explore. As this design space gets explored you will see the meta shift as new strategies, tactics, etc. are found. Sometime these lead to cyclical meta shifts, which really aren't all that interesting, but the generation rate of truly new metas damp down relatively quickly after large sets are injected into the cardpool.

I also disagree that the larger CCG see a weekly shift absent new cards. I know that L5R, as a single example, comes nowhere near this rate over a two-year cycle and they have regular (quarterly) expansions.

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Even Hearthstone, a game with less than 400 total cards and zero expansions thus far, has seen more meta shifts during its closed and open beta than Redemption has experienced in the past 5 years.

Almost by definition a brand new game--if it is well designed--is going to have way more unexplored design space. I would also point out that over the past five years, Redemption has added fewer than 400 new cards to its pool. Given that I'll use the Hearthstone example to support my position. So, thanks, I guess.

Quote from: soul seeker on April 30, 2014, 10:01:45 AM

Quote from: AJ on April 30, 2014, 09:31:47 AM
What that MTG is inspired by the devil? It completely is. Gore, witchcraft , partial nudity ( if not full nudity) you name it its got it.
My guess is that MJB disagrees with your assertion that people would play Redemption if Magic did not exist. I agree with him. I think they would just find something different to do.

Just so.

Master KChief · « **Reply #16 on:** April 30, 2014, 11:37:54 AM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on April 30, 2014, 10:49:35 AM

I also disagree that the larger CCG see a weekly shift absent new cards.

MtG has weekly meta shifts that are clearly demonstrated every single weekend at SCG Opens, as well as the numerous Grand Prix's, Pro Tour events, and Invitationals throughout the month. Yugioh has ARG Circuit Series as well as YCS's monthly that exhibit the changing metas sans new product. Hearthstone also shows vastly changing metas in short amounts of time given the ease of access and medium of the game (this also naturally applies towards MtGO). Pokemon I am unfamiliar with, but I'm sure someone more experienced can chime in about that.

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Almost by definition a brand new game--if it is well designed--is going to have way more unexplored design space.

Maybe by Redemption standards a 'brand new game'

. Hearthstone has been available for 9 months. I would not call that a brand new game by now.

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I would also point out that over the past five years, Redemption has added fewer than 400 new cards to its pool. Given that I'll use the Hearthstone example to support my position. So, thanks, I guess.

It doesn't support your position at all. It just demonstrates how incredibly sad it is on Redemptions part.

JSB23 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 30, 2014, 12:17:49 PM »

MKC and MJB are both addressing the same issue.

Magic, Yugioh, and Hearthstone are able to have an evolving meta because they have a huge list of viable cards, and a large player base which means two things.
1. The massive list of viable cards, many of which cannot be used in conjunction, means it's impossible to build a "best" deck.
2. A larger player base means there are more people working to build a "best" deck, which means progress gets made more quickly.

The problem with Redemption is, it has a tiny player base, and the cost-less system means taking the best cards from every brigade and squishing them together results in the "best" deck more often than not (coughTheDeckcough. Which means Redemption needs something else in order to evolve its meta.

Which leads to MJB's assertion. The easiest way to "force" a meta change is to add new cards. However, Redemption has dug itself so deep with the last six sets, that no amount of new cards can force anything other than minor changes to the meta.

Master KChief · « **Reply #18 on:** April 30, 2014, 12:34:27 PM »

Fair enough. It also doesn't help that half of Redemption, if not more, is vanilla fluff. But I also think Redemption could experience a faster evolving meta if it had the millions of people playing it that the other big CCGs do to dream up the new tech necessary to encourage such growth, and not just the handful that we have now.

AJ · « **Reply #19 on:** April 30, 2014, 01:44:08 PM »

One of my new faves LOTR LCG has tons strategy because of the way they integrated the cost system deeply into the game. If Redemption had a cost system the game would be 10x better.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #20 on:** April 30, 2014, 02:18:54 PM »

Oh look, another thread about all of Redemption's problems.

JSB23 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 30, 2014, 02:43:56 PM »

Quote from: Westy on April 30, 2014, 02:18:54 PM

Oh look, another thread about all of Redemption's problems.

Well it's not like there's anything else to talk about...

AJ · « **Reply #22 on:** April 30, 2014, 03:31:32 PM »

Quote from: Westy on April 30, 2014, 02:18:54 PM

Oh look, another thread about all of Redemption's problems.

If the game had less problems there wouldn't be so many threads.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 30, 2014, 04:11:40 PM »

Quote from: Westy on April 30, 2014, 02:18:54 PM

Oh look, another thread about all of Redemption's problems.

That is surprising, given how just last year people were saying things like...

Quote from: Westy on July 08, 2013, 12:27:40 AM

That said, there's been a lot of positivity lately with the release of the new starters, with the new design, ease of learning, and product appearance (putting Guardian on the starter decks was really cool). There have also been new and exciting Player projects, like Redemption MetaGaming, the Wiki, and the Redemption Card Builder. The game is definitely heading in the right direction, and I think we'll see growth in the next few years. I'm not sure Redemption will ever rival the Big 3, but I'm not sure that we've yet seen the pinnacle of Redemption.

Chris · « **Reply #24 on:** April 30, 2014, 05:44:40 PM »

Redemption has been in a state of stagnation with little change for two years now. The last real set was released nearly three years ago, and of the cards released since the 2011 set, only a handful see any serious play, and they didn't create any significant shift in the meta. I'm not even convinced the meta is all that bad right now. Splash offenses are extremely varied, and balanced decks are now in the meta for the first time in years. Genesis/Babylonian hand control won Nats last year. I would posit that the meta itself is healthier now than it's been since before the release of TxP, but it doesn't matter because we've been playing with the same basic decks for two years now, and that's boring. Now, add to this the fact that we have no idea whether a new set is coming out within the next year, much less Nats, and the fact that it is April 30th and there has been no official announcement for Nats, despite the tournament host having explicitly said to at least one person two months ago that it was all worked out.

We had excellent discussion on the possibility of using Kickstarter to raise funds for a new set, and that went absolutely nowhere. Rob even gave his blessing to work on the project, and nobody stepped up to make it happen. "But Chris," you say. "You didn't step up to make it happen either!" That's because I don't have the authority to do it, and frankly, it's not my job. It's the job of the leadership, meaning both Rob and the Elders, to execute projects like that. If they don't have time to do that, it's totally understandable, but then that authority should be moved to people who do have the time. I've heard it said that Redemption generates 5% of Cactus' income and takes up 95% of Rob's time. Well then why is Rob still the showrunner? Why hasn't he delegated that power to someone else, trusting them to do what's best for the game. There's no good answer. The game has been run into the ground, and frankly, I don't think anything short of a Nats announcement this week, along with the announcement of a brand new set being released there, will save it. Many of the core players have moved on, and the window is closing to bring them back.

AJ · « **Reply #25 on:** April 30, 2014, 06:37:34 PM »

I'm not going to quote Chris' wall of text but I completely agree with all of it. IMO most of the games problems come from management.

Isildur · « **Reply #26 on:** April 30, 2014, 07:14:07 PM »

Quote from: AJ on April 30, 2014, 06:37:34 PM

IMO most of the games problems come from management.

Redemption's problems stem from the fact it's produced by a family run company with a finite amount of resources and not a mega conglomerate game corporation who have millions to pump into a single game. It really isn't fair to call out Robs or the Playtesters management of the game as the source of the problem.

AJ · « **Reply #27 on:** April 30, 2014, 07:19:30 PM »

Quote from: Isildur on April 30, 2014, 07:14:07 PM

Quote from: AJ on April 30, 2014, 06:37:34 PM
IMO most of the games problems come from management.
Redemption's problems stem from the fact it's produced by a family run company with a finite amount of resources and not a mega conglomerate game corporation who have millions to pump into a single game. It really isn't fair to call out Robs or the Playtesters management of the game as the source of the problem.

There are tons of people in the community who are willing to volunteer.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #28 on:** April 30, 2014, 11:16:05 PM »

Without any qualifications.

AJ · « **Reply #29 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:14:37 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 30, 2014, 11:16:05 PM

Without any qualifications.

I disagree. There are plenty of people on the boards that could qualify. Korunks has built probably the best and most original game I have ever played. Westy ,you, Redoubter,Blake,and Chris also come to mind as qualified people to play test.

TheMarti · « **Reply #30 on:** May 01, 2014, 10:14:25 AM »

If this is going to become a bashing session, I am going to quarantine this topic. It's already gotten off topic from the original question enough, now stop it, please.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #31 on:** May 01, 2014, 10:58:30 AM »

Quote from: The Marti on May 01, 2014, 10:14:25 AM

If this is going to become a bashing session, I am going to quarantine this topic. It's already gotten off topic from the original question enough, now stop it, please.

Agreed. Prior to quarantining the topic, it may be useful to split it so the first three posts (up through Westy's first response) remain visible. If anyone is interested in the original question, things are pretty much asked and answered by that point.

AJ · « **Reply #32 on:** May 01, 2014, 03:40:36 PM »

Quote from: The Marti on May 01, 2014, 10:14:25 AM

If this is going to become a bashing session, I am going to quarantine this topic. It's already gotten off topic from the original question enough, now stop it, please.

This isn't a bashing session, at least from my standpoint. I just love the game and want to see its problems addressed. I think we have had some good discussion on this thread and I disagree with the thread being offtopic because most of the posts tie in to the question.

TheMarti · « **Reply #33 on:** May 01, 2014, 06:04:08 PM »

When the blame game starts going into play (whether it is deserved or not), it has the potential to devolving into a bashing game. That is all I am saying.

I also want you to remember - some people find Redemption, then find these boards. If I was a new player that saw all of these discussions that have a bit of a negative edge to them and that indicated these sorts of negative things, I may just say forget it.

My point? Are there issues? Yes. Should they be talked about in an intelligent way? Yes. Do they need to be rehashed a million times? No. The more of these threads that come up and then devolve into "here's what's wrong," the faster the end (which is inevitable - it happens to all games) is going to come. The topic has been talked about, we've all seen what's going on, there's no need to beat a dead horse.

Chris · « **Reply #34 on:** May 01, 2014, 06:34:40 PM »

The subject is continually brought up because nothing is being done to fix anything. The options are essentially to either keep talking about it and hope one of the Elders decides to try to change something, or sit back and watch the game die. The lack of action following Rob's post in the Kickstarter thread is inexcusable to me.

yirgogo · « **Reply #35 on:** May 01, 2014, 06:39:05 PM »

I agree, though we should not lay blame on anyone. I haven't contacted the elders saying that I am enormously in favor of the proposal, and that might be the reason that there is not action now. I have 3 friends who would like to start playing, but dont know if they will go to tournamens since it is so expencive to get a tournament ready deck. Rob's Proposal would solve almost all cost issues, tournaments could have the old experienced players that are willing to spend lots of money on the cards, and the newer players along with the experienced playing with the new cards in the new section.

It could also be that the elders are waiting till after nationals, since they already have a new set they are planning on releasing.

TheMarti · « **Reply #36 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:10:29 PM »

Quote from: Chris on May 01, 2014, 06:34:40 PM

The subject is continually brought up because nothing is being done to fix anything. The options are essentially to either keep talking about it and hope one of the Elders decides to try to change something, or sit back and watch the game die. The lack of action following Rob's post in the Kickstarter thread is inexcusable to me.

Has anyone contacted any of the elders and drawn their attention to these things? I haven't seen some of them on the boards in months, and definitely not in off-topic/OD, and it seems that it may be more effective to contact them in an email or more direct manner at this point. If people want something done, it needs to be with direct action at this point. I'm not telling you to not share your opinion, rather, it seems that posting multiple posts in OT just isn't doing anything.

AJ · « **Reply #37 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:17:51 PM »

If I am a customer, have been loyaly buying merchandise for 5+ years, I deserve a right to say what I would like to get fixed. Consumers saying what they would like to get fixed isn't going to bring the end sooner, but the producers not listening to the consumers wants will. But that's beside the point. I have always felt that the games goal is to be a ministry and for brothers and sisters in Christ to fellowship, and that's exactly what the game has done. The end will come when God wants it to. It's his game.

TheMarti · « **Reply #38 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:21:21 PM »

I said that you had a right to express your opinion. I said it several times. I would never say that people did not have that right. What I am saying is that it may be time to take a different approach instead of mentioning it on every single thread that comes up about the game. The point has been made in the public arena, it may be time to make direct contact with people. That is all I am saying.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #39 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:58:26 PM »

What's a "blog?"

TheJaylor · « **Reply #40 on:** May 01, 2014, 10:48:51 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 01, 2014, 07:58:26 PM

What's a "blog?"

blog [blawg, blog]
noun
1.
a website containing a writer's or group of writers' own experiences, observations, opinions, etc., and often having images and links to other websites.
2.
a single entry or post on such a website: She regularly contributes a blog to the magazine's website.

You were being serious, right?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #41 on:** May 01, 2014, 11:10:08 PM »

Quote from: AJ on April 30, 2014, 06:37:34 PM

IMO most of the games problems come from management.

It has become clear to me that atheist players started playing Redemption with the sole purpose of plotting its demise. They infiltrated the infrastructure of the game by becoming playtesters and moderators. Now they revel in the apparent success of their mission.

Hail Hydra!

Quote from: KoalaKingoFA on May 01, 2014, 10:48:51 PM

You were being serious, right?

I'm insulted that you would even need to ask such a question.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #42 on:** May 01, 2014, 11:33:35 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 01, 2014, 11:10:08 PM

Quote from: KoalaKingoFA on May 01, 2014, 10:48:51 PM
You were being serious, right?

I'm insulted that you would even need to ask such a question.

Wait, is that a joke?

JSB23 · « **Reply #43 on:** May 03, 2014, 12:33:30 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 01, 2014, 11:10:08 PM

It has become clear to me that atheist players started playing Redemption with the sole purpose of plotting its demise.

And I would have gotten away with it to, if it weren't for that meddling prof.

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Author Topic: Why no blogs/podcasts? (Read 7055 times)

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