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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Colin Michael on December 19, 2008, 07:17:18 PM
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Immanuel Kant, A Critique of Pure Reason.
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People still read? ;)
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This thread.
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Herzog, Saul Bellow
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A book called "Do Hard Things". I would highly recommend it to those who are teenagers. It's written by two twin teenagers encouraging other teens to break out from under the burden of extremely low expectations that our society has for teens and what they can accomplish.
Their website is:
http://www.therebelution.com (http://www.therebelution.com)
Mike
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The Bravehearted Gospel by Eric Ludy
Sean
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To kill a mockingbird, and enjoying it thus far. I'm about 2/3 done. :)
EDIT: lol...
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House:Farnk PErreti/TEd Dekker
King Henry IV:shakespear
Obssesed:Ted Dekker
Skin:Ted Dekker
Adam:Ted Dekker
I read multiple books at a time :P
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Currently Reading: The Grapes of Wrath (John Steinbeck)
Last book I read that was actually decent: The Lord of the Flies (William Golding)
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How to kill a mockingbird, and enjoying it thus far. I'm about 2/3 done. :)
FAIL it's To Kill a Mockingbird
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House:Farnk PErreti/TEd Dekker
King Henry IV:shakespear
Obssesed:Ted Dekker
Skin:Ted Dekker
Adam:Ted Dekker
I read multiple books at a time :P
I've read all but KH4 and have just finished re-reading Skin.
I'm currently reading 1 Corinthians and am waiting to get Chosen (Ted Dekker) for Christmas (if they got the huge hint I gave them :P)
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Neil Stephenson's Anathem.
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I'm currently reading the instruction guide for building the K'Nex Ferris Wheel. There is no way I will finish before Christmas....
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Chris paulinie (Sp?) ahahh no idea. Brisingr One of the better books if read
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Currently Reading: The Grapes of Wrath (John Steinbeck)
Last book I read that was actually decent: The Lord of the Flies (William Golding)
Grapes is good. Lord of the Flies was fail imo
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Not in Our Classrooms: Why Intelligent Design Is Wrong for Our Schools. by Eugenie C. Scott
http://www.amazon.com/Not-Our-Classrooms-Intelligent-Schools/dp/0807032786 (http://www.amazon.com/Not-Our-Classrooms-Intelligent-Schools/dp/0807032786)
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Lord of the Flies was fail imo
:o I'm now shunning you.
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Romance of the Three Kingdoms- Luo Guonzhong
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I recently found a bunch of books I bought but never read. Next on my list is The Barbarian Way and Soul Cravings by Erwin McManus- found it at my bookstore 2 in 1 and on sale.
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Grapes is good. Lord of the Flies was fail imo
What is wrong with you? Lord of the Flies is amazing...
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starting a micheal chriton novel,
books just finished with in the week
The Apeal - John Gresham
the streat laywer- Same (3/4 done already read it once though)
The Crystal shard - RA salvadore
The Orc King -Same
Being on break is so much fun
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I'm reading The Return of the King by Tolkien at school and The People of Sparks by Jeanne DuPrau at home
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Currently reading Mostly Harmless by Douglas Adams
and on the table to be read are:
The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe by Douglas Adams
Life, The Universe And Everything by Douglas Adams
So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish by Douglas Adams
and all this reading started with watching the movie the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
also to be read:
The Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey
Fireproof Novelization by Eric Wilson
to be read again:
Wild at Heart and Way of the Wild Heart by John Eldredge
Godspeed,
Mike
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Douglas Adams books ftw
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the book of genesis
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Douglas Adams books ftw
Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency by Douglas Adams
the Yellow Page listing shows
Dirk Gently's
Holistic Detective Agency
We solve the whole crime
We find the whole person
Phone today for the whole solution to your problem
Classic, just classic
Godspeed,
Mike
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I'm reading quite a few different books, and have even more I want to read, but the one I'm spending most of my time on right this moment is "Hard Fighting Soldier" by Chette Williams
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Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics, for school.
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Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics, for school.
Ironically, I'm reading that for school as well.
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to kill a mocking bird for school (that book is horrible)
Hannibal for myself
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To Kill a Mocking Bird for school (that book is incredible)
Fixed ;D
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notice what book I'm reading on my own if that will give you any inkling of the kind of books I read ::)
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notice what book I'm reading on my own if that will give you any inkling of the kind of books I read ::)
Umm... you like....history?
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The full list:
Critique of Pure Reason, Immanuel Kant (for independent studies.)
Two Treatises on Government, John Locke (for a school assignment.)
Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle (for school.)
Continental Philosophy, not sure who the author is (for school.)
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the 3 muskateers very hard to read ::)
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im pushing through most of the Ted Dekker books right now im in Showdown.
In the table in order are
Saint
Sinner
Kiss
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notice what book I'm reading on my own if that will give you any inkling of the kind of books I read ::)
Umm... you like....history?
you have a pm :)
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Tis week I've been reading Alister McGrath's Chrstianity's Dangerous Idea, but I'm also participating in the year-long reading of Calvin's Institutes, and each day of the week (except Sunday) alternate between reading about 20 pages from Charles Spurgeon's Sermons, John Wesley's Works, A section from the Britannica's Great Books of the Western World, A section from Karl Barth's Church Dogmatics, and the Oxford collections of English and American verse. It's fun to get to read so much, but it probobly won't last once my church duties become full-time this summer. Read all you can- It's great!
-Ross
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iWoz by Steve Wozniak. A must read for techies. :)
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If it counts I am about to read House by Ted Dekker and Frank Perreti.
But, I just finished reading the entire Twilight saga by Stephenie Meyer. Totally awesome! ;)
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To Kill a Mocking Bird for school (that book is incredible)
Fixed. ;D
Fixed. ;D
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To Kill a Mocking Bird for school (that book is incredible)
Fixed. ;D
Fixed. ;D
o_O
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im going to start reading either East of Eden By Stienbeck or the massive War and Peace by Leo Tolsoi. idk how long I want to be stuck reading one book :P
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How To Kill a Mockingbird(sledgehammer is my favorite chapter) + The Odyssey
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How To Kill a Mockingbird(sledgehammer is my favorite chapter) + The Odyssey
Welcome back, Smokey! ;D
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Ty ;D
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No reason to "fix" anything. How to Kill a Mockingbird is totally legit. (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/mockingbird)
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Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics, for school.
Ironically, I'm reading that for school as well.
Sweet. :)
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No reason to "fix" anything. How to Kill a Mockingbird is totally legit. (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/mockingbird)
Epic win
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To Kill a Mocking Bird for school (that book is incredible)
Fixed. ;D
Fixed. ;D
o_O
Your "correction" was just as unnecessary as mine. Your grammar is, at times, much worse than the "corrected" sentence. :P
Just saying.
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Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics, for school.
Ironically, I'm reading that for school as well.
Even more ironically I am reading it for pleasure.
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Tim that is the most epic thing I have ever seen in my life
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Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics, for school.
Ironically, I'm reading that for school as well.
Even more ironically I am reading it for pleasure.
That is awesome. :D
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH. Tim wins the thread.
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Romans, by the Holy Spirit through Paul
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On the Wealth of Nations ~ P. J. O'Rourke
Teech ~ James Phillips
How the Scots invented the modern world ~ Arthur Herman
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im pushing through most of the Ted Dekker books right now im in Showdown.
In the table in order are
Saint
Sinner
Kiss
Saint=pure wyn
Sinner=epic fail.
Kiss=I enjoyed it, but it didn't really have too many twists. (a few)
I'm currently reading Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem and I just finished Kiss, so I expect to start another one next week.
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im pushing through most of the Ted Dekker books right now im in Showdown.
In the table in order are
Saint
Sinner
Kiss
Saint=pure wyn
Sinner=epic fail.
Kiss=I enjoyed it, but it didn't really have too many twists. (a few)
I'm currently reading Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem and I just finished Kiss, so I expect to start another one next week.
My school offers that class, actually.
Just started St. Augustine's Confessions, nearly finished already.
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It's been too long since I've seen How to Kill a Mockingbird. Thanks for that, Tim :laugh:
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im pushing through most of the Ted Dekker books right now im in Showdown.
In the table in order are
Saint
Sinner
Kiss
Saint=pure wyn
Sinner=epic fail.
Kiss=I enjoyed it, but it didn't really have too many twists. (a few)
I'm currently reading Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem and I just finished Kiss, so I expect to start another one next week.
Did you not have an opinion on Showdown or are you letting my make that...
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I've been getting into some classics lately. I just finished Frankenstein, by Mary Shelley, and am currently reading 1984, by George Orwell. So far I love it!
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I've been getting into some classics lately. I just finished Frankenstein, by Mary Shelley, and am currently reading 1984, by George Orwell. So far I love it!
If you havent, read Fahrenheit 451 as well. Similar to 1984, but a little more action involved near the end.
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You know, I've heard a lot of mixed reports about that book. It was taken off the classics list at my school for some reason. :dunno: I'm curious now.
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o.O what?? Dude, its a fantastic book.
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Some questionable material in the book may be the cause.
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Would that be the kind of sexual questionability?
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Finished Confessions, now I've got to read Ethics before the morning.
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Finished Confessions, now I've got to read Ethics before the morning.
ouch
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Finished Confessions, now I've got to read Ethics before the morning.
ouch
Well, not all of it; just the first four or so books and write a 2-3 page paper on it.
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Finished Confessions, now I've got to read Ethics before the morning.
ouch
Well, not all of it; just the first four or so books and write a 2-3 page paper on it.
even worse
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When we read the Gilgamesh epic, there were some words redacted with black sharpie. Problem solved, and we still read Gilgamesh. Middlebury is a heavily Amish/ Mennonite community, but they are quite pragmatic in this respect
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So yeah, I talked to Jael until 2, downloaded Rosetta Stone and drilled Latin until 3, and now I'm discussing the rise of the Ubermensch with one of my philosophy schoolmates/associates. I'll pop some adderoll at five, put some tea on the kettle, read Ethics, and write my paper.
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I'll pop some adderoll at five, put some tea on the kettle, read Ethics, and write my paper.
Not something I would recommend making a habit. Its not healthy to get into a schedule like that.
Sean
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I'll pop some adderoll at five, put some tea on the kettle, read Ethics, and write my paper.
Not something I would recommend making a habit. Its not healthy to get into a schedule like that.
Sean
Probably not, though I do take it routinely so I didn't get off my norm too much, just lost some sleep.
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:offtopic: though interesting
Now, I"m rading Black, Red, and White by Ted Dekker. Heard good things about this book.
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I'll pop some adderoll at five, put some tea on the kettle, read Ethics, and write my paper...I do take it routinely so I didn't get off my norm too much, just lost some sleep.
A schedule which requires you to take a drug on a regular basis is not a good schedule. God made your body work the way it does for a reason. Listen to it.
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It's terrible... now that I'm in graduate school, all I do is read stuff... but nothing I actually read for leisure.. so sad :(
But, converting to audiobooks = awesome. I can listen in the car or at work, and do it multiple times without taking forever... next book on my list is "Jesus wants to save Christians" by Rob Bell.
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I'll pop some adderoll at five, put some tea on the kettle, read Ethics, and write my paper...I do take it routinely so I didn't get off my norm too much, just lost some sleep.
A schedule which requires you to take a drug on a regular basis is not a good schedule. God made your body work the way it does for a reason. Listen to it.
Anything that enhances mental performance is ends justifies the means for me. Drugs are not bad in themselves, it is the abuse of such things that is bad.
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I'll pop some adderoll at five, put some tea on the kettle, read Ethics, and write my paper...I do take it routinely so I didn't get off my norm too much, just lost some sleep.
A schedule which requires you to take a drug on a regular basis is not a good schedule. God made your body work the way it does for a reason. Listen to it.
Anything that enhances mental performance is ends justifies the means for me. Drugs are not bad in themselves, it is the abuse of such things that is bad.
wouldn't you call using drugs every day (or many days) abuse?
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Anything that enhances mental performance is ends justifies the means for me. Drugs are not bad in themselves, it is the abuse of such things that is bad.
#1 - the ends never justify the means
#2 - if you are doing Adderoll on a regular basis, then what is to stop you from doing Speed, or something else in the future
#3 - if someone sees you popping pills on a regular basis, then what is to stop them from thinking it is ok for them to do it too
What if you or they don't have as much self-control as you think you have?
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Anything that enhances mental performance is ends justifies the means for me. Drugs are not bad in themselves, it is the abuse of such things that is bad.
#1 - the ends never justify the means
Ends always should justify the means, that's what ethics are, the ability to make decisions between two evils.
#2 - if you are doing Adderoll on a regular basis, then what is to stop you from doing Speed, or something else in the future
Speed is unsafe and has incredibly dangerous side effects, Adderoll (which is made from speed) is much safer and has few side effects (loss of appetite ).
#3 - if someone sees you popping pills on a regular basis, then what is to stop them from thinking it is ok for them to do it too
Nothing, that's their call, not mine. I mean, I think it's okay for me to do why shouldn't that apply to them?
What if you or they don't have as much self-control as you think you have?
Then God help me?
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Some questionable material in the book may be the cause.
Its just as "questionable" as 1984 was. Mabye even less.
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For what its worth, I was talking more about the time at which you went to sleep more than the fact that you took an adderoll. Being on a bad sleep schedule can really make things hard on your body. Maintaining a normal sleep cycle (sleep when it is dark) is definitely advised. For me that means bed at around 12 and waking around 8. I've maintained a higher gpa with a good sleep cycle in comparison to when I would stay up til odd hours of the morning and then sleeping in the afternoon.
Sean
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Anything that enhances mental performance is ends justifies the means for me. Drugs are not bad in themselves, it is the abuse of such things that is bad.
#1 - the ends never justify the means
Ends always should justify the means, that's what ethics are, the ability to make decisions between two evils.
PETA repeatedly breaks the law in their protests against animal cruelity. A decent cause does not justify breaking the law, you simply have to find another way to get things done. In your case, the whole 'don't procrastiate' method might work well. (By the way, there is only one "evil" in your senario: taking questionable drugs regularally, thus it is not a battle between the 'best of two evils' or anything, but simply reasoning away a poor decision.)
#3 - if someone sees you popping pills on a regular basis, then what is to stop them from thinking it is ok for them to do it too
Nothing, that's their call, not mine. I mean, I think it's okay for me to do why shouldn't that apply to them?
Romans 14:19-21
Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
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Adderoll is not illegal, therefore, it is lawful. Also, you should know by now I don't hold the law at any value.
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Adderoll is not illegal, therefore, it is lawful. Also, you should know by now I don't hold the law at any value.
and theres a drug thats not illegal something like Saive (I don't know something of that name sort )
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Ends always should justify the means, that's what ethics are, the ability to make decisions between two evils.
Really?
1. Hitler was justified killing the Jews to help fix the German economy.
2. I am justified when I kill 10 people to get a DVD.
3. The US government was justified in exiling 2000 natives off of Diego Garcia to make a military base.
Do you support all of these things? Cause if not, you should revise your statement.
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guys, lets stop talking in absolutes. Absolutes are NEVER right. XD
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Ends always should justify the means, that's what ethics are, the ability to make decisions between two evils.
I disagree. Ethics are about determining right and wrong. And doing something wrong for a good reason is still wrong.
Speed is unsafe and has incredibly dangerous side effects, Adderoll (which is made from speed) is much safer and has few side effects (loss of appetite ).
But that doesn't answer my question. If Speed will help you accomplish your goals, and you believe that the ends justify the means, then why would you not end up doing Speed if the Adderoll stops working for you eventually?
What if you or they don't have as much self-control as you think you have?
Then God help me?
Do not put the Lord your God to the test.
I don't hold the law at any value.
And your attitude about that is not Biblical or Christlike. God puts authorities in our lives for our good, and expects us to obey them (unless they contradict God's authority).
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Um....
guys, lets stop talking in absolutes. Absolutes are NEVER right. XD
I disagree, there are lots of absolutes that are absolutely correct!
Oh, and I'm reading Hebrews.
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you absolutely sure about that?
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absolutely! :)
The Bible tells me so. 8)
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I don't believe in empirical absolutes either. I also think you guys are being absurd. What gives you the idea that I would go from a legal drug prescribed by my doctor to meth?
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I don't believe in empirical absolutes either. I also think you guys are being absurd. What gives you the idea that I would go from a legal drug prescribed by my doctor to meth?
Your doctor prescribed you to take that every day?
And did you read my other post? That seemed like a legit argument.
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Ends always should justify the means, that's what ethics are, the ability to make decisions between two evils.
Really?
1. Hitler was justified killing the Jews to help fix the German economy.
2. I am justified when I kill 10 people to get a DVD.
3. The US government was justified in exiling 2000 natives off of Diego Garcia to make a military base.
Do you support all of these things? Cause if not, you should revise your statement.
These ends do not justify the means; therefore, they are unethical.
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Just a few absolutes for those who question me:
God exists.
God is love.
God provided a way to have a relationship with Him: Jesus Christ
God is the only one who is in the position to establish what is truly right and what is truly wrong.
I could go on, but it may be fruitless.
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I don't believe in empirical absolutes either. I also think you guys are being absurd. What gives you the idea that I would go from a legal drug prescribed by my doctor to meth?
What gives you the idea that you wouldn't?
1 - the law would stop me - no you don't respect the law
2 - it is wrong - no you don't believe in absolute wrong, and even if it were wrong, you wouldn't care as long as it helped you get your paper done
3 - because I know my limits - no if you look at your past, I am sure you will see times when you did things that you never thought you would do and probably a few things that you wish you hadn't
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1 - the law would stop me - no you don't respect the law
You are right, I don't respect the law.
2 - it is wrong - no you don't believe in absolute wrong, and even if it were wrong, you wouldn't care as long as it helped you get your paper done
Yeah, I'd take meth so I can do my paper better. Right.
3 - because I know my limits - no if you look at your past, I am sure you will see times when you did things that you never thought you would do and probably a few things that you wish you hadn't
I have no regrets.
"That which does not kill me only makes me stronger." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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1 - the law would stop me - no you don't respect the law
You are right, I don't respect the law.
2 - it is wrong - no you don't believe in absolute wrong, and even if it were wrong, you wouldn't care as long as it helped you get your paper done
Yeah, I'd take meth so I can do my paper better. Right.
3 - because I know my limits - no if you look at your past, I am sure you will see times when you did things that you never thought you would do and probably a few things that you wish you hadn't
I have no regrets.
"That which does not kill me only makes me stronger." -Friedrich Nietzsche
what in the world?
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Forget pot, let's make Tylenol the new "gateway drug."
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Yeah, I'd take meth so I can do my paper better. Right.
If you really thought it would help you do better on the paper, why not? You believe that the ends justify the means.
I have no regrets.
There is a difference between no regrets and no lessons learned. My point is that you can't limit yourself effectively and you are refusing to allow anything outside yourself limit you. This is a long-term recipe for disaster.
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no you don't respect the law
You are right, I don't respect the law.
Do you even read the Bible, ever? I don't remember the particular verse, but the Bible basically says that law and government are established by God for a purpose, and that we are meant to obey it. Just think - where would mankind be if there was no law or government? - It would be chaos, with people running amock and killing and stealing from each other. Would you prefer that?
"That which does not kill me only makes me stronger." -Friedrich Nietzsche
You know, until you get some Biblical back-up, your argument is pretty weak. Otherwise, you might as well be quoting supervillains (which at first I thought you were).
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Heb 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit to them: for they watch in behalf of your souls, as they that shall give account; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief: for this were unprofitable for you.
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Yeah, I'd take meth so I can do my paper better. Right.
If you really thought it would help you do better on the paper, why not? You believe that the ends justify the means.
False hypothetical.
I have no regrets.
There is a difference between no regrets and no lessons learned. My point is that you can't limit yourself effectively and you are refusing to allow anything outside yourself limit you. This is a long-term recipe for disaster.
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I don't see it as a recipe for disaster at all. Being limitless is hardly a bad thing.
no you don't respect the law
You are right, I don't respect the law.
Do you even read the Bible, ever? I don't remember the particular verse, but the Bible basically says that law and government are established by God for a purpose, and that we are meant to obey it. Just think - where would mankind be if there was no law or government? - It would be chaos, with people running amock and killing and stealing from each other. Would you prefer that?
Research John Locke and social contract theory.
To answer the question, yes, I would prefer "anarchy" in a sense; completely free individuals with no government. Government is NOT established by God, rather, it is established by man to suppress the individual's rights. So would I like it? Yes.
deos enim religuos accipimus, Casares dedimus.
"That which does not kill me only makes me stronger." -Friedrich Nietzsche
You know, until you get some Biblical back-up, your argument is pretty weak. Otherwise, you might as well be quoting supervillains (which at first I thought you were).
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I don't view the Bible as a credible source, actually.
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then your are dumb
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I think we should probably move this to "open discussion" on that note.
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then your are dumb
The bible is God's teachings not a history book
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then your are dumb
Unnecessary RED. Even though you may not agree, that doesn't make it dumb. Plus, we don't need that stuff here.
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then your are dumb
Unnecessary RED. Even though you may not agree, that doesn't make it dumb. Plus, we don't need that stuff here.
Yeah, if you disagree please support your position.
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You know, until you get some Biblical back-up, your argument is pretty weak. Otherwise, you might as well be quoting supervillains (which at first I thought you were).
I don't view the Bible as a credible source, actually.
Why on earth do you play Redemption, the Bible-based card game?!
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You know, until you get some Biblical back-up, your argument is pretty weak. Otherwise, you might as well be quoting supervillains (which at first I thought you were).
I don't view the Bible as a credible source, actually.
Why on earth do you play Redemption, the Bible-based card game?!
What's your point?
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Must you be a Christian (or believe in the Bible) to play Redemption? I think not. This isn't an elitist game.
Therefore, your logic has no basis.
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I don't see why you would play a card game based on the Bible if you didn't believe in it. Could you explain to me why you do play Redemption instead of, like, Yu-Gi-Oh or something?
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Is believing in the Bible in the Apostle's creed?
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he's got a point
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look you can redemption if you don't know the lord
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Is believing in the Bible in the Apostle's creed?
I don't think this answered my question.
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Is believing in the Bible in the Apostle's creed?
I don't think this answered my question.
Because Redemption is most awesomest
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+1 +1 +1
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What are everyone's denominations here? To be honest, this disbelief in the Bible offends me, but I'm not sure if stuff like that is okay in Catholic or Lutheran churches or something.
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The Bible is not required to be a Christian, the Apostle's Creed defines catholic (liberal connotation) Christianity.
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nice creed?
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Don't Catholics read Latin from the Bible every week, or is that just some stereotype or something?
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they changed to english
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Well, even better.
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You won't find any major denomination that doesn't believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God. That's the denominations' stance though. Individuals, such as Colin, don't believe that the Bible is the Word of God.
Sean
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If you really thought it would help you do better on the paper, why not? You believe that the ends justify the means.
False hypothetical.
Explain why this wouldn't be a logical assumption based on your philosophy that you are espousing.
Being limitless is hardly a bad thing.
Humans without limits is most certainly a bad thing. Assuming that you aren't just messing with me here with such a ludicrous statement, your attitude reminds me much of Adam and Eve in the Garden. They wanted to be just like God and didn't want to have limits. Look where that got them (and us).
I don't view the Bible as a credible source, actually.
We've already discussed this, but I will repeat that your belief on this matter will inevitably lead to your abandoning faith in God at some point in the next 10 years of your life unless you decide to believe that the Bible is credible.
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The Bible is not required to be a Christian, the Apostle's Creed defines catholic (liberal connotation) Christianity.
What exactly are you saying? Are you saying that you don't have to believe the Bible to be a Christian?
I have known people like you. You want to challenge everything, believing that you can determine everything that is real by logic and your own mind. And those kinds of people always worry me. I just hope you realize that some things don't have to be proven. But if you don't believe the Bible, and don't think it's credible, then what do you beleive? Because any other faith or belief that you bring to the table I can find more faults than you can with the Bible.
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Colin has stated in other threads that he believes that certain people are chosen by God to be saved (of which, he includes himself). He has also stated that it is only done by grace, and God's grace is enough and therefore no limits or law (from the Bible) needs to be followed. He has liberal views on several areas that I will not mention in the "off topic" forum.
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"Because Elijah had prayed and had faith, God confused the army."
Did that verse say "Because God was sovereign," or "Because God had predestined Elijah to live?" No.
Answer me this... why does the Bible even talk about faith if it isn't even needed?
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You'll have to wait on Colin to answer that...I was only answering what I've seen him wrote in multiple different threads.
If memory serves me right, Colin has answered that too before. If you feel bored or a need to know the answer right now, then you can do a search of his name and view all the posts he has made. Provided some of them weren't erased during the GREAT PURGE OF '08-'09 (I'm not exactly sure which date the purge happened.)
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The Bible is not required to be a Christian, the Apostle's Creed defines catholic (liberal connotation) Christianity.
What exactly are you saying? Are you saying that you don't have to believe the Bible to be a Christian?
I have known people like you. You want to challenge everything, believing that you can determine everything that is real by logic and your own mind. And those kinds of people always worry me. I just hope you realize that some things don't have to be proven. But if you don't believe the Bible, and don't think it's credible, then what do you beleive? Because any other faith or belief that you bring to the table I can find more faults than you can with the Bible.
Yes, that is exactly what I was trying so hard to find a way to articulate; thank you.
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Research John Locke and social contract theory.
I've skimmed it. Very weak.
Government is NOT established by God, rather, it is established by man to suppress the individual's rights.
Romans 13
1.Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
I don't view the Bible as a credible source, actually.
Not much I can do about that. Have you read Evidence that Demands a Verdict ~ Josh McDowel? I don't think you could read that and maintain your position and be intellectually honest
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i'v seen the enadence coln you been sawmped in ture word your doctine is false
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I'm not sure what you were trying to say there, RED, but I'm pretty sure it was unnecessary.
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I've seen the Evidence,Colin, you've been swamped in true word. Your doctrine is false.
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it is true he is figting a loseing battle colin read the bilbe and take it as history.
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RED, you're never going to get to him like that. This is his entire belief, and he won't give it up in a day on the message boards.
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how am i all he does is ignore us i give up!
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If you really thought it would help you do better on the paper, why not? You believe that the ends justify the means.
False hypothetical.
Explain why this wouldn't be a logical assumption based on your philosophy that you are espousing.
Being limitless is hardly a bad thing.
Humans without limits is most certainly a bad thing. Assuming that you aren't just messing with me here with such a ludicrous statement, your attitude reminds me much of Adam and Eve in the Garden. They wanted to be just like God and didn't want to have limits. Look where that got them (and us).
I don't view the Bible as a credible source, actually.
We've already discussed this, but I will repeat that your belief on this matter will inevitably lead to your abandoning faith in God at some point in the next 10 years of your life unless you decide to believe that the Bible is credible.
prof is right
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How am I? All he does is ignore us. I give up!
well, consider this, your 10 hes 20 (somewhere around there)....he has a tad more experience than you ::)
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I'm pretty confused as to the last couple of posts but valiant efforts my young friends.
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huh why?
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I'm pretty confused as to the last couple of posts but valiant efforts my young friends.
lol
Colin has won the thread
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Yes, by not listening to anyone else, and not answering any of the important questions.
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If you really thought it would help you do better on the paper, why not? You believe that the ends justify the means.
False hypothetical.
Explain why this wouldn't be a logical assumption based on your philosophy that you are espousing.
It's illogical because it is a false hypothetical.
Being limitless is hardly a bad thing.
Humans without limits is most certainly a bad thing. Assuming that you aren't just messing with me here with such a ludicrous statement, your attitude reminds me much of Adam and Eve in the Garden. They wanted to be just like God and didn't want to have limits. Look where that got them (and us).
Limits halt progress.
I don't view the Bible as a credible source, actually.
We've already discussed this, but I will repeat that your belief on this matter will inevitably lead to your abandoning faith in God at some point in the next 10 years of your life unless you decide to believe that the Bible is credible.
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You can't just "decide" to believe something. If you ask "why" and the "why" cannot be answered, then you cannot make an absolute until the "why" is answered. If I psycologically tricked myself into believing the Bible to be infallible just to save my faith, I would be coating myself in deceiption. Cannot the hypothetical "truth"/ "word of God" stand up to the "why"?
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so much for a quick poll...
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If you really thought it would help you do better on the paper, why not? You believe that the ends justify the means.
False hypothetical.
Explain why this wouldn't be a logical assumption based on your philosophy that you are espousing.
It's illogical because it is a false hypothetical.
"Why is the sky blue?"
"Because that's the way we see it."
"Why do we see it that way?"
"Because it's blue. THE END."
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I'll answer the question.
If your false hypothetical was true, yes I would take speed to help me on a paper. I don't care about legality or the ridiculous dogmas of the "holiness movement." I do, however, care about the damage to my brain, the loss of control, and hallucinations speed causes. If those did not exist and it just made me think faster (which is what Adderoll is in the first place: speed without the bad stuff), I would totally take speed. In other words, that's a ridiculous false hypothetical.
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You can't just "decide" to believe something. If you ask "why" and the "why" cannot be answered, then you cannot make an absolute until the "why" is answered. If I psycologically tricked myself into believing the Bible to be infallible just to save my faith, I would be coating myself in deceiption. Cannot the hypothetical "truth"/ "word of God" stand up to the "why"?
The Bible can stand up to the "why." Prove to me one instance in the Bible that you can PROVE is false. Go ahead. If you can do that, with undisputable evidence, then I will throw my Bible to the ground and renounce Christ. But you can't, because everything is true in the Bible.
Colin, the fact is that you are taking the easy way to be a Christian. In your faith, you don't have to do anything, either God saves you or you don't. You don't need faith, you don't need anything, and you might as well not be a Christian because you don't need faith, and all your focus is on the real world, because the Bible doesn't matter to you.
Do you consider yourself a Christian with this view?
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You can't just "decide" to believe something. If you ask "why" and the "why" cannot be answered, then you cannot make an absolute until the "why" is answered. If I psycologically tricked myself into believing the Bible to be infallible just to save my faith, I would be coating myself in deceiption. Cannot the hypothetical "truth"/ "word of God" stand up to the "why"?
The Bible can stand up to the "why." Prove to me one instance in the Bible that you can PROVE is false. Go ahead. If you can do that, with undisputable evidence, then I will throw my Bible to the ground and renounce Christ. But you can't, because everything is true in the Bible.
Colin, the fact is that you are taking the easy way to be a Christian. In your faith, you don't have to do anything, either God saves you or you don't. You don't need faith, you don't need anything, and you might as well not be a Christian because you don't need faith, and all your focus is on the real world, because the Bible doesn't matter to you.
Do you consider yourself a Christian with this view?
I will prove the Bible wrong right now.
There is no evidence saying that the Bible is the "word of God"; therefore, there is no reason to make such a claim.
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"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.... and the word became flesh and made his dwelling among us."
The Word IS God. He is God, and was with God. So that claim is not valid, and my challenge still stands.
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"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.... and the word became flesh and made his dwelling among us."
The Word IS God. He is God, and was with God. So that claim is not valid, and my challenge still stands.
You can't prove the Bible with the Bible first of all. That's an invalid argument.
Second of all, that passage was written 400 years before the Bible even existed.
Third of all, the "word" (from the Greek logos) could mean countless things, the least likely of these things being the Bible itself.
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"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.... and the word became flesh and made his dwelling among us."
The Word IS God. He is God, and was with God. So that claim is not valid, and my challenge still stands.
You can't prove the Bible with the Bible first of all. That's an invalid argument.
Second of all, that passage was written 400 years before the Bible even existed.
Third of all, the "word" (from the Greek logos) could mean countless things, the least likely of these things being the Bible itself.
Heh you both shouldwait until you get a school debating assignment and just print off a good 4 pages of this thread
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"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.... and the word became flesh and made his dwelling among us."
The Word IS God. He is God, and was with God. So that claim is not valid, and my challenge still stands.
FireNinja, I must be missing something. Is it your interpretation that the "Word" in John 1:1 is referring to Scripture?
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You can't prove the Bible with the Bible first of all. That's an invalid argument.
granted. I accept this point, that was invalied. However, by this standard, how can we prove anything? If we can only prove things through experimentation and logic, then there is no God, there is no heaven, there is only us. And if that is true, how did we get here? There must be a God.
This is how I know the Bible is true. There has to be some kind of supernatural force that created us all. And if you believe in the big band theory, well good luck proving that. And out of all the beliefs that exist, the Bible can be proven the most. The Bible has had just about the same meaning and translations for thousands of years(dead sea scrolls). The Bible has historical facts that historians couldn't even prove for later years. But guess what book had already recounted them? The Bible. We have found evidence supporting the Bible, for instance the seven-headed lamp, Moses' tomb, as already stated historical facts, etc. There really is no reason not to believe the Bible. Since so many things in it are true... why shouldn't we beleive it? As I've stated before, there are more faults with any other religion/belief, and there must be something that created us, therefore pointing to the Bible.
Second of all, that passage was written 400 years before the Bible even existed.
Do you have proof of this? I'm pretty sure that this was part of the Bible, something that John wrote in his gospel.
Third of all, the "word" (from the Greek logos) could mean countless things, the least likely of these things being the Bible itself.
Why is that the least likely? Then what do you take it to mean?
@EmJayBee, yes, that is how I interpret it to mean. Do you interpret that otherwise?
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Do you have proof of this? I'm pretty sure that this was part of the Bible, something that John wrote in his gospel.
It's commonly known historical fact that the Bible was not bound together until 400ADish.
Why is that the least likely? Then what do you take it to mean?
@EmJayBee, yes, that is how I interpret it to mean. Do you interpret that otherwise?
Posted on: Today at 04:47:45 PM
Posted by: EmJayBee83
Naturally, if the Bible did not exist when John wrote it, that verse couldn't mean the Bible. Also, John wasn't arrogant enough to call his own book the "word of God."
granted. I accept this point, that was invalied. However, by this standard, how can we prove anything? If we can only prove things through experimentation and logic, then there is no God, there is no heaven, there is only us. And if that is true, how did we get here? There must be a God.
This is how I know the Bible is true. There has to be some kind of supernatural force that created us all. And if you believe in the big band theory, well good luck proving that. And out of all the beliefs that exist, the Bible can be proven the most. The Bible has had just about the same meaning and translations for thousands of years(dead sea scrolls). The Bible has historical facts that historians couldn't even prove for later years. But guess what book had already recounted them? The Bible. We have found evidence supporting the Bible, for instance the seven-headed lamp, Moses' tomb, as already stated historical facts, etc. There really is no reason not to believe the Bible. Since so many things in it are true... why shouldn't we beleive it? As I've stated before, there are more faults with any other religion/belief, and there must be something that created us, therefore pointing to the Bible.
Historical validity is not what is being called into question. What is being called into question is whether it is the "word of God" or the "word of man."
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the bible IS the word of God and the word of God is truth,PERIOD!
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I'm reading Beyond Good and Evil by Friedrich Nietzsche.
St. Augustine's Confessions was really good.
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the bible IS the word of God and the word of God is truth,PERIOD!
Well, that settles it! I guess I've been wrong this whole time.
This word of God v.s. word of man thread already exists, doesn't it?
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It's commonly known historical fact that the Bible was not bound together until 400ADish.
And what does this prove? The Lord of the Rings has been bound together years later. But that doesnt' mean you can't trust that that really is what J.R.R. Tolkien Wrote. That's simply when it was bound together and printed, not when it was written.
Naturally, if the Bible did not exist when John wrote it, that verse couldn't mean the Bible. Also, John wasn't arrogant enough to call his own book the "word of God."
The Bible was not bound and printed when John wrote it, no, but he was still writing the Bible. And therefore he could have meant the Bible. It's called "divine revelation."
Historical validity is not what is being called into question. What is being called into question is whether it is the "word of God" or the "word of man."
If it's valid, then it is true, which means that it can prove itself if it is accepted as true. So validity is what this whole thing is about. If you believed it was valid, we wouldn't be having this debate.
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And what does this prove? The Lord of the Rings has been bound together years later. But that doesnt' mean you can't trust that that really is what J.R.R. Tolkien Wrote. That's simply when it was bound together and printed, not when it was written.
True; however, no matter what you believe, Bono did not write The Lord of the Rings.
The Bible was not bound and printed when John wrote it, no, but he was still writing the Bible. And therefore he could have meant the Bible. It's called "divine revelation."
Yes, however, there is no evidence to suggest this.
If it's valid, then it is true, which means that it can prove itself if it is accepted as true. So validity is what this whole thing is about. If you believed it was valid, we wouldn't be having this debate.
You're going to need to re-phrase that, I have no idea what you are saying.
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@EmJayBee, yes, that is how I interpret it to mean. Do you interpret that otherwise?
I find it a bit difficult to interpret the John 1 "Word" (Logos) as equivalent to Scripture.
Looking at the rest of the chapter we have...
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
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[quote author John 1:14-17]
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' " From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
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These seem to me to be very straight forward statements that equate "Word" with Jesus the Christ..
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True; however, no matter what you believe, Bono did not write The Lord of the Rings.
I'm not quite sure what you're proving here.
Yes, however, there is no evidence to suggest this.
There is evidence to support this. The Bible. which is why(that's what I was trying to say below) it is very important to believe in this discussion if the Bible is true or not. If the Bible is true, then there is no reason to continue this, but if it's not true, then I will have to continue debating.
You're going to need to re-phrase that, I have no idea what you are saying.
I'm saying that proving the Bible to be valid is what this whole conversation is about. If the Bible is valid and true... then it can prove itself, because it's true. In other words, if everything in the Bible is true, and it says that it is the word of God, then it is, because everything in the Bible is true.
You still haven't answered these two questions.
1. Do you believe the Bible and consider yourself a Christian.
2. Do you believe that there is a God? If you do, and you don't believe the Bible, then what do you believe?
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I'm not quite sure what you're proving here.
John wrote the Bible. Therefore, why do you say that God wrote it?
There is evidence to support this. The Bible. which is why(that's what I was trying to say below) it is very important to believe in this discussion if the Bible is true or not. If the Bible is true, then there is no reason to continue this, but if it's not true, then I will have to continue debating.
It was written by men; therefore, it is subject to the opinions and perspectives of the men that wrote it.
I'm saying that proving the Bible to be valid is what this whole conversation is about. If the Bible is valid and true... then it can prove itself, because it's true. In other words, if everything in the Bible is true, and it says that it is the word of God, then it is, because everything in the Bible is true.
You still haven't answered these two questions.
1. Do you believe the Bible and consider yourself a Christian.
2. Do you believe that there is a God? If you do, and you don't believe the Bible, then what do you believe?
The Bible does not say that it is the word of God. Whether it is accurate or not and whether we accept the philosophy within is up to our own discretion.
You're excluding the middle. The Bible doesn't have to be completely true or completely false. There is an equilibrium.
1. I'm not sure what you mean be "believe the Bible." I consider myself a Christian.
2. Obviously I do. I don't see the neccessity of the inerrancy of the Bible to believe in God, Jesus, or anything else of that nature.
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1. I'm not sure what you mean be "believe the Bible." I consider myself a Christian.
2. Obviously I do. I don't see the neccessity of the inerrancy of the Bible to believe in God, Jesus, or anything else of that nature.
You do consider yourself a Christian? Yet you don't believe the Bible? How do you even know what it is to be a Christian? Isn't that because you read the Bible?
So you believe in God. Why? What makes you believe in God? And what God do you beleive in? The God of the Bible or another God?
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1. I'm not sure what you mean be "believe the Bible." I consider myself a Christian.
2. Obviously I do. I don't see the neccessity of the inerrancy of the Bible to believe in God, Jesus, or anything else of that nature.
You do consider yourself a Christian? Yet you don't believe the Bible? How do you even know what it is to be a Christian? Isn't that because you read the Bible?
So you believe in God. Why? What makes you believe in God? And what God do you beleive in? The God of the Bible or another God?
You have a very narrow view of Christianity. The Bible wasn't considered the word of God until the 1800's. Sola scriptura doctrine was invented by Luther in the 1500's. You're also excluding the middle to say I "don't believe in the Bible." And as for "knowing what it is to be a Christian" I'm not at all concerned with "trying to fit the label of a Christian."
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I admit you are very smart. And you are trying to talk circles around me. But I know when someone isn't answering my questions.
What God do you believe in? And how do know he is real.
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go Fninja!
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I admit you are very smart. And you are trying to talk circles around me. But I know when someone isn't answering my questions.
What God do you believe in? And how do know he is real.
I believe in the One. All-knowing, all powerful, non-temporal, and soveriegn over all things; the pure form of existance itself. I know he exists because if he did not, nothing would exist.
go Fninja!
This isn't a game or a contest, this is a serious discussion. Let's try to be mature, yeah?
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And that's why I said what I did several posts ago.
You created your own God because he's the easiest way. There is no need to search for him, because he's just there. Not because you can prove he's there, but only because you can prove that without him you wouldn't be here. You don't have to do anything to get his love because he's sovereign and you're predestined. You don't have to have faith because he's sovereign. And you don't even need morals because there is no ethics to live by.
But with this standard... what's the point of living? Do you go to heaven? Do you get to see him? What's the point of this world if you're only living for this world?
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I have to ask, Colin, what is your doctrine? Is the Apostles Creed all that you really believe?
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And that's why I said what I did several posts ago.
You created your own God because he's the easiest way. There is no need to search for him, because he's just there. Not because you can prove he's there, but only because you can prove that without him you wouldn't be here. You don't have to do anything to get his love because he's sovereign and you're predestined. You don't have to have faith because he's sovereign. And you don't even need morals because there is no ethics to live by.
But with this standard... what's the point of living? Do you go to heaven? Do you get to see him? What's the point of this world if you're only living for this world?
What makes you draw the conclusion "I'm living for this world?"
Also, what makes you think that just because men wrote the Bible I'm throwing out all the Bible's teachings? Christianity survived for 1500 years without the Bible as its infallible standard, why can't I?
I have to ask, Colin, what is your doctrine? Is the Apostles Creed all that you really believe?
You're making everything into a black or white.
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I wasn't trying to at all, although I think it might help.
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Caleb created a new thread to continue this discussion on. Lets go back to books. :)
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http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=14320.0 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=14320.0)
your to fast ::)
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What makes you draw the conclusion "I'm living for this world?"
mainly the entire paragraph of text above that comment. :) You don't need faith, rules, or morals if God is completely sovereign and everything is predestined.
Also, what makes you think that just because men wrote the Bible I'm throwing out all the Bible's teachings? Christianity survived for 1500 years without the Bible as its infallible standard, why can't I?
The fact that you said, "frankly, I don't find the Bible to be credible." That was my first clue. My second was that a smart person like you who wants to figure out everything for himself, instead of just going with fixed doctrines, would not trust something that he doesnt' find credible. It just doesn't add up. Who says that the Bible was not the standard for people? Christians have always believed the Bible, and that's the standard. It tells us how we should behave.
Here's some things to consider. If the Bible isn't true, then why does our non-Christian society still accept a date(2009), set when Jesus was born, if they don't even believe that Jesus ever was born?
Why do we still celebrate Christmas(I know that's it's not actually when Christ was born) if God was never born in the first place?
The answer is that these things did happen. If the Bible isn't true it's one heck of a fairy tale. And if the Bible isn't true, and these event didn't happen, dates and other events wouldn't have been celebrated for 2009 years. It happened, and that's why people accept the Bible and the holidays I mentioned.
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mainly the entire paragraph of text above that comment. Smiley You don't need faith, rules, or morals if God is completely sovereign and everything is predestined.
Faith= amor fati (love thy fate).
Rules and morals come through social contract theory.
The fact that you said, "frankly, I don't find the Bible to be credible." That was my first clue. My second was that a smart person like you who wants to figure out everything for himself, instead of just going with fixed doctrines, would not trust something that he doesnt' find credible. It just doesn't add up. Who says that the Bible was not the standard for people? Christians have always believed the Bible, and that's the standard. It tells us how we should behave.
Here's some things to consider. If the Bible isn't true, then why does our non-Christian society still accept a date(2009), set when Jesus was born, if they don't even believe that Jesus ever was born?
Why do we still celebrate Christmas(I know that's it's not actually when Christ was born) if God was never born in the first place?
The answer is that these things did happen. If the Bible isn't true it's one heck of a fairy tale. And if the Bible isn't true, and these event didn't happen, dates and other events wouldn't have been celebrated for 2009 years. It happened, and that's why people accept the Bible and the holidays I mentioned.
You're still excluding the middle and that's quite a big slippery slope.
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Every concept of everything associated with Christianity came from the Bible - everything. The Apostles' Creed was based solely from things learned from nothing other than the Bible. If it weren't for the Bible, there would be no Christians, because no one would know any of the lessons taught in it. Think long and hard - if it weren't for the Bible would you - or anyone else for that matter - know about God?
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Every concept of everything associated with Christianity came from the Bible - everything. The Apostles' Creed was based solely from things learned from nothing other than the Bible. If it weren't for the Bible, there would be no Christians, because no one would know any of the lessons taught in it. Think long and hard - if it weren't for the Bible would you - or anyone else for that matter - know about God?
Insufficient ethos for making that kind of argument.
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To me, this can be translated as, "Oh, you're stupid."
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To me, this can be translated as, "Oh, you're stupid."
No, you don't qualify as an expert on early Christian history. You need to provide sources to back your claim if you wish to make such a claim.
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No, you don't qualify as an expert on early Christian history.
Oh, really? And all this time...
You need to provide sources to back your claim if you wish to make such a claim.
What are your sources for any of your claims?
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You need to provide sources to back your claim if you wish to make such a claim.
What are your sources for any of your claims?
skeptisism
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No, you don't qualify as an expert on early Christian history.
Oh, really? And all this time...
You need to provide sources to back your claim if you wish to make such a claim.
What are your sources for any of your claims?
I don't need a source, you're the one making claims.
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Think long and hard - if it weren't for the Bible would you - or anyone else for that matter - know about God?
Yes, precisely because the primary revelation of the Creator is not Scripture but creation.
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
If you are saying that you can only come to know God through the Bible, you are in essence denying either God's righteousness or His justice. After all how could a just God wipe out the whole world for their iniquities (Noah, ark, etc.) if there was no Bible around to let them know they had sinned.
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Tequnically, you don't NEED the Bible to be saved. But saying that the Bible has not merit is completely disregarding God's purspose for his Bible. It doesn't matter who wrote it, it's true and it illustrates God's plan for our lives.
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i agree with fninja and if you don't beleve it you ain't goin in the right way
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Tequnically, you don't NEED the Bible to be saved. But saying that the Bible has not merit is completely disregarding God's purspose for his Bible. It doesn't matter who wrote it, it's true and it illustrates God's plan for our lives.
Alright, that was my original point.
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Great. Then we are on the same page on that.
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back to books please
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Great. Then we are on the same page on that.
One may reach salvation without the Bible and there are many works in addition to the 73 that truth may be found in. However, the Bible is the most credible source as to finding out information on who Jesus was.back to books please
Ironically, after Nietzsche I'm probably going to take a run through Proverbs and Wisdom, then hit up the N.T.
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Being limitless is hardly a bad thing.
Humans without limits is most certainly a bad thing. Assuming that you aren't just messing with me here with such a ludicrous statement, your attitude reminds me much of Adam and Eve in the Garden. They wanted to be just like God and didn't want to have limits. Look where that got them (and us).
Limits halt progress.
This is just dumb. I am going to assume that you are smart enough to not actually believe that mankind would be better off if there were never any limits on them. I am therefore going to assume that you are just trying to be funny or annoying or something, and not follow this rabbit trail any further.
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If your false hypothetical was true, yes I would take speed to help me on a paper. I don't care about legality or the ridiculous dogmas of the "holiness movement." I do, however, care about the damage to my brain, the loss of control, and hallucinations speed causes. If those did not exist and it just made me think faster (which is what Adderoll is in the first place: speed without the bad stuff), I would totally take speed. In other words, that's a ridiculous false hypothetical.
So the only reason you don't take any drug is because you personally have decided that the negative side effects outweigh the benefits. And you don't care that your example could lead to destroying someone else's life because they follow your philosophy and have different levels of knowledge about negative side effects.
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If your false hypothetical was true, yes I would take speed to help me on a paper. I don't care about legality or the ridiculous dogmas of the "holiness movement." I do, however, care about the damage to my brain, the loss of control, and hallucinations speed causes. If those did not exist and it just made me think faster (which is what Adderoll is in the first place: speed without the bad stuff), I would totally take speed. In other words, that's a ridiculous false hypothetical.
So the only reason you don't take any drug is because you personally have decided that the negative side effects outweigh the benefits. And you don't care that your example could lead to destroying someone else's life because they follow your philosophy and have different levels of knowledge about negative side effects.
Well, obviously anyone who knows me knows I don't I'm not doing speed.
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Well, obviously anyone who knows me knows I don't I'm not doing speed.
Actually, it is possible that someone could see you popping pills and not know what they are. And it is also possible that someone who knows that you WOULD do speed if it wasn't going to hurt you. And it is possible that they might not believe that speed would hurt them (many people deny the dangers of drugs), and therefore start doing it. It is also possible that Adderoll has some more harmful side effects than you are aware of.
I'm just saying that taking any drug on a regular basis that is only necessary due to lifestyle choices (such as not getting enough sleep, or procrastination) is a dangerous thing for yourself and those around you.
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You need to provide sources to back your claim if you wish to make such a claim.
What are your sources for any of your claims?
I don't need a source, you're the one making claims.
What about "The Bible is false," or "It's okay to do drugs," or "Satan is weak," or "You should disobey government," or "People are predestined to be saved?" What's your backup on any of those?
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Well, obviously anyone who knows me knows I don't I'm not doing speed.
Actually, it is possible that someone could see you popping pills and not know what they are. And it is also possible that someone who knows that you WOULD do speed if it wasn't going to hurt you. And it is possible that they might not believe that speed would hurt them (many people deny the dangers of drugs), and therefore start doing it. It is also possible that Adderoll has some more harmful side effects than you are aware of.
I'm just saying that taking any drug on a regular basis that is only necessary due to lifestyle choices (such as not getting enough sleep, or procrastination) is a dangerous thing for yourself and those around you.
I take it every day as prescribed by my doctor and it has nothing to do with lifestyle choices. As for your "slippery slope" I'm not even going to bother.
You need to provide sources to back your claim if you wish to make such a claim.
What are your sources for any of your claims?
I don't need a source, you're the one making claims.
What about "The Bible is false," or "It's okay to do drugs," or "Satan is weak," or "You should disobey government," or "People are predestined to be saved?" What's your backup on any of those?
First of all, I didn't say the Bible was false, I just I didn't believe it to be the word of God and you cannot provide any evidence to support your claim that it is.
I never said it was okay to do drugs.
Satan is weak. Prove me wrong.
Tell me why you should obey your government.
Your own Bible could give the answers to the predestination question. The logical answer is simply, if there is free-will, there is no God. If man has the freedom to deny God his Godship, then man is God. I need no outside sources, I'm using an appeal to reason.
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Tell me why you should obey your government.
Tell me if it is okay to steal or murder?
First of all, I didn't say the Bible was false, I just I didn't believe it to be the word of God and you cannot provide any evidence to support your claim that it is.
How about the fact that every prediction it has made so far has come true. You will never be able to find a single passage in the scripture that can be proven false.
Your own Bible could give the answers to the predestination question. The logical answer is simply, if there is free-will, there is no God. If man has the freedom to deny God his Godship, then man is God. I need no outside sources, I'm using an appeal to reason.
Are you saying that people do not have free will?
Satan is weak. Prove me wrong.
Okay then, why don't you go beat him up for me?
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Tell me if it is okay to steal or murder?
Completely non-sequitor
How about the fact that every prediction it has made so far has come true. You will never be able to find a single passage in the scripture that can be proven false.
Didn't you just say I wasn't providing sources?
Are you saying that people do not have free will?
Can man defy what God has ordained? If so, God is not God.
Okay then, why don't you go beat him up for me?
Sure, where's he at?
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First of all, I didn't say the Bible was false
Oh really?
I don't view the Bible as a credible source, actually.
I will prove the Bible wrong right now.
In point of fact you have made claims. And yet you cannot prove that the Bible isn't the word of God. You cannot prove that it isn't credible. You choose to believe that, just as I choose to believe that it is credible and that it is the Word of God. The difference is that there is more evidence supporting my choice than yours. But realistically it doesn't really matter to you. In spite of what you write, I don't believe that your beliefs are based on evidence. Your beliefs all seem to coincidentally line up with the lifestyle that you want to live, rather than you making your lifestyle line up with the beliefs that you should have.
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Can man defy what God has ordained? If so, God is not God.
The only way you can "defy what he has ordained" is if you know what that is. Do you know what God has ordained? No, so how do you know if you're defying it? You can't. You see, people can make choices even when God already knows what they will choose.
Tell me if it is okay to steal or murder?
Completely non-sequitor
I was heading somewhere, but I guess you just like ignoring people better.
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In point of fact you have made claims.
I have made no claims, I have merely declined to accept your claims.
And yet you cannot prove that the Bible isn't the word of God.
Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt? No. But have you given any evidence?
You cannot prove that it isn't credible.
I showed you the example of the mistranslation, the two seperate creation accounts in Genesis also comes to mind.
You choose to believe that, just as I choose to believe that it is credible and that it is the Word of God.
The burden of proof, however, is on you as you are attempting to prove the credibility of the Bible.
The difference is that there is more evidence supporting my choice than yours.
Oh really? You haven't shown me any.
But realistically it doesn't really matter to you.
More personal attacks.
In spite of what you write, I don't believe that your beliefs are based on evidence.
No, based on lack of evidence actually.
Your beliefs all seem to coincidentally line up with the lifestyle that you want to live, rather than you making your lifestyle line up with the beliefs that you should have.
You don't know my lifestyle; you think I'm going down a path to meth.
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In point of fact you have made claims.
I have made no claims, I have merely declined to accept your claims.
In which you are implying (claiming) that our claims are false.
You cannot prove that it isn't credible.
I showed you the example of the mistranslation, the two seperate creation accounts in Genesis also comes to mind.
What are you talking about? I didn't see that.
The difference is that there is more evidence supporting my choice than yours.
Oh really? You haven't shown me any.
Have you ever read the Bible? If you haven't, you should definitely do so before you claim that it is false. If you have, then you would certainly know some of the predictions made in it that have come true. - Just see Revelation.
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And yet you cannot prove that the Bible isn't the word of God.
Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt? No. But have you given any evidence?
Ok, I'm glad we agree on that. You can't prove that the Bible isn't God's Word 100%, and I can't prove that it is 100%. So both of us are "choosing" to believe our perspective based on some amount of "faith".
You cannot prove that it isn't credible.
I showed you the example of the mistranslation, the two seperate creation accounts in Genesis also comes to mind.
You showed me something you think is a mistranslation, and I showed you that there is no evidence that it is false that we are a little lower than the angels. You proved nothing. Your point about Genesis, and probably 20 other similar stereotypical examples of "where the Bible contradicts itself" are as easily explained and understood.
You choose to believe that, just as I choose to believe that it is credible and that it is the Word of God.
The burden of proof, however, is on you as you are attempting to prove the credibility of the Bible.
Wrong. This is a Christian forum. It is assumed that the Bible is true here. If you believe differently, then the burden is on you.
You don't know my lifestyle; you think I'm going down a path to meth.
Actually, I know a decent amount about your lifestyle after reading your posts for the last year or more. If it weren't for the great purge, I could go back and quote quite a bit. And I am much less convinced that you are on a path to meth, than I am convinced that you are on a path away from Christianity.
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And yet you cannot prove that the Bible isn't the word of God.
Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt? No. But have you given any evidence?
Ok, I'm glad we agree on that. You can't prove that the Bible isn't God's Word 100%, and I can't prove that it is 100%. So both of us are "choosing" to believe our perspective based on some amount of "faith".
That is some bad relativism. Your lack of evidence is my evidence. I am going to change my claim to this: there is no evidence to say that the Bible is the word of God.
You cannot prove that it isn't credible.
I showed you the example of the mistranslation, the two seperate creation accounts in Genesis also comes to mind.
You showed me something you think is a mistranslation, and I showed you that there is no evidence that it is false that we are a little lower than the angels. You proved nothing. Your point about Genesis, and probably 20 other similar stereotypical examples of "where the Bible contradicts itself" are as easily explained and understood.
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Elohim means God, you know that.
You choose to believe that, just as I choose to believe that it is credible and that it is the Word of God.
The burden of proof, however, is on you as you are attempting to prove the credibility of the Bible.
Wrong. This is a Christian forum. It is assumed that the Bible is true here. If you believe differently, then the burden is on you.
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So this is a facist regime? I have my proof. There is no evidence to support your claim of credibility.
You don't know my lifestyle; you think I'm going down a path to meth.
Actually, I know a decent amount about your lifestyle after reading your posts for the last year or more. If it weren't for the great purge, I could go back and quote quite a bit. And I am much less convinced that you are on a path to meth, than I am convinced that you are on a path away from Christianity.
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Just because I have a beer now and then, hate the government, have a smoke now and then, and take the prescribed medicine my doctor gives me doesn't mean I'm living a "lifestyle of sin" and heading down some kind of path to becoming the next Sid Vicious.
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Your lack of evidence is my evidence. I am going to change my claim to this: there is no evidence to say that the Bible is the word of God.
For a person who claims to not make any claims, you keep making claims :)
Elohim means God, you know that.
Elohim "typically" means God, and you know that. In fact I can quote you :)
...the word Elohim (which typically means God...
You choose to believe that, just as I choose to believe that it is credible and that it is the Word of God.
The burden of proof, however, is on you as you are attempting to prove the credibility of the Bible.
Wrong. This is a Christian forum. It is assumed that the Bible is true here. If you believe differently, then the burden is on you.
So this is a facist regime? I have my proof. There is no evidence to support your claim of credibility.
No amazingly, being a Christian forum does not necessarily mean being a facist forum :) And your wordplay is silly. You are still claiming that the Bible which is believed to be credible by almost everyone on this forum is not credible. You need something better to back that up than the fact that I can't prove that it is credible 100%. You can't prove anything 100% and don't even believe the chair you are sitting on is actually real. So my lack of 100% proof doesn't really give you any support at all.
Just because I have a beer now and then, hate the government, have a smoke now and then, and take the prescribed medicine my doctor gives me doesn't mean I'm living a "lifestyle of sin" and heading down some kind of path to becoming the next Sid Vicious.
The fact that you compare yourself to being better than Sid Vicious instead of comparing yourself to being Christlike is just one small part of why you are on the path away from Christianity.
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Your lack of evidence is my evidence. I am going to change my claim to this: there is no evidence to say that the Bible is the word of God.
For a person who claims to not make any claims, you keep making claims :)
Nice way to side-step that one.
Elohim means God, you know that.
Elohim "typically" means God, and you know that. In fact I can quote you :)
...the word Elohim (which typically means God...
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It's typically translated God. The word means God.
You choose to believe that, just as I choose to believe that it is credible and that it is the Word of God.
The burden of proof, however, is on you as you are attempting to prove the credibility of the Bible.
Wrong. This is a Christian forum. It is assumed that the Bible is true here. If you believe differently, then the burden is on you.
So this is a facist regime? I have my proof. There is no evidence to support your claim of credibility.
No amazingly, being a Christian forum does not necessarily mean being a facist forum :) And your wordplay is silly. You are still claiming that the Bible which is believed to be credible by almost everyone on this forum is not credible. You need something better to back that up than the fact that I can't prove that it is credible 100%. You can't prove anything 100% and don't even believe the chair you are sitting on is actually real. So my lack of 100% proof doesn't really give you any support at all.
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I'm asking for evidence, not proof positive. Bandwagons mean nothing to me.
Just because I have a beer now and then, hate the government, have a smoke now and then, and take the prescribed medicine my doctor gives me doesn't mean I'm living a "lifestyle of sin" and heading down some kind of path to becoming the next Sid Vicious.
The fact that you compare yourself to being better than Sid Vicious instead of comparing yourself to being Christlike is just one small part of why you are on the path away from Christianity.
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Okay, Christ drank and upset authorities. He actually provided alchohol at parties.
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Nice way to side-step that one.
Just adding a touch of humor to our discussion. And I came back to it later anyway when I said your wordplay was silly. You are still claiming that the Bible is credible (when you say that there is no evidence that it is credible).
It's typically translated God. The word means God.
That is not what you said first, and it is obviously not always correct.
I'm asking for evidence, not proof positive.
And several people have given some. Someone has suggested a book that is full of evidence. The evidence is there, you're just not looking.
Okay, Christ drank and upset authorities. He actually provided alchohol at parties.
This whole conversation about Jesus drinking vs. modern American Christians drinking has already been run into the ground. If you haven't figured out any difference by now, then it's hopeless to repeat it all.
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You are still claiming that the Bible is credible (when you say that there is no evidence that it is credible).
We are not debating credibility we are debating whether it is the word of God or the word of man.
That is not what you said first, and it is obviously not always correct.
Why?
And several people have given some. Someone has suggested a book that is full of evidence. The evidence is there, you're just not looking.
There's been no evidence given as of yet, if I'm wrong please correct me.
This whole conversation about Jesus drinking vs. modern American Christians drinking has already been run into the ground. If you haven't figured out any difference by now, then it's hopeless to repeat it all.
Good, I won't want to give us more rabbit trails to go on.
Stop arguing trivial things and get to the point. What is your evidence to support your claim that the Bible is the "word of God?"
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We are not debating credibility we are debating whether it is the word of God or the word of man...There's been no evidence given as of yet, if I'm wrong please correct me.
How about the fact that every prediction it has made so far has come true. You will never be able to find a single passage in the scripture that can be proven false.
Have you read Evidence that Demands a Verdict ~ Josh McDowel? I don't think you could read that and maintain your position and be intellectually honest
I was more asking for any kind of defense of the Bible being, not only infallible, but incorruptible.
I've told you this before. My belief that the Bible has not been corrupted is based on the character of the Author.
God gave the Bible to people so that they could get to know him. God is powerful enough and smart enough to figure out a way to keep the Bible accurate despite the natural tendency of copying and translating to mess things up. And He loves us enough and wants us to be able to know Him enough to do what was necessary.
And in addition to all of this which has already been written, let me add that one can learn about God's essential qualities purely by studying the world around us that He created. And the Bible is the only book which claims to contain the truth about god, and which describes a god who actually matches up with the God that we would expect based on nature.
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We are not debating credibility we are debating whether it is the word of God or the word of man...There's been no evidence given as of yet, if I'm wrong please correct me.
How about the fact that every prediction it has made so far has come true. You will never be able to find a single passage in the scripture that can be proven false.
Have you read Evidence that Demands a Verdict ~ Josh McDowel? I don't think you could read that and maintain your position and be intellectually honest
I was more asking for any kind of defense of the Bible being, not only infallible, but incorruptible.
I've told you this before. My belief that the Bible has not been corrupted is based on the character of the Author.
God gave the Bible to people so that they could get to know him. God is powerful enough and smart enough to figure out a way to keep the Bible accurate despite the natural tendency of copying and translating to mess things up. And He loves us enough and wants us to be able to know Him enough to do what was necessary.
And in addition to all of this which has already been written, let me add that one can learn about God's essential qualities purely by studying the world around us that He created. And the Bible is the only book which claims to contain the truth about god, and which describes a god who actually matches up with the God that we would expect based on nature.
So that is supposed to prove your argument?
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So that is supposed to prove your argument?
You've got to be kidding. If you are serious here then you should go to sleep because it is 2am and your brain isn't working anymore, and I don't want you to have to take Adderoll in the morning to get it going :)
No this doesn't "prove" that the Bible is the Word of God. We already established that you can't prove anything 100%. Remember you aren't even sure that your chair really exists. But you are claiming that there is NO evidence, and that is clearly wrong.
I'm asking for evidence, not proof positive.
How can you so quickly forget what you are talking about :)
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I'm not exactly sure what Colin's looking for, but this site (http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/predictionstoday.html) may contain some evidence.
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I'm currently reading Modern Competitive Strategy by Gordon Walker and the Redemption Message Board by Stephen Schaefer, et al.
Furthermore, I originally assumed this thread had erupted into controversy when AngelCrusader777 stated that he read the entire Twilight series on page three. Even though it's for girls, Doug Gray needs to review it. If he thought Harry Potter was a bad influence for kids, Twilight will surely blow his brains against the ceiling.
Oh, and according to Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law), this thread should have ended when Fireninja brought up the holocaust in reference to Adderall.
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I'm currently reading Modern Competitive Strategy by Gordon Walker and the Redemption Message Board by Stephen Schaefer.
Furthermore, I originally assumed this thread had erupted into controversy when AngelCrusader777 stated that he read the entire Twilight series on page three. Even though it's for girls, Doug Gray needs to review it. If he thought Harry Potter was bad, Twilight will surely blow his brains against the ceiling.
Oh, and according to Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law), this thread should have ended when Fireninja brought up the holocaust in reference to Adderall.
Redemption Message Board was a collection of writers, headed by Stephen Schaefer. He was kinda the editor and added quite a few things too...
Twilight. I missed that. My friends and I make fun of Edward Cullen... if only I could do impressions online.
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So that is supposed to prove your argument?
You've got to be kidding. If you are serious here then you should go to sleep because it is 2am and your brain isn't working anymore, and I don't want you to have to take Adderoll in the morning to get it going :)
No this doesn't "prove" that the Bible is the Word of God. We already established that you can't prove anything 100%. Remember you aren't even sure that your chair really exists. But you are claiming that there is NO evidence, and that is clearly wrong.
I'm asking for evidence, not proof positive.
How can you so quickly forget what you are talking about :)
You're so lost in circular reasoning it is sad.
I am asking, "why do you think the bible is the word of God? What is the basis for you making that claim?"
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My Basis has for Biblical truth won't prove it absolutely (because nothing can).
The way I see it, there is a God. That has been porven to me in Science. Evolution is horribly false in my eyes from scientific evidence, and this has propelled me into the Intelligent Design theory, out of which I tossed out teh alien element, because, that's ridiculous. I then am left with a designer God. I choose to believe the Christian God is true after studies of most major relgions (based on a view that if a relgion is true it will last). To me, the Bible is simply the most logical thing to believe. I won't go out and say it's infallible (because as has been menitoned that term stems from the 1800s, so it's pretty new). However, I do believe it's inspired, so, any mistkaes that are there are supposed to be there. Yeah, illogical, I know.
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You're so lost in circular reasoning it is sad.
Wow, I expected you to be able to come up with at least some kind of well thought out response. I guess you were out of those.
I am asking, "why do you think the bible is the word of God? What is the basis for you making that claim?"
And I already answered that question. I (and others in this thread as well as other threads) have given you many evidences that the Bible is credible (with so many parts proven to be true) and written by God (with so many parts written that the author couldn't have known at the time like prophecies). You have claimed that there is NO evidence that the Bible is credible or written by God. I have clearly shown this to be wrong.
So instead of admitting your are wrong and moving on, you insult my reasoning and just repeat your question. You can do better.
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At this point, I'm just going to have to drop my inquiries and respect your views. It's easy to get caught up in the heat of debate and therefore I'd like to apologise to any of my brothers in Christ who may feel alienated. Whether one believes the Bible to be the work of men pointing to God or the words of God himself imparted to man, we are still united in one thing: faith in our Father and Jesus Christ whom he has sent. God himself is in control of all things; all of us were knit together by him before the dawn of time. Everyone has their journey they have to walk and everyone has been imparted as much truth as they need to complete that journey, for in all actuality, it is not their journey, but God's journey. All the glory to him.
I'm not exactly sure why you put this response in a different thread. But I commend it nonetheless. You are indeed correct that all Christians are united in our faith that He sent Jesus to die for us, is in control of all things, and knows us each completely (as well as many other uniting beliefs). I truly hope and pray that the journey of faith in your life and mine will always keep us united in these things, and that someday we will both be praising God together in Heaven for eternity.
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We are not debating credibility we are debating whether it is the word of God or the word of man.
My name is Brandon West. I am 15 years old. Oh... you don't believe me? Then prove me wrong. Not the other way around. If you go around assuming that everything is false until proven 100%, you will get nowhere. However, you go around accepting things but trying to prove them wrong, you'll do much better. Give me one solid reason why not to believe me.
Why?
I am typically nice. I am always nice. That is not the same statement. I could be typically nice, but be totally mean sometimes. Typically =/= always, you should know that as a smart person who studies phylosophy.
There's been no evidence given as of yet, if I'm wrong please correct me.
Someone provided the book "evidence that demans a verdict." For anyone who isn't well aquainted here's the story. He(Josh McDowell) was an evolutionist(as in no God). His job, the fact that he took pride in, was that he was going to be the guy who disproved the Bible. After years of researching... he became a Christian doing the exact opposite. Trying to prove the Bible guilty, he ended up giving his life to the Lord. Here's the deal: Challenge things. But don't be evasive. Have an open mind. The evidence is there. If you research it with an open mind, I'm confident you will not be dissapointed.
Stop arguing trivial things and get to the point. What is your evidence to support your claim that the Bible is the "word of God?"
You prove us wrong. We have made a claim. Prove us wrong.
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Colin has already conceded this debate FN. I think we should just leave it that way.
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Haha, yes. I agree. I didn't see your post. :)
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Colin has already conceded this debate FN.
FN? I have never seen that abbreviation before.
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FN= Fire Ninja
We use it alot on during the SoT tourney instead of typing his name out.
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Oooooooooooooooooh....:D
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i'v seen the enadence coln you been sawmped in ture word your doctine is false
Thank you for that wonderful speech in genuine frontier gibberish. And now, the translation:
"I've seen the evidence Colin. You've been swamped in true word and your doctrine is false. "
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i'v seen the enadence coln you been sawmped in ture word your doctine is false
Thank you for that wonderful speech in genuine frontier gibberish. And now, the translation:
"I've seen the evidence Colin. You've been swamped in true word and your doctrine is false. "
lol add that to ya thead Prof :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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:rollin: please prof!that is just gold!
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i can't stop lololololing :laugh: :laugh: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:
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apparently you can't stop spamming either ::)
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I'm currently reading Dante's Divine Comedy. I'm at the 9th circle of hell, about to go through Purgatorio and Paradisio.
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I just read "carry a big stick" by Theodore Roosevelt. Awesome book... he truly was an awesome man and president. :)
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apparently you can't stop spamming either ::)
Now that's gold :P
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Being and Time by Martin Heidegger, and Groundwork for the Metaphysics of Morals by Immanuel Kant for school (I should have that finished tomorrow, for I need to write a paper on it).
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I just started The Shack today. For school I'm reading several: Nurture that is Christian, 10 Questions to Diagnose your Spiritual Health, and Renovation of the Heart. Finished The Great Divorce about a week ago.
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I just started The Shack today. For school I'm reading several: Nurture that is Christian, 10 Questions to Diagnose your Spiritual Health, and Renovation of the Heart. Finished The Great Divorce about a week ago.
I hated The Shack. Great Divorce is awesome though...
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I've heard mixed reviews of The Shack, but the author is speaking at my school on Tuesday.
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Being and Time by Martin Heidegger, and Groundwork for the Metaphysics of Morals by Immanuel Kant for school (I should have that finished tomorrow, for I need to write a paper on it).
What did you think about Being and Time?
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Much like the main character of Twilight, this thread lives to serve men and suffer.
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Being and Time by Martin Heidegger, and Groundwork for the Metaphysics of Morals by Immanuel Kant for school (I should have that finished tomorrow, for I need to write a paper on it).
What did you think about Being and Time?
So far I'm really enjoying it.
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I've been reading Shaef's closed threads. There are way too many. ::)
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I've been reading Shaef's closed threads. There are way too many. ::)
HAHA. Those are synonomous with off topic threads that go over 10 pages. :D
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I'm reading Lunatic(Ted Dekker). When i finish i plan to read Elyon(Ted Dekker) and when i get it i gonna read Green(Ted Dekker).
Who do you think one of my favorite authors is? ???
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the book of exodus though i think i may need to put it on hold so i can read jeremiah and proverbs
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Bible, anything by C.S. Lewis. That's the good majority of it.
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Im reading the Silmarillion right now. ALmost done with it.
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I'm reading the following all at once:
Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov
Carl Jung, Modern Man in Search of a Soul
Hegel, Philosophy of Right
Michel Foucault, Madness and Civilization
Aristotle, Metaphysics
Martin Heidegger, Being and Time
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Im reading Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Alan Dean Foster
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The Vanishing Sculpter, a sequel to the Dragon Spell series (or Dragon Keeper series, I forgot). It's good, almost done :D
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Im reading the Silmarillion right now. ALmost done with it.
I tried to read that last year it was confusing
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I've been reading Shaef's closed threads. There are way too many. ::)
LOL! i'm suprised i didn't catch this til now.
there are so many scheaf locked threads that scheaf himself could make it into the world's biggest novel XD just messin scheaf ;)
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The Vanishing Sculpter, a sequel to the Dragon Spell series (or Dragon Keeper series, I forgot). It's good, almost done :D
I'm on the second book in the dragon keeper series
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All of the Sherlock Holmes and LOTS of Frank Pereti (or something)....
:angel:
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have any of you read the door within trilogy, isle of fire, or isle of swords
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harry potter
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Good man. Excellent, Christian series.
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have any of you read the door within trilogy, isle of fire, or isle of swords
I did. they were ok... I thought they were a bit predictable.
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Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left By Jonah Goldberg. well listening to should havei t done in hour or so then im getting The 5000 year leap.
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Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left By Jonah Goldberg. well listening to should havei t done in hour or so then im getting The 5000 year leap.
No offense, but this sounds like propaganda to me.
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The last book I read was Brisinger, Paolini(author). 800 something page book and read in 3 days.
In the Bible, I started for the whole thing. I'm only halfway through Genisis. I've read Exodus through Joshua alread but I might read those because there my favorite books in the Bible. :kenobi: <Now moses
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its not. Its just stating history and going over what fascism is and how it is connected to the left. On this you can not deny it. Go ahead and pick up and read for your self. But its great book.
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its not. Its just stating history and going over what fascism is and how it is connected to the left. On this you can not deny it. Go ahead and pick up and read for your self. But its great book.
I'm willing to bet it's about as fact filled as James Carville's book about 40 more years of democratic rule.
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its not. Its just stating history and going over what fascism is and how it is connected to the left. On this you can not deny it. Go ahead and pick up and read for your self. But its great book.
Fascism is right-wing, actually.
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this book is its one of those books recomended by glen beck as well. If any of you have read his common sense book you will understand. No its more of the left colin. Pick up book and read it.
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Fascism is a right wing idea Josh.
Right=Conservative and traditional
Left=Liberal and progressive
Traditional ideas include typically authoritarian governments and Progressives would fall closer to a communistic or socialistic idea.
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Well, the main difference between right and left is that the right is individualistic and the left is collectivist, but you've got the gist of it.
Fascism is when the government exalts a certain number of individuals (say, the Germans) and communism is when the government distributes the wealth as needed among the people.
Libertarian capitalism (right winged anarchism) is when there is very little government and social Darwinism, libertarian socialism (left winged anarchism) is when there is very little government and a collectivist communal mindset.
Those are the basic extremes of far right and far left.
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That's not even remotely true. The left is defined by progressiveness and the right is defined by traditionalism. Facism is the marriage of big business and big government, and is closer to centrist than anything else in that it combines the far leftist ideal of government interference with the far right-wing ideal of monopoly. The notion that Fascism is right-wing is a fanciful invention of people who are so far to the left, anything to the right of them looks like it's to the right of center.
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That's not even remotely true. The left is defined by progressiveness and the right is defined by traditionalism. Facism is the marriage of big business and big government, and is closer to centrist than anything else in that it combines the far leftist ideal of government interference with the far right-wing ideal of monopoly. The notion that Fascism is right-wing is a fanciful invention of people who are so far to the left, anything to the right of them looks like it's to the right of center.
You are incorrect there, sir.
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Can anyone say "off topic"? :D
Anyway, besides the Bible, I am currently reading several books (I can't read just one at a time). They are as follows: That Hideous Strength by C.S. Lewis, Lost Scriptures by Bart D. Ehrman, and The Many Gospels of Jesus by Philip W. Comfort and Jason Driesbach. Don't read too much into those last two. I believe the 66 books of the Protestant Bible to be the only inspired (as per 2 Timothy 3:16-17 -- although I do consider the books of the Apocrypha to be good reading and useful for historical information), but I've always been fascinated by the other books that never made it in and why they were never accepted in the canon of Scripture.
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I love how this "quick poll" is eighteen pages. :D
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That Hideous Strength by C.S. Lewis
I've tried to read that thing three times and just can't get through it. I've read the first two, does it really connect to them at all?
I'm currently reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? by Philip K. dork. Didn't care a whole lot for Scott's movie, but the book is pretty good so far, and makes far more sense. I'm also about to re-read G. K. Chesterton's The Man Who was Thursday, as I didn't really "get it" when I read it in high school.
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its not. Its just stating history and going over what fascism is and how it is connected to the left. On this you can not deny it. Go ahead and pick up and read for your self. But its great book.
Fascism is right-wing, actually.
Fascism is left-wing, actually. It the other side of the coin of communism. The Nazi were the "Nationalist Socialist Party".
Libertarians are far right wing, but they are like herding cats
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We prefer the term "feline individualists."
SK, That Hideous Strength does indeed connect to the other two in the trilogy, but you have to get a good ways into it to find the connection. It's a fantastic read if you can get through how dense the first bit is.
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im readin the iliad by homer
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I'm reading Desiring God right now... its really deep, so it's making my head hurt...
~Marti
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That Hideous Strength by C.S. Lewis
I've tried to read that thing three times and just can't get through it. I've read the first two, does it really connect to them at all?
I'm currently reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? by Philip K. dork. Didn't care a whole lot for Scott's movie, but the book is pretty god so far, and makes far more sense. I'm also about to re-read G. K. Chesterton's The Man Who was Thursday, as I didn't really "get it" when I read it in high school.
I haven't gotten far enough into it to know yet. lol I'm almost through the first chapter, but Minister Polarius assures us that it is, so there you go. Also, I should probably add Life, the Universe, and Everything by Douglas Adams to the list of books I'm reading. It's part of the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy series. I've read the first two books and haven't started that one yet.
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its not. Its just stating history and going over what fascism is and how it is connected to the left. On this you can not deny it. Go ahead and pick up and read for your self. But its great book.
Fascism is right-wing, actually.
Fascism is left-wing, actually. It the other side of the coin of communism. The Nazi were the "Nationalist Socialist Party".
Libertarians are far right wing, but they are like herding cats
It really all depends on your definitions of right and left. According to the classical definitions of right and left, fascism is the far right. However, newer conservative systems have put fascism on the far left. I personally like the Cartesian plane system myself.
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From Glen becks book Common Sense.
I hope this book serves as solid starting point in your journey to learn more about your country, its history, and what it needs to be one to put her back on course.
But this book can be only that: a starting point. You must continue your education and learning that you will recongnie those people whose plans and policies promote personal freedom and responsibility, along with danger signs of those whoses policies will do the apposite.
These books are just few that I have read over past twive months and have really opend my eyes. I believe first two should be required reading.The 5000 Year Leap is essential to understanding why our Founder built this Republic the way they did, and American progressivism will reveal how our country began to leave its core roots and where pathway ultimaty leads.
Additional Reading
The 500 Year Leap: A Miracle That Changed the World, by W. Cleon Skousen (National Center for Constitutional Studies)
Americian Progressivism, edited by Ronald J. Presritto and William J. Atto (lexington)
The Real Benjamin Franklin, By Andrew M. Allison, M. Richard Maxfield, And W. Cleon Skousen (National Center for Constitutional Studies)
The Forgotten Man: A New history of Great Depression , by Amity Shlaes (HarperCollins)
The Real George Washington, By Andrew Alison, Jay A. Parry and W. Cleon Skousen, (National Center for Constitutional Studies)
Lenin, Stalin, Hitler: The Age of Social Catastrophe, By Robert Gellately (Vintage)
Liberal Fascism: The Sercert History of American Left, From Mussolini to Politics of Meaning, By Jonah Goldberg (Doubleday)
New Deal or Raw Deal? How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damage America. By Burton Folsom, Jr.(Threshold Editions)
The Real Thomas Jefferson, By Andrew M. Allison, K DeLynn Cook, M. Richard Maxfield, And W. Cleon Skousen (National Center for Constitutional Studies)
Wildrow Wilson and Roots of Modern Liberalism, By Ronal J. Pestritto (Rowsman & little Field)
Now I personal would add one more book to that list.
Liberty and Tranny: A Consertive Manifesto, By Mark R. Levin.
Alson Add Glen Beck's Common Sense: The Case Agienst a Out-Of-Control Government, inspired By Thomas Paine.
Books I have read off this is Liberty and Tranny,Liberal Fascism, And Common Sense. I am starting 5000 year leap next as soon as my book store gets it in as I got it on hold. Fight with me if you want on this but I'm just starting my reading and need to read these books too.
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G.K. Chesterton's Orthodoxy.
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It's got some great stuff in it when he's not being Papisty.
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Hmm, I'm two chapters from the end and I have yet to detect any Roman Catholic polemics...
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Maybe you're a closet Catholic?
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Or maybe you're an embittered Protestant? ;)
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The last book I read was Brisinger, Paolini(author). 800 something page book and read in 3 days.
comparing that book to Eragon and Eldest (which were awful, to say the least), it was amazing... otherwise, it was decent. Eragon isn't dead yet though... it's making me angry. :maul:
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Gone with the Wind by francine Rivers, Thr3e by Ted Dekker.
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I finished II Timothy and I'm going to start reading Titus.
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Thr3e by Ted Dekker.
hated the book, hated the movie. Ted Dekker's worst book.
although I have heard of people who think it's brilliant, I think it's fail...
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Thr3e by Ted Dekker.
hated the book, hated the movie. Ted Dekker's worst book.
although I have heard of people who think it's brilliant, I think it's fail...
I thought the twist at the end was quite clever, but it left a pretty gaping plot hole. I haven't read the book, I've only seen the movie. I do, however, intend to read it sometime. I would also like to read his trilogy (which had titles that were colors -- the name escapes me at the moment) that takes place in the dreaming and waking worlds. It sounds very interesting. I'd also like to read Ted Dekker's and Frank Peretti's collaboration, House.
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I really liked Thr3e. He completely convinced me that the solution he chose should be completely discounted before revealing it was the only possibility. The movie, however, was fail, as was the film for House. He doesn't write very visually, so the films don't work.
Guess I need to get my copy of Hideous Strength back out. I'm gonna force myself to finish it this time :)
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Is Ted Dekker a christian?
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Is Ted Dekker a christian?
Well, I don't know much about him personally, but he writes Christian fiction. He's similar to Frank Peretti, except that Frank Peretti writes more horror-type stories and Ted Dekker, from what I understand, writes more thriller-type stories.
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I really liked Thr3e. He completely convinced me that the solution he chose should be completely discounted before revealing it was the only possibility. The movie, however, was fail, as was the film for House. He doesn't write very visually, so the films don't work.
haha, I laughed at House the movie... hysterically.
I must say, I thought Susan would be more of a sweet little girl. I liked the change. but it was so random...
Is Ted Dekker a christian?
definitely. read The Circle Trilogy. awesome series.
speaking of Dekker, I picked up Saint yesterday for $5. second best of his. only topped by Obsessed.
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Woo, Boethius' Consolation of Philosophy!
/nerdfest
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I read the Silmarillion!
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Woo, Boethius' Consolation of Philosophy!
/nerdfest
I don't think of philosophy, theology, literature, or political science to be "nerdy" academic pursuits.
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Then you're in denial. Accept your nerd-hood. ;)
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Then you're in denial. Accept your nerd-hood. ;)
I refuse to under the ground that chicks dig philosophers.
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Your problem is that you can't conceive of a nerd that chicks dig.
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Your problem is that you can't conceive of a nerd that chicks dig.
No, I'm more citing the difference between the nerd and the Renaissance men. The nerd isn't cultured, the Renaissance man is.
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Your problem is that you can't conceive of a nerd that chicks dig.
No, I'm more citing the difference between the nerd and the Renaissance men. The nerd isn't cultured, the Renaissance man is.
It depends on your definition of culture. The nerds are the ones more likely to play chess, join the debate team, or play roleplaying games based on a certain culture's mythology.
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I'm currently reading (as silly as it sounds) The Artemis fowl series.
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I'm currently reading (as silly as it sounds) The Artemis fowl series.
I've actually heard that that's really really good. I've been tempted to read it myself.
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...chicks dig philosophers.
Someone clearly hasn't seen Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure recently. Philosophers are "such a geek", and the chicks dig Billy the Kid.
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...chicks dig philosophers.
Someone clearly hasn't seen Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure recently. Philosophers are "such a geek", and the chicks dig Billy the Kid.
Fiction Mark, pure fiction.
Or maybe I'm atypical because I play music as well.
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Someone clearly hasn't seen Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure recently.
Fiction Mark, pure fiction.
How can you say that something that realistic is fiction. Next you'll be telling me there isn't a Tooth Fairy or Easter Bunny!
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...chicks dig philosophers.
Someone clearly hasn't seen Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure recently. Philosophers are "such a geek", and the chicks dig Billy the Kid.
"Look up Socrates. Oh, it's under So-crates."
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Your problem is that you can't conceive of a nerd that chicks dig.
The nerd isn't cultured, the Renaissance man is.
False. That depends on the nerd and his cross-section of interests. "Nerd" is a blanket term for anyone whose primary interests lie outside the mainstream culture of "cool", e.g. lowbrow music and movies, booze, women, etc. While nerds may take interest in those things or be quite good in social circles, their fundamental interests are atypical, e.g. philosophy, hardcore gaming, computers, mathematics, CCGs, literature, etc.
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Your problem is that you can't conceive of a nerd that chicks dig.
The nerd isn't cultured, the Renaissance man is.
False. That depends on the nerd and his cross-section of interests. "Nerd" is a blanket term for anyone whose primary interests lie outside the mainstream culture of "cool", e.g. lowbrow music and movies, booze, women, etc. While nerds may take interest in those things or be quite good in social circles, their fundamental interests are atypical, e.g. philosophy, hardcore gaming, computers, mathematics, CCGs, literature, etc.
See, I think the problem is that I live in Nashville. Everything "indie" is the mainstream cool.
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Indie=/=Culture. Or, stated in other terms, an Literary interest in Catcher in the Rye or anything by Whitman=/=Love of literature.
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Indie=/=Culture. Or, stated in other terms, an Literary interest in Catcher in the Rye or anything by Whitman=/=Love of literature.
You like to act like an authority on things that you don't know anything about, don't you?
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I will speak at the level of sensibility provided by the forum. I'd think it'd be pretty obvious by now that the cliche about Special Olympics and arguing on the internet is cliche because it's true.
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what am i reading?
this thread :P
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I will speak at the level of sensibility provided by the forum. I'd think it'd be pretty obvious by now that the cliche about Special Olympics and arguing on the internet is cliche because it's true.
I'm just saying that you aren't a participant in the Nashville night life and thus, in my opinion, are a poor judge of its people.
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I will speak at the level of sensibility provided by the forum. I'd think it'd be pretty obvious by now that the cliche about Special Olympics and arguing on the internet is cliche because it's true.
I'm just saying that you aren't a participant in the Nashville night life and thus, in my opinion, are a poor judge of its people.
"do not judge and you will not be judged"
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I will speak at the level of sensibility provided by the forum. I'd think it'd be pretty obvious by now that the cliche about Special Olympics and arguing on the internet is cliche because it's true.
I'm just saying that you aren't a participant in the Nashville night life and thus, in my opinion, are a poor judge of its people.
"do not judge and you will not be judged"
No one asked for your input on this.
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No one asked you to do 10 pages of off-topic nonsense.
Back on topic... I haven't been reading a whole lot lately... last book I read was "echo in the darkness."
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[quote last book I read was "echo in the darkness."
[/quote] Whos the author?
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Francine Rivers. It's the sequel to "a voice in the wind."
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I'm currently reading "The Bronze Bow".
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I was going to read some Nietzche but I didn't want to play .10 c per page.
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Francine Rivers. It's the sequel to "a voice in the wind."
Ah, great trilogy! :)
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Yeah.... I need to read "as sure as the Dawn." My fav character in the first two was the gladiator, so I should enjoy it.
On a side note... they aren't the greatest books... the language they use REALLY doesn't seem like you're in the Roman times. :-*
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Obviously they're a guilty pleasure. But that doesn't make them not awesome. :P
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Francine Rivers. It's the sequel to "a voice in the wind."
Ah, great trilogy! :)
Is it a christian book series?
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im currently read everybodys post
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I started Heidegger's Being and Time (Sein und Zeit) for the fourth time from the beginning but this time carefully studied the foreward and translator's notes. It's really good and deep, but is undoubtedly the most difficult philosophical text ever written (though I find it less strenuous than reading Plato's dialogs; as brilliantly as they are written, they go off on too many unnecessary tangents).
I've got a bookmark in the second chapter of Jung's Modern Man in Search of a Soul, which is an introduction to the Jungian method of psychoanalysis.
I'm also in the middle of Foucault's Madness and Civilization, which is a Nietzschean "genealogy" (or as Foucault calls it: "archeology") into the origins of madness and insanity that traces (and thereby compares) the beginning of the institutionalisation of the the insane to the disappearance of lepers (and the leper colonies). Essentially, leprousy disappeared but the morality that revolved around leprousy (and the isolation of members from society) did not change.
I'm also in the middle of Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov, which is really an unbelievable book, however, I haven't been in much of a fiction mood of late.
I've also been flirting with Aristotle's Metaphysics, Hegel's Philosophy of Right, Kierkegaard's Sickness Unto Death, Jean-Paul Sartre's Being and Nothingness and several philosophical and psychological textbooks.
I'm using this extremely long in-depth analysis post as a diversion from sitting in the library reading Being and Time, coincidentally.
P.S. To all philosophically minded Christians, especially Lewis lovers, I highly recommend Kierkegaard's Fear and Trembling. The book is a philosophical analysis of faith, but done through a method Kierkegaard calls "indirect communication". Essentially, Kierkegaard takes on a pseudonym who writes his thoughts in regards to stories, myths, and scriptures; however, the thought portrayed is not the analysis themselves, rather the analysis serves as a kind of allegory for Kierkegaard's philosophy and views on Christianity. It will rock your world, but won't (as people might suspect of a book I recommend) offend or disregard aspects of your faith; in fact, it should strengthen your faith greatly.
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I'm reading all the updated topics. (didn't get on here yesterday)
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I'm currently reading "The Bronze Bow".
loved that one.
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I'm currently reading "The Bronze Bow".
that book was great i'm also reading jack and jill by lusia may alcott.
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I am currently reading Harry Potter...not sure if I am allowed to say I am reading that or not...
Please don't get sassy with the board rules.
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After getting a headache reading Chesterton's "Paradoxes of Mr. Pond," I'm ready to try Lewis' "That Hideous Strength" again. We'll see how it goes...
Also, I finished Dekker's "The Boneman's Daughter"... very disappointing.
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You would post here.
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so sue me. See my post. got to love groucho
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I am reading this post.
Oh, that joke got old like 20 pages ago. My bad.
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I am reading this Thread.
Oh, that joke got old like 23 pages ago. My bad.
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Notice how people keep necroposting this thread?
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Okay Know I'm going to get burned for this but whatev
The Werewolf in Lore and Legend by Montague Summers
:rollin:
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Notice how people keep necroposting this thread?
Yeah, I was reading Critique of Pure Reason at the start of Freshman year.
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Also, I finished Dekker's "The Boneman's Daughter"... very disappointing.
agreed.
I am reading Dekker's facebook page... it's really quite good.
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Notice how people keep necroposting this thread?
Yeah, I was reading Critique of Pure Reason at the start of Freshman year.
at such time u were how old?
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Notice how people keep necroposting this thread?
u mean like this? ::)
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Notice how people keep necroposting this thread?
u mean like this? ::)
No. Necroposting is different than doubleposting.
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Notice how people keep necroposting this thread?
Yeah, I was reading Critique of Pure Reason at the start of Freshman year.
at such time u were how old?
Well, it's the start of sophomore year right now, so I was 19.
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necroposting is bringing a post back from the dead...
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necroposting is bringing a post back from the dead...
Sounds fun! ;D
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Lord of the Flies was bleh. I am in the middle of the series of Vampire Knight the manga. I just started so i need to get some more of those books lolol
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So no one around here ever reads Star Wars!!!!!!?????????? They are the second most awesome books ever!!!!
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I recently read for school:
Les Miserables
Pride and Prejudice
The Importance of Being Ernest
Tail of Two Cities
I really liked Les Miserables, but the rest were bleh... But, I was assigned Les Mis. for my 30 minute presentation, so that's good.
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Les Miserables is amazing.
I'm also actually a big Jane Austen fan, mainly because of the writings of Alasdair MacIntyre, a professor of philosophy at Notre Dame.
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I can honestly say that Pride and Prejudice is the only book I've never finished. I hated it that much.
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So no one around here ever reads Star Wars!!!!!!?????????? They are the second most awesome books ever!!!!
of course i read Star Wars Im Currently Reading Fate of the Jedi : Abyss
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Currently I'm re-reading through the Marvel Civil War comics that I have. I read them in the wrong order the first time so I'm thinking re-reading them might allow me to understand parts that made no sense last time :P
I can honestly say that Pride and Prejudice is the only book I've never finished. I hated it that much.
Ugh, don't even get me started on that book >_>
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Im currently reading the [Edited by R.O.S.E.S]card at this link [Edited by R.O.S.E.S]
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So no one around here ever reads Star Wars!!!!!!?????????? They are the second most awesome books ever!!!!
of course i read Star Wars Im Currently Reading Fate of the Jedi : Abyss
Then I guess us too are the only avid readers:( sniffle sniffle*
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So no one around here ever reads Star Wars!!!!!!?????????? They are the second most awesome books ever!!!!
of course i read Star Wars Im Currently Reading Fate of the Jedi : Abyss
Then I guess us too are the only avid readers:( sniffle sniffle*
no, pretty sure there's a few more.
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I'm reading the Minnesota Driver's Manuel. Did you know the sidewalk is for "pedestrians only"? That seems just silly. I'll drive there if I so choose!
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Now reading Pseudo-Dionysius' Divine Names, Mystical Theology, and Celestial Hierarchy.
Also, the Star Wars novels are awesome. Too bad I never have time to read them anymore. :(
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I'm re-reading The Fellowship of the Ring.
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I'm re-reading The Fellowship of the Ring.
it's soooo much better the second time through.
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+1 I finished the Silmarillion a few weeks ago, that might have something to do with it.
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i'm currently re-reading the harry potter series starting as usual with sorcerer's stone
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:doh:
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Reading The great war series by Harry Turtledove
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Door Within by Wayne Thomas Batson.
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Just finished Huckleberry Finn and now I'm starting The Golden Compass (please don't stab me).
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Just finished Huckleberry Finn and now I'm starting The Golden Compass (please don't stab me).
Don't worry. I don't play with knives (now fire, on the other hand...:P)
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Well, please don't...
stab me,
light me on fire,
shoot me (both guns and arrows apply),
drug me,
drown me,
push me down a flight of stairs,
run me over with a steam-roller,
set a bear trap in my room,
slip poisonous snakes or spiders into my bed,
drop an anvil or piano on my head,
torture me with Medieval tools,
implant a time bomb in my chest,
or make me watch a movie with Sarah Jessica Parker.
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I'll just make you listen to Brittany Spears, forever!!! :maul:
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Well, please don't...
stab me,
light me on fire,
shoot me (both guns and arrows apply),
drug me,
drown me,
push me down a flight of stairs,
run me over with a steam-roller,
set a bear trap in my room,
slip poisonous snakes or spiders into my bed,
drop an anvil or piano on my head,
torture me with Medieval tools,
implant a time bomb in my chest,
or make me watch a movie with Sarah Jessica Parker.
YAY!! That means I can strangle you.
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Well, please don't...
stab me,
light me on fire,
shoot me (both guns and arrows apply),
drug me,
drown me,
push me down a flight of stairs,
run me over with a steam-roller,
set a bear trap in my room,
slip poisonous snakes or spiders into my bed,
drop an anvil or piano on my head,
torture me with Medieval tools,
implant a time bomb in my chest,
or make me watch a movie with Sarah Jessica Parker.
YAY!! That means I can strangle you.
That's fine, because I can beat you up. :) stupid vegetarians...
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Just got my reading list.
For school, I am reading (in addition to textbooks):
Sire, James W. The Universe Next Door: A Basic Worldview Catalog
Ruiz, Don Miguel The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom
Berry, Wendell Sex, Economy, Freedom & Communi​ty: Eight Essays
McKibben, Bill Deep Economy
Pollan, Michael The Omnivore's Dilemma
Kierkegaard, Søren Fear and Trembling
Kierkegaard, Søren Philosophical Fragments
Hegel, GWF Phenomenology of Spirit
Marx, Karl Theses on Feuerbach
Marx, Karl The Communist Manifesto
Marx, Karl Economic Manuscripts of 1844
Marx, Karl Das Kapital
(If I get into the honors program, I drop the class with the first five for something else.)
I'm also going to be reading selected writings by Pythagoras, Heraclitus, Parmenides, Democritus, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Epicurus, Zeno, Lucretius, Epictetus, Marcus Arelius, Plotinus, and Thomas Aquinas over the course of the year.
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has any body heard of
Pride and Prejuidice and zombies
I want to read that
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This thread is nothing more than trying to find the most obscure book you are reading and posting about it in an attempt to "one up" other pretentious people.
SOOO, In my attempt to look smarter and more well-read than everyone else I am reading:
"The Art of War" by Sun Tzu
"The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith
"On the Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin,
"Reconstruction" by Eric Foner,
"The Three Trees" Retold by Angela Elwell Hunt (that one always makes me cry)
There. Top THAT!
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This thread is nothing more than trying to find the most obscure book you are reading and posting about it in an attempt to "one up" other pretentious people.
In my defense, most of the books I've posted so far are the only things I'm reading at the moment... yay for university. :P
I'm also going to be reading selected writings by Pythagoras, Heraclitus, Parmenides, Democritus, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Epicurus, Zeno, Lucretius, Epictetus, Marcus Arelius, Plotinus, and Thomas Aquinas over the course of the year.
Uh... you do realize that about half of those thinkers have no surviving texts for you to read, right?
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This thread is nothing more than trying to find the most obscure book you are reading and posting about it in an attempt to "one up" other pretentious people.
SOOO, In my attempt to look smarter and more well-read than everyone else I am reading:
"The Art of War" by Sun Tzu
"The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith
"On the Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin,
"Reconstruction" by Eric Foner,
"The Three Trees" Retold by Angela Elwell Hunt (that one always makes me cry)
There. Top THAT!
I'm going to be starting on Green Eggs and Ham tomorrow...
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I'm going to be starting on Green Eggs and Ham tomorrow...
That's a great book. There's an unexpected plot twist in the end.
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I am re-reading the Left Behind Series. :) Great series.
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I'm going to be starting on Green Eggs and Ham tomorrow...
That's a great book. There's an unexpected plot twist in the end.
Really? So was Dr. Seuss the original M. Night Shyamalan? :D
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Reading much Marx, Colin?
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Reading much Marx, Colin?
I'm taking a course on Hegel, Marx, and Kierkegaard, so yeah.
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He meant Groucho, so nah. ;)
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Currently reading various Oscar Wilde writings. About to start The Picture of Dorian Grey. (I believe that's what it's called)
And of course, I'm reading the necessary text books for school. (Mainly Rhetoric, English and History. Stupid AP classes....)
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I am re-reading the Left Behind Series. :) Great series.
AMEN BRO!!! I LOVE that series! I didn't find this out 'till recently that they made more Left Behind books!!!
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Peace child
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I am re-reading the Left Behind Series. :) Great series.
AMEN BRO!!! I LOVE that series! I didn't find this out 'till recently that they made more Left Behind books!!!
Yep the preclude ones are not as good but fill in some of the blanks but the Kingdom Come is really good:)
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I just started reading Psalms ;D
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I just finished "The Case for Christ" and now I will be reading, "NEA: Trojan Horse in American Education." I am also reading out of "The Book of Virtues" on a daily basis.
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Now Anselm of Canterbury's Cur Deus Homo and Peter Abelard's Ethics.
Currently reading various Oscar Wilde writings. About to start The Picture of Dorian Grey. (I believe that's what it's called)
Yes! Awesome book, you'll enjoy it.
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Ah... Left Behind... Such an accurate description of end times...
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Haha, Colin.
I'm reading Psychological Nudity by Michael Savage
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Haha, Colin.
I'm reading Psychological Nudity by Michael Savage
this is why I'm not taking Psychology.
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I actually dropped the psychology major as my second major for classics and honors.
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I am also reading my Bible. All the N.T. and trying to memorize it lol.
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I am also reading my Bible. All the N.T. and trying to memorize it lol.
That sounds like fun! Good Luck!!! ;D
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I started at the beginning of the Bible last month and I'm at Exodus chapter 7. Read a couple chapters a day.
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I started at the beginning of the Bible last month and I'm at Exodus chapter 7. Read a couple chapters a day.
Careful once you get to Leviticus. A lot of people, including myself, have stopped reading the Bible for a period of time when they hit that book. If you seem to struggle through Lev., try skipping it for now.
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I'd skip I and II Chronicles. Reading the names of every red brigade hero gets to be a bore.
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I think it's a good idea to focus on just one book at a time or to focus on a series of books by a particular author. Contrasting the ideas of the writers is also elucidating.
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Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica.
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Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica.
Dude... I envy your commitment.
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Well, it's not just a fun project on the side; it's for my gen-ed program at school. Hence, I have to read it. :P
Also, we're not reading the entire opus. Just about 500 pages worth.
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Brisingr One of the better books if read
lol
i read it in 4 days and returned it caues i hated it so much......
lol
no offense
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Teeth of the Tiger, Tom Clancy and i just finished The Testament by John Grisham.
Phooey on all who say grisham is boring.
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Reading Silas Marner for a book report.
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Teeth of the Tiger, Tom Clancy and i just finished The Testament by John Grisham.
Phooey on all who say grisham is boring.
I have Grisham's The Testament, but I've never read it. Is it good?
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I have Grisham's The Testament, but I've never read it. Is it good?
I read it with my wife and we were both a bit disappointed. It takes a REALLY long time at the beginning dealing with a lot of really immoral and unlikable characters, then shifts to an adventure in another country, and ended with a whimper.
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I liked it and although it can be drawn out it does have some good christian themes to it. One Grisham novel that I really enjoyed was The Firm.
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any here besides me enjoy the irony of this thread being called "quick"
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I love how this "quick poll" is eighteen pages. :D
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AND how it started LAST year ;D :laugh: :P LOL!
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That's because people keep necroposting it.
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That's because people keep necroposting it.
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Now that I think about it, I think I may have necroposted it once...
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Muhammad, The Qur'an.
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just finished prisoner of azkaban yesterday
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just finished prisoner of azkaban yesterday
sinner. :D
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Had to read Minority Report (inspired film of same name) and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (inspired a Harrison SciFi), both by Philip K. dork, for a Film course. Both are excellent reads if you like SciFi.
Unfortunately, I again put down Out of the Silent Planet. Should I try skipping a few chapters to get to the stuff I would recognize from the other books?
Looks like it's back to film theory textbooks for a few weeks. I've got some Father Brown books (G. K. Chesterton) to read as I have the time, but not a whole lot else on the list at the moment. Might try the Bourne series (the movies are spectacular) once things slow down around midterms.
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Well, now that the zombie thread has returned, I'm reading Dante's Divine Comedy. Just finished Inferno.
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Yes! Blade Runner is an amazing film.
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I'm about to read Plato's Meno, as in, by tomorrow.
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For "Out of the Silent Planet" I did have to skip a few chapters. The beginning is kinda dry but it does get better in the middle:)
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Ok, I'll have to try that next time I give it a go.
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The Search for God and Guinness: A Biography of the Beer that Changed the World
by Stephen Mansfield.
They were giving away copies for free at the pub on the 250th anniversary of Guinness. The guy who writes it is associated with Daniel and my little brother's school and a father to one of the girls at my school. It's a Christian book (obviously) about the whole ministry aspect of Guinness.
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/5972711252.html (http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/5972711252.html)
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Ah, so that's where Drew got it. I read a bit of it last weekend and it's pretty r0x0r.
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The Federalist Papers
By, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison.
This collection of 85 letters is an amazing masterpiece of political philosophy. I find myself nodding frequently because a lot of what these Founders said can be cross-applied to modern America! It is really sad to see where this Country has come since its founding!
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Death of a Guru for World Religions.
also, I picked up Green yesterday!
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1st kings its pretty awesome
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1st kings its pretty awesome
STOP. NECROPOSTING.
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Seriously Warrior, its getting really old.
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long live colin.
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long live colin.
you aren't Colin.
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warrior, don't take it too personally but, cut it out and grow up for pete's sake! your acting like your 7 years old
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he's 1899 years old. according to his profile.
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it's physically impossible to live that old, he's really like 13 or 14
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why is "necroposting" such an irritant to people? I don't follow. Seems like it the worst thing you can do and I don't understand why
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why is "necroposting" such an irritant to people? I don't follow. Seems like it the worst thing you can do and I don't understand why
because dead things should stay dead. 99% of the time.
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I agree. I don't see why.
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why is "necroposting" such an irritant to people? I don't follow. Seems like it the worst thing you can do and I don't understand why
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why is "necroposting" such an irritant to people? I don't follow. Seems like it the worst thing you can do and I don't understand why
because dead things should stay dead. 99% of the time.
but Christianity is based on resurrection... so....
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why is "necroposting" such an irritant to people? I don't follow. Seems like it the worst thing you can do and I don't understand why
because dead things should stay dead. 99% of the time.
but Christianity is based on resurrection... so....
hence the 1%.
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Necroposting is not always bad. If you have a relevant, insightful post on a topic that had been addressed at some point in the past, it's better to add it to the old thread than to start a new one. People who make threads about music would do well to note this exception.
However, if you do necropost, it had better be worth it. Nobody wants a dead thread on the front page because someone with no life is reading backfiles and decided to +1 something someone said in 2008.
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If you have a relevant, insightful post on a topic that had been addressed at some point in the past, it's better to add it to the old thread than to start a new one.
I agree with this. Although maybe I should wait a couple years and then come back to this thread and agree with it :)
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Notice how people keep necroposting this thread?
Yeah, I was reading Critique of Pure Reason at the start of Freshman year.
::)
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People still read? ;)
+1 No one reads anymore !
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People still read? ;)
+1 No one reads anymore !
Then how did you know what his post said?
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People still read? ;)
+1 No one reads anymore !
Then how did you know what his post said?
his post SAIS something!?! :o
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i'v seen the enadence coln you been sawmped in ture word your doctine is false
Thank you for that wonderful speech in genuine frontier gibberish. And now, the translation:
"I've seen the evidence Colin. You've been swamped in true word and your doctrine is false. "
epic quotes prof?
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epic quotes prof?
Nah, I like to pick quotes that are either very funny or thought-provoking. That was just a good example of someone posting who needs to take a bit more time thinking about what they are typing and use a spell checker. There are hundreds of posts like that on the forum.
Actually I thought that my post above (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=13865.msg316370#msg316370) was pretty witty. However, I don't feel right quoting myself :)
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It is funny read metalspalm's reponse it is VERY funny.
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I am reading A Kind of Secret Weapon by Elliot Arnold.
It is a good WWII book.
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I'm reading Interview with the Vampire and realizing Smeyers just copied this book and made it into teenie bopper girl porn.
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I'm reading Interview with the Vampire and realizing Smeyers just copied this book and made it into teenie bopper girl porn.
o_O :scratch:
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I'm reading Interview with the Vampire and realizing Smeyers just copied this book and made it into teenie bopper girl porn.
o_O :scratch:
twilight...................................................................................... we need a barfing smiley
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I'm reading Interview with the Vampire and realizing Smeyers just copied this book and made it into teenie bopper girl porn.
o_O :scratch:
twilight...................................................................................... we need a barfing smiley
+1 :2cents:
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on the tab not copied from a website :P and twilight is a scene/emo thing I hate
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:rollin: lamb has won the thread!!!
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:rollin: lamb has won the thread!!!
no Colin won it by creating this awesome thread
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:rollin: lamb has won the thread!!!
+1
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:rollin: lamb has won the thread!!!
+1
DONT MISQUOTE ME.
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Why not. ??? ??? ???
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Why not. ??? ??? ???
why not? WHY NOT!?!?!? it MAKES PPL ANGRY
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Calm down man, calm down. Quit screaming. And shut up.
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Calm down man, calm down. Quit screaming. And shut up.
why?
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Some people don't like necroe posting or yelling. ::) Also you didn't add anything worthwhile to the topic.
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Some people don't like necroe posting or yelling. ::) Also you didn't add anything worthwhile to the topic.
yes i did : i revived the topic that now has a awesome barfing smiley
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epic quotes prof?
Nah, I like to pick quotes that are either very funny or thought-provoking. That was just a good example of someone posting who needs to take a bit more time thinking about what they are typing and use a spell checker. There are hundreds of posts like that on the forum.
Actually I thought that my post above (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=13865.msg316370#msg316370) was pretty witty. However, I don't feel right quoting myself :)
Why not? The Academy gives themselves awards all the time...
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Calm down man, calm down. Quit screaming. And shut up.
warrior: cut it out and start acting like a man, or else you'll get the banhammer just like colin
alpal:wherever Warrior posts, don't respond or else you'll end up like me when i respond to colin's posts, by getting myself intro trouble and if you respond to warrior you might get yourself into trouble just as i have with colin, just a fair warning
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Everyone in between my last post and this one (other than Raven and the good Professor) had better stop spamming and acting like children.
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Calm down man, calm down. Quit screaming. And shut up.
warrior: cut it out and start acting like a man, or else you'll get the banhammer just like colin
alpal:wherever Warrior posts, don't respond or else you'll end up like me when i respond to colin's posts, by getting myself intro trouble and if you respond to warrior you might get yourself into trouble just as i have with colin, just a fair warning
Thanks for the advice. :laugh:
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Calm down man, calm down. Quit screaming. And shut up.
warrior: cut it out and start acting like a man, or else you'll get the banhammer just like colin
alpal:wherever Warrior posts, don't respond or else you'll end up like me when i respond to colin's posts, by getting myself intro trouble and if you respond to warrior you might get yourself into trouble just as i have with colin, just a fair warning
i wasn't spamming i was responding to warrior.
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Responding to spam when you are sometimes guilty of spamming is more spam.
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no no no RED
i wasn't refering to you
as a matter of fact i would have said i agreed but forgot the smily for it
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You guys realize you are spamming talking about spam.
Oh wait that means this post is a spam to :o :laugh:
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Responding to spam when you are sometimes guilty of spamming is more spam.
I'v gotten better. Read my old posts.
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Responding to spam when you are sometimes guilty of spamming is more spam.
I'v gotten better. Read my old posts.
I feel this song necessary at this time:
Monty Python - Spam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE#)
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Seriously Warrior, You need to knock it off, you spam way to much.
as you necro a month gone post. not extreme, but...
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X'D
that video was so hilarious
there's so much spam in it that the whole video is spam
and i'm getting hungry for spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam bacon spam spam scrambbled eggs spam spam spam spam sausgae biscuits flapjacks spam spam spam spam spam with a cup of coffee
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it's in our spam museum.
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soo.... I'm reading N.T. Wright's Justification at the moment.
:P
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Catch-22
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I'm reading this thread.
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I'm reading this thread.
I'm pretty sure that joke has been used twice in this thread already. ;)
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I'm I'm reading Fathers and Sons currently, but I should be reading something else by tomorrow.
I felt like we needed a few more posts that actually relate to the original topic. ;)
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I am reading the Instructions on Dragon Raid so know how to play the game!
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I'm reading this thread.
I'm pretty sure that joke has been used twice in this thread already. ;)
I kinda figures when I saw that we had 33 pages of posts on this. Oh well. Hahah
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I'm reading spam.
fixed.
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I'm reading spam.
spam is tasty
ditto. ;D
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I'm reading spam.
spam is tasty
You probably can't even read at all idiot!
Calm down, calm down.
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I'm reading spam.
spam is tasty
You probably can't even read at all idiot!
Yo son! You bes' be trollin or else da pr0 Rawrlolsauce! will ownzorzorz u, newbiet.
Well said.
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I'm reading spam.
spam is tasty
You probably can't even read at all idiot!
Yo son! You bes' be trollin or else da pr0 Rawrlolsauce! will ownzorzorz u, newbiet.
I HERD U LIK MUDKIPS
Charmander is the ideal choice...
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I'm reading spam.
spam is tasty
You probably can't even read at all idiot!
Yo son! You bes' be trollin or else da pr0 Rawrlolsauce! will ownzorzorz u, newbiet.
I HERD U LIK MUDKIPS
Caterpie is the ideal choice...
What?
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I'm reading spam.
spam is tasty
You probably can't even read at all idiot!
Yo son! You bes' be trollin or else da pr0 Rawrlolsauce! will ownzorzorz u, newbiet.
I HERD U LIK MUDKIPS
Caterpie is the ideal choice...
What?
LONG LIVE COLIN!!!!
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I'm reading spam.
spam is tasty
You probably can't even read at all idiot!
Yo son! You bes' be trollin or else da pr0 Rawrlolsauce! will ownzorzorz u, newbiet.
I HERD U LIK MUDKIPS
Caterpie is the ideal choice...
What?
Lolzwut?
What the?
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I'm reading spam.
spam is tasty
You probably can't even read at all idiot!
Yo son! You bes' be trollin or else da pr0 Rawrlolsauce! will ownzorzorz u, newbiet.
I HERD U LIK MUDKIPS
Caterpie is the ideal choice...
What?
Lolzwut?
0mgeez ifz da glowinz ausomenessnessnessnessnessneesnesnesnes......ness...z
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I'm reading spam.
spam is tasty
You probably can't even read at all idiot!
Yo son! You bes' be trollin or else da pr0 Rawrlolsauce! will ownzorzorz u, newbiet.
I HERD U LIK MUDKIPS
Caterpie is the ideal choice...
What?
Lolzwut? guys, we shouldn't do this. we got in trouble when we did it in Broken Cisterns...
0mgeez ifz da glowinz ausomenessnessnessnessnessneesnesnesnes......ness...z
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I'm reading spam.
spam is tasty
You probably can't even read at all idiot!
Yo son! You bes' be trollin or else da pr0 Rawrlolsauce! will ownzorzorz u, newbiet.
I HERD U LIK MUDKIPS
Caterpie is the ideal choice...
What?
Lolzwut? guys, we shouldn't do this. we got in trouble when we did it in Broken Cisterns...
Joker!
last one promise!
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Truth be told, no one on this board that wasn't a troll before or existed back with the old trolls on the EZboards has no idea what true spam, trolling and, other post based art forms were. :( You speak of respecting the art, but you are desecrating it.
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Truth be told, no one on this board that knows the cake is a lie before or existed back with the old trolls on the EZboards has no idea what true Evil cake is, captain kirk,carbon based life forms were. You speak of respecting the carbon units, but you are secrating Veger.
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I don't deny that mega quotes have become super old. the art of trolling requires variety and originality. like OB's EZBoard saga.
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*looks at title under my picture* Jeez guys I'm trying my best I wish I'd have been here for the EZboards to learn from the masters but alas 'tis not so
:-*
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if u want a real spam museum check out all 4 crashed Joybell Colin/warrior vs raven threads
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http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=16936.0 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=16936.0)
this is probably my favorite, second being...
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=17374.60 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=17374.60)
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Yeah,..CHILDREN!!! Act your age!! You immature little boys! This is MY thread,..NO spamming. Now,..tht's all I have to say,..Oh and wait...one more thing children....Doesn't the Bible mention something about being childish,..ahhh yeah..."Even a CHILD*Coughs Caleb&Warrior* is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right." Proverbs 20:11 KJV IN BEFORE THE LOCK CHILDREN!!!!
this post made me laugh.
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Yeah,..CHILDREN!!! Act your age!! You immature little boys! This is MY thread,..NO spamming. Now,..tht's all I have to say,..Oh and wait...one more thing children....Doesn't the Bible mention something about being childish,..ahhh yeah..."Even a CHILD*Coughs Caleb&Warrior* is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right." Proverbs 20:11 KJV IN BEFORE THE LOCK CHILDREN!!!!
this post made me laugh.
Joy was so Wyn and i think raven was using her so he didn't Fail-to-Death
on a related note...
THIS IS 99
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after going back and looking at the fun times of old.......................colin shows a picture and everything does this mean he isn't banned anymore or what?
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after going back and looking at the fun times of old.......................colin shows a picture and everything does this mean he isn't banned anymore or what?
no, he is. deleted accounts are the one's that don't show anything.
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HAHAHA oh noes Caleb you have the best troll in the Joybell thread. And nobody even noticed it because Colin was trolling it up!
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Yes, 'tis a sad day when a show off takes the attention from the real pro
*turns eyes humbly down* a sad, sad day....
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Yes, 'tis a sad day when a show off takes the attention from the real pro
*turns eyes humbly down* a sad, sad day....
Colin is past
LONG LIVE CALEB
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*Sigh* Wanna-be troll groupies.
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psh, you're jealous I have groupies and you don't.....and I prefer the name paparazzi (sp?) to groupies
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groupie - an enthusiastic young fan (especially a young woman who follows rock groups around)
international press corps who compete for stories, usually of a sensational nature
Different words, different meanings. Also, why would I be jealous?
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because back in your troll reign of the ezboards you didn't have groupies and yet I do(I hope you know this is all in fun ;-) )
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(Believe me, If I didn't believe you were kidding, I wouldn't of responded.)
I never had groupies. I hate haties, people who hates my trolls so much they followed me just to fight me.
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hahahahahahahaha haties, that is amazing.......I like that name...
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I believe it's spelled hatees.
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I believe it's spelled hatees.
That's Hades. ;)
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Clear!
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phew this thread is alive again
Challenge : make this thread bigger than the ROOT thread...
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How many pages is the ROOT thread.
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How many pages is the ROOT thread.
100
we only have 2500ish posts to go!
EDIT: 200...
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200, akshully.
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199 to be precise ;D
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so...I'm gonna start The Bride Collector today.
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...Into whatever the poem was about!
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Raise this Thread to Life!
I am Reading Star Wars : Fate of the Jedi : Allies
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Uncle Tom's Cabin.
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Wow, I was a new member three posts ago.
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Currently I'm reading The World is Flat by Thomas Friedman after I procrastinated for 3 months. Its actually really good.
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A Wrinkle in Time, the Bible, and i haven't touched my Lord of the Rings book for a while so i guess i have been reading it.
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The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime , Cat's cradle, Gifts, Huck Finn
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Precalculus with Limits: A Graphing Approach
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NYTO
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IM Reading Mental Floss : History Of The World
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The Xenocide Mission.
Sci-fi horror. Pretty good.
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Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, for a class. Not sure what I was thinking. :P
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Given that you're reading it for a class, not much.
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The Xenocide Mission.
Sci-fi horror. Pretty good.
and you're reading a Tale of Two Cities
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Ran across some Tom Swift novels at the University library. Very nice to read something not written by Harvard professors for a change.
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The Xenocide Mission.
Sci-fi horror. Pretty good.
and you're reading a Tale of Two Cities
I wouldn't define Tale of Two Cities as "reading".
I was probably confusing Tale of Two Cities.
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:amen:
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Delayed post for the win. :P I am reading Uncle Tom's Cabin to close up my year. :)
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So am I! I'm about a third of the way through it. Also, wow long time no post Spy. ;D
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I know! I am still alive! I missed you guys! ;) I see a lot of new folks around and that makes me happy. I am trying to get a playgroup started because I now live in the East. That is partly why I have been offline so much. I have just been so busy with personal jazz, but I am still around. It would be cool if we could get trips to some tournaments, so you eastern players had better keep in touch. :)
As for the book, I am going to try and read most of UTC by tommorow... starting now-ish. :P
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I know! I am still alive! I missed you guys! ;) I see a lot of new folks around and that makes me happy. I am trying to get a playgroup started because I now live in the East. That is partly why I have been offline so much. I have just been so busy with personal jazz, but I am still around. It would be cool if we could get trips to some tournaments, so you eastern players had better keep in touch. :)
As for the book, I am going to try and read most of UTC by tommorow... starting now-ish. :P
Northeast? Perhaps, NY?
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can we get back on topic please?
this has gone for too long as it is.
and im soon to be reading harry potter and the sorcerer's stone again for the 3rd time in a row as i read through the entire series again for the 2nd time
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can we get back on topic please?
this has gone for too long as it is.
and im soon to be reading harry potter and the sorcerer's stone again for the 3rd time in a row as i read through the entire series again for the 2nd time
Harry Potter Is Solely Based on Magic. BANNED.
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can we get back on topic please?
this has gone for too long as it is.
and im soon to be reading harry potter and the sorcerer's stone again for the 3rd time in a row as i read through the entire series again for the 2nd time
Harry Potter Is Solely Based on Magic. BANNED.
10 page argument post. BANNED.
I'm reading Witch of Blackbird Pond.
(No, it isn't another "magic" book. It is about the Salem Witch Trials.)
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I work for Disney and I believe in Pixie Dust, so I guess I am banned too. ;)
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can we get back on topic please?
this has gone for too long as it is.
and im soon to be reading harry potter and the sorcerer's stone again for the 3rd time in a row as i read through the entire series again for the 2nd time
Harry Potter Is Solely Based on Magic. BANNED.
Epic Fail
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I'm reading Return of the king by J.R.R Tolkien.
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I am reading King Arthur and Voyage of the Dawn Treader. (I'm incredibly excited about the film, so , from now on, I'm going to read the book before the next Narnia movie comes out. :laugh:
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I am reading King Arthur and Voyage of the Dawn Treader. (I'm incredibly excited about the film, so , from now on, I'm going to read the book before the next Narnia movie comes out. :laugh:
I hope the changes they are making doesn't ruin the best Narnia book. They better do a great job on the dark island.
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Souls in the Great Machine by Sean McMullen. The textbook definition of epic.
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I'm rereading The Silmarillion!!!!
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I'm reading The Prince by Machiavelli. Pure epic.
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Night Wispers by Erin Hunter
It is a series about wild cats living near a lake. I like to compare their "Star Clan" with my view of God.
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John by Tim Lehaye and Jerry B. Jenkins
Story is about the beloved disciple.
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Finally started reading Green (was planning on waiting until I read the last two books in the lost book series but never got around to buying them).
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Finally started reading Green (was planning on waiting until I read the last two books in the lost book series but never got around to buying them).
GREAT book.
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Night Wispers by Erin Hunter
that is an awesome series
I'm reading High Fidelity (I think this will be the 8th time through)
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I'm waiting for the forth eragon series book.
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I'm reading some random stuff by Immanuel Kant. Not sure I'm going to finish it, he used interesting vocabulary and then it was translated so it is very hard to understand. From what I've taken though, he has some crazy opinions I'm not going to listen to.
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I'm reading White Fang by Jack London.
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I'm reading some random stuff by Immanuel Kant. Not sure I'm going to finish it, he used interesting vocabulary and then it was translated so it is very hard to understand. From what I've taken though, he has some crazy opinions I'm not going to listen to.
Kant is a good read. Brilliant guy.
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I'm not saying he isn't brilliant, but I just don't like his ideas* :p. Mills for life!
*Although one could argue that you're just over simplfying, and creating a more specific trigger would not be an exception.
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About to start reading Count of Monte Cristo unabridged. I've wanted to read this book for a while. I am also reading Fagle's translation of The Odyssey for a class.
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I am reading Love and Respect! A great read for couples, married, tough relationships, even singles. It can be found in any book store or christian book store.
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I am reading Love and Respect! A great read for couples, married, tough relationships, even singles. It can be found in any book store or christian book store.
I am reading Alex Rider: Crocidile Tears
- It is book #8 in the series!
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Still......
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Jonathon Strange & Mr. Norrell
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I just got done reading Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus by Ludwig Wittgenstein (story about him, by the way: look up his relationship to Hitler and how his family reacted in the Holocaust) and had it explained to me a hundred times. Now I'm reading Outliers by Malcom Gladwell. It's pretty bad. Would not recommend.
I'm necroposting because I need to update my summer reading list.
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@Hi123 I have read/own the whole Alex Rider series and it is definately my favorite series ever...
Right now i am reading Louis Lamour western books...he has TONS of books and it is my dads favorite author so i have access all of them...my favorites are "The Sackett Series" its a total of 19 books about a Family whose last name is sackett, which starts off in europe and ends in settling America...so its generation, after generation of the same family!
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stuck between eragon by paolini and house by ted dekker and frank peretti
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House is so-so, but still better than LotR Jr.
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I'm currently reading The First Mountain Man: Blood On the Divide.
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Psalms
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I'm reading The Silmarillion right now. I think I'll actually finish it this time, though I've renewed it from the Library twice already.
Next on my list is Mortal by Ted Dekker.
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A Book Called "The Enchantress", which is the last of an awesome series that is a giant myth/legend Conglomerate.
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The Fellowship of the Ring.
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Great Expectations. Not my favorite Dickens novel, but ok.
I just finished The Count of Monte Cristo. It was way better than the movie.
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I'm reading The Silmarillion right now. I think I'll actually finish it this time, though I've renewed it from the Library twice already.
Next on my list is Mortal by Ted Dekker.
+1
I just finished reading a part of a series of books called the Mysterious Benedict Society by Trenton Lee Stewart.
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Great Expectations. Not my favorite Dickens novel, but ok.
Why anybody would read that voluntarily is beyond me...
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Great Expectations. Not my favorite Dickens novel, but ok.
Why anybody would read that voluntarily is beyond me...
I've been downloading free books on my phone recently...I haven't been able to find too many other good ones that I haven't read yet.
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Holmes, all of the holmes books.
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Holmes, all of the holmes books.
Read most of those, except 1 or 2.
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The Two Towers by that one weird guy.
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The Two Towers by that one weird guy.
What weird guy? ::) ::) ::)
I'm also reading some books by David Eddings. The guy who wrote the Eragon books got a LOT of his inspiration from this guy. I'm in a summer reading program, and the grand prize is a Kindle! I plan to win.
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The Two Towers by that one weird guy.
What weird guy? ::) ::) ::)
I'm also reading some books by David Eddings. The guy who wrote the Eragon books got a LOT of his inspiration from this guy. I'm in a summer reading program, and the grand prize is a Kindle! I plan to win.
I'm not sure I'd call anything Christopher Paolini wrote inspired...
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I am currently reading Fateful Lightning, a new Civil War history by Allen C. Guelzo of Gettysburg College (and a former seminary professor of mine). I will follow that up with While Mortals Sleep by Kurt Vonnegut, a posthumously-published set of early short stories. I am starting to really enjoy my Nook for reading (although it's not so great for study).
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The Two Towers by that one weird guy.
What weird guy? ::) ::) ::)
I'm also reading some books by David Eddings. The guy who wrote the Eragon books got a LOT of his inspiration from this guy. I'm in a summer reading program, and the grand prize is a Kindle! I plan to win.
I'm not sure I'd call anything Christopher Paolini wrote inspired...
True... It's changing from inspiration to copying as time goes on... There are 21 books by this guy... That should see me through the summer... ::)
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A bit less than a year ago, with the help of my philosophy professor, I read Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus.
A few weeks ago I finished Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations.
I'm rereading his Tractatus now. I'm actually really really really enjoying reading it from a therapeutic point of view. And one of the philosophy grad students I spoke to here seemed to hint that he thought it was written ad absurdum, which is something I never would've thought of by myself.
If anyone wants to talk about it, feel free. Here's (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/5740/5740-pdf.pdf) a link if anyone is interested. Although Wittgenstein was pretty critical of Russell's intro. My favorite propositions/comments/statements are 1.1, 2.225 (YAY EPISTEMOLOGY), 6.544, and 7 8).
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I am currently reading Rising Again by Michelle Reichartz, book two of the Phoenix Rising series. The author is actually a friend of mine and writing is one of her passions. She's self-published 2 books now, with the third on its way.
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Reading "Love Does" by Bob Goff. The stories he tells are absolutely crazy.
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Just started The Signal and the Noise by Nate Silver. Man is a genius
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"Company Aytch" by Sam R. Watkins and "The Hobbit."
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I'm reading Hannah Arendt, The Human Condition, and really enjoying it.
A bit less than a year ago, with the help of my philosophy professor, I read Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus.
A few weeks ago I finished Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations.
I'm rereading his Tractatus now. I'm actually really really really enjoying reading it from a therapeutic point of view. And one of the philosophy grad students I spoke to here seemed to hint that he thought it was written ad absurdum, which is something I never would've thought of by myself.
If anyone wants to talk about it, feel free. Here's (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/5740/5740-pdf.pdf) a link if anyone is interested. Although Wittgenstein was pretty critical of Russell's intro. My favorite propositions/comments/statements are 1.1, 2.225 (YAY EPISTEMOLOGY), 6.544, and 7 8).
Excellent book(s). I read them my junior year (in the best class I ever took in University), wrote a few papers on him senior year, and now my best friend is taking the same course so I'm experiencing the joy of revisiting Wittgenstein.
Did you have fun with the duck/rabbit?
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Also, have you read Ray Monk's bio of Wittgenstein, The Duty of Genius? I highly recommend it to EVERYONE.
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His rabbit was in Philosophical Investigations, not the Tractatus. I really really prefer the Tractatus simply because Philosophical Investigations was too straight forward. I'm glad I read it, but I don't plan to ever read it again. The Tractatus is a book I could see myself reading many times over. In fact, I know I have to read it at least four times: once with the "Wittgenstein is a genius" mindset, once with the "Wittgenstein is an idiot" mindset, once with the "Wittgenstein is a therapist" mindset, and once with the "this is reductio ad absurdum" mindset. And the best example in Philosophical Investigations was clearly the beetle 8).
I like early Wittgenstein more than later Wittgenstein, by a pretty wide margin. I've noticed myself using the terms "nonsense" and "senseless" a lot more as a result. I guess I just have two major issues with it: I know the Tractatus is, ultimately, a book on ethics, but epistemology is my favorite subject in philosophy, and I don't understand where comment 2.225 came from (EDIT: and 2.223, and whatever other relevant ones there are). I know Hume believed in a posteriori knowledge exclusively also, but his philosophies seem to make sense to me more than Wittgenstein.
The difficult issue I'm having is related to Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. I know that's probably why he abandoned his Tractatus (assuming it wasn't written reductio ad absurdum like I mentioned earlier), but I've been reading a lot of other philosophers defending his position on Godel's Theorem. Anyway, why isn't Godel's Theorem avoidable? Doesn't redefining mathematics to have a finite amount of numbers fix that? Arbitrarily claim that Graham's Number is the largest number. Trying to add a number to that or going to more decimal places just can't be done - it's undefined. You'd be able to test any statement. You'd have to redefine irrational numbers as numbers that cannot exist, but can be closely approximated, but that's about the only issue I can think of.
I'm a Freshman engineering student, but considering I finished all my generals in highschool, I have tons of room in my schedule for whatever classes I want. I'm going to load up on philosophy - it'll be awesome. I almost took a graduate level course in symbolic logic this semester, but my counselor talked me out of it. I plan to take either that course or a 3xxx level course on metaphysics (hah.... taking metaphysics when Wittgenstein is my favorite philosopher... awesome....) next semester 8).
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I don't know, man. I've spend days of my life out all night talking over the duck/rabbit with philosophy majors and barely remember the beetle.
Logical positivism was shut down by one sentence: "What verifies the principle of varifiability?"
I read for a continuity between so called "early" and "later."
Get a good foundation in the history of philosophy, alongside literature, science, general history, and art.
Wittgenstein makes sense because he never really read any philosophy besides bits of Schopenhauer when he wrote the Tractatus. He's not drawing off the tradition. He probably never read David Hume, at least not until later in his life.
I also think Hume's kind of silly and should have done a better job reading Aristotle. Wittgenstein has a good critique of skepticism in On Certainty, where he's dealing with Moore's "here's one hand, here's another" proof of the external world.
You thought the PI was "too straight-forward?" I think you might have read the wrong PI.
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There'd still be axioms, but wouldn't they be listable? Wasn't that the point of Hilbert's Program? The same thing would apply to philosophy. I suppose those axioms would need to be a priori, which is why I was wondering about where 2.223 came from.
Straight forward is wording it poorly, considering you can't get more straight forward than the Tractatus. I guess.... refreshing... is a better term. PI didn't really alter my mindset like the Tractatus has.
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I am the Cheese.
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Dragon Fire by Donita K Paul
KingLeo 8)
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Naked Edge by David Morrell
(I only posted to see if the title would get edited. ::) )
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Left Behind Series
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Les Misérables. The full, unabridged, 1500 page version.
Re-reading it for the movie, ya know? ;)
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My personal favorite that i have read is either It by Steven King, and right behind it is the alex rider series by anthony horrowitz, followed closely behind by the Eragon series and the Kingdom Keepers series.
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Did you know you just necroposted, or were you trying to start the discussion again?
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"Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis. Amazing book!
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UMMMM....
Left behind series
Harry Potter series
a few light novels a friend gave me(the one I would sugest is Chrome Shelled Regos, can find to download for MS word)
Percy Jackson series
The chronicles of Narnia
Les Miserables
Dracula
Gulliver's Travels
The Illustrated Man(Ray Bradbury short story collection)
Golden apples of the sun(Ray Bradbury short story collection)
Ummmm... There is more....but I cant remember right now.