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I peirced my own lip no painkillers or ice just a needle and a ball
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That is VERY dangerous. You should be very careful to keep it clean and prevent infection, and you're lucky you didn't hurt yourself.
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That is VERY dangerous. You should be very careful to keep it clean and prevent infection, and you're lucky you didn't hurt yourself.
I got away with it when I was fifteen.
Saline solution, not hydrogen peroxide.
Also, it's a very good thing you didn't use painkillers or ice. That messes it up, I forget how though. You can put in a clear piece if you want to get away with it at school/with parents until it heals. I recommend a 14G.
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I peirced my own lip no painkillers or ice just a needle and a ball
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Why??
That is VERY dangerous. You should be very careful to keep it clean and prevent infection, and you're lucky you didn't hurt yourself.
Also, it's a very good thing you didn't use painkillers or ice. That messes it up, I forget how though. You can put in a clear piece if you want to get away with it at school/with parents until it heals. I recommend a 14G.
It looks kind of swollen in the second picture.
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coulda hit a vein or a nerve. Jeeze!
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I peirced my own lip no painkillers or ice just a needle and a ball
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Why??
That is VERY dangerous. You should be very careful to keep it clean and prevent infection, and you're lucky you didn't hurt yourself.
Also, it's a very good thing you didn't use painkillers or ice. That messes it up, I forget how though. You can put in a clear piece if you want to get away with it at school/with parents until it heals. I recommend a 14G.
It looks kind of swollen in the second picture.
I wanted to do something crazy and of course it does you go peirce your lip and see howyour nerves react (I hit a vein Bythe way...it wasn't that bad)
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I peirced my own lip no painkillers or ice just a needle and a ball
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Why??
That is VERY dangerous. You should be very careful to keep it clean and prevent infection, and you're lucky you didn't hurt yourself.
Also, it's a very good thing you didn't use painkillers or ice. That messes it up, I forget how though. You can put in a clear piece if you want to get away with it at school/with parents until it heals. I recommend a 14G.
It looks kind of swollen in the second picture.
I wanted to do something crazy and of course it does you go peirce your lip and see howyour nerves react (I hit a vein Bythe way...it wasn't that bad)
I'd rather not. ;)
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I don't think you hit a vein or a nerve. You'd be in the hospital.
Just be careful with the whole slippery slope that comes from the whole stoicism thing. I had a friend who ended up playing Russian roulette after an escalating series of dares.
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As far as a scientific response, I echo the advice of others that you should watch out for infection and use saline solution to keep it clean.
As far as a moral response, I'd check out this link: http://www.biblestudy.org/question/tattoos-and-body-piercing.html (http://www.biblestudy.org/question/tattoos-and-body-piercing.html)
As far as a third response, I'd point out that doing something crazy because it's the right thing to do is admirable. Doing something crazy simply because it's crazy is immature. And a pattern of doing that will lead to pain for yourself and the people who care about you.
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As far as a moral response, I'd check out this link: http://www.biblestudy.org/question/tattoos-and-body-piercing.html (http://www.biblestudy.org/question/tattoos-and-body-piercing.html)
I take personal offense to that.
Genesis 24:47 "I asked her, 'Whose daughter are you?'
"She said, 'The daughter of Bethuel son of Nahor, whom Milcah bore to him.'
"Then I put the ring in her nose and the bracelets on her arms, 48 and I bowed down and worshiped the LORD. I praised the LORD, the God of my master Abraham, who had led me on the right road to get the granddaughter of my master's brother for his son.
Also, there is a big difference between the meaning of tattoos in Hebrew culture and in modern American culture. The verse in Leviticus is non-applicable to the present. The site doesn't even seem to make an argument either. It also says "these things were done to worship non-existent gods" which fails to take into account a pre-exhilic Hebrew understanding of YHVH.
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idk if he's brave or just plain stupid for that
the bible says something against peircing your body
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idk if he's brave or just plain stupid for that
the bible says something against peircing your body
No it doesn't. Try actually reading it for yourself sometime.
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The bible says not to Pierce/Mutilate/Mar/burn/tattoo your body in mourning. That's all.
I still stand by what I said before though. If you'r gonna have it make sure to take care of the ring, the lip, and your teeth and gums as well. Having a ring like that can ruin your teeth if you're not careful.
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The bible says not to Pierce/Mutilate/Mar/burn/tattoo your body in mourning. That's all.
and what it doesnt mention is that these were accepted cannanite religious practices. In many ways these were forms of promitive ancestor worship connected to various cananite cults.
Since most of the people who get "John R.I.P." tattoed in honor of someone who died are not Worshiping, only remmebering them, I dont even have a problem with that.
I do have a problem with people gettign stupid cartoon characters tatooed to their shoulder or legs or feet or any other visible area because gettign cartoons tatooed on you is stupid
seriously, you want to be the person who is 80 years old with a smurf tattoed to your shoulder? Really? you wanna be that person?
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I echo the sentiments of everyone else about the saline, etc. Infections on facial piercings hurt like CRAZY. I got my nose professionally done both times I got it pierced... the first time it got infected, but the second time (I got it re-pierced) it hasn't given me any problems since.
And to throw my hat in to the debate on whether or not piercings are okay, I believe it's the heart behind it. If you're just doing it to be cool, you may want to rethink it. My nose ring has deep spiritual meaning to me, and i know people who have gotten piercings/tattoos with a similar heart.
~Marti
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The only tattoo I would consider getting is...
1. A cross or something Christian. My brother has an awesome one of a half cross, half sword. It used to have a crown of thorns wrapped around the hilt, but the tattoo artist couldnt keep it when he got it recolored. Still, I love the design of it.
2. The logo of my favorite band, Dream Theater. I don't like, worship them or anything crazy, but they are definately my favorite band. As far as me not liking them in the future... they're put out 10 albums to date, and I love them all, chances of me not liking them are slim. ;) Also... the logo itself looks awesome:
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3. Some sort of saying that means a lot to me. At the moment I don't quite have any, but something like "Carpe Diem."
For me... no piercings... I don't see the appeal of putting metal through me unless I need to to fix a broken bone or something. Tattoos are at least more of an art form...
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The verse in Leviticus is non-applicable to the present.
OK, it doesn't surprise me that a person who doesn't believe the Bible is absolutely true, accurate, or applicable anyway, also finds this specific verse to not apply to his life. But most people on this forum do think the Bible is authoritative. So how about if you back up your statement based on what WE believe.
Show me someplace in the Bible where it says that Christians SHOULD get their bodies pierced, or even that it is OK for Christians to get their bodies pierced. We're not Old Testament slaves, and Caleb is not a bride (at least in a human sense). So show me somewhere in the Bible that demonstrates the we can throw the Leviticus passage away.
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Leviticus 19:28
Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.
Caleb, did you pierce your lip for the dead?
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Professionals will recommend that you use a hoop for your new piercing because it's much easier to keep the wound clean than with a stud.
I wanted to pierce my own lip when I was younger but I'm a big baby when it comes to needles. Now I just think it's dumb. I guess that means I'm getting old huh? ::) I do still understand the coolness and appeal when you're young. ;)
Even though I never pierced my lip, I had both ears and my tongue pierced. I only kept the tongue piercing for a few years but I still have both ears. I wasn't a follower of Jesus when I had these done (that's not to say that Christians should/shouldn't which is another conversation all together). I wouldn't choose to do it today if it wasn't already done, but since the ears are already pierced I've chosen to leave them so far.
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The verse in Leviticus is non-applicable to the present.
OK, it doesn't surprise me that a person who doesn't believe the Bible is absolutely true, accurate, or applicable anyway, also finds this specific verse to not apply to his life. But most people on this forum do think the Bible is authoritative. So how about if you back up your statement based on what WE believe.
Show me someplace in the Bible where it says that Christians SHOULD get their bodies pierced, or even that it is OK for Christians to get their bodies pierced. We're not Old Testament slaves, and Caleb is not a bride (at least in a human sense). So show me somewhere in the Bible that demonstrates the we can throw the Leviticus passage away.
The passage in Leviticus wasn't deontological law, it was a law for a reason. That reason is no longer existent.
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I have very high level of respect for Prof Underwood and his understanding of the Bible. I also agree 100% that the Bible is the authoritative Word of God which should guide our choices and beliefs. I don't claim to have a perfect understanding of scripture, but by the Holy Spirit, God's Grace and the insight of other well studied believers I do my best to understand the Bible and it's implications for our life.
That being said, I believe that the verse quoted from Leviticus is being taken out of context and used legalistically.
Are we also to believe that women should not braid their hair (1 Timothy 2:9) and Christians should never consume alcohol (Ephesians 5:18)?
Most importantly, is Caleb not able to be a follower of Christ and have a piercing?
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I believe that the verse quoted from Leviticus is being taken out of context and used legalistically.
This is not a verse that I am 100% sure on. It is possible that it's meaning is limited to doing these things for false religious practices. But it is also possible that it's meaning is more broad. And since I don't know of any place in scripture where this is clarified or negated...when in doubt, don't :) No one HAS to get a piercing or tattoo.
Are we also to believe that women should not braid their hair (1 Timothy 2:9) and Christians should never consume alcohol (Ephesians 5:18)?
Speaking of context... the verse in 1 Tim clearly starts by saying that women should dress modestly, and then includes the clarifying examples. In our society, braided hair is not immodest in any way, so it would not apply. Contrast this with tattoos and piercings which are still looked upon negatively to some extent in our society. And as for the Eph 5 passage, it says to not get "drunk" with wine. And I do think that Christians should not get drunk. One of the fruit of the Spirit is self-control, and one would lack that if they were drunk.
Most importantly, is Caleb not able to be a follower of Christ and have a piercing?
I am not judging Caleb's salvation here at all. He could surely be a follower of Christ and have a piercing. I am just pointing out some alternative views to his own for him to think about. If he is a follower of Christ, then he will test these ideas (like the Bereans), and will follow the convictions that the Holy Spirit gives him. He may or may not end up agreeing with me, but I hope that he will at least consider these things.
P.S. Ooooooh, Colin used the word "deontological". Suddenly, I'm completely convinced of his point. OK, maybe not :)
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What is modest differs from society to society. For example, a woman wearing pants in Africa is consider immodest because prostitutes wear pants. A California beach would be a completely different matter.
What is ethically permissible varies from society to society.
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And a pattern of doing that will lead to pain for yourself and the people who care about you.
Who now? ;)
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I am not judging Caleb's salvation here at all. He could surely be a follower of Christ and have a piercing.
This is the main point and the only one worth fighting for. I already knew your stance on this Prof, but I brought it up so that it's clear to others, especially the younger people on the boards. Piercings and tattoos are secondary issues that make for a good discussion. They can be an indication of a deeper issue of the heart, but of themselves have no bearing on our standing with God. For that we rely only on the complete sufficiency of Jesus Christ. :thumbup:
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lol celeb what will you think of next? :P I like the look of the piercing by the way. :-* And my :2cents: I'm pretty darn toot'n sure God didn't say don't get a piercing or tatoo in the Bible, and from what I can tell that scripture reference is taken sorta outa context. It seems to me that this sort of thing is in the grey, so it really all comes down to your relationship with Jesus. Somewhere in the bible it makes reference to this when it talks about don't make a fellow believer go against their convictions. (I would say those certain things some Christians have/do/say that other Christians wouldn't be caught dead doing are the grey areas that God doesn't say much about as sin or otherwise.) I wish I could remember that verse... ::) :-*
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Here are my thoughts on the subject. Tattoos are NEVER professional. Also, all facial piercings are not professional either. The only exception I see to this, is for females to have one piercing in each of their lower portion of their ear lobes. Since you can remove piercings later on in your life, getting them while you're young is not a big deal. If you get tattoos at a younger age however, you will be stuck with them. Then as you grow older having a professional image could become important.
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The scriptures quoted are not referring to casual piercing or tattooing, but to a pagan religious act. So those are clearly out the door. If you choose to follow those then you better make sure that you are not wearing any clothing that has more than one kind of fiber woven together (i.e. cotton and polyester) cause then you are sinning too. The real issue is this:
1) Although the Bible is silent on the issue of tattoos and body piercings as they stand in our culture, they are not silent on honoring your parents. If doing this would disobey your parents then you are in strong violation of where God wants you to be.
2) Has anyone ever been healthier after a body piercing or tattoo? The clear answer is no so in the arena of things being permissible, but not being beneficial, we have a clear loser.
3) Finally, the cost involved in having these procedures done (clearly in Caleb's case this is not an issue unless he incurs medical bills; see #2) is usually pretty substantial. Considering a large number of people in the world live in poverty and die due to starvation, as followers of Jesus we should have a huge problem blowing our money on such self ornamentation.
4) If you are clear on all three points, then tattoo and pierce away... OH, wait a minute. One more issue is at hand. This one if mainly for the ladies, but can be for the guys too. Modesty is a huge issue in our culture and tattoos and piercings are just invitations to flash a body part to someone else. Not to mention the fact that certain piercings really say something about your personal purity. If your body modification is for you only, then fine, but if it is something you will want to show off then perhaps you should consider your heart on this issue.
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The scriptures quoted are not referring to casual piercing or tattooing, but to a pagan religious act. So those are clearly out the door. If you choose to follow those then you better make sure that you are not wearing any clothing that has more than one kind of fiber woven together (i.e. cotton and polyester) cause then you are sinning too. The real issue is this:
That's an extreme misquote of the scriptures. It explicitly says only a mix of Wool and "Linen" mixed together should not be worn.
2) Has anyone ever been healthier after a body piercing or tattoo? The clear answer is no so in the arena of things being permissible, but not being beneficial, we have a clear loser.
But not every piercing or tattoo causes sickness, either, so that seems like sort've a moot point to me.
3) Finally, the cost involved in having these procedures done (clearly in Caleb's case this is not an issue unless he incurs medical bills; see #2) is usually pretty substantial. Considering a large number of people in the world live in poverty and die due to starvation, as followers of Jesus we should have a huge problem blowing our money on such self ornamentation.
"The poor will always be with you." (No saying we shouldn't help them, but remember that Yahushua condemned Judas for trying to condemn Mary.)
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That's an extreme misquote of the scriptures. It explicitly says only a mix of Wool and "Linen" mixed together should not be worn.
In what translation? I see no such distinction in the NIV or NASB.
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Isn't that an O.T. scripture anyways? O_o; Not that we should dismiss all O.T. scripture but things like unclean animals are dismissed, aren't they?
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The scriptures quoted are not referring to casual piercing or tattooing, but to a pagan religious act. So those are clearly out the door. If you choose to follow those then you better make sure that you are not wearing any clothing that has more than one kind of fiber woven together (i.e. cotton and polyester) cause then you are sinning too. The real issue is this:
That's an extreme misquote of the scriptures. It explicitly says only a mix of Wool and "Linen" mixed together should not be worn.
2) Has anyone ever been healthier after a body piercing or tattoo? The clear answer is no so in the arena of things being permissible, but not being beneficial, we have a clear loser.
But not every piercing or tattoo causes sickness, either, so that seems like sort've a moot point to me.
3) Finally, the cost involved in having these procedures done (clearly in Caleb's case this is not an issue unless he incurs medical bills; see #2) is usually pretty substantial. Considering a large number of people in the world live in poverty and die due to starvation, as followers of Jesus we should have a huge problem blowing our money on such self ornamentation.
"The poor will always be with you." (No saying we shouldn't help them, but remember that Yahushua condemned Judas for trying to condemn Mary.)
God clearly commands us to care for the poor. It would take me too long to find all the verses he commands us to do such. Here are a few:
DT 10:14
To the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in
it. 15 Yet the LORD set his affection on your forefathers and loved them, and he chose you, their
descendants, above all the nations, as it is today. 16 Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-
necked any longer. 17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and
awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes. 18 He defends the cause of the fatherless and the
widow, and loves the alien, giving him food and clothing. 19 And you are to love those who are aliens, for
you yourselves were aliens in Egypt. 20 Fear the LORD your God and serve him. Hold fast to him and take
your oaths in his name. 21 He is your praise; he is your God, who performed for you those great and
awesome wonders you saw with your own eyes. 22 Your forefathers who went down into Egypt were
seventy in all, and now the LORD your God has made you as numerous as the stars in the sky.
LK 12:32
"Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell
your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in
heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your
treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Psalm 82:3
“Give justice to the poor and the orphan; uphold the rights of the oppressed and the destitute.”
Psalm 82:4
“Rescue the poor and helpless; deliver them from the grasp of evil people.”
Luke 14:13
“Instead, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind.”
Luke 18:22
“When Jesus heard his answer, he said, ‘There is still one thing you haven’t done. Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.’”
2 Corinthians 9:9
“As the Scriptures say, ‘They share freely and give generously to the poor. Their good deeds will be remembered forever.’”
I have no problem w/ piercing due to the fact they can be removed at any time, and are a big part of certain cultures. I just think if your going to get any professional job its best not to get a tattoo that isn't easily covered up. Plus the fact that you are stuck with the tattoo once you get makes it something I wouldn't do. I just try and stay away from gray areas.
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3) Finally, the cost involved in having these procedures done (clearly in Caleb's case this is not an issue unless he incurs medical bills; see #2) is usually pretty substantial. Considering a large number of people in the world live in poverty and die due to starvation, as followers of Jesus we should have a huge problem blowing our money on such self ornamentation.
Though I am against this stuff (especially for teenagers), this point is void. Using that logic, no one, besides those near Thousand Oaks, should go to Nationals because they are using a lot of money to play a card game (that they can play online) and hang out with people (that they can also do online) when they could feed the children of the world. Imagine, just in my case, how many children can be fed a whole month for $200.
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Isn't that an O.T. scripture anyways? O_o; Not that we should dismiss all O.T. scripture but things like unclean animals are dismissed, aren't they?
The NT clearly indicates that those "unclean animals" are no longer sinful to eat (both in Peter's vision and in Paul's teachings). The NT never indicates that it is not a good idea to get piercings and tattoos.
You could argue that the OT passage is only about a specific kind of piercing and tattoos, but it should not be compared to the "unclean animals" regulations.
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Nice piercing Caleb! :thumbup:
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So maybe those of us...myself included...should reconsider the large amounts of money we put into games...unless of course we see them as a ministry. In that case we should treat them more like a ministry and less as a hobby. I actually knew that would come up as soon as I typed that part. I have at times felt convicted about the money I spend on Redemption, and usually I am given an opportunity to recommit the game to ministry status.
BTW, I just threw those four ideas out there cause someone much wiser and better versed in the scriptures than I told me then when I asked him about tattoos and piercings. Being a Youth Minister, this topic has come up on occasion. The other idea that came up but I failed to mention in the earlier post is that our earthly bodies will return to the dust, so any idea that we are marring God's temple is not accurate. If you read the areas of scripture where our bodies are called God's temple, it is where we are talked about collectively as a building made from people (living stones). We will receive new bodies in heaven called "pneumatica soma" or spiritual bodies separate and apart from our earthly ones.
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I'm against giving to the poor, actually. It was a different culture back then. Giving to the poor now is a terrible idea.
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I'm against giving to the poor, actually. It was a different culture back then. Giving to the poor now is a terrible idea.
You seem to be making a generalization that all poor people are money-squanderers. This is unfair and untrue.
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I'm against giving to the poor, actually. It was a different culture back then. Giving to the poor now is a terrible idea.
You seem to be making a generalization that all poor people are money-squanderers. This is unfair and untrue.
Just in America.
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I'm against giving to the poor, actually. It was a different culture back then. Giving to the poor now is a terrible idea.
You seem to be making a generalization that all poor people are money-squanderers. This is unfair and untrue.
Just in America.
Are you a sith?
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I'm against giving to the poor, actually. It was a different culture back then. Giving to the poor now is a terrible idea.
You seem to be making a generalization that all poor people are money-squanderers. This is unfair and untrue.
Just in America.
Are you a sith?
Think about this. We're having problems with illegal immigration, right? Why are they coming here? To get jobs. ERGO, poor people have plenty of opportunities to get un-poor (these things called "jobs").
A "poor" person in America isn't "needy".
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A "poor" person in America isn't "needy".
That is not true. The homeless are needy, single mothers are always needy. They man not need money compared to someone living in the slums of Mumbai, but they still need things.
There are poor people with sattelite dishes and they do draw t he wrong kind of attention to poverty, but they are not the majority of those in poverty. There are plenty of people in america who can use the generosity of others.
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A "poor" person in America isn't "needy".
That is not true. The homeless are needy, single mothers are always needy. They man not need money compared to someone living in the slums of Mumbai, but they still need things.
There are poor people with sattelite dishes and they do draw t he wrong kind of attention to poverty, but they are not the majority of those in poverty. There are plenty of people in america who can use the generosity of others.
I mean, mothers have food, free schooling, and shelter, don't they?
Can't the homeless work as well?
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A "poor" person in America isn't "needy".
That is not true. The homeless are needy, single mothers are always needy. They man not need money compared to someone living in the slums of Mumbai, but they still need things.
There are poor people with sattelite dishes and they do draw t he wrong kind of attention to poverty, but they are not the majority of those in poverty. There are plenty of people in america who can use the generosity of others.
I mean, mothers have food, free schooling, and shelter, don't they?
Can't the homeless work as well?
I agree America is a land of oppertunity. If you're poor in America (as in living on the streets) its usually either the results of drugs or unwise usage of your money.
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I mean, mothers have food, free schooling, and shelter, don't they?
Can't the homeless work as well?
If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.
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I mean, mothers have food, free schooling, and shelter, don't they?
Can't the homeless work as well?
If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.
Exactly.
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I mean, mothers have food, free schooling, and shelter, don't they?
Can't the homeless work as well?
If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.
Exactly.
I hope that is from the version with George C Scott, which is by a long shot the best... followed by the Muppets'
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That's an extreme misquote of the scriptures. It explicitly says only a mix of Wool and "Linen" mixed together should not be worn.
In what translation? I see no such distinction in the NIV or NASB.
The KJV...
King James Version (KJV)
Leviticus 19:19
19Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
Deuteronomy 22:11
11Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.
Also, the word actually used is "sha‛aṭnêz"
shah-at-naze'
Probably of foreign derivation; linsey woolsey, that is, cloth of linen and wool carded and spun together: - garment of divers sorts, linen and woollen.
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I mean, mothers have food, free schooling, and shelter, don't they?
Can't the homeless work as well?
If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.
Exactly.
Well at least you stand by your views.
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A "poor" person in America isn't "needy".
That is not true. The homeless are needy, single mothers are always needy. They man not need money compared to someone living in the slums of Mumbai, but they still need things.
There are poor people with sattelite dishes and they do draw t he wrong kind of attention to poverty, but they are not the majority of those in poverty. There are plenty of people in america who can use the generosity of others.
I mean, mothers have food, free schooling, and shelter, don't they?
Can't the homeless work as well?
I agree America is a land of oppertunity. If you're poor in America (as in living on the streets) its usually either the results of drugs or unwise usage of your money.
You're kidding, right? America is in a recession, people are losing jobs, which results in possibly losing a home.
And be careful about generalizing.... the sociologist will smack your hand. lol. But seriously, especially in our economy, you can't make that generalization.
And at Colin, alright, don't give the poor money. Have you ever talked to them; they're human too. Ask them what they need; if they're hungry, have you thought about telling him or her to stay there and you'll be right back, going to the nearest (insert restaurant here) and getting them something to eat? This is something people from my church regularly do in our community, which has one of the highest poverty rates in PA.
The youth pastor I work under did his Master's thesis about the divorce of social justice and evangelicalism, and the result was calling us to a remarriage of the two. I feel the same way he does about it: we try so hard to save souls we forget that people need food in their tummy too.
~Marti
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I don't know, call me unsympathetic. I think Room in the Inn does a good job with this kind of stuff; I've worked with them before. It's just kind of starting to be hopeless: the generations that are stuck on the streets or in the ghetto. If you study the psychology of genetics, the homeless are creating more homeless and they just stay here, unable to move out of it, while someone else might come here from overseas and work there way to at least the middle class in their lifetime with no education.
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If you're poor in America (as in living on the streets) its usually either the results of drugs or unwise usage of your money.
This ignores the huge percentage of homeless people with mental illness. If the church did a better job of taking care of the poor and sick, then the government wouldn't have to try to do it (and fail). And the result would be bringing glory to God.
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I could not agree with this more.
Of course, the church's efforts in this regard are also hampered when people decide they're going to do their own thing instead of working communally with the other believers in the community.
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I could not agree with this more.
Of course, the church's efforts in this regard are also hampered when people decide they're going to do their own thing instead of working communally with the other believers in the community.
What if we spent a day of Nationals to go to a soup kitchen or other shelter to help and suspend the games for that day. :)
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It'd be pretty cool if there was a donation bucket at Nats that went to a ministry of the hosts' choice...
~Marti