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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Gabe on June 02, 2009, 10:29:22 AM
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I'm sure I'm not the only one looking forward to another great write up from Bryon on a new card. It's been a couple weeks since Article 1. Does anyone know if we'll see Article 2 this week?
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Man, I saw this topic and was like "YESSS!!! THE NT HERO HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED" then I look at the topic.
...you upset me more than 3 bags of flamin' hot cheetos. ;)
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Bryon posted the following late last week:
Does anybody know when the next article will be posted?
The approximate schedule is every other week. So, hopefully next week. The next card will be a brand NEW hero. :)
I think that's all "we" know.
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Man, I saw this topic and was like "YESSS!!! THE NT HERO HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED" then I look at the topic.
Made ya look. :laugh:
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Bryon said it would release every other week on Cactus website.
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Which means that it should be today and it is!!!
http://cactusgamedesign.com/red_game_articles_TeP-2.php (http://cactusgamedesign.com/red_game_articles_TeP-2.php)
;)
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I hate you. :-*
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You guys are killing me *tear*
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Which means that it should be today and it is!!!
http://cactusgamedesign.com/red_game_articles_TeP-2.php (http://cactusgamedesign.com/red_game_articles_TeP-2.php)
Doubleplusungood! You are now an unperson. ;)
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The thoughtcrime rate is going through the roof. :-\
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Ok but really seriously Bryon wheres are article? does Rob have it and he just hasn't posted yet, is it hidden on one of the other redemption websites? (Note I've already checked redemptionca, redemptionsocal, Phil's next kick, and the nexus.) So yeah, I would really love to have an article sometime today ;)
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That's backwards. Rob posts it when he gets it from me. I'm behind. Sorry.
I should have it sent to Rob tonight. To make it up to you, I'll try to make it a little extra spoilerific. :)
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Sweet, extra spoilers For the Win, thanks Bryon
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Well, at least we know who to blame. ;) :) ;D
Thanks for the update, Bryon. We'll look forward to your spoilerific article whenever you have time to finish it. :thumbup:
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Any idea of when "tonight" is the Bryon? And since its probably going to be late east coast Rob probably won't put it up tonight, so any chance we're going to see it on the boards first? pretty plz?
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Patience, young padawan.
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I really need patience. Like now. No really...seriously. Now.
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Ummm...... Bryon was only teasing.... you know, like the broken link and "made you look" title.... 8)
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Hey, my broken link was epic thank you....
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Broken? Not anymore!
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Broken? Not anymore!
... I can't belive you or myself :doh:
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OK. The article is UP
in my head. and on written on paper. and I'll type it tonight. And send it to Rob LATE tonight.
IF Rob has time tomorrow, or Friday, he will post it. Otherwise, we'll see it Monday or Tuesday at the latest. :)
In addition to the card the article is about, I count three other cards spoiled. Maybe I'll sneak in another hint or three since you all have been sooo patient. :) Or not. :)
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Cool, thanks a ton for all the hard work you put into making the wait for the new set enjoyable! Big shout out to BRYON!!
I'm glad we'll see it soon on the cactus website, but is there anything prohibiting you from posting it to the articles section of the board before it goes up there?
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Other than the fact he hasn't even typed it yet?
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yes, other than that, I was referring to after he had it typed, since its midnight on the east coast and rob obviously isn't going to put it on cactus tonight.
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jeesh- talk about a tough crowd
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hey now, hey now, I gave him props for doing all the hard work of putting out the articles and big thanks for them, and I'm really not that worried about it It would just be nice to see thats all.
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hey now, hey now, I gave him props for doing all the hard work of putting out the articles and big thanks for them, and I'm really not that worried about it It would just be nice to see thats all.
Hey, I give the Cardinals credit for putting on their uniforms and marching out onto the field in the Super Bowl and I don't really care that they lost, but it would have been nice to see them win.
Kirk
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True dat, I would have loved for the cardinals to win that game.
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Let's not reopen old wounds. :P
On the bright side, except for the first couple of weeks after the game I have not heard or seen hide nor hair of some team's more than fifth super bowl win. ;)
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Hi.
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Horray!!! thanks Rob!
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/red_game_articles_TeP-2.php (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/red_game_articles_TeP-2.php)
sweet looking hero about time too.
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What?!??!! We can't give red a quality N.T. warrior class Hero. People might actually start using that brigade! :laugh:
Nice preview as usual, Bryon. Full of fun spoilers!
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He's a beast, wow... he completely trashes my current deck.... he's a target for Image of Jealousy for sure.
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This was DEFINITELY needed. Great card for red, bad for suicide.
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Is it me or did he reveal at least 5 different new cards in this set?
A red territory enhancement that searches your deck.
Another red warrior class hero (maybe bands to this one?)
Sites with new devastating abilities.
Philistine Garrison that affects lone heroes somehow.
There were a lot of spoilers in this one article for those of us not in the know!
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Muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha... I miss Red so much. Now I think I will use it more, esp. with the search enhancement. ;D
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There will be more sites, more and different ways to use sites, steal sites, discard sites, negate sites, and search for sites.
I looked at the above sentence and thought to myself, "That's probably one card for each idea." Because of that I can see at least 2 cards for each idea from that list. I would guess one for a good brigade and one for an evil brigade.
I like the possibility of banding this guy with Adino+Spear.
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Adino is a beast my cousin won our game with adino.poor king asnapper
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Adino is a beast? You are joking, right?
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a beast as in powerful in lategame
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Adino has never seemed that good...
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try kings verson
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I opened the article and got a HUGE smile on my face. Reading through the article, that smile got bigger, even to the end, when I saw a reference to Philistines.... is it time for my bruiser deck to return? Ooooo I want to know more!
*runs away excitedly*
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I've always liked red offense but been gunshy about giving away initiative.
Red offense with the new cards is one of my favorite things now.
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I don't know if red really needed more access. :P I mean, it already has Recruiting Officer, Dodai, Caleb, Ram's Horn, and simply the fact that it's red, giving it access to any Babylon & Lion's Den sites. However, I guess we should be expecting more site usage from now on, so this is probably a good thing. Also, it's nice to have NT. ...Negating EC abilities probably would have been enough, though. ;)
P.S. Even if this new Philistine Garrison says "Discard all of opponent's heroes in play. Cannot be negated." I'm not too excited unless Philistines get some kind of protection from ET with AoCP.
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Duplicated in the Articles section.
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I'm not too excited unless Philistines get some kind of protection from ET with AoCP.
What if Phillistine Garrison says something like "As long as this character is in play, all Phillistines are immune to all good cards. Cannot be negated."
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Well, that isn't going to happen. :P
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Is that a different symbol on the card? A treasure chest?
Great article, Bryon. But if someone drafts him after they already have the Caleb band, I will blame you. :D
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Is that a different symbol on the card? A treasure chest?
Great article, Bryon. But if someone drafts him after they already have the Caleb band, I will blame you. :D
I would assume so since it is called Treasures of the Past....
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P.S. Even if this new Philistine Garrison says "Discard all of opponent's heroes in play. Cannot be negated." I'm not too excited unless Philistines get some kind of protection from ET with AoCP.
What if Phillistine Garrison says something like "As long as this character is in play, all Phillistines are immune to all good cards. Cannot be negated."
Since Bryon mentioned negating his ability using Might of Faith, I can safely say that his ability is neither of the above...
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He's probably immune to lone heroes or something.
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P.S. Even if this new Philistine Garrison says "Discard all of opponent's heroes in play. Cannot be negated." I'm not too excited unless Philistines get some kind of protection from ET with AoCP.
Lol? If he said that, then what would you need protection for? :D
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...ET WITH AOCP.
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Is that a different symbol on the card? A treasure chest?
I would assume so since it is called Treasures of the Past....
The previous card had an oasis symbol, though... why the change?
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That was for the territory class enhancement. The little treasure chest in the bottom corner is the same on both cards.
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Hey,
As I list the following evil characters, think about how useful they are without their special abilities: Uzzah, Trembling Demon, ... The Amalekites' Slave ...
Am I the only one that appreciates The Amalekites' Slave for what he is without his ability?
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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...ET WITH AOCP.
That still wouldnt do anything if you kept that guy in your hand along with one or two other guys...
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Hey,
As I list the following evil characters, think about how useful they are without their special abilities: Uzzah, Trembling Demon, ... The Amalekites' Slave ...
Am I the only one that appreciates The Amalekites' Slave for what he is without his ability?
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
Not if you'd like the less-experienced to know. ;)
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I personally like the card, and will prolly add it to my Red Banding deck. But like Bryon eluded to with "The Might of Faith," one card can't fix the brigade. This card is a huge step in the right direction to helping Red out, and now am looking foward to seeing what the Red Enhancement that can only be used by Warrior Class Heroes does to help fix Red....
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Since Bryon mentioned negating his ability using Might of Faith, I can safely say that his ability is neither of the above...
You are of course correct, and not being a playtester, I have no idea what the real ability is. I was just trying to point out to Bubbleboy that there are some possibilities that would excite him even if there weren't a protection fortress.
Secondly, I think it would be cool to have the protection of the Phillistines to come from a character instead of just another fortress like all the other civilizations. It makes the game more interesting :)
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Maybe the playtesters are tired of making every Fortress provide protection. What if they found something else really cool to do with a cultural Fortress?
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That's an interesting point....
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Maybe the playtesters are tired of making every Fortress provide protection. What if they found something else really cool to do with a cultural Fortress?
Hehehe. ;D
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No matter how much you try to move me, I will not be excited without protection.
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Well then its your prerogative to not be excited. The rest of us will be, on the other hand.
Kirk
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If Philistine Garrison reads like Army of Simenites, or Men of Juday, then ET with AOC would only send it away for one turn and it would come back with slightly less numbers... not immune, but still not destroyed by it...
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No matter how much you try to move me, I will not be excited without protection.
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You own a goat?
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If Philistine Garrison reads like Army of Simenites, or Men of Juday, then ET with AOC would only send it away for one turn and it would come back with slightly less numbers... not immune, but still not destroyed by it...
He would be the only survivor. I would like to keep Twelve Fingered Giant and Philistine Priests if possible.
You own a goat?
No, that's me. The rope represents your pathetic attempts to excite me. ;)
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We're choking you in the efforts? ???
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Almost literally. ;)
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Poor you.
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If Philistine Garrison reads like Army of Simenites, or Men of Juday, then ET with AOC would only send it away for one turn and it would come back with slightly less numbers... not immune, but still not destroyed by it...
He would be the only survivor. I would like to keep Twelve Fingered Giant and Philistine Priests if possible.
You own a goat?
No, that's me. The rope represents your pathetic attempts to excite me. ;)
Since when is ET with AoCp this godlike entity in Redemption? It's not that good. Your aware that it nukes his defense too, right?
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Correct. Destroyer rocks.
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Correct. Destroyer rocks.
Go spam somewhere else.
Destroyer isn't good either. Removing yourself from the game is suckage.
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That's why Cov-o-Eden & Chamber Pot is a good idea. ;)
BTW, most people I know who use AoCP have defenses with protection fortresses, which is what I was talking about. I just can't tell you how many times ET with AoCP has decimated my defense. So you guys can have your opinions and I will have mine, even if I am an idiot for doing so. :P
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Then you stink at buliding you deck.
If it's so widespread and yet it is defendable, why haven't you come up with ways to defend it?
In all seriousness though, the combo isn't that good and I will hold to that forever. Rpotection forts in type 1 are some of teh best packaged fluff I have ever seen.
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Then you stink at buliding you deck.
You stink at building you sentences. :P
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Haha. Yay for typos!
My opinions on your deck building stand strong, albethey in poor grammar.
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Correct. Destroyer rocks.
Go spam somewhere else.
Destroyer isn't good either. Removing yourself from the game is suckage.
Considering the damage done by destroyer, along with the righ enhancements, you could kill off up to five guys. That's special.
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Alex, protection Fortresses are good to have if you're using the Evil Characters that go with them. The fact that there are so many of them actually adds to your argument that ET + AoC isn't that good.
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You can kill off an infinite number of guys with him in theory, but that's all it is with him. Theory.
Alex, protection Fortresses are good to have if you're using the Evil Characters that go with them. The fact that there are so many of them actually adds to your argument that ET + AoC isn't that good.
This is where there is a debate. In Type 1, I can't see that being true. Type 2, yes, mostly due to the overuse of AoCp in general. However, in Type 1, where the best ECs in most brigades are "off civ" in combination with the fact you want to hold ECs in your hand as long as possible in most cases causes me to believe that the use of a protection fortress to protect my 5 guys, who usually are on the table seperately as much as possible, is simply a redundant way to protect them.
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Theory can be proven. Those kinds of theories are called hypothesis. Scientists use them all the time.
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Theory can be proven. Those kinds of theories are called hypothesis. Scientists use them all the time.
This makes your point true how?
In theory, RDT's deck can win the game 1 turn. Does that mean it's the best deck ever?
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You asked, now you answer.
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It's a rhetorical question to bring to light the point that some theoretical solutions or answers aren't factual plausible.
Evolution is a theory too. I guess that means it's true. But your a christian, so it's evil to believe that.
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Evolution is unprovable. The destroyer is not.
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Evolution isn't unprovable. Neither is Destroyer. Both are just proven with very weak evidences.
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So you're saying evolution is true. Notice I have a period.
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So you're saying evolution is true. Notice I have a period.
Notice that your sentence is a fragment actually.
No, I am using the evolution debate as an illustration.
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You're still saying it's true.
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I never stated that anywhere.
And for all I currently know, it could. It's basically improvable though.
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Your main goal in this arguement is trying to trip me up in my words. I will have to play the dumb man until your reasoning has been adjusted.
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Your main goal in this arguement is trying to trip me up in my words. I will have to play the dumb man until your reasoning has been adjusted.
No, actually my main goal is to prove that the Destroyer isn't the good in practicality despite his being good in theory.
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The Destroyer is really good for TGT decks.
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The Destroyer is really good for TGT decks.
That's an interesting application of his ability. I thought he specified OT though?
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The Destroyer doesn't specify OT, but does specify evil.
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I knew it didn't sounds right. :P I needed an Aggie though.
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I think he meant good for TGT decks to use. Protection Forts can be annoying to TGT :)
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Good point. I think Mr. Numbers is right.
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You guys can stop arguing, because you are all right :)
Janissary is right that AoCP can be stopped, and isn't the worst thing in the world anymore. There are ways around it, and some of the best are protection fortresses.
BubbleBoy is right that Philistines are a particularly vulnerable civilization currently. They have very little protection from anything, and they rarely get initiative in battle. Looking at the broader meta-game, there are just too many TGT decks focused on territory destruction (Jepthah, ET+AoCP, Holy Grail, Israelite Archer, The Destroyer, etc.) for them to have a chance.
I agree with BB that Philistines need some sort of protection to be viable in top decks. However, this protection doesn't have to come from a fortress.
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Does The Centurion at Capernaum really give me unlimited use on the New Jerusalem Site and Promised Land?!?! Sweet!!! ;D
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Does The Centurion at Capernaum really give me unlimited use on the New Jerusalem Site and Promised Land?!?! Sweet!!! ;D
Why would you need it? He grants himself access to all sites. :D
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I agree with BB that Philistines need some sort of protection to be viable in top decks. However, this protection doesn't have to come from a fortress.
In fact, I would be very excited if this protection was, say, a territory class enhancement. That would be fun!