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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Lamborghini_diablo on January 27, 2010, 04:25:14 PM
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http://gear.ign.com/articles/106/1064047p1.html (http://gear.ign.com/articles/106/1064047p1.html)
http://www.apple.com/ (http://www.apple.com/)
They finally released their rumored tablet PC... Think it'll do well?
Personally, I think it won't do so hot because its basicly a huge iPhone, with few added benefits.
Pros that I see:
The $30 infinate dataplan is pretty nice
Nice screen
Cons I see:
Close to $900 for the 3G version with a mere 64gb of hard drive space? I can get a sub $400 laptop with more memory and probably more functionality than this.
Very odd size
smudge/scratches become a problem
only an upgraded iphone OS
No physical keyboard
All in all, I'd rather get a normal laptop with a full fledged OS, more memory, faster processors and graphics, a full keyboard, and the ability to protect its own screen.
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A lot of the things you say are accurate, but a lot of parallel arguments could be - and were - made about the difference between the iPod and other competing MP3 players of the day.
Two big advantages Apple has going for it is promoting the user experience, and the percentage of people who will purchase anything with a piece of fruit on the box. Our graphics and marketing guy brought in a package of mandarin oranges to work last week because he thought Steve Jobs was trying to make inroads in the produce market.
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This definitely isn't a laptop replacement, but you can kiss the Kindle/Nook goodbye. The ebook reader is dead, the $499 tablet is in.
This is the perfect kitchen computer. It has the great calendar, mail, browser, and media. It can dock but it uber portable. People with a desktop + this will be very happy. It's a bit too similar to the iPhone though.
And why ON EARTH with a 1 gHz processor is there no multitasking!? That's needed (and can be supplied from the jailbreak community.)
I think this is going to do really really well. The entry price of $499 is amazing; it will become the kitchen/media computer of choice. I don't need one (laptop + iPod Touch) but I think my mom would love one (just a desktop).
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A lot of the things you say are accurate, but a lot of parallel arguments could be - and were - made about the difference between the iPod and other competing MP3 players of the day.
Two big advantages Apple has going for it is promoting the user experience, and the percentage of people who will purchase anything with a piece of fruit on the box. Our graphics and marketing guy brought in a package of mandarin oranges to work last week because he thought Steve Jobs was trying to make inroads in the produce market.
LOL! The second point aside, what major reason is there for me to buy this?
I'd rather just buy this thing: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5290617&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5290617&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs)
dual core processor, dedicated video card, bigger hard drive, physical keyboard, bigger screen....
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They are different things. The iPad isn't a PC, it is for people who don't have an iPhone or laptop, people who want a portable kitchen computer, or students who want an ereader. You (and I) don't fit into any of those groups. We don't want it, but there defintely are people who will gobble this up. The Kindle (a single purpose device easily emulated by a program) has done really well, this will leave it in the dust.
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The Ipad is an educational tool. Imagine the potential of placing Ipads in every high school class room. Electronic textbooks, emailed class notes, and youtube use in a personal way screams awesome and useful to me.
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LOL! The second point aside, what major reason is there for me to buy this?
Again, you're comparing this tablet to something you believe to be in a similar category but of better design. You're tech savvy enough to see what you want. Not everyone is. Even those who are, will take name-brand hardware over a superior product from a company they've never heard of (and yes, you and I have heard of Asus, but unless it's HP, Dell or Apple, most people haven't).
This was the entire reason for my first point. People will buy the brand and they will buy the user experience. You will buy something that's more powerful. That's you. The first point shows from history that you will give Asus another $500 and the populace will give Steve Jobs another money vault to swim in.
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youtube
Issue, the iPad doesnt support flash at the moment... sorry youtube.
LOL! The second point aside, what major reason is there for me to buy this?
Again, you're comparing this tablet to something you believe to be in a similar category but of better design. You're tech savvy enough to see what you want. Not everyone is. Even those who are, will take name-brand hardware over a superior product from a company they've never heard of (and yes, you and I have heard of Asus, but unless it's HP, Dell or Apple, most people haven't).
This was the entire reason for my first point. People will buy the brand and they will buy the user experience. You will buy something that's more powerful. That's you. The first point shows from history that you will give Asus another $500 and the populace will give Steve Jobs another money vault to swim in.
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:D
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Issue, the iPad doesnt support flash at the moment... sorry youtube.
Just like the iPhone, it has a YouTube app which supports watching Youtube in SD and HD. The website doesn't work, the app does very well.
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Regardless, no flash means a lot of websites will be broken or completely nonfunctional.
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Issue, the iPad doesnt support flash at the moment... sorry youtube.
If you use Chrome or Safari, you can play YouTube videos using the h.264 codec.
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Ah, I dont have any current apple products so I wouldn't know :D
In other news, this thing utterly destroys the iPad in terms of functionality for the price:
http://www.archos.com/products/nb/archos_9/index.html?country=us&lang=en (http://www.archos.com/products/nb/archos_9/index.html?country=us&lang=en)
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That device only has 5 hours of battery. A tablet needs enough power to work though an entire day. Also, lack of an apps store and higher price hurt it in comparisons.
I personally would rather use an iPod touch than the iPad, as a 10" device is pretty big to simply carry around.
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That device only has 5 hours of battery. A tablet needs enough power to work though an entire day. Also, lack of an apps store and higher price hurt it in comparisons.
Higher price? So... you can have your oversized 16gb iphone for $499, while I'll take a Windows 7 mini computer with 60GB for $50 more. App store... who needs that. Seeing as it runs windows 7, you can just download and install anything you can on a normal PC.
If I had to buy a tablet, I'd go with the archos over the ipad in a heartbeat.
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Nothing I have ever used on a PC (aside from minesweeper) will a) run on that processor, and b) work with a stylus. Additionally, the version of Win7 on there can't run just anything, as it is not a full version of Windows. Also, an open OS goes back to a need for virus scans, a painful experience on such a slow processor.
8 gigs is still enough for me to carry music, ebooks, movies, etc around with me, especially considering it is flash memory.
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i was just going to post that, the archos tablets blow absolutely everything comparable out of the water.
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Im sure you can run a lot more useful stuff on the archos than on the ipad, seeing as most of the apps now are old iphone apps... YAY i can have a 10" flashlight!
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the ipad screen is way too big for me too...if i wanted something that big and mobile, i would just get a laptop (can also do more things). if it has less specs, then it also better be less in size as well, in my book. the archos 9 series tablets have the perfect specs to meet its very mobile size.
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In other news, this thing utterly destroys the iPad in terms of functionality for the price:
I don't think you're hearing me on the correlation between functionality and sales when it comes to Apple.
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Im sure you can run a lot more useful stuff on the archos than on the ipad, seeing as most of the apps now are old iphone apps... YAY i can have a 10" flashlight!
Apple has its entire iWork suite (comparable to MS Office) able to run in a fully-functioning form on the iPad. Not a single program in the Office suite will run on the Archos; instead you are stuck with the tacky, limited Lotus Symphony suite.
Additionally, I can find very few worthwhile apps (Skype, IM, email excluded) that will run on 1GB of RAM, a weird screen resolution, and a stylus. iPad has access to 140,000 plus the many new apps that will be available once it releases in March (if you have a minute, check out the middle of the keynote (http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1001q3f8hhr/event/index.html), which shows a very impressive demo of new games from EA and gameloft).
Plus, there are many features that are useful beyond games. eBook store & reader. 3G option. Multi-touch. And a whole slew of developers that hope to take advantage of this device.
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So basically it's a more expensive, less-powerful laptop with a touch screen.
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Lambo, but those PC ones are gonna get viruses... ;)
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Useful comparison of the iPad and the Rosetta Stone (in case you are undecided on which to get)...
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi28.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc232%2Fhekebolos%2Fipad-vs-stone-600x400.jpg&hash=6ec8433fa889daf22075394e1153015dd899482f)
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people who want a portable kitchen computer, or students who want an ereader.
and I thought I was outta touch for not having a dishwasher and for having a library in the bathroom. ;D
Godspeed,
Mike
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seems like its an over sized ipod touch and I don think there is a dvd drive so i cant watch my movies on there and I will have to rebuy them from itunes. and no multy tasking no flash and wost of all at&t 3g all of the others dont relay matter but at&t again and not verizon I mean come on I don't think my parents will let me get at&t just for 3g on the ipad. but they really need to rework the os and use snow lepord then I would get it as soon as I could.
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They are different things. The iPad isn't a PC, it is for people who don't have an iPhone or laptop, people who want a portable kitchen computer, or students who want an ereader. You (and I) don't fit into any of those groups. We don't want it, but there defintely are people who will gobble this up. The Kindle (a single purpose device easily emulated by a program) has done really well, this will leave it in the dust.
its also for mac lovers who will buy anything apple and dont want to have to shop around for a better tablet or netbook
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Maybe many Mac fanboys will buy them, but many expert Mac lovers who want a netbook will buy a Dell Mini 9 and Hackintosh it.
seems like its an over sized ipod touch and I don think there is a dvd drive so i cant watch my movies on there and I will have to rebuy them from itunes
You don't have to rebuy your movies! All you have to do is burn the dvds to your computer and no more disks. Check out Handbrake if you want to do it.
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I don think there is a dvd drive so i cant watch my movies on there and I will have to rebuy them from itunes.
Many tech geeks suppose that the future of the intarwebs is The Cloud (tm). Expect many pieces of hardware like this that will try to make all of your stuff software-based and cloud-utilizingly portable. See also: the Netbooks with the Google OS.
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I don think there is a dvd drive so i cant watch my movies on there and I will have to rebuy them from itunes.
Many tech geeks suppose that the future of the intarwebs is The Cloud (tm). Expect many pieces of hardware like this that will try to make all of your stuff software-based and cloud-utilizingly portable. See also: the Netbooks with the Google OS.
didnt even know there were netbooks with a google os i will take a look
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Not yet. They're coming. Probably another year out.
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...with a name like that, it can't possibly succeed. ;)
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...with a name like that, it can't possibly succeed. ;)
It'll flop like a Lead Zeppelin.
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...with a name like that, it can't possibly succeed. ;)
I think islate was a better name or itablet