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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: The Warrior on October 22, 2010, 11:03:29 PM
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Redemption is OP'd
Unless u have the same counters to the same cards (Which Are both in Every Deck)
you lose.
Period.
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I just got him with cheribum+et+spiritual warfare with three nails up. :)~ and et was gathered and i brought in gabriel...good times
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Bungie Valve Blizzard Cactus Wizards of the Coast obviously need to print more ignore counters. Not preblock, though!
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oh and guess what i discarded with gabe? hating the light :o FTW literally 5th ls YEA
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NO RTSM this his a built up frustration
My Point : Every "Good " deck i see has the same Cards (Jacob,Thadd,Treasuer,Golgotha,NT (WAY OP'd) Sites,Zeb,WS)
if it doesnt it looses
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I stopped playing online after facing three consecutive Zebulun Site Lock-Out decks from three different people. There were only a few cards that were different.
I think Warrior's point is that originality has left the game. Someone comes up with a valid combo/strategy, then everybody else who plays it online copies it. Worse yet is that those decks are boring and kill fellowship.
This is not what Redemption is supposed to be. My interest in this game has waned ever since my ROOT experience.The game is simply not fun any more.
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I think Warrior's point is that originality has left the game. Someone comes up with a valid combo/strategy, then everybody else who plays it online copies it. Worse yet is that those decks are boring and kill fellowship.
This is not what Redemption is supposed to be. My interest in this game has waned ever since my ROOT experience.The game is simply not much fun any more.
Q4T&E
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T1 is actually pretty boring. T2 is still sweet. That makes me sad beings I'm a much better t1 player than I am a t2 player.
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T1 is actually pretty boring. T2 is still sweet.
You're the second person who has said this to me recently. I have never played T2, so maybe the time has come.
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even worse, its plagued by either the same broken combo decks or anb reset.
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ANB was only popular in multi. And with the over 9000 counters, it won't be as popular.
As for combo decks, not really. I mean, Sin in the Camp was only played by a handful of people.
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sitc returns with golgotha though.
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8) :o Dont forget your Abe's Kids ladies.
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T2 FTW.
I lost 7-4 to The Guardian on my first game with a noob deck with an assyrian defense!!!!!!!!!
It is totally luck of the draw, I could have won it if I hadn't made a lot of mistakes.
Try it! :)
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if you don't like see'n the same cards over again, I don't think T2 is gonna be any better of an option for you.
With the new set, I actually see a lot more different cards be'n used in T1 then back in the day.
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This is part of the reason I hardly look at my cards anymore even if I don't play online plus the elders/PTB are not good rulemakers.
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T1 is actually pretty boring. T2 is still sweet.
You're the second person who has said this to me recently. I have never played T2, so maybe the time has come.
That is why i like both. Since type 1 is boring i try to make a deck that is totally different. Think out of the box. My newest creations were for other people and I was jealous that i didn't use it myself. But type 2 have variants and are able to do more things and i find is more fun but type 1 is more challenging.
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if you don't like see'n the same cards over again, I don't think T2 is gonna be any better of an option for you.
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if you don't like see'n the same cards over again, I don't think T2 is gonna be any better of an option for you.
With the new set, I actually see a lot more different cards be'n used then back in the day.
Di didn't help my type 2 at all...except cp but that's it...
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I stopped playing online after facing three consecutive Zebulun Site Lock-Out decks from three different people. There were only a few cards that were different.
I think Warrior's point is that originality has left the game. Someone comes up with a valid combo/strategy, then everybody else who plays it online copies it. Worse yet is that those decks are boring and kill fellowship.
This is not what Redemption is supposed to be. My interest in this game has waned ever since my ROOT experience.The game is simply not fun any more.
YMT, you should play with us in Pompano... We are all the time changing our decks and coming up with new strategies. Sure, we've tried priests and TGT before, and we'll probably explore this new deck set-up, but that only lasted a few games, and it was different people at different times. Actually, we found ways to make those decks somewhat pointless because we'd think outside the box, figure out what makes them so good, and build decks that implement better counters in order to take out the key cards... We'll have to head up to you guys again sometime!
-C_S
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I stopped playing online after facing three consecutive Zebulun Site Lock-Out decks from three different people. There were only a few cards that were different.
I think Warrior's point is that originality has left the game. Someone comes up with a valid combo/strategy, then everybody else who plays it online copies it. Worse yet is that those decks are boring and kill fellowship.
This is not what Redemption is supposed to be. My interest in this game has waned ever since my ROOT experience.The game is simply not fun any more.
YMT, you should play with us in Pompano... We are all the time changing our decks and coming up with new strategies. Sure, we've tried priests and TGT before, and we'll probably explore this new deck set-up, but that only lasted a few games, and it was different people at different times. Actually, we found ways to make those decks somewhat pointless because we'd think outside the box, figure out what makes them so good, and build decks that implement better counters in order to take out the key cards... We'll have to head up to you guys again sometime!
-C_S
In other words, you guys never saw how powerful TGT was. The selected playgroup didn't exploit it.
T2 FTW.
I lost 7-4 to The Guardian on my first game with a noob deck with an assyrian defense!!!!!!!!!
It is totally luck of the draw, I could have won it if I hadn't made a lot of mistakes.
Try it! :)
Hahahaha. It's funny, because T2 is WAY LESS luck of the draw than T1.
ANB was only popular in multi. And with the over 9000 counters, it won't be as popular.
As for combo decks, not really. I mean, Sin in the Camp was only played by a handful of people.
QFT. I only saw one SitC deck last year, and nobody else played COMBO COMBO COMBO COMBO CONGO!!!! Nazareth totally changed T2 Multi. The only combo deck that did well at nationals this year was Kirk's. Waay more balanced.
I think it's hilarious how this is exactly opposite of what Pol posted a week ago...
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You're missing the point. Winning is not my primary goal. I chose to play Redemption because it was fun and informative (Biblically speaking). I chose to spread the game because I wanted others to have fun and learn more about the people and events of the Bible.
The current state of the game is not fun. The entire focus of the game for the top players has become COMBO, which leads to boring games. You beat me because there was nothing I could do for the whole game. Woo-hoo.
The game needed this to keep the attention and interest of the top players, but in the meantime, the rest of us are losing interest quickly. New players are going to go to one tournament, be bored (while losing), then go home and look for a different game that is fun.
I have not played Redemption for several weeks. My son and I play Kingdom Hearts CCG frequently. The game itself is no longer produced, and there are no tournaments to attend. But we still play..... because it's fun.
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I'd say top players have been playing to win since the game was created and they will continue until they quit playing the game. If your primary goal isn't to win, I'd just enjoy playing whenever you can to have fun and learn more about the people and events of the Bible.
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YMT, your point is good about fun. I agree.
However, I disagree entirely that it's about combos. The whole "Nothing I can do" is lame, yes, which is why TGT is bad, but Disciples are stoppable at least...mostly...
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mostly...
Thadd
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I'd say top players have been playing to win since the game was created and they will continue until they quit playing the game.
This is not about playing to win. This is about the annihilation of the "fellowship" part of Redemption. If that has become obsolete for the purpose of winning, then I have no more need for Redemption.
However, I disagree entirely that it's about combos. The whole "Nothing I can do" is lame, yes, which is why TGT is bad, but Disciples are stoppable at least...mostly...
I have not plunged headlong into the Disciples cards yet, but with what has been said on the boards, there seem to be similar problems. I was generalizing "COMBO," but referring specifically about the "nothing you can do" decks. I apologize for the confusion.
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Thad takes way too long to set up. A good defense can bring them down...probably...
I haven't played many disciples decks yet, since my playgroup has had only one tournament, and most of the people didn't have many disciples. People are going both ways on this issue though, and I agree with Pol.
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probably...
Boat
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probably...
Boat
Fishing Boat isn't that good.
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boat = Set aside
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boat = Set aside
Oh noes! I can't kill a card that really doesn't do anything worthwhile! What should I do?
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boat = Set aside
Oh noes! I can't kill a card that really doesn't do anything worthwhile! What should I do?
boat = Goshen 2.0
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Goshen is totally worthless. Boat is pretty much worthless. Big deal.
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I have seen WAY more diverse decks doing well in Di than in any other expansion. I have a White/Herods deck, two combo decks, an Abom deck, a Disciples/Manasseh deck, a 102 card deck, a side-battle deck, a Prophets/Babylonians deck, a TGG (Teal Gold Green) deck, and a recursion deck that all work very well. I've also recently faced a decktype I've never seen before that has a lot of potential. FbtNB decks are also good (though I don't use one) and CTB can also perform very well.
Compare this to last season's viable strats: Speed, TGT, FbtNB, and Abom.
Redemption has never been better. The only people I see whining about T1 are those who either: haven't actually played it all that much since Di, refuse to adapt to the new game paradigm, or have had to play too many bogus huge decks on RTS (this group of people I don't blame, my philosophy is that a 100+ card deck should be as fast or faster than a 63 card deck, which my 102 is).
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That, and RTS is fairly limited with what it can do.
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Redemption Live! Needs Booster And Sealed
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Just because you see the same cards in t2 doesn't mean everything is the same. Sure, 70% of t2 decks will have one or more Uzzahs. But all the defenses are very independent and unique. Tons of t2 decks will have TSA or Cap. But there is still room to do something unique.
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Redemption Live! Needs Booster And Sealed
and normal tournaments need T2 booster. ;D
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Redemption Live! Needs Booster And Sealed
and normal tournaments need T2 booster. ;D
Nope. Definitely not. That takes forever, and for everybody but Bill, would cost way too much. Teams booster, however, would be awesome.
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I have played competitively less often and have been teaching the game most often.
I have observed that the game is enjoyed both ultra-competitively and in pure fellowship. I am truly blessed by both the competitive elite and the for-basic-fun-and-fellowship masses. Both thrive well in the same Redemption home and family.
ROOT for me is the ultimate national (even international) ultra competitive arena --- it is only for those who can swallow defeat with a grain of salt --- and not quit. It is indeed a breeding ground for future innovations in strategy.
Players can choose where they may want to be --- for me, all this is a blessing, be it ultra-competitive or not.
My advise if I may to all --- prepare built-up decks for pure fun and fellowship done the good old fashioned way. And if you can, likewise build utlra-competitive ones as well --- we need you to invent and invent more until standard flagship strategies can be replaced more dynamically. We have done it in the past -- we can always come up with unique designs.
I have players in their 60's who enjoy their Sealed Deck category. I have some T1 players who have shifted to Booster Draft due to ultra-competitive decks that always trump them. And of course I have the ultra-competitive players who end up in fellowship anyway after a much heated tourney --- sharing pizza, prayer, and Mountain Dew.
It all is well, my Redemption family --- all well.
God bless all of us.
Peace.
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Cool Fact:The past two T1 National champions used ROOT to test and develop thier decks.
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ROOT for me is the ultimate national (even international) ultra competitive arena --- it is only for those who can swallow defeat with a grain of salt --- and not quit. It is indeed a breeding ground for future innovations in strategy
I agree with this statement and would like to say that i have won one game in the past 5 people that i have played. HURTS. but i know it helps me to become a better player and keep me warmed up for the next tourney.
Warrior, we've played alot in the past week. When I first started playing Redemption, everytime i played Eric Largent, I always had a hard time deciding whether i should attack or not. In the same way Ive had plenty of
lost souls that you could have rescued because I had no defence, but you didnt attack. In my mind i asked "Why didnt he attack?" other times I know why you didnt attack because I had the tools to use your great defence
against you (and this is your playing style). You need some way to protect your defence from other players. I guess this is where I talk about all the cards everyone plays with, but thats the reason why they play with them-
because they work. I had three EC down that really stopped you from attacking me this game with your Jacob+Captain. King Manny/2khorsies, King Ahaz, and Messenger of Satan with Gates of Jerusalem. You had a
huge defence down with multiple banding. There was no way for me to rescue as well. I had to do something to try to win so I used Bronze Laver to put my evil under b/c i knew you wouldnt attack and proceeded to play
ET+AoC killing my own nasties but for a good cause. I didnt want to kill my guys but i needed to in order to try to pull out a win. Since then I have added a purple site and protect ls to try to help not killing my own EC's. We
must learn from these games and use that experience to help us in becoming the best of the best.
Top Gun - Highway to the Dangerzone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o#)
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ROOT for me is the ultimate national (even international) ultra competitive arena --- it is only for those who can swallow defeat with a grain of salt --- and not quit.
This sentiment is exactly what makes the competitive Redemption community no fun to play against. They assume that any complaints come from people who can not handle defeat. For the record, I was using a 70-card Daniel deck that I would never have entered into an actual tournament. I chose a Daniel deck because I wanted a different offense than any of my playgroup was using, and because it was fun. I knew that it would not win consistently, if at all.
The point that so many have been making lately is not that fact that they were losing, but how they were losing.
And of course I have the ultra-competitive players who end up in fellowship anyway after a much heated tourney --- sharing pizza, prayer, and Mountain Dew.
I don't remember the "end up in fellowship anyway" part of the 2008 CT state tournament that we did together. I seem to recall leaving that night with certain people still quite angry.
It all is well, my Redemption family --- all well.
All is not well, and ignoring the problem will not make it go away. Tournament numbers will continue to dwindle until only those "ultra-competitive" players remain. Have fun with that.
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YMT it seems you are quite bitter. I have played ROOT even got top 4:I got KILLED in the Top 4 but I still had fun You lost sight of the reason:Fun. Why? They picked you and other non-pro players apart which allows you to lose sight of the goal:fun. I kept my eyes on that goal. You need to re-evalurate this game if you see it as no-longer fun quit.
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You need to re-evalurate this game if you see it as no-longer fun quit.
What happens when too many of us do?
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It dies. Which I don't wanna see.
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Ive had to take a break before. It was about a week, then i was ok. :P
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It dies. Which I don't wanna see.
Me neither. So I'd like to see more variety.
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i think you get out of redemption as much as you put into it. if you're competitive about it, then expect to play other competitive people. if you're playing for fun, what difference does it matter if you could do nothing and lost? you werent playing seriously to begin with, so it shouldnt matter if you lose. if you dont like playing against serious players, then the only thing you can do is find other players to play with.
and i agree with reyzen totally, root is indeed the proving grounds for the best of the best. it doesnt get nearly as much respect as it should. i endured 12 consecutive months of playing with the top players to finally win it all. no winnings, no prizes, just putting your ego and pride on the line. :) i did get a trophy and recognition at nats, but the trophy came broken in the mail. :(
based on my extensive experience in root, i understand where you're coming from ymt. while it was fun for awhile, it eventually degraded into games becoming more and more serious and everyone losing touch with how fun this game is supposed to be. the game was no longer fun for me in root, so i decided to switch over to packs, which has players that dont care whether they win or not. root just wasnt worth the stress anymore, and i must say i feel a whole lot better about the game ever since being in packs.
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wow this thread surprises me that im not the only player to react so strongly to losing
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To bring some other perspective into this, I played ROOT Packs for a month after the cross-over, and lost the deciding game to MKC largely because of lop-sided drawing. Did I complain about it? No. Nesfedder's a cool guy who I enjoy talking with and fondly remember for his escalator escapades at my first Natz (which I took 3rd at).
What did I do? Get mad and stop? No, I moved on to ROOT RNRS and am so far undefeated. I do not use Speed, FbtNB, or TGT (though TGT is in my deck, it's not the same thing). When I play ROOT games, I more often than not use my A deck (which is fun to play), but I've also used other decks (including a deck that revolves around a 6 card combo, how is that not fun?). After each game, I'll be chatting with my opponent, sometimes over an hour, and we talk about what could make each of our decks better, what we have to watch out for, and pretty much any subject we share an interest in.
Every Redemption tournament I've ever been to has been a massive fun-and-fellowship-fest, even though I play Spike at tournaments and go for the throat (I lost the deciding game of the 2008 nationals against Mirejaavoebvaiefbiaebfaski, which would have given me a Natz first had I won). That same tournament, I spent hours playing Cutthroat Caverns with some very good friends I never would have met without Redemption, played an epic game of accidental "bad scrabble," and enjoyed evenings partying in a tent out back of Schaef's church, not to mention the worship service there where I realized Schaef is a musician. At a SE Regionals, the last thing I did before leaving was chase Kirk around the entire church yelling "give me back my shoe!" This is the same tournament I would have won T2 2-Player if we had followed the rules and ended the game at timeout, rather than finishing it (which gave Kirk the time he needed to beat me for the win...btw, I was using his own deck).
Maybe I've just had abnormally good experiences. Maybe my perspective is not the norm. But Redemption has provided me with a fun, fellowshippy part of my life I never would have experienced without it. And as a Spike player than hangs out with other Spike players after-hours and enjoys it, I have to say that though it's true the game has never been better than it is now with the Di cards, the community has never been stronger or more fun, which is what keeps me playing through my SoG being Discarded by Beheaded after my Beheaded discarded a LS.
In summary, I love you guys, and I love this game for introducing me to you. Di was the best set ever released, because it fixed the meta, but more importantly, because I spend more time with fellow Redemption enthusiasts. I may complain (sometimes a LOT) about some bad ruling or OP card that really should have been caught, but I've seen enough evidence of edification and fellowship to believe that what Rob is doing with this game is of God and a blessing to many lives.
/soapbox
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based on my extensive experience in root, i understand where you're coming from ymt. while it was fun for awhile, it eventually degraded into games becoming more and more serious and everyone losing touch with how fun this game is supposed to be. the game was no longer fun for me in root, so i decided to switch over to packs, which has players that dont care whether they win or not. root just wasnt worth the stress anymore, and i must say i feel a whole lot better about the game ever since being in packs.
The good news is that according to Matthew 19:30, I will be placing first in the Redemption tournaments in heaven. ;)
Sorry to hear about the trophy. :-\
Maybe I've just had abnormally good experiences. Maybe my perspective is not the norm.
In all fairness, it may be me that has had abnormally bad experiences, and my perspective is not the norm.
if you see it as no-longer fun quit.
You're right. I quit. Thanks for the encouragement.
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YMT, have you ever come to nationals?
Also, you are one of the people I enjoy most on the boards, so please don't leave for reasons like that, because you're making a positive impact on fun.
Speaking of Redemption Cards in Heaven, I had a dream about that once...Red and Orange were the best brigades...this was before Orange was released. Red was as bad as ever though.
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We don't need son of god in our decks in heaven, he's in our hearts! :)
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YMT If you play one game in Alabama you'll be grinning from ear-to-ear I promise you.
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escalator...Minnesota...nats 2011...*cringe* >.<
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escalator...Minnesota...nats 2011...*cringe* >.<
Last nats here was awesome. It'll be like a big reunion! :D
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escalator...Minnesota...nats 2011...*cringe* >.<
Last nats here was awesome. It'll be like a big reunion! :D
when was NATS last in MN?
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escalator...Minnesota...nats 2011...*cringe* >.<
Last nats here was awesome. It'll be like a big reunion! :D
it was a pretty epic nats. the first and original nats of (edit) 'chris bany bands X into battle'. oh, orangebus, how the game misses you.
when was NATS last in MN?
2005.
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YMT it seems you are quite bitter. I have played ROOT even got top 4:I got KILLED in the Top 4 but I still had fun You lost sight of the reason:Fun. Why? They picked you and other non-pro players apart which allows you to lose sight of the goal:fun. I kept my eyes on that goal. You need to re-evalurate this game if you see it as no-longer fun quit.
You clearly have not read and/or understood anything that YMT has said in this thread. When a player such as YMT has a discussion like this you can believe it is not because of bitterness. Your comments are misguided and ignorant at best.
The online games we have, in my experience, have never been anywhere near as fun as actually going to tournaments and seeing people and interacting with them. I would definitely not put very much stock in online Redemption as far as judging the fellowship and fun aspect.
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escalator...Minnesota...nats 2011...*cringe* >.<
Last nats here was awesome. It'll be like a big reunion! :D
it was a pretty epic nats. the first and original nats of 'walking on marys face' and 'chris bany bands X into battle'. oh, orangebus, how the game misses you.
when was NATS last in MN?
2005.
oh hey, I was at nats that year!!! haha
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You're right. I quit. Thanks for the encouragement.
Do not make me walk to Florida just to stop you from doing it! >:(
;D
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. . . . . Rest, if you must, but . . . . (excerpt from a poem we aptly know)
TO ALL:
Tim is exempt from guessing this poem. The first to PM me the correct title gets a 'Women' booster pack. PM only! Do not post your guess here!
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I estimate it will cost $50,000 to hire Lady GaGa. If we get 250 people, thats $200 each. This is more possible than you thing, guys.
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Do not make me walk to Florida just to stop you from doing it! >:(
I double-dog-dare ya!
I hardly ever play at tournaments anyway since I am usually the host. I have vicarious frustration through my playgroups. I'll still be hosting, once I can afford it again.
Don't mind the guy whose wife is having a difficult pregnancy. He doesn't know what he's saying.
. . . . . Rest, if you must, but . . . . (excerpt from a poem we aptly know)
TO ALL:
Tim is exempt from guessing this poem. The first to PM me the correct title gets a 'Women' booster pack. PM only! Do not post your guess here!
Does that mean I can't get a Women's pack? :'(
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The first to PM me the correct title gets a 'Women' booster pack. PM only! Do not post your guess here!
Contest is done. Godbless.
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No, you can get a women's pack, it just can't be a free one for knowing the poem. :-*
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I double-dog-dare ya!
Christian and I almost planned it one weekend this December (but fly obviously). I'm sure this will happen one day and so prepare for a nice spanking!
I'll still be hosting, once I can afford it again.
I know. I've always know that fact. I have never doubted it. I guess it's going to be our full-time function in this game ...why not. The best Redemption Jedi knights need the best trainers, you know. Yes!!!
Don't mind the guy whose wife is having a difficult pregnancy. He doesn't know what he's saying.
Tell her she is in my prayers as your whole family is, my bro --- in my prayers.
Does that mean I can't get a Women's pack? :'(
Heheheh ..... NO.
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Christian and I almost planned it one weekend this December (but fly obviously). I'm sure this will happen one day and so prepare for a nice spanking!
I just received my Disney Holiday Bonus Pass, which allows me five guests. If you come this December, I can get you both in to a Disney park, water park, or DisneyQuest. I still have a guest room available here at the house.
FYI, you'll have to keep your hands to yourself while you're here. ;)
I know. I've always know that fact. I have never doubted it. I guess it's going to be our full-time function in this game ...why not. The best Redemption Jedi knights need the best trainers, you know. Yes!!!
Unfortunately my players are being trained by Jar-Jar.
Tell her she is in my prayers as your whole family is, my bro --- in my prayers.
We appreciate your prayers. She is still on bedrest, and will be starting a new medication today. The previous medication did not stop the contractions. At this point, if she goes into labor, the baby will be in ICU for the next few months until its lungs develop. That is, of course, assuming that it is God's Will for the baby to survive the birth.
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Unfortunately my players are being trained by Jar-Jar.
Oh yes. I completely forgot!
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fok%2Ffurrow%2Fjarjarccg.jpg&hash=bb66c90d4b33ad1a0aadb96a7494cc9565fbe7bb)
That is, of course, assuming that it is God's Will for the baby to survive the birth.
In my fervent prayers, Tim.
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Christian and I almost planned it one weekend this December (but fly obviously). I'm sure this will happen one day and so prepare for a nice spanking!
I just received my Disney Holiday Bonus Pass, which allows me five guests. If you come this December, I can get you both in to a Disney park, water park, or DisneyQuest. I still have a guest room available here at the house.
FYI, you'll have to keep your hands to yourself while you're here. ;)
I know. I've always know that fact. I have never doubted it. I guess it's going to be our full-time function in this game ...why not. The best Redemption Jedi knights need the best trainers, you know. Yes!!!
Unfortunately my players are being trained by Jar-Jar.
Tell her she is in my prayers as your whole family is, my bro --- in my prayers.
We appreciate your prayers. She is still on bedrest, and will be starting a new medication today. The previous medication did not stop the contractions. At this point, if she goes into labor, the baby will be in ICU for the next few months until its lungs develop. That is, of course, assuming that it is God's Will for the baby to survive the birth.
Hey Tim,
It seems like most of the other Redemption players here don't quite get the point you are trying to make, but the important ones do get it! :P It does get annoying sometimes when you play against the same old deck configurations that are considered to be "the best." I want you to know that there are still players out there (And here) who are dedicated to enjoying the game simply for the fellowship, fun, and Biblical context. Jon and Andrew still make decks that are composed of cards from the related passages of scripture and I still try out different configurations and combinations of brigade colors to see the results. True, we get competitive sometimes, but we always try and have a good time and make each game a new experience. Soon we'll be saying adios once more to KoT, Philly Garrison, TFG, and Emp Nero, but they'll come back again in the future lol. I hope you're not serious about quitting because your knowledge and expertise, as well as your fun-loving attitude inspired our playgroup to grow, and we still think about the fun times we've had so far. I'd sure love to get together with you sometime just to play some non-competitive games of Redemption with some alternative deck styles. I'll have to see if I can free some time up for it and find a way to get up to you, but I honestly would like to do that sometime. I just got my order in of a complete Di set and it has inspired me to try out some interesting card combos, so maybe I'll be able to come up with something you've never seen before... We'll see though haha!!
My 8 week break from Redemption is over, and I was sure excited to come home to a District tourney, so maybe a break might do you some good. I hope you find a way to rejuvenate your love for Redemption!!
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As a tournament host, I have not seen as much of this phenomenon, mostly because a lot of the local kids play whatever decks they want to play and don't go straight for the Hot Theme of the Month, and the heavy players who show up tend to have a fair variety of strategies (though Genesis and Priests do tend to pop up a lot). But I have long welcomed other activities during a tournament (the Extravafesticon is deliberately timed to go with the Biggest Rivalry in College Football). One thing that interested me at past national tournaments were the extracurricular activities: Bryon introduced me to Bang!, and I have only seen a growth in off-hours gaming in the years since then. When I hosted in 08, I made it a point to supply as many board games as I could, and we had use of the meeting room for the entire weekend, 24 hrs a day. There can be a lot more that contributes to the atmosphere of the tournament than just the competition; by contrast, if that is your sole focus for critique, then competition is necessarily going to take up a larger part of the experience, and diminish overall fun and fellowship.
From a developer's standpoint, I am truly flummoxed. A lot of effort has gone into taking some of the bite out of the super-powered strategies that have cropped up, as well as taking lesser themes and finding ways to make them more competitive. I personally have campaigned for more power in musicians, Sadducees and Herods, in addition to playing an all-NT-women ignore deck (prior to TGT) and a NT angel deck that did not include the standard Captain/TSA/Mike combo. Obviously those last two have taken significantly different directions from how I used to play them, but to this day, musicians/sads is still my favorite deck to play.
There are things that can be done to encourage or discourage certain themes, but that's only one part of the gaming meta. There's not much to be done about people who glom on to a deck anyway, and don't get creative in their deckbuilding even when given the tools.
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I am truly flummoxed.
lolwut
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Most players don't have access to the 99% of cards the top players/RTS players have, and use what they have. I've seen some fairly good defenses that won't win at Nats, but will do fine at the local level.
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99% of the top cards are fairly easy to come by.
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All the best Doms come in starter packs (NJ is a little trickier but still not terribly difficult).
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Mayhem is the second best dom :-*
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i totally agree, doubt takes the cake at the top.
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I played Doubt for an entire year and I got maybe 3 blocks with it. (And one time I'd had to use a GoH too!)
Probably because I didn't have any enhancement support....
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if you were using doubt without backup, why not just splash in a leviathan...?
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I was using Doubt for the epics.
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back to the main point... redemption is only fun when you have the money and skills needed to get the newer cards
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what kinds of skills do you need to get the newer cards?
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You need to speak English, walk into your local GameStop, and fill in a job application. No other skills are needed, maybe not even English beings most GameStop employees don't speak English ;D.
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what kinds of skills do you need to get the newer cards?
win tourneys
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You need to speak English, walk into your local GameStop, and fill in a job application. No other skills are needed, maybe not even English beings most GameStop employees don't speak English ;D.
ouch. burn.
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Still, tins, UR's, and the better rares are hard to get when you're a poor college student. My best guys are just filling up their LS slots with LS's that have a SA.
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Redemption is unfair, unbalanced, cheap, lame, uber competitive, and requires no strategy!
We all know that and have this discussion from time to time. If you really want to quit because of that, feel free. However, you'll miss out on a lot of fun times at tournaments with a lot of great people.
If you're just tired of people being successful with the "same old same old" then create a new innovative strategy. With over 2,000 cards there are definitely combinations that haven't been thought of yet. Some of those may be super successful in the future.
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99% of the top cards are fairly easy to come by.
Agreed. Since TexP and Disciples came out, cards like DoN, GoyS and WoP have been much easier to come by. The only "top cards" that are still sort of difficult to obtain are Grapes, Mayhem and Revealer LS (I guess one could argue for FSP, but Lydia (H) is certainly a viable and cheap substitute.) And of those 3 cards, Grapes is the only one that a person could pretty much guarantee will be in the top 3 T1 decks at Nationals.
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Mayhem > Grapes
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I still don't have the right cards to build half the decks I want to. A box of TxP would be great to pull all the staple cards you want, but what happens if you only get about $20 a month disposable, and are already $40,000 in the hole?
Mayhem > Grapes
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I agree.
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Okay. So here is what you do.
You go to a food shelter and get an apple. What if they don't have apples? Tough. Fine an apple kid. Make it a good kind. Not one of those waxy, flavorless, thick skinned ones. Those won't work. Not at all. Why would you even have one of those ones? Why would anyone want one of those ones? Whoever engineered that type of apple is a sick man.
Okay, so anyway, cut the apple open and take 5 of the 6 seeds out. Do whatever you wish with the last seed: eat it, bury it, throw it at a homeless guy, just don't let it mingle with the other 5. Don't ask questions why not, just listen to me. I'm helping you out of the kindness of my heart, the least you could do is trust me.
So anyway, take those 5 seeds and plant them. If RuneScape has taught me anything, it is that it takes anywhere from 18 to 30 hours for a tree to grow. So come back the next day and you'll have enormous apple trees. Pick the apples off them and begin selling them. After a week of selling them you'll have lots and lots of money. Buy shares in major apple orchards and then preform hostile take overs. Keep doing this until you own every apple orchard, large or small. It should take about a week.
After that, DESTROY THE LAND. Make sure it isn't suitable for growing apples. This may seem weird, but again, trust me. I know what I'm doing.
Then, do that in every other civilized country. Take control of the land and then proceed to destroy it. After all the apple-suitable land of civilized countries is no longer capable of growing apples, take over the apple-suitable land of the non-civilized countries. In these countries DO NOT DESTROY THE LAND. Grow tons and tons of apples.
At this point the US government will realize "hey, this guy has a monopoly on the apple market!". It is too late though, as you'll be in a country without anti-monopoly laws. So now that you have a monopoly over the apple market, start raising prices. Charge $100 per apple and sell tons (but give me free apple juice). Within a month of beginning all this you should be at trillionaire. Then buy lots of scratch off lottery tickets and you might win something like $3000 you can use towards Redemption.
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Okay. So here is what you do.
You go to a food shelter and get an apple. What if they don't have apples? Tough. Fine an apple kid. Make it a good kind. Not one of those waxy, flavorless, thick skinned ones. Those won't work. Not at all. Why would you even have one of those ones? Why would anyone want one of those ones? Whoever engineered that type of apple is a sick man.
Okay, so anyway, cut the apple open and take 5 of the 6 seeds out. Do whatever you wish with the last seed: eat it, bury it, throw it at a homeless guy, just don't let it mingle with the other 5. Don't ask questions why not, just listen to me. I'm helping you out of the kindness of my heart, the least you could do is trust me.
So anyway, take those 5 seeds and plant them. If RuneScape has taught me anything, it is that it takes anywhere from 18 to 30 hours for a tree to grow. So come back the next day and you'll have enormous apple trees. Pick the apples off them and begin selling them. After a week of selling them you'll have lots and lots of money. Buy shares in major apple orchards and then preform hostile take overs. Keep doing this until you own every apple orchard, large or small. It should take about a week.
After that, DESTROY THE LAND. Make sure it isn't suitable for growing apples. This may seem weird, but again, trust me. I know what I'm doing.
Then, do that in every other civilized country. Take control of the land and then proceed to destroy it. After all the apple-suitable land of civilized countries is no longer capable of growing apples, take over the apple-suitable land of the non-civilized countries. In these countries DO NOT DESTROY THE LAND. Grow tons and tons of apples.
At this point the US government will realize "hey, this guy has a monopoly on the apple market!". It is too late though, as you'll be in a country without anti-monopoly laws. So now that you have a monopoly over the apple market, start raising prices. Charge $100 per apple and sell tons (but give me free apple juice). Within a month of beginning all this you should be at trillionaire. Then buy lots of scratch off lottery tickets and you might win something like $3000 you can use towards Redemption.
Or he could invest the money he would've spent on lotto tickets in Redemption cards....
Other than that, sounds like a plan. Farming is a really fun skill to train, and you make tons of money doing it.
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(I guess one could argue for FSP, but Lydia (H) is certainly a viable and cheap substitute.)
There is so much that can be read into this statement it's not even silly.
:P
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(I guess one could argue for FSP, but Lydia (H) is certainly a viable and cheap substitute.)
There is so much that can be read into this statement it's not even silly.
:P
what is FSP?
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(I guess one could argue for FSP, but Lydia (H) is certainly a viable and cheap substitute.)
There is so much that can be read into this statement it's not even silly.
:P
what is FSP?
Rarest card in the game. It's a 4/4 Green hero from Unlimited that has "Promo" written on it in a black sharpie. Prof has an autographed one.
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i will trade an xbox 360 slim for it.
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(I guess one could argue for FSP, but Lydia (H) is certainly a viable and cheap substitute.)
There is so much that can be read into this statement it's not even silly.
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what is FSP?
Real answer: Faithful Servant Promo.
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(I guess one could argue for FSP, but Lydia (H) is certainly a viable and cheap substitute.)
There is so much that can be read into this statement it's not even silly.
:P
what is FSP?
Real answer: Faithful Servant Promo.
i got it with the unlimited 4/4 promo idea but thanks anyways
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Mayhem < Grapes