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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: LordZardeck on November 28, 2011, 04:02:53 PM

Title: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: LordZardeck on November 28, 2011, 04:02:53 PM
Help Stop American Internet Censorship: http://americancensorship.org/ (http://americancensorship.org/)
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on November 28, 2011, 04:17:29 PM
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Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: YourMathTeacher on November 28, 2011, 04:42:50 PM
I support censorship.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: LordZardeck on November 28, 2011, 04:47:59 PM
I support censorship.

Government Censorship?? So when Christianity is viewed as harmful to public view, and the Government decides to censor christian sites (like Redemption) you'll be content? We already have too much government control.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on November 28, 2011, 04:56:30 PM
Actually, CGD boards could be shut down under this new bill.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: The Warrior on November 28, 2011, 05:05:38 PM
Help Stop American Internet Censorship: http://americancensorship.org/ (http://americancensorship.org/)
<a style="width:400px;height:100px;vertical-align:middle;text-align:center;background-color:#000;position:absolute;z-index:5555;top:50px;left:50px;background-image:url(http://americancensorship.org/images/stop-censorship-small.png);background-position:center center;background-repeat:no-repeat;" href="http://americancensorship.org"></a> is the code to add a cencorship shortcut to a web site, Perhaps you could add one on Redemption Connect
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: LordZardeck on November 28, 2011, 05:49:53 PM
Help Stop American Internet Censorship: http://americancensorship.org/ (http://americancensorship.org/)
<a style="width:400px;height:100px;vertical-align:middle;text-align:center;background-color:#000;position:absolute;z-index:5555;top:50px;left:50px;background-image:url(http://americancensorship.org/images/stop-censorship-small.png);background-position:center center;background-repeat:no-repeat;" href="http://americancensorship.org"></a> is the code to add a cencorship shortcut to a web site, Perhaps you could add one on Redemption Connect

Already did.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: The Warrior on November 28, 2011, 06:06:53 PM
Help Stop American Internet Censorship: http://americancensorship.org/ (http://americancensorship.org/)
<a style="width:400px;height:100px;vertical-align:middle;text-align:center;background-color:#000;position:absolute;z-index:5555;top:50px;left:50px;background-image:url(http://americancensorship.org/images/stop-censorship-small.png);background-position:center center;background-repeat:no-repeat;" href="http://americancensorship.org"></a> is the code to add a cencorship shortcut to a web site, Perhaps you could add one on Redemption Connect

Already did.
Like a boss
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Chronic Apathy on November 28, 2011, 09:52:17 PM
This is dangerously close to turning into another "should Christians force their morality on people" debate.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on November 28, 2011, 10:04:13 PM
This is dangerously close to turning into another "should Christians force their morality on people" debate.
If anything, this debate is "Corporations vs. People"
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: LordZardeck on November 28, 2011, 10:05:40 PM
This is dangerously close to turning into another "should Christians force their morality on people" debate.
If anything, this debate is "Corporations vs. People"

Don't forget Government. "Government & Corporations vs. People"
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Alex_Olijar on November 28, 2011, 10:14:01 PM
We should censor anyone who doesn't agree with me.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Chronic Apathy on November 28, 2011, 11:33:35 PM
We should censor anyone who doesn't agree with me.

Reported for being dangerously close to causing irreparable damage to our beloved community. How dare you threaten us with your talk of irresponsible censorship. You should have your tongue cut out boy.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Alex_Olijar on November 29, 2011, 12:12:05 AM
We should censor anyone who doesn't agree with me.

Reported for being dangerously close to causing irreparable damage to our beloved community. How dare you threaten us with your talk of irresponsible censorship. You should have your tongue cut out boy.

I read the first part and thought you were being an immature 15 year old, but then I read the second part. Either way, let me know how the SS does with silencing you. I need some feedback on that side of the censorship program.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Chronic Apathy on November 29, 2011, 12:25:49 AM
I'm not the one that needs silenced. It's your talk of censorship that needs silenced.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Red on November 29, 2011, 12:53:10 AM
This is why I'm a minimalist with the goverment.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Alex_Olijar on November 29, 2011, 11:24:03 AM
This is why I'm a minimalist with the goverment.

That's actually not true if you believe in no legal abortions or banning homosexual marriages.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on November 29, 2011, 11:36:51 AM
I'm a minimalist when it comes to minimalism.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: LordZardeck on November 29, 2011, 11:51:21 AM
This is why I'm a minimalist with the goverment.

That's actually not true if you believe in no legal abortions or banning homosexual marriages.

Actually Alex, that's not true. The government was supposed to uphold the law, including God's laws and commandments. So you can be an advocate for pro-life and anti-gay and still be for minimalist government since the Bible was supposed to be the root of the law in the first place. Unfortunately very little people in government recognize the Bible as the root of the law so we have to make man-made laws in order to appease them.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: stefferweffer on November 29, 2011, 11:53:20 AM
This is why I'm a minimalist with the goverment.

That's actually not true if you believe in no legal abortions or banning homosexual marriages.
Then is there no difference between a "minimalist" and an anarchist?  After all, the minimum of anything is zero.  Phrases like "minimalist" are too vague, in my opinion, because almost everyone agrees that government should do SOMETHING.  We just don't agree on what those "minimal" things are.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on November 29, 2011, 01:38:31 PM
1 - Minimalism refers to the elimination of everything unnecessary, so unless you believe everything is unnecessary, it would not equate to your idea of anarchy.

2 - Anarchy does not mean lawlessness.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: stefferweffer on November 29, 2011, 01:58:33 PM
1 - Minimalism refers to the elimination of everything unnecessary, so unless you believe everything is unnecessary, it would not equate to your idea of anarchy.

2 - Anarchy does not mean lawlessness.
Well we're arguing semantics then, which is pointless.  "Minimalism" has its origins in art and music forms, but we're now using it in political speech.  I think we are agreeing actually.  I'm just saying that where the bar is set for what constitutes "minimal government" will change with every person that you speak to, making it, in my opinion, a rather useless phrase.  It's like me saying I'm for "smaller government", but at the same time I wish that on MY pet issues the government played an even larger role than it currently does.  Instead I think we need to be more specific on what we'd like to be cut and what we'd like to see increased, otherwise we are rightly accused by Alex and others of just cherry-picking our favorite issues while we scream for "minimal" government intervention.

Regarding anarchy not equaling lawlessness, I'm not sure why you felt the need to add that, since I neither said nor implied that anarchy equals lawlessness.  I was only stating that you can minimize government to the point where it doesn't exist anymore, which I don't think anyone in this thread is advocating.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on November 29, 2011, 02:54:31 PM
I wasn't responding to the second part of your post, just the "Minimalism = Anarchy part". I understand you feel minimalism is subjective, I just don't think equating it to anarchy to represent Alex's point of view is accurate.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: stefferweffer on November 29, 2011, 03:10:15 PM
Found this kind of funny actually.  I'm not saying I fully agree with their definition, but apparently the experts don't agree with us.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy

Anarchy - definition B - "a state of lawlessness ..."
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on November 29, 2011, 03:19:25 PM
It's my understanding that anarchy is without rulers, not without rules, and often relies on the collective efforts of the people living in the society. This makes it sufficient but not necessary. In fact, when I looked up the etymology, the first result said "1530s, from Fr. anarchie or directly from M.L. anarchia, from Gk. anarkhia "lack of a leader, the state of people without a government""

It seems most of the definitions point to the same thing (no government), but the one you posted incorrectly extends too far. When arguing over specifics dictionaries aren't really the greatest of references. For example, I can find several problems with almost any definition of male, especially the one merriam webster gives. But I suppose this isn't related to the government's boundaries and should be discussed in another thread.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: stefferweffer on November 29, 2011, 03:37:17 PM
Again I agree with you.  I have never thought of anarchy that way.  I just know that Webster's was the standard when I was in school, and what all of my teachers insisted that we use.  This is the first case I can recall where I find myself disagreeing with it.  But since this is definition "B", they may be referring to the everyday use (by most people) to equate chaos with "anarchy".
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Alex_Olijar on November 29, 2011, 05:45:48 PM
This is all pretty irrelevant since every opinion except mine is going to be deleted pretty soon.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: The Warrior on November 29, 2011, 05:48:22 PM
This is all pretty irrelevant since every opinion except mine The Mods is going to be deleted pretty soon.
FTFY
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on November 29, 2011, 05:49:23 PM
Guys, this is here to raise awareness of an awful idea. Please keep all posts on that, rather than the definition of minimalism.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: The Warrior on November 29, 2011, 05:56:44 PM
Guys, this is here to raise awareness of an awful idea. Please keep all posts on that, rather than the definition of minimalism.
Agree Censoring is just a bad Idea for all involved
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Alex_Olijar on November 29, 2011, 10:58:48 PM
Guys, this is here to raise awareness of an awful idea. Please keep all posts on that, rather than the definition of minimalism.

Would you please stop censoring the censoring thread in order to promote stopping censoring? It's horribly ironic.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: YourMathTeacher on November 29, 2011, 11:27:02 PM
I support censorship.   ;)
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: appleHater on November 29, 2011, 11:41:59 PM
"I know, let's give the power to sensor the internet to the entertainment industry! They've never overreacted to the threat of copyright infringement." - The congressman that made me facepalm like few others
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on November 29, 2011, 11:52:53 PM
I support censorship.   ;)
Either YMT's snapped and started trolling, or there's some alternate definition of censorship I've missed.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: YourMathTeacher on November 30, 2011, 12:08:59 AM
I'm a parent of a teenage boy. I support censorship.  :o
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: LordZardeck on November 30, 2011, 12:34:07 AM
I'm a parent of a teenage boy. I support censorship.  :o

No offense, but censor your child yourself. Don't push that job upon the government and the rest of us.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: YourMathTeacher on November 30, 2011, 12:55:46 AM
I'm a parent of a teenage boy. I support censorship.  :o

No offense, but censor your child yourself. Don't push that job upon the government and the rest of us.

No offense taken, since that was the type of censorship I was referring to.  ;)
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: LordZardeck on November 30, 2011, 01:24:06 AM
I'm a parent of a teenage boy. I support censorship.  :o

No offense, but censor your child yourself. Don't push that job upon the government and the rest of us.

No offense taken, since that was the type of censorship I was referring to.  ;)

Ahh, well you should have been more specific. I think you scared some of us.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on November 30, 2011, 09:05:38 AM
Parents censoring questionable material from their children (which I support) is a vastly different matter than the government censoring any website that allows users to share links.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Chronic Apathy on November 30, 2011, 11:59:37 AM
The first thing to note about the topic of internet censorship is that it won't be blocking what most parents probably want it to block. Any type of pornography that's currently legal isn't going to be spontaneously blocked should this bill pass, nor will extremely controversial sites like /b/ and it's ilk. Rather, the intention right now is to block websites that allow the illegal downloading of music and videos. That's why this bill started, and that's what it will at least originally attempt to stop. This could indeed turn into a slippery slope, as it's not that far a leap from this type of censorship to more serious forms (I'm talking Big Brother type censorship). It's a long slope, but a slippery one all the same. Regardless, I do not see pornography ever becoming illegal, in spite of the hopes of parents that this bill might eventually do that.

However, I don't believe that this bill will ultimately accomplish what they want it to. Will it help? Absolutely. However, I think the likely action is that for many people who suddenly find their ability to download things blocked, they'll resort to the "deep web", which essentially consists of a group of sites with obscure and often random page names that don't get hit by search engines. Since it's impossible for the government to track every single page on the internet, this allows extremely illegal materials to exist on the internet without fear of retribution. I've also heard stories of people hiring hit men via this method. This sounds like it's fake, but this is all 100% true. The point I'm trying to make is that, when restricted from the current methods of downloading, more and more people risk exposure to unspeakable material. Censorship could very well hurt as much as help.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: appleHater on November 30, 2011, 12:53:35 PM
you will never stop piracy. ever. the only thing they can do with this bile is block domain names, you can still get to the sites by using their IP addresses. the only thing this bill will accomplish is the complete destruction of the DNS system. Have fun typing in 69.171.24.11 every time you want to check your facebook kids.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on November 30, 2011, 02:16:18 PM
you will never stop piracy. ever. the only thing they can do with this bile is block domain names, you can still get to the sites by using their IP addresses. the only thing this bill will accomplish is the complete destruction of the DNS system. Have fun typing in 69.171.24.11 every time you want to check your facebook kids.
Yep.  I use OpenDNS to block both ads and other objectionable content.  However, I won't be allowed to do so if this bill passes.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 15, 2011, 01:32:27 PM
you will never stop piracy. ever. the only thing they can do with this bile is block domain names, you can still get to the sites by using their IP addresses. the only thing this bill will accomplish is the complete destruction of the DNS system. Have fun typing in 69.171.24.11 every time you want to check your facebook kids.
Yep.  I use OpenDNS to block both ads and other objectionable content.  However, I won't be allowed to do so if this bill passes.
That is ironic.

I just called my congressman to politely say my disdain at this.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: The Warrior on January 17, 2012, 04:18:27 PM
Any Development on this?
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 17, 2012, 04:22:32 PM
Any Development on this?

It failed to pass the first time, but it's still on the table.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on January 17, 2012, 04:24:22 PM
SOPA was shelved, PIPA is still going. Wikipedia will be blacking out their site tomorrow in protest.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 17, 2012, 04:25:14 PM
Tomorrow, Wikipedia, Reddit, and Mozilla (makers of Firefox) plan to "black out" their websites in protest of SOPA.  Google also plans to link to information about SOPA on their homepage, as well as explain why they are against it.  Read more here:
http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Google+joins+Wikipedia+SOPA+blackout/6009559/story.html (http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Google+joins+Wikipedia+SOPA+blackout/6009559/story.html)
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: The Warrior on January 17, 2012, 04:36:42 PM
Dang. This is a bad Idea. It won't pass anyway. WAY too much resistance. I Mean on the Wikipedia Page (Wikipedia is going down in 9 hours or so in protest.) ALL the listed opposition are the Heart and Soul sites of the internet

Edit: Instaposted
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 17, 2012, 04:39:50 PM
Congress is made up of a bunch of old men who don't understand what this will do to the internet. Some of them are blatantly proud of that. They brought someone in to explain how this would destroy the DNS system and one senator stopped him during his presentation, made a nerd joke and that was it.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 17, 2012, 04:41:59 PM
The MPAA and RIAA are powerful lobbies with lots of connections on Capitol Hill.  I'm hoping they get shot down, as my entire career depends on this not being passed.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 17, 2012, 04:43:58 PM
The MPAA and RIAA are powerful lobbies with lots of connections on Capitol Hill.  I'm hoping they get shot down, as my entire career depends on this not being passed.

You can say that again.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: deadpool24 on January 18, 2012, 04:56:29 PM
ya guys idt we should let the government get control of the web. i mean ya they are saying they'll stop porn and other objectional things, which is good but as some of u hav already said, "where do they draw the line?" and with their track record i dont want them having any more control over my life then they already do!

God needs to be in schools and on the web, its not worth risking it being taken off!
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: deadpool24 on January 18, 2012, 05:00:13 PM
and thats something ive never even thought of.  people who are web designers and such will be at huge risk of their jobs!
what the heck are they thinking?!?!?!?! unimployment is up to 11% in some places! now they want to hurt more jobs???????  this is so stupid!
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: LordZardeck on January 18, 2012, 05:10:45 PM
This is so stupid!
= most government/poloitical thinking
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: deadpool24 on January 18, 2012, 05:21:10 PM
hahaha ;D  yeah unfortunately thats usually true. :/ 
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 11:35:38 AM
I just called my senator, and wrote her a message on her website.  I would encourage those of voting age to do the same.  Another fun bit of SOPA/PIPA is that if you listen to a copyrighted song on YouTube, you could be subject to a five year prison sentence.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: browarod on January 19, 2012, 11:52:29 AM
I was reading various sites about this yesterday, and one of them (I forget which) had a comment to this effect that I found very striking:

"If you listen to a Michael Jackson song on Youtube, you could receive 5 years in prison (more than the doctor who killed him)."

Arguable truthfulness about the whole "did the doctor kill him" thing aside, the comparison is rather worrisome.

Also, I sent messages to like everyone representing any part of Wisconsin (even if they won't be voting on this, I still sent them a message).
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 11:58:09 AM
Kinda like the fact that in some states, you need one form of ID to buy a gun, but two forms if you want to pay with a check.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: STAMP on January 19, 2012, 12:23:11 PM
I support censorship.

I support YMT.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Professoralstad on January 19, 2012, 01:15:13 PM
Kinda like the fact that in some states, you need one form of ID to buy a gun, but two forms if you want to pay with a check.

Maybe because you don't have a Constitutional right to a checking account?
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 01:36:28 PM
Kinda like the fact that in some states, you need one form of ID to buy a gun, but two forms if you want to pay with a check.

Maybe because you don't have a Constitutional right to a checking account?

Guns can be used in murder. I've never heard of anyone killed with a $50 bill. (Someone will inevitably find a story somewhere on google where someone was drowned in nickels or something, and I welcome you to post that story because it would be a hilarious read, but you get my point) Do I think that ALL guns should be extremely tightely regulated? No. I would like it to be a little harder to get anything that can't be used in practical situations, such as hunting or defending yourself, but other than that I think one form of ID and a background check is okay for shot guns and pistols. If you're buying an assualt rifle or an AK-47, I am a little worried and might want to run some more checks.

Anyway the MPAA released a statement yesterday that made them look like (more of) idiots. I'm going to put it in a spoiler tag because the title of the article does contain a synonym for butt.

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: STAMP on January 19, 2012, 01:48:49 PM
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Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Arrthoa on January 19, 2012, 01:49:28 PM
Well he did promise "hope and change" I guess this would be the change by making us more like China.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 01:51:23 PM
Well he did promise "hope and change" I guess this would be the change by making us more like China.
Funny you should blame this on Obama, who has publicly stated he'd veto the bill.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 01:52:16 PM
Well he did promise "hope and change" I guess this would be the change by making us more like China.
Obama not only has nothing to do with this bill, but has already stated he would veto this if it passed. People really need to start learning that congress has a lot more power that the president.

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If you can teach that thing how to aim and pull the trigger then I would gladly send it to war. I think we might win based on shear intimidation.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: STAMP on January 19, 2012, 01:53:42 PM
If you can teach that thing how to aim and pull the trigger then I would gladly send it to war. I think we might win based on shear intimidation.

If it were me, I would send Two Bears.

 :P
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Arrthoa on January 19, 2012, 01:54:30 PM
He saying that so people won't think he's behind it. Don't you rember what Bush 41 said "Read my lips, No new taxes." He made more taxes so don't believe everything a politician says.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 01:54:51 PM
He saying that so people won't think he's behind it. Don't you rember what Bush 41 said "Read my lips, No new taxes." He made more taxes so don't believe everything a politician says.
Just saying that he's against it cost him millions in contributions.  He's already sacrificed for this bill.

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If you can teach that thing how to aim and pull the trigger then I would gladly send it to war. I think we might win based on shear intimidation.
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Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Arrthoa on January 19, 2012, 01:56:47 PM
Well he did promise "hope and change" I guess this would be the change by making us more like China.
Obama not only has nothing to do with this bill, but has already stated he would veto this if it passed. People really need to start learning that congress has a lot more power that the president.
I know they have more power, but still you can always trust what they say
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 01:58:43 PM
so don't believe everything a politician says.
I know they have more power, but still you can always trust what they [politicians] say
Are you by any chance a politician?
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Arrthoa on January 19, 2012, 02:01:46 PM
I ment to put can't there. That was a typo. No I am not a politician and never want to be one
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 02:05:20 PM
I ment to put can't there. That was a typo. No I am not a politician and never want to be one
Incidentally, my father retired a few years ago.  He's had a lifelong interest in politics, and so when there was an opening at the county level, he decided to run, and won.  He also promised that he'd arrive here (my college) around 3PM on Sunday.  Should I not trust him?

/Making sweeping statements is fun!
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 02:06:46 PM
There is a different between a candidate for president saying "No new taxes" and then realizing the he is going to have to raise taxes once he becomes president, and a president who is in office saying he won't support a bill if it gets through congress. Every (republican at least) campaigns on no new taxes, this bill isn't a party platform issue.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Arrthoa on January 19, 2012, 02:09:45 PM
I ment to put can't there. That was a typo. No I am not a politician and never want to be one
Incidentally, my father retired a few years ago.  He's had a lifelong interest in politics, and so when there was an opening at the county level, he decided to run, and won.  He also promised that he'd arrive here (my college) around 3PM on Sunday.  Should I not trust him?

/Making sweeping statements is fun!
I said you can't always, not that you can never trust them. Those are two very different statements right there. The kind I was talking about were the washington dc politicians, not local or county ones.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Arrthoa on January 19, 2012, 02:13:31 PM
I was never saying it was a party platform issue. I was going by his record do far. For example he said that within a year of his term Gitmo would be shut down, and is it shut down no it is still open.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: LordZardeck on January 19, 2012, 02:16:03 PM
Kinda like the fact that in some states, you need one form of ID to buy a gun, but two forms if you want to pay with a check.

Maybe because you don't have a Constitutional right to a checking account?

Guns can be used in murder. I've never heard of anyone killed with a $50 bill. (Someone will inevitably find a story somewhere on google where someone was drowned in nickels or something, and I welcome you to post that story because it would be a hilarious read, but you get my point) Do I think that ALL guns should be extremely tightely regulated? No. I would like it to be a little harder to get anything that can't be used in practical situations, such as hunting or defending yourself, but other than that I think one form of ID and a background check is okay for shot guns and pistols. If you're buying an assualt rifle or an AK-47, I am a little worried and might want to run some more checks.

Anyway the MPAA released a statement yesterday that made them look like (more of) idiots. I'm going to put it in a spoiler tag because the title of the article does contain a synonym for butt.

Spoiler (hover to show)

The scary part, right here in Springfield, MO you can buy a M16A2 assault rifle in wal-mart for $300 bucks with just your standard hunting license.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 02:17:43 PM
I was never saying it was a party platform issue. I was going by his record do far. For example he said that within a year of his term Gitmo would be shut down, and is it shut down no it is still open.

He said it during his campaign, then when elected he consulted his generals and found out it was a bad idea. In this case he has already reviewed the bill. If you expect every politician to be able to keep every promise they make you do not understand politics and are slightly delusional.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 02:18:55 PM
I ment to put can't there. That was a typo. No I am not a politician and never want to be one
Incidentally, my father retired a few years ago.  He's had a lifelong interest in politics, and so when there was an opening at the county level, he decided to run, and won.  He also promised that he'd arrive here (my college) around 3PM on Sunday.  Should I not trust him?

/Making sweeping statements is fun!
I said you can't always, not that you can never trust them. Those are two very different statements right there. The kind I was talking about were the washington dc politicians, not local or county ones.
So you make a general sweeping statement, and then when presented with facts to the contrary, change your position?  Hmm, sounds like the aforementioned H.W. Bush, and many other politicians (including many now about SOPA/PIPA)

Would I be unable to trust my dad if he was a US Senator?
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Arrthoa on January 19, 2012, 03:42:03 PM
Again you are saying that I said never trust a politician. How about you actually read what I type first. Besides most local ones tend to keep their word better than the higher up ones are less trustworthy.

And I do not expect them to keep every promise they make only a idiot would, plus I didn't even vote for the moron in the first place.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Ironica on January 19, 2012, 03:59:10 PM
And I do not expect them to keep every promise they make only a idiot would, plus I didn't even vote for the moron in the first place.

Careful:

Quote from: Matthew 5:22
But I say, if you are even angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot [aka moron], you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell.

Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 04:47:42 PM
Again you are saying that I said never trust a politician. How about you actually read what I type first. Besides most local ones tend to keep their word better than the higher up ones are less trustworthy.

And I do not expect them to keep every promise they make only a idiot would, plus I didn't even vote for the moron in the first place.

Well considering you are 19 you obviously didn't vote for him. I wouldn't call him a moron, he, at least, understands the concept of separation of power and checks and balances.

Edit: HUGE blow to SOPA/PIPA just went down. Megaupload.com, the top website that was has been cited in the pro-SOPA argument, has been shut down. Why is this good? Because the backers of SOPA said keep saying the need the new legislation to go after sites like MegaUpload that aren't US companies and the US supposedly had no legal answer for. Well the DOJ just made it quite clear that they don't need SOPA/PIPA to take down these sites, they're just fine thank you.

Double Edit: L O L

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-snc7%2F398503_2790855223858_1632702117_2519342_438542103_n.jpg&hash=ad2d3958a50da8ecca483573644906a8e6631354)

Triple Edit: Anonymous is not amused. Go get em boys.  (http://gizmodo.com/5877679/anonymous-kills-department-of-justice-site-in-megaupload-revenge-strike)
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Bobbert on January 19, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.smosh.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fbloguploads%2Fsopa-meme-2.jpg&hash=2af68e7f1837b6e1872238f566df4aac048930d4)
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 06:13:38 PM
So far Anon has taken down the RIAA, MPAA, DoJ, and just added the US Copyright office. It just got real.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: LordZardeck on January 19, 2012, 06:14:36 PM
Those guys are awesome.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 06:17:04 PM
Meanwhile at Anon HQ

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.static.memegenerator.net%2Fcache%2Finstances%2F400x%2F12%2F13092%2F13406250.jpg&hash=ea84071c6a3d3abae5539dff0f67f5ae9f3fdfe3)
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: LordZardeck on January 19, 2012, 06:17:55 PM
That's epic. Where do you get all that stuff?
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 06:19:57 PM
That's epic. Where do you get all that stuff?

Meme generates.


The US government has officially opened Pandora's box, this is the largest coordinated hacking effort ever. At the moment there are a minimum of 5,600 Anons involved in the effort, 6 sites are down with more on the way.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: LordZardeck on January 19, 2012, 06:21:09 PM
Basically the government tried to close off the Internet mafia's territory and the Internet mafia is fighting to defend itself?
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 06:22:17 PM
Meanwhile at Anon HQ

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.static.memegenerator.net%2Fcache%2Finstances%2F400x%2F12%2F13092%2F13406250.jpg&hash=ea84071c6a3d3abae5539dff0f67f5ae9f3fdfe3)
Love that meme.  So many uses.

Basically the government tried to close off the Internet mafia's territory and the Internet mafia is fighting to defend itself?
Yeah.  It's quite clear the Megaupload was punitive.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 06:35:56 PM
BMI just went down as well. I also just got a report that a total of 10 sites are down. Trying to find out what the other 4 are

Edit: Whitehouse.gov is the next target
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 06:55:24 PM
But Obama's against it....
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: LordZardeck on January 19, 2012, 06:56:43 PM
BMI just went down as well. I also just got a report that a total of 10 sites are down. Trying to find out what the other 4 are

Edit: Whitehouse.gov is the next target

If I keep refreshing my page at whitehouse.gov, will that help the ddos?  ::)
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 06:58:27 PM
But Obama's against it....

it hasn't gone down so maybe they changed their mind, but they are pretty much saying screw everyone right now. 3 government agencies, 2 major record labels, the MPAA....

BMI just went down as well. I also just got a report that a total of 10 sites are down. Trying to find out what the other 4 are

Edit: Whitehouse.gov is the next target

If I keep refreshing my page at whitehouse.gov, will that help the ddos?  ::)

barely, and you may end up on the list of IPs for investigation. If you are going to participate and put your head on the chopping block like that you might as well just go full DDoS
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 07:02:16 PM
https://twitter.com/AnonDaily/statuses/160148067025289216

lol good joke
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 07:13:30 PM
I think I'll keep my neck far away.  VC's don't like investing in people with a criminal record.

https://twitter.com/AnonDaily/statuses/160148067025289216

lol good joke
...404.  Unless that was the joke.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 07:24:31 PM
They might have deleted it. It said "Good thing apple wasn't in charge of new years or instead of 2012 we would've gotten 2011S"
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Master KChief on January 19, 2012, 07:29:38 PM
It's still up, I saw it.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 07:35:18 PM
Bye bye warner music group
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 07:41:10 PM
It's still up, I saw it.
Huh, I tried again and it worked.  Guess I copied wrong the first time.

Bye bye warner music group
OH THE HUMANITY!
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 07:48:26 PM
Anonymous had restored MegaUpload's streaming video service but the server seems to have crashed.
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 07:49:17 PM
Anonymous had restored MegaUpload's streaming video service but the server seems to have crashed.
In other words....Nothing changed!
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 07:52:07 PM
Anonymous had restored MegaUpload's streaming video service but the server seems to have crashed.
In other words....Nothing changed!

It wend from being censored to broken, that's a step right?  :scratch:

Unless you're making fun of megauploads downtime issues in which case lol
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
Sorry for the double post but I feel this needs to be highlighted.


THE FBI IS DOWN! I REPEAT THE FBI IS DOWN!
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 08:11:46 PM
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgs.xkcd.com%2Fcomics%2Fcia.png&hash=804f3b1e7c7b592f5b05ead44545a03321e63576)
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: Red on January 20, 2012, 03:41:52 PM
lol FBI's site going boom...
Title: Re: STOP American Internet Censorship!
Post by: deadpool24 on January 20, 2012, 04:08:26 PM
whats this about the FBI?
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