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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: SomeKittens on May 13, 2010, 08:22:38 PM
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Yes, this is off-topic, but I couldn't find a good place to put it in the Redemption space.
There's a whole host of information on/about Redemption, why not organize it into a Wiki? There's a "RedemptionREG 2.0", but that was dead before it started.
I'd be willing to Admin, but we'd need a few old hands to input everything. I've created it here (http://redemption.wikia.com) and completed the first few steps. I'm not new to wiki's and the internet, but I'm new to Redemption. I think a database of knowledge like this would help out new players a lot.
Potential hurdles:
- No one edits. This one's up to you.
- Redemption logo/cards copyright. Everything on Wikia is licensed under Creative Commons. Unsure of how Rob feels about it, but George Lucas (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/A_New_Hope) doesn't seem to have an issue.
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This is a way cool idea. It's gonna take a long time to get up to par though.
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Agreed, I think Rob would be cool with it considering the amount of Redemption based websites.
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Redemption REG 2.0 is not dead it's the REG as in rule site not fanmade.
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Alright then, I'll upload the Redemption logo, and we're good to go!
Correction: there was a "RedemptionREG 2.0 wiki"
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If everyone took on about 25 cards it would only take each person ambey 3 hours to write the pages (if we set a form so they new what to type up) and we would only need about 100 people to step forward.
If we doubled the cards done by a person to 50 we would only need about 50 people to do it.
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Great idea. SomeKittens, post a new thread in off topic since you're kind of running this thing, and find out how many people will volunteer to do how many cards. I'll do 25 for sure.
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I'm still working on the template for a card page, which can be found here. (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Template) As soon as that's hammered into something I'm comfortable with, I'll send out the call for volunteers.
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This is way cool, I will sign up to help when you need it.
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Also, dividing the workers into brigades would work wonders as well.
Ps. I'm in to help. I'll do any amount of gold evil you need.
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I'm in Blue Brigade! In charge of the Genesis heroes, I think that we should do those first since they are the firsts ones, and you already did Son of God lol.
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I would volunteer to do some cards! This sounds pretty cool...
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I made an account! :D I've never edited a wiki before...I feel so powerful!
Okay, I know that the REG has high-quality images of every card in the game which can be linked to individually from the entry for each card, but is there some kind of database somewhere? That could make things a little smoother...
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Why is it so...Dark?
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I can do Gold Good. I make it my superficiality these days.
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I can easily handle purple and or black (sads or phillies....need someone well versed for Greeks :P)
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i could help with something! Maybe sites or doms?
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If you want to help with something, contact me (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:SomeKittens), offer some suggestions at the Card Template page (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Template), or check out the Wiki Brigades (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Wiki_Brigades), as Joe Biden suggested. (Or some crazy vice president).
(The previous comment about our current Vice President of the USA was intended in good fun.)
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i could do orange or silver. or both
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And it's so "dark" because that's the only template that had red in it.
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If you want to help with something, contact me (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:SomeKittens), offer some suggestions at the Card Template page (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Template), or check out the Wiki Brigades (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Wiki_Brigades), as Joe Biden suggested. (Or some crazy vice president).
(The previous comment about our current Vice President of the USA was intended in good fun.)
Karazy not just crazy. Karazy is a level ABOVE crazy.
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I would be happy to help with wherever I'm needed. This seems like a great idea!
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To speed up the process, I think we should first focus on just getting the basic card information and all of the category links working, THEN go back and add in strategies, describe changes to how the cards may work with errata's/play as's, etc.
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Right now I'd be happy with a functioning cardbox.
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Alright, after much frustration, it's (kinda) up! Feel free to start adding cards, but don't put any information in there until I figure out the infobox thingy.
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Can haz link?
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redemption.wikia.com (http://redemption.wikia.com)
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I am signing up for the Blue Brigade position if I am allowed to. I will need access to pictures of the cards unless I can find out how my scanner works, but I have already started writing the card templates, but will not submit them until the word is given to.
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I'll be more than glad to help out,I just created an account,just let me know what I can do.
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Alright, I made an account and will get started on the purple brigade. So... let me know if I do anything wrong, I'll start with King's Daughter as a first practice card.
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Alright, after much frustration, it's (kinda) up! Feel free to start adding cards, but don't put any information in there until I figure out the infobox thingy.
So just to clarify, you don't want us doing anything other than making pages and putting up the pictures, right?
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Alright... where do you get pictures off of the REG? Would that be the best place to get pictures?
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Alright... where do you get pictures off of the REG? Would that be the best place to get pictures?
Definitely the easiest way. For each card in the REG, there is a link where it says what set the card is from. That link is a link to the pic.
If you can decode the language of the URL, though, you might have an easier time than if you searched and copied and pasted for each card...
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Okay so I try to take an image from my computer and upload it... I browse and select it... but when I hit upload nothing happens. Any suggestions?
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Okay so I try to take an image from my computer and upload it... I browse and select it... but when I hit upload nothing happens. Any suggestions?
Um...try harder? :dunno:
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XD wow. Question, should we just scan in the Non- S.a. Cards? I know it seems ridiculous, but for goofs like me who's strats involve no s.a. cards, its very valuable.
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XD wow. Question, should we just scan in the Non- S.a. Cards? I know it seems ridiculous, but for goofs like me who's strats involve no s.a. cards, its very valuable.
I've always found it a little annoying that there are no non-SA cards in the REG. The fact that there is very little to say about them should only mean that it won't take long to type up entries for them.
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Hm... well I'm in charge of purple brigade but... for some reason it still won't let me post pictures. Anyone want to follow all the purple cards I put and just add the pictures? That'd be a huge help.
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Hm... well I'm in charge of purple brigade but... for some reason it still won't let me post pictures. Anyone want to follow all the purple cards I put and just add the pictures? That'd be a huge help.
I tried to, but...I'm super confused...
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How so?
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How so?
Well, I thought that I edited it, but I really don't think I did anything. And I was confused while doing it as well, since there was no special place to put a picture or anything. :dunno: I'm nothing near a wiki expert, so I might not be the best person to edit this website...Lol.
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Yeah neither am I... and if only the experts did it it would take forever to get done. ;)
Try it again and look at the top bar that has the fonts and stuff. There should be an option to "add picture."
EDIT: It decided to work for me now! Yippee!
So how do you post links? Like, when I'm writing Etheopian Treasurer's description, I'd like to say "He can play Authority of Christ before battle," But I'd want the words "Authority of Christ" to be a link to the Authority of Christ page. How would I do that. ;D
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...And now it won't let me upload again. *sigh* I guess I'll just keep on trying...
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How do you even start a page at all? :P
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How do you even start a page at all? :P
That is what I am trying to figure out so I can start evil gold.
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How do you even start a page at all? :P
To the left of the page (like when you first click on the link he provides), there's an option that says "create a new article." It's right under "community."
Also I figured out my picture problem. You can't use the template thing and click "modify." You have to click the button up at the top that says "add a picture." :scratch:
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Weird and thanks!
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Alright, so to keep this organized, let's come up with an order for categories. For characters, how about this?
Human/angel/demon (Human, Angel, Demon)
Hero/Evil Character (Hero, Evil Character)
Brigade (____ brigade)
Testament (Old Testament, New Testament
Uniqueness (Unique, Generic)
Special Ability/No Special Ability (Special Ability, No Special Ability)
Set (State the Set)
Rarity (Common, Uncommon, Rare, Ultra Rare, Promotional Card)
So depending on what your character is, you write the corresponding answer in the parenthesis. Does this sound good to everyone?
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Weird and thanks!
Fixed. Wasn't quite the problem, but I figured it out now. Read my post again.
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Okay, I think I know most of what I need to know now. I just need to know what cards to do...
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Okay, I think I know most of what I need to know now. I just need to know what cards to do...
PM SomeKittens and ask for a brigade. He'll assign you to something.
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Alright, so to keep this organized, let's come up with an order for categories. For characters, how about this?
Human/angel/demon (Human, Angel, Demon)
Hero/Evil Character (Hero, Evil Character)
Brigade (____ brigade)
Testament (Old Testament, New Testament
Uniqueness (Unique, Generic)
Special Ability/No Special Ability (Special Ability, No Special Ability)
Set (State the Set)
Rarity (Common, Uncommon, Rare, Ultra Rare, Promotional Card)
So depending on what your character is, you write the corresponding answer in the parenthesis. Does this sound good to everyone?
Verse/Reference should be at the bottom since some ask for words in the verse and references.
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I'm interested in helping out. should i add categorys to cards that are alreay on there?
oh and i think you should have gender as a category(male/female/genderless)
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So, right now we're just filling out the categories and putting in a picture for every card, right?
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This has my blessing. You fans are FANtastic. Thanks for starting this Randall. Once it gets farther along we can link to it from the official redemption site.
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For categories, put whatever's in the REG for now, as well as rarity and what expansion it comes from.
I'm receiving tons of offers for help, you guys are incredible. Here's what you can do: If you're new to wikis, find a brigade under the wiki brigades page, and add pictures and categories. If you've got any experience with wikis at all, PM me and help me design a infobox for cards.
Might I add that, FANtastic as we fans are, we would never be here without you Rob. Thanks for making such an amazing game, and I'm glad to contribute however possible.
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Rarity (Common, Uncommon, Rare, Ultra Rare, Promotional Card,Errors)
Fixed
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This Seems cool... so you just add pictures and explanations an other text?
My guess is it wont be hard to learn. Could i try something? i don't what I would do, but someone could suggest
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Infobox is UP! Kinda hashed together, but should work. Just copy/past the following into the top of your card's page, and fill in the relevant info.
{{infobox
|Box title = Card Name
|image = Image:TemplateUR.jpg
|imagewidth = 241
|Row 1 title = Type
|Row 1 info =
|Row 2 title = Brigade
|Row 2 info =
|Row 3 title = Attack/Defense
|Row 3 info =
|Row 4 title = Ability
|Row 4 info =
|Row 5 title = Identifiers
|Row 5 info =
|Row 6 title = Verse
|Row 6 info =
|Row 7 title = Illustration by
|Row 7 info =
|Row 8 title = Rarity
|Row 8 info =
|Row 9 title = Found in
|Row 9 info =
}}
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Very cool. Good work, SomeKittens.
A couple of formatting thoughts:
- You need a spot for "warrior/weapon class" (unless this just goes under "identifiers")
- Since it is a wiki, it would be cool to do the "links everywhere" thing that wikipedia does. This would make category pages useful (ie, a keyword in a special ability would link to a page that shows all angels, all Genesis, all ignore cards, all Philistines, etc.)
- If a card has variations, do we make a new page, or do we list all variations on the same page?
- Should we add errata/play-as entries?
As far as helping, I can do the neutral stuff (sites, souls, artifacts).
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- If a card has variations, do we make a new page, or do we list all variations on the same page?
I would do them all on the same page, like the REG.
- Should we add errata/play-as entries?
That would seem to make sense.
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Very cool. Good work, SomeKittens.
A couple of formatting thoughts:
- You need a spot for "warrior/weapon class" (unless this just goes under "identifiers")
- Since it is a wiki, it would be cool to do the "links everywhere" thing that wikipedia does. This would make category pages useful (ie, a keyword in a special ability would link to a page that shows all angels, all Genesis, all ignore cards, all Philistines, etc.)another thing over the REG is that we can also do SA's (FBTN,CTB,Pre-block Enhance, etc.)
- If a card has variations, do we make a new page, or do we list all variations on the same page?same page
- Should we add errata/play-as entries?why not just put them on the card's page?
As far as helping, I can do the neutral stuff (sites, souls, artifacts).
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- Should we add errata/play-as entries?why not just put them on the card's page?
That's what I meant. I just wanted to see how he thinks they should be implemented.
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Warrior/Weapon class goes under identifiers.
links everywhere? Absolutely.
Same page, different photo, explain on page under appropriate heading.
errata/play-as, add on page, under heading.
Come to think of it, we should have pages on errata and play-as. Remember, this isn't only a catalog. I'd like to see explanations behind game terms, history, etc.
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Ummm.... what should we put for rarity for the FF and RoA cards? And mine aren't going to have a pic yet, I will work on that later.
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Ummm.... what should we put for rarity for the FF and RoA cards? And mine aren't going to have a pic yet, I will work on that later.
Chris Bany's spreadsheet has their "rarity" listed as the tin they are from. I.E., Men of Judah has a rarity of I, for tin I. I think that would make sense. Or it could just be "tin".
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I can handle Brown, Grey, and/or Orange.
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Is there some way to make the wiki provide a template when you go to make a new card, or do we just copypasta every time?
*EDIT 2*
nevermind the above, I found the cardbox template. I'm new to wiki editing. :D
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Ok, I had put the tin in the Found in section, I will change it, thanks!
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I'll take Red
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Can i take artifacts after i signup?
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What is the rarity for TEXP cards?
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What is the rarity for TEXP cards?
I Assume the only cards that would Have a Rarity would be Mayhem & Grapes?
I keep trying to upload a pic but it doesn't show up.
Edit: oh! Save the page then u add it
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I think you have to upload the images to the wiki first, THEN link to the images.
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For simplicities sake, when you make a category for the reference on the card, make it like "Luke Reference" rather than specifying the EXACT reference... because all that will accomplish is 100000 categories with one card on each one.
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I guess u could that but this way also works.
Create Article
Add Text
Save Article
Copy Image From REG
Press Add Image
Upload From Computer
= during Edit Mode
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Could Someone like Gabe or RR or Prof U do the Non-card stuff? (Commonly Misplayed Rules, Skilled/Expert Players, Tourney Levels,Game Types(T1,T2,Teams Etc.) Etc.)
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RR is working on evil gold.
Since I've started with two cards.... I'll handle Grey brigade.
Also, we should first focus on copying everything that is in the REG, (card descriptions and rules) into here first, and then go and add more such as common deck styles, combos, gameplay tips, specific tips on each card page, etc. But, I would like to see the basic information and page links set up first.
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Sorry for the double post...
To get things going even faster, pre-plan what cards you will work on. Try the following to help organize yourself:
1) Open Notepad and copy the following text into it, and save that file (name doesnt matter, just save it so you have the template on hand)
{{infobox
|Box title =
|image = Image:TemplateUR.jpg
|imagewidth = 241
|Row 1 title = Type
|Row 1 info =
|Row 2 title = Brigade
|Row 2 info =
|Row 3 title = Attack/Defense
|Row 3 info =
|Row 4 title = Ability
|Row 4 info =
|Row 5 title = Identifiers
|Row 5 info =
|Row 6 title = Verse
|Row 6 info =
|Row 7 title = Illustration by
|Row 7 info =
|Row 8 title = Rarity
|Row 8 info =
|Row 9 title = Found in
|Row 9 info =
}}
[[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]]
2) Depending on how many cards you plan on working on, make a few copies of this template in your notepad document. Fill in all the information you need, and type in any categories you want for the card. Example: [[Category:Good Character]]
3) Go into the REG, download all the image files you need for the cards into a folder on your desktop, and upload them.
4) Make a new page, switch to source mode, and copy the first half of the card information into the area and update the image link to the respective image. Next, go to the Categories part, switch to code view, and simply paste the whole list of categories into the area. Click on visual view and all the categories will be added.
Planning ahead and working on several cards at a time should speed this up signifigantly.
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Sorry for the double post...
To get things going even faster, pre-plan what cards you will work on. Try the following to help organize yourself:
1) Open Notepad and copy the following text into it, and save that file (name doesnt matter, just save it so you have the template on hand)
{{infobox
|Box title =
|image = Image:TemplateUR.jpg
|imagewidth = 241
|Row 1 title = Type
|Row 1 info =
|Row 2 title = Brigade
|Row 2 info =
|Row 3 title = Attack/Defense
|Row 3 info =
|Row 4 title = Ability
|Row 4 info =
|Row 5 title = Identifiers
|Row 5 info =
|Row 6 title = Verse
|Row 6 info =
|Row 7 title = Illustration by
|Row 7 info =
|Row 8 title = Rarity
|Row 8 info =
|Row 9 title = Found in
|Row 9 info =
}}
[[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]] [[Category:]]
2) Depending on how many cards you plan on working on, make a few copies of this template in your notepad document. Fill in all the information you need, and type in any categories you want for the card. Example: [[Category:Good Character]]
3) Go into the REG, download all the image files you need for the cards into a folder on your desktop, and upload them.
4) Make a new page, switch to source mode, and copy the first half of the card information into the area and update the image link to the respective image. Next, go to the Categories part, switch to code view, and simply paste the whole list of categories into the area. Click on visual view and all the categories will be added.
Planning ahead and working on several cards at a time should speed this up signifigantly.
Wait...What...Why... What the Cheese gun is this for
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Hey guys, if you can't find some information for a card, such as if they are not in the REG due to having no special ability, please put an INCOMPLETE category on it, and it will show up here: http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Category:INCOMPLETE (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Category:INCOMPLETE)
If anyone has the information that is missing, please go in and fill it in.
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Rarity: Tin works great.
Lamborghini_diablo, very helpful post.
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To help keep all categories organized, try and use the following list:
Card type: (Hero, Evil Character, Good Enhancement, Evil Enhancement, Dominant, Artifact, Covenant, Curse, Fortress, Site, Lost Soul)
Brigade: (Red Brigade, Blue Brigade, Silver Brigade, Gold Brigade, Teal Brigade, Purple Brigade, Green Brigade, Brown Brigade, Pale Green Brigade, Evil Gold Brigade, Orange Brigade, Crimson Brigade, Black Brigade, Grey Brigade, Good Multicolor, Evil Multicolor) use the last two for doms and forts as well. Arts can be listed as None.
Type of character: (Human, Demon, Beast, Angel)
Testament: (Old Testament, New Testament)
Reference: (not going to list them all, but use like, "Luke Reference" instead of "Luke 1:1 Reference")
Set it was released in: (Unlimited, Prophets, Women, Warriors, Apostles, Patriarchs, Kings, Angel Wars, Priests, Faith of Our Fathers, Thesaurus ex Preteritus, Rock of Ages, Promotional Cards)
Warrior/Weapon Class or Territory Class if Appropriate.
Male, Female, or Genderless on characters.
Rarity (or tin it came in)
Unique or Generic.
And finally, list every other identifier listed in the REG for that card.
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I am currently working on a single page with EVERY category we will need. When it is finished, I will post it here for you all to use as a reference. I'm primarly doing this because if you so much as forget to use a capital letter, it will treat it as a new category. So, this is to simplify the entire process.
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Seems like the category should be "Roman."
Some of them are inconsistent. You have "Rome," but then "Babylonian." Also you have a category of "Chief Priests." Shouldn't it just be chief priest?
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These terms are taken from the REG. Don't shoot the messenger.
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I like BubbleBoy's profile.
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Ok, the list of categories is finished!
http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Master_List_of_Categories (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Master_List_of_Categories)
If I forgot any, please just let me know and I will add them. Please refrain from editing this list, as I would like to keep it as small and concise as possible.
When you all make card pages, please use the categories in this list. Unless you are using a random identifier that only like, two cards use that I happened to forget, all categories in your card pages should show up orange instead of red.
Please note the use of capitals in the categories, as forgetting them will result in a broken link.
I hope this list makes the process much easier for everyone. :) I will leave it up even when the Wiki is finished, as it is nice to see every identifier in one place.
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It shall be make it easier, now if it was just in "type" order ;)
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Can i take artifacts after i signup?
Actually, after remembering how many no-SA souls and sites there are, I'll just do souls & sites. Artifacts are yours.
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Alright so... do we use the template or do we copy and paste that list thing from this thread? I'm confused now....
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That list thing is the template. Its just an easier way to add the text in, since you dont have to hunt for the little text boxes.
Also, ignore the part about the categories now. Add them the easy way now, as the system recognizes them all and gives you a dropdown list as you type.
*EDIT*
Also, Please avoid giving cards a "Special Ability" category. Only do this for No Special Ability, so we have a list to use for Windows of Narrow Light. It will be assumed that anything not on the No SA list has a special ability.
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Okay. So we SHOULD copy and paste that? Just to be clear?
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Yes, when you make a new card, switch to "View Source" mode (rightmost button above the text area), then paste the following to create a cardbox:
{{infobox
|Box title =
|image = Image:TemplateUR.jpg
|imagewidth = 241
|Row 1 title = Type
|Row 1 info =
|Row 2 title = Brigade
|Row 2 info =
|Row 3 title = Attack/Defense
|Row 3 info =
|Row 4 title = Ability
|Row 4 info =
|Row 5 title = Identifiers
|Row 5 info =
|Row 6 title = Verse
|Row 6 info =
|Row 7 title = Illustration by
|Row 7 info =
|Row 8 title = Rarity
|Row 8 info =
|Row 9 title = Found in
|Row 9 info =
}}
Leave the titles alone, and fill in the blank sections with the appropriate info, and try to type out the entire scripture passage if you can. Any other text you wish to add can go right underneith that textbox information.
Also, What I have been doing regarding Erratas and Play-As's is this: I put the ORIGINAL ability in the card box, then write the change right below. See this for an example: http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Elymas_%28Bar-Jesus%29_the_Sorcerer (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Elymas_%28Bar-Jesus%29_the_Sorcerer)
Also, When a card has multiple prints, make a card box for each one. See this for an example: http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Ahithophel (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Ahithophel)
Adding on to this, when a card has been reprinted in different brigades, keep them in the SAME page, but give each its own card box, and combine the respective identifiers in the categories. So for example, a card may be listed as both Orange and Yellow in the categories to show both versions. Do this for dual color cards as well.
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Finally, as I said before, If you cannot complete the card yourself, just slap an INCOMPLETE category on it.
*edit 2*
Also, for the time being... we should focus on simply getting all of the cards and their respective categories into the Wiki before we discuss the card abilities and how to use them.
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Two thoughts:
- If a card has no brigade or stats (ie, a lost soul), how about we simply remove those rows?
- For play-as, you could put it in a row just below the ability, or make it the very last row. If it's not needed, it can just be deleted. (If you put it below the infobox, it ends up in the main article.)
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Hmm, A section below the normal ability could work. Let me make an updated version of the infobox template to use for these cases.
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Template for non-ls with errata/play as:
{{infobox
|Box title =
|image = Image:TemplateUR.jpg
|imagewidth = 241
|Row 1 title = Type
|Row 1 info =
|Row 2 title = Brigade
|Row 2 info =
|Row 3 title = Attack/Defense
|Row 3 info =
|Row 4 title = Ability
|Row 4 info =
|Row 5 title = Errata/Play As
|Row 5 info =
|Row 6 title = Identifiers
|Row 6 info =
|Row 7 title = Verse
|Row 7 info =
|Row 8 title = Illustration by
|Row 8 info =
|Row 9 title = Rarity
|Row 9 info =
|Row 10 title = Found in
|Row 10 info =
}}
Template for LS:
{{infobox
|Box title =
|image = Image:TemplateUR.jpg
|imagewidth = 241
|Row 1 title = Type
|Row 1 info =
|Row 2 title = Ability
|Row 2 info =
|Row 3 title = Identifiers
|Row 3 info =
|Row 4 title = Verse
|Row 4 info =
|Row 5 title = Illustration by
|Row 5 info =
|Row 6 title = Rarity
|Row 6 info =
|Row 7 title = Found in
|Row 7 info =
}}
Template for LS with play as/errata:
{{infobox
|Box title =
|image = Image:TemplateUR.jpg
|imagewidth = 241
|Row 1 title = Type
|Row 1 info =
|Row 2 title = Ability
|Row 2 info =
|Row 3 title = Errata/Play As
|Row 3 info =
|Row 4 title = Identifiers
|Row 4 info =
|Row 5 title = Verse
|Row 5 info =
|Row 6 title = Illustration by
|Row 6 info =
|Row 7 title = Rarity
|Row 7 info =
|Row 8 title = Found in
|Row 8 info =
}}
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Awesome.
I'm glad you're everything uniform from the beginning. :)
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I like BubbleBoy's profile.
Wow, whose bright idea was it to make personal information editable by the public? :P
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Type of character: (Human, Demon, Beast, Angel)
don't forget "Animal"
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I don't really like calling Redemption an "alternative" to MTG.
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I don't really like calling Redemption an "alternative" to MTG.
??? That's a large part of what it was made for...
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oh and for the references what about cards like Ahithophel that band to evil characters with reference from II Samuel 14-17? if you just have II samuel as the reference on a card how will you know? I think we shoud do reference like "luke reference" but then have the exact scripture as a category too(also for cards like david so you know if his name is in the scripture or not)
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I don't really like calling Redemption an "alternative" to MTG.
??? That's a large part of what it was made for...
Why does everything Christian have to be an alternative to secular stuff? Why can't it be an ORIGINAL ccg, because Redemption is. Its not a Christian rip-off of MTG.
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IMO just because something is an alternative to something else doesn't necessarily make it a "rip off" though i think it has many similarities to MTG.
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An alternative and a new version of the same thing (or "rip-off") are COMPLETELY different things. Going to the gym is an alternative to watching a movie. Does that mean going to the gym is a rip-off of watching a movie?
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oh and for the references what about cards like Ahithophel that band to evil characters with reference from II Samuel 14-17? if you just have II samuel as the reference on a card how will you know? I think we shoud do reference like "luke reference" but then have the exact scripture as a category too(also for cards like david so you know if his name is in the scripture or not)
I say no, because we dont need to have 1000000 categories for every scripture reference. If anything, do it only for the cards that specify it, but I see no reason to do it for every card.
Also, another way around this is to simply talk about it on the card page, and link to the cards you can use with it. We can also do this with cards like High Places.
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http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Ahithophel (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Ahithophel) <-- Using your own example. ;)
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Lambo or someone else in charge of a good portion of stuff, could you please search "King Joash?" Let me know if that's how I should be doing cards. Thanks.
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Can we please get this stickied?
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You arent quite doing it right. Go to View Source and copy it in. I'll edit King Joash and Esther for you to show you how its done.
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You arent quite doing it right. Go to View Source and copy it in. I'll edit King Joash and Esther for you to show you how its done.
Okay yeah I totally get it now. Thanks man!
There's still one thing I don't get: How do I post the picture? I think I've got everything else down.
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{{infobox
|Box title =
|image = Image:TemplateUR.jpg <-- Post the URL right here.
|imagewidth = 241
|Row 1 title = Type
....
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Also, when you copy and paste right from the REG, paste it into something like Notepad first to kill all of the obnoxious hyperlinks that go back to the REG.
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Dont put a "character" category, just use Hero for these guys.
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Well my question is what IS The URL? But I figured it out. I'm not exactly computer savvy, haha.
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http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/File:King_Joash_(Pi).gif (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/File:King_Joash_(Pi).gif) <-- theres the image page, all you need is to post the last part, so you use...
King_Joash_(Pi).gif
So, the finished result looks like this:
|image = Image:King_Joash_(Pi).gif
*Edit*
Also, please try to type out the full scripture on the card, not just the reference at the end. It'll make it easier when cards specify specific things in the scripture.
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LN, one more thing I've noticed.
For the reference, please make it "Acts Reference" rather than just "Acts" Check the master list of categories to see which ones you should use.
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LN, one more thing I've noticed.
For the reference, please make it "Acts Reference" rather than just "Acts" Check the master list of categories to see which ones you should use.
Right, I realized that and fixed the card I did that to (I think). haha I'm still going back and fixing my old pages.
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Yeah, it takes a little bit to get used to the system, but once you've done a few it gets easier.
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Additional note:
When you add a description to the card page, put it below the card box section, rather than above. This keep the card box at the top, and the description goes to the left of it.
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Just finished Catalyst, a "campus days" sort of thing for Masters's Commission, which is why I haven't been as available as I'd like to be. Did introduce several people to Redemption.
Lambo's now an Admin. We're not going to do an individual scripture category, that wouldn't work how you want it to. What you can do is link all applicable cards in the "Card Links" section, as Lambo said.
To all the people who are new to Wikis, good job persevering. Your assistance here is crucial.
As to the history page, I'd like to have one originally written, not just (lovingly) ripped off of Cactus' site. That's low priority though.
I've created a template for pages that don't conform to our standards. Simply add {{code}} to the top of a page.
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What do you mean by "Pages that don't conform to our standards?"
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This is a way cool idea. It's gonna take a long time to get up to par though.
+1 Nice Idea!
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Where someone slapped together something, and didn't check card template. Note that this is different than INCOMPLETE, where the person added themselves, knowingly missing info they didn't have.
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This is a way cool idea. It's gonna take a long time to get up to par though.
+1 Nice Idea!
It shouldn't take too long once people get the hang of the formatting. I'd guess we could have the majority of this done before the end of the summer if we constantly work on it.
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We already have like 100 stubs, don't we? I'll bet we could get the skeleton done by the end of next month. I would help if I had ANY clue what I was doing...
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69 total articles, at last count.
Considering how the standard card article is one step above stub, that's pretty good.
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I can't regster.
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That is an issue. What happens when you try?
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That is an issue. What happens when you try?
It won't let a 12yro to regster iguess plus i think the color doesn't do well for a 12yr+ computer. maybe switch the color and design a little?
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For now we can only go with the templates, and this is only one with red in it, the color of Redemption.
How the heck are you working on a 12yo computer?
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For now we can only go with the templates, and this is only one with red in it, the color of Redemption.
How the heck are you working on a 12yo computer?
Long story. I think Noah's ark had this computer as a mainframe.(LOL)
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Yeah, you really can't expect the template to be changed to accommodate your computer. Until I found out you had one, I'd have said less than zero percent of people use a computer made in the 90's.
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Yeah, you really can't expect the template to be changed to accommodate your computer. Until I found out you had one, I'd have said less than zero percent of people use a computer made in the 90's.
Well it's wierd how that template doesn't work to well but the blue one the starwars wiki uses is just fine.
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I don't know if this counts, but my family's still using a Dell that was delivered December 27, 1999. 500Mhz Pentium, go go go!
Of course I hacked it to oblivion, now it's got massive HDD space, 108Mbs wireless and is hooked up to our TV.
EDIT: back on topic, I don't know if I can change the overall template. I'll keep searching.
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... 12yr+ computer.
:rollin: Is it like a Windows 95 or something?
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I just went through all the cards, adding "Nonconformist" (emo) tags, or "INCOMPLETE". Here's what they mean:
Nonconformist: The card page doesn't have a proper infobox (the current standard)
INCOMPLETE: Proper infobox, but missing some information inside, most of the time, it's a card image.
If you're looking for something to do, add more cards. We've got 1,800 to go. Make sure to tag your card INCOMPLETE if you're missing info. You shouldn't have to tag it Nonconformist, because that means you're lazy.
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So I have a solid percentage of total cards done! Yeah boi! ::)
Anyways, I'm not putting the entire scriptures, just the reference. So should I put all my cards as "INCOMPLETE?"
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I don't understand the whole infobox thing...
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I'm going to make a very detailed post on the process of making a new card page, so no worries BB. I'll post it in its own thread to keep it from being buried by posts.
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I'm going to make a very detailed post on the process of making a new card page, so no worries BB. I'll post it in its own thread to keep it from being buried by posts.
That would be very nice, as well as all the templates for the different types of cards we're gonna make? That'd be AMAZING!
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So I have a solid percentage of total cards done! Yeah boi! ::)
Anyways, I'm not putting the entire scriptures, just the reference. So should I put all my cards as "INCOMPLETE?"
No, you should put the scripture in.
Lambo, make a page on the wiki with those in it as well.
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Will do.
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Hey, sorry Lambo, I didn't see any category labeled "Related to demons" or anything like that, didn't know if you put that or not. Just checking. Otherwise, I really appreciate all of the stuff that you have done so far. And you also have a category labeled, Duteronomy Reference. Didn't know if you could delete that, but otherwise the list looks good.
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http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Connected_with_Demons (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Connected_with_Demons)
Fixed the Duteronomy mistake.
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Okay, just to see how bad I am, I attempted to make a stub for a random card (Wool Fleece). I fail. Not sure why the picture didn't work...
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The images must be uploaded to the wiki. I'm explaining all of this in the guide I am writing.
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I did a test on yoke of iron and i think i got the hang of how to do it. since i already started with black brigade i'd like to work on that is anyone else already doing it? if so what can i help with?
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Yep, you got the concept down... so start hammering out some card pages, we have looooots to do. :D
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is there somethin up with the wiki site? i can't seem to log on it says "not a valid wikia" is anyone else having this problem?
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nevermind it seems to be working now maybe something was up with my internet connection...
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I edited ET's page.
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So I have a solid percentage of total cards done! Yeah boi! ::)
Anyways, I'm not putting the entire scriptures, just the reference. So should I put all my cards as "INCOMPLETE?"
No, you should put the scripture in.
Lambo, make a page on the wiki with those in it as well.
That pretty much doubles the time that the process takes. I think I'm going to make all my cards, then go back and put the scriptures. That's one of the LAST things we need right now imo, so I'd like to get some cards up first.
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Another option for the verses is... we can have one or two people who are assigned to add the scriptures to finished pages.
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Hey everyone,
The RedemptionLive! database has almost all of this information in it already. It might be easier if someone who was computer saavy simply created all of the initial pages for each card automatically from the data in the database. This would save everyone from having to do it manually and would likely result in a more consistent and accurate view of the data, identifiers, etc.
Just thought I'd offer since it might save people a lot of time.
Mike
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Im not sure how we would go about transfering all that data other than manually typing it in. Any ideas?
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Im not sure how we would go about transfering all that data other than manually typing it in. Any ideas?
None. ;D
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I edited ET's page.
Now he'll probably order an alien invasion
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RedemptionLive! also requires Silverlight, which I refuse to install on my PC. Flagrant security issues for one.
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RedemptionLive! also requires Silverlight, which I refuse to install on my PC. Flagrant security issues for one.
I wasn't suggesting that you load RedemptionLive!, just that the database contains all of this information for all of the cards. If there was a technique for loading the wiki pages automatically, I could write out the data from the RedemptionLive! database into some format (like text files) needed to import to the wiki. That way the loading of 2711 (if you include variants) wiki pages might be a little easier.
And on the completely different topic you brought up, what flagrant security issues are you referring to with regard to Silverlight? I am not aware of any (MANY golobal and commercial web sites are using it). I've been programming with it for a while and it is a very impressive tool for web developers to use. It is no more a security issue than anything else on the web.
Mike
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RedemptionLive! also requires Silverlight, which I refuse to install on my PC. Flagrant security issues for one.
I wasn't suggesting that you load RedemptionLive!, just that the database contains all of this information for all of the cards. If there was a technique for loading the wiki pages automatically, I could write out the data from the RedemptionLive! database into some format (like text files) needed to import to the wiki. That way the loading of 2711 (if you include variants) wiki pages might be a little easier.
And on the completely different topic you brought up, what flagrant security issues are you referring to with regard to Silverlight? I am not aware of any (MANY golobal and commercial web sites are using it). I've been programming with it for a while and it is a very impressive tool for web developers to use. It is no more a security issue than anything else on the web.
Mike
RDLive Link plz?
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lmgtfy.com/redemption live (http://lmgtfy.com/redemption_live)
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RDLive Link plz?
The preview version from last year's Nationals can be found here:
http://www.redemptionlive.com (http://www.redemptionlive.com) Use login:guest password:guest and check out Card Explorer and My Live! Collection->Online Decks
There's a newer version that is available as a private beta for now. It'll be available as a public beta in a month or two. It contains a complete Redemption card database that is used for you to build decks, track your collection, and play online Redemption games. A screen shot of the detail window for a Redmption card looks like this:
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fredemptionlive.com%2Fscreenshots%2Fjeremiah.png&hash=24317061952c1ce978918cb77166fad47dfee4e2)
Mike
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It contains a complete Redemption card database that is used for you to build decks, track your collection, and play online Redemption games. A screen shot of the detail window for a Redmption card looks like this:
I think we just got our butts kicked. I might just install Silverlight to see this.
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This wikia is still an amazing idea. Anyways, can someone fix my Prince Jonathan page? Really not sure what I'm doing wrong there....
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Why doesn't anyone tell me these things?
FWIW, and it's not like I have anything better programmed (yet?) but I'm not convinced having the program dump 230+MB of data onto the client machine is the most efficient method.
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Why doesn't anyone tell me these things?
FWIW, and it's not like I have anything better programmed (yet?) but I'm not convinced having the program dump 230+MB of data onto the client machine is the most efficient method.
Were you referring to RedemptionLive! ? If so, the download to the client machine is a one-time download. From that point onward, the software only loads changed card information to the user's machine. It caches the information locally for the sake of performance (and possibly so that the software can function even when disconnected from the web).
Mike
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Considering there are many better (and standards compliant) ways.
Sorry, Schaef, I'll inform you of any ideas I have from now on.
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Were you referring to RedemptionLive! ? If so, the download to the client machine is a one-time download. From that point onward, the software only loads changed card information to the user's machine. It caches the information locally for the sake of performance (and possibly so that the software can function even when disconnected from the web).
Yes, but an "online" program that stores all the data locally and even works offline, might as well just be a desktop distro; there doesn't seem much point in having it in-browser.
Especially now that they're making desktop apps that work in The Cloud (tm). I don't know what would be Silverlight's version of Adobe Air, but it seems a local desktop install that could grab updates remotely would do the trick.
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Were you referring to RedemptionLive! ? If so, the download to the client machine is a one-time download. From that point onward, the software only loads changed card information to the user's machine. It caches the information locally for the sake of performance (and possibly so that the software can function even when disconnected from the web).
Yes, but an "online" program that stores all the data locally and even works offline, might as well just be a desktop distro; there doesn't seem much point in having it in-browser.
Especially now that they're making desktop apps that work in The Cloud (tm). I don't know what would be Silverlight's version of Adobe Air, but it seems a local desktop install that could grab updates remotely would do the trick.
Silverlight works with the browser to make it so that the client portion of the application can run on Windows, Macs and linux machines without needing to create a desktop application. Or it can run out-of-the-browser on Windows, Macs and linux. There wasn't a normal language available to build a desktop application that would run on all of these platforms. I could have used something like flash or air, but that would typically only be client side. My server code would then have to be created with a different tool. With Silverlight, I'm programming on both the client and the server in the same language and I get type-safe coding practices and a common library to use.
Also, not all of the data is stored on the client. Only common data that is useful so the client code doesn't have to go back to the server over and over again. Card data and pictures mostly. Once game play is enabled, the client communicates with the server which is the link between all of the players involved in the game with the server handling the coordination of the game rules and the progress of the game. All game results, user decks, game status, tournament schedules, etc are stored on the server.
And most of all, since Silverlight and .Net are the tools that we are using at my company, learning them in-depth was a major side benefit for all of the time I'm spending developing Redemption Live!
Mike
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I wasn't really suggesting you use Air instead, considering the monetary investment needed to get the Flex tools. I was just curious as to what kind of RIA capabilities were available with Silverlight as a comparison.
One small recommendation for storing local data on the client in that amount would be to allow the user to specify a location to store it. For the average out-of-the-box user that may not mean a lot, but for people with limited system partitions for Windows but tons of storage elsewhere, it would be good strain relief.
Can accounts be created yet? Because from what I could tell of the beta interface, I could not find a way to do so, and therefore could not create card collections or even figure out how to just look at cards.
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Silverlight has some extensive tools for RIA development. I'm using CSLA.Net for Silverlight as a business object framework and I'm using Telerik Premium controls for Silverlight and WPF for advanced UI controls.
There is no option for where to save the cached data on the machine. Silverlight runs in the browser in a protected mode. As such, you can only save files to an area called Isolated Storage. The user must give permission, but your access is protected from other areas unless the user explicity initiates the action.
Accounts will be able to be created in the next beta stage. It currently has a number of unfinished areas that would be problematic if I was required to maintain user data throughout the release upgrade. Therefore, you can use the "guest" user with a password of "guest" for the current public beta. It's a bit old, the current version is quite a bit more polished, but I'll release it as soon as I can get it into very good shape.
Mike
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That's okay, I'm just looking to kick the tires a little bit.
Plus, as someone currently taking classes in C#, you make an excellent guinea pig for how I might apply my teachings after I graduate.
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Hey thanks for contributing so far, Schaef. I noticed you did a purple card or too. ;)
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I'm just loading images for the moment, but yes, I've loaded 2 or 3 or 600.
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That's good. Could you send me a list of the images you've put up so I can put them in their respective places?
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They have places?
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I just did a little testing with some tools that I have and it looks like I could load the pages automatically from the RedemptionLive! database. I don't necessarily want to throw a monkey wrench into your project, but I could probably have the tools create all of the pages for all of the cards with the data that I have and people could add the stuff that only people know (like Strategy and Special Scenarios, etc.)
The tools look like they would be able to load the data wherever you were to host the wiki.
Let me know if there is any interest.
Mike
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There are over 2500 cards in the set right now, to my knowledge, and no images available without SAs, at least, not on par with REG quality.
I can't speak for the people heading up this project, but I'll speak for the people heading up this project: YES THERE'S INTEREST.
My first attempt at a wiki had all the structure but I couldn't get the cards loaded. It is easily the single biggest hurdle to clear, in terms of work involved versus value of the added info.
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I have high quality images for all 2711 cards. I also have most of the card details in my specific way of storing them. My software arranges them into the card detail display that I pasted in earlier. I have automated testing software that lets me write scripts against a web site to enter and test data. So I wrote a script to control the current wiki that is being built and the software was able to completely create a page. I just didn't bother to save it to avoid conflicting with whoever is currently adding the pages.
I think that my database has some extra fields other than those listed (like what effects are in the special ability). However, I know that my database is not totally accurate on some of the identifiers, so I was in the process of reviewing the identifiers for all cards (not just the listed identifiers but all identifiers). My identifier list has 107 total identifiers at this point.
Mike
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My identifier list has 107 total identifiers at this point.
I bet I know one you forgot :)
Hand dominance. Ehud was left-handed.
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So... does this mean I should stop making cards? Right when I've gotten it down too....
Although I must say, the format for how we've been doing it on the wikia, I like a lot more than how it's formatted in RedemptionLive! So if that's how it would be formatted.... I'd prefer to keep doing it how we are doing it.
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I vouch for whichever will be quicker, and that seems to be Mr. Wolfe's proposed method hands-down.
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I vouch for whichever will be quicker, and that seems to be Mr. Wolfe's proposed method hands-down.
I don't think that's the best criterion of measuring which method we should choose. If Redemption always chose the "quicker" and "easier" route, we'd never have this card game. I think taking as much as an extra several months to have a WAY better wikia is, in the long run, totally worth it.
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The format can be whatever someone wants. The only constraints will come in regarding conflicts with the way I have data. For instance, since I have the cards categorized according to the 107 identifiers that I have, it would be difficult to categorize them differently and still have me be able to auto-load all the cards from the database. For other examples, I have the tin number as part of the Card Set (i.e., Rock of Ages(XIV) not an identifier of Tin 14). However, the plus side of loading it from RedemptionLive!, is that all of the cards can be loaded in a relatively short time frame in a consistent manner. How long will it take volunteers to enter all of the cards?
The format of the RedemptionLive! information is just my first pass. If anyone has a better format for the layout of the details, I can update the layout to one that is better. Once I change the layout in the program, it automatically is applied to all cards.
Again, I'm just offering to perhaps save a lot of people some time. Everyone is free to decide to take me up on the offer or not. Either way, I'll be continuing working toward Redemption Live!. Once it is generally available, it'll have a Card Explorer for searching and deck building in addition to whatever happens with the wiki.
Mike
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I vouch for whichever will be quicker, and that seems to be Mr. Wolfe's proposed method hands-down.
I don't think that's the best criterion of measuring which method we should choose. If Redemption always chose the "quicker" and "easier" route, we'd never have this card game. I think taking as much as an extra several months to have a WAY better wikia is, in the long run, totally worth it.
Reassessment: Quickness/Easiness is certainly not the only factor here, although I seem to have stated it as such. The other most important factor is indeed quality. However, although Mr. Wolfe's layout may not be exactly what we want, it is close enough to be worth the time we will save.
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Yes, but the beauty of a wiki is that it is a perpetual work in progress. Even if the data imported from Live! is a framework with some issues here and there, cleanup work on that will be a snap compared to entering every card manually from scratch.
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Yes, but the beauty of a wiki is that it is a perpetual work in progress. Even if the data imported from Live! is a framework with some issues here and there, cleanup work on that will be a snap compared to entering every card manually from scratch.
imo, It's not just some things "here and there." The overall layout I think is a LOT less effective, and less pleasing to the eye.
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imo, It's not just some things "here and there." The overall layout I think is a LOT less effective, and less pleasing to the eye.
I'm not suggesting that my layout be used. I was offering to enter the DATA from RedemptionLive! directly into the wiki page layout automatically. The fields may be populated somewhat differently, but the formatting can be whatever you want it to be.
Mike
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Then I fully support your assistance and thank you greatly! ;D ;D ;D
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mjwolfe: Go right ahead. If you break it, then the Wikia admins will learn something. If you don't, we'll save a heck of a lot of time.
Everyone else: Hold on for a second, I don't know how this'll work. If only there were a movie quote for this instance...
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"Frankly dear, I don't give a--"
Okay maybe not that one. ::)
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Yeah, I vote we mass upload the data from Redemption live, then manually fix any mistakes or add in whatever was missing.
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At the very least, all the pictures would be nice.
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I'm just loading images for the moment, but yes, I've loaded 2 or 3 or 600 900.
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And how are you titling them Schaef?
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I still would like the list, so I can create a page and put the picture on it as a placeholder for whoever's assigned to that brigade.
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I still would like the list, so I can create a page and put the picture on it as a placeholder for whoever's assigned to that brigade.
Right, that'd be awesome. I need to know which purple pictures he's loaded and what he titled them.
Or maybe not? Aren't we waiting on Mike Wolfe?
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The titles match the file names. For now I'm just doing a bulk load.
Within the next couple days you will have every card with a special ability through FooF. That's your list. But right now I'm only in like the Ks or Ls.
And I don't know if Mike's data load will include the actual images or only references to the images. I'm hedging my bets and loading the images anyway.
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If I'm going to load the data, my program was going to create all of the pages and load all of the images. I'm a little concerned about the chance that my image naming scheme doesn't match what is currently being entered and I may get duplicate errors when I try to upload the same image that's already there or else we end up with the same image entered twice with slightly different names.
Should I ignore all variants when loading the pages and include only different versions of the same card?
Can I load my additional identifiers or rename any that are the same but using a different name than the categories that are already created?
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So far, I haven't had dup issues, because the wiki spits out a warning that says "warning: this file already exists! You wanna reload it with a different name? And I say, nah, and just go back to what I'm doing because the non-dups were uploaded successfully anyway.
We might want to sit down and work out a common set of identifiers so that Mike doesn't need to worry about consistency. It will have the added benefit of proofing the identifiers he has loaded in Live! at the same time.
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I am currently reviewing the identifiers in Redemption Live! because that was a step I needed to take there anyway. Might as well start with the most accurate set of identifiers I can. I've gotten all the way through "Roman" so far so I'm most of the way done. There were numerous corrections I made compared to the beta list.
Mike
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I would put an extra set of eyes on it but I had a little trouble with the program last night. I'll PM you when I get home with more specific details because I know how little help it is to name some nebulous "problem".
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mj, have you tried whatever it is you were going to?
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I've finished reviewing all of the identifiers in the database for accuracy. I'm ready to start scripting the load of the data. I still need an answer to the question about loading only different versions of the same card or both different versions and different variants. I will hopefully get a chance to try to get it working over the weekend.
Mike
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Generally we go by same title, same page.
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Right now my script is loading all of the card images. At the rate that the web site is responding right now, that'll take about ten hours to enter the pictures for the 2079 non-variant card images. After that I'll try to begin loading the pages for those cards. I'll make the few changes to the Categories for some of the identifiers I have that are not in the current list. I'm only going to add cards for different versions of the same card, NOT for simple variations (left-fish/right-fish apostles, one-sun/two-sun Storehouse, etc.).
Mike
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That's fine. We can add a note about variants somewhere on the page but loading images and data for them is a waste of your time.
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Brigade leaders, you still paying attention?
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Brigade leaders, you still paying attention?
No that much if the doggy is doing it
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All he's doing is giving us lots of pictures. Here's how we'll work it:
Go through your entire brigade, and create pages with only the placeholder picture on it. Add the Nonconformist pages category.
Once you have done that for every card in your brigade, go back and start adding infoboxes/links/categories.
We're not implementing strategy at this time, if you must put it somewhere, add it to that talk page, and we can copypasta later.
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All he's doing is giving us lots of pictures.... Once you have done that for every card in your brigade, go back and start adding infoboxes/links/categories.
No.
After that I'll try to begin loading the pages for those cards.
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All he's doing is giving us lots of pictures.... Once you have done that for every card in your brigade, go back and start adding infoboxes/links/categories.
No.
After that I'll try to begin loading the pages for those cards.
thanks Scheaf dude
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All he's doing is giving us lots of pictures.... Once you have done that for every card in your brigade, go back and start adding infoboxes/links/categories.
No.
After that I'll try to begin loading the pages for those cards.
Ignore the Kittens. Mike, do we have an expected done by time?
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Brigade leaders, you still paying attention?
i'm payin attention just waitin to see whats goin on
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I just finished loading the pictures. There were probably a few that errored, but most went in. I've collected the data for the card pages. I'm now writing the script to load the pages. But, I'm going to have to switch to preparing for the Sunday School lesson I have to teach tomorrow morning. So I'll start back to work on it tomorrow evening. If I can't finish it tomorrow night, I'll probably start running it Monday evening. As long as it was going to take to enter all of the pages by hand, I hope you can give me a few days to get them in automatically. There's a number of special cases to program for to generate these right. That takes some time and a bit of testing before I can kick off the whole run. Be patient and in a few days all the pages will be there.
Mike
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You are a scholar and a gentleman. I don't care what other members have no sense of humor, I think you're all right.
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Thanks. :)
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You've already saved us quite a bit of time. This will be great.
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Yeah, thanks a lot, Mike! ;D
Also, since you like to solve other peoples' problems so much, there was this ruling made recently concerning Highway...;)
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Hey! It's either Rob's way, or the Highway.
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Hey! It's either Rob's way, or the Highway.
Long-term, people won't get that, so I can't put it on my quotes thread. But as far as current humor level, that was great!
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You could always put a small explaination in the quote page. ;)
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Yeah that quote was pretty epic.
And thanks Mike!
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It's Monday night. How did it go?
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It's mostly working for the cards. I'm having to do a little extra work to get the categories in. It's late. I'll try some more tomorrow.
Mike
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I'll try some more tomorrow.
Now, when you say that at 4 AM...;)
EDIT: Just realized you live in Cali, but this would be funny in MN. :P
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Take your time, I'd like to see this done right rather than hurried.
If you need moderator powers, just let me know.
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Take your time, I'd like to see this done right rather than hurried.
If you need moderator powers, just let me know.
At this point, I need permission to edit the Master List of Categories. Can you grant that permission to me?
Mike
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It's done. You're admin, and can mess with all the pages you want.
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As I was finishing the script, I came across an issue. You currently have us making one page for cards that have multiple versions. However, there's only one set of categories per page. Therefore, how do you know which card or cards the categories go with? For instance. Gabriel has a Warriors and a Kings version (one is NT, the other OT), does it get BOTH "New Testament" and "Old Testament" as categories? If we add identifiers, sometimes one version of the card will have some of them, but not others and vice-versa for the other version of the card.
Would it be better to have a different page for each card so that they each get their own categories, but then link the pages somehow (with an Other Versions set of links?
Mike
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I put ALL related categories for all copies of that card on one page. For example, the King of Tyrus page has both Evil Gold Brigade and Orange Brigade.
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I put ALL related categories for all copies of that card on one page. For example, the King of Tyrus page has both Evil Gold Brigade and Orange Brigade.
I understand that you can do that, but wouldn't it be misleading for the 'Territory Class' category, for example, to link you to a page, then you go get that card (looking at the wrong version with a different brigade or something) and find it isn't territory class?
If I did create separate pages, we can have internal links in the card box to the other versions. That way you can quickly check other versions of any card, while at the same time only finding cards that actually have the category when you link off of it?
Mike
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Well, it wouldnt be misleading when you realize it has several prints, and you scroll down to see the TClass version.
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I have a lot of identifiers and effects that I can add to the categories. If you follow the links from a category, it won't necessarily make it easy for you to know which of the cards has that category and which doesn't have the category.
Mike
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I like the idea of having a separate page for each version of a card, then having a link to all the other versions in the box. That's my vote.
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I have a lot of identifiers and effects that I can add to the categories. If you follow the links from a category, it won't necessarily make it easy for you to know which of the cards has that category and which doesn't have the category.
Mike
Any chance you could list the stuff you'll add on here first so I know how much is going to be added? Mostly for personal curiosity, because I was sure I got everything. :D
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In addition to some minor additional identifiers, I have all cards categorized by what effects are used in their special abilities. It helps for searches like "all 'banding' cards that are also 'Can't be Negated'.
Mike
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I think Mike can give some wonderful insight into what might be the best way to organize the way the cards are displayed. I'm curious as to what methods he think would really work.
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Well, being an inclusionist, sure!
Make a banding category, but I also would like the page itself to link to bandable cards (This can be added post-script)
As to multiple prints of a card: If there's a major change (new brigade/Testament), than make an new page, with the difference in parenthesis. I.E.
Gabriel (NT)
Gabriel (OT)
King of Tyrus (Orange)
King of Tyrus (Gold)
and linkage/explanation as such. As for minor variations, we don't need a new page, just add the image and explanation. Links don't go in the box though.
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As for minor variations, we don't need a new page, just add the image and explanation.
I don't like that. I think we should keep every copy of every card on a separate page, even Bow and Arrow. :)
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Would it be better to have a different page for each card so that they each get their own categories, but then link the pages somehow (with an Other Versions set of links?
hey,
Every version that is playably different should have its own page. That should include cards with different references (Michael, Gabe, etc ...), differently playable special abilities (Shadow, Battle Prayer, etc ...), and different brigades (King of Tyrus). It shouldn't include cards with different artwork (Elders of Jerusalem) or special abilities that play the same due to either re-definitions or play-as (Holy of Holies, Michael, etc ...). The pages of each card with multiple versions that all play the same should have (at the very least) an explanation of the variation if not an image of each card. The page of each card with multiple versions should be cross-linked to the other versions.
L8er,
Gil
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I'd like also to propose an idea that I had incorporated into my attempts to wikify the game. I believe there should just be one page for "Lost Soul" which covers every non-ability LS in the game.
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The lost Soul idea works. I think Lambo's working on a Lost Soul template for that very thing.
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How would the template be any different....?
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No ability/brigade/SA.
Also: We're over 100 articles!
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They're in the page creation guide...
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Is it to late to join the wiki challenge?
If not,I'd be willing to help out!
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Hold on until we get some of the kinks worked out from this superscript. That's when we'll need hands.
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Ok,I've got an account made and ready for use,just let me know ;).
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I got my script working and kicked it off late last night. It finished about two hours ago (total load time of about 14 hours) and loaded about 2079 card pages. There were probably a few pages that had gotten errors and may need to be fixed up a bit. There's a few missing pictures, so if you find ones that are missing, let me know and I'll try to do an update run for the missing cards. If you find errors, I can also correct them via script if there's a lot of significant issues. Also post here if you fix up any card statistics so that I can correct them in Redemption Live! I took Schaef's suggestion and made one page with the pictures of all of the No Special Ability Lost Souls. Every other card got it's own page. I had to modify the card box information a bit to fit in all of the data that I had since an infobox only allows 10 lines of information. I didn't find that out until I started loading cartds and some went over 10 lines. Therefore, I combined the Play As/Errata with the special ability line. I combined the Found in (Card Set) with the Rarity and I combined the Verse Reference with the Verse Text to fit in 10 lines.
There are lot's of categories that I associated with each card. Enjoy!
Mike
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Thank you for doing that. You just saved us MONTHS of work. Now all thats left is to tweak the pages as you said we may need to do in a few cases, and add in our own descriptions and strategies for the cards. Also, we can probably start working on pages for different special abilities and stuff as well.
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I would like to nominate Mike for the title of Coolest Guy on the Planet.
I also think the menu on the left side needs alteration. If someone could handle that or grant me the powers to fiddle around...it's just weird that at first it had "Dominants" as a menu item and now "Old Testament" and "New Testament"... it needs to be a launching point for major sections of the wiki.
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Second the nomination.
I'll check out the left side thingy.
Now that Mike's had his time to shine, Brigade Leaders are a go. Start checking your brigades for missing pages/images and other quirks. If they keep on appearing, report them here for scriptalicious Mike to take care of.
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Second the nomination.
I'll check out the left side thingy.
Now that Mike's had his time to shine, Brigade Leaders are a go. Start checking your brigades for missing pages/images and other quirks. If they keep on appearing, report them here for scriptalicious Mike to take care of.
Alright, I'll be super busy this week... I'll start getting on my brigade next week.
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There are some missing links/images
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Is anyone still on this thing?
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I'm not sure how many people are working on large amounts of pages at a time, but now that all the card pages are built thanks to MJWolfe, I think it should just be a continual work-in-progress. Meaning, if you see a page thats broken, just fix it if you have the time... or if you feel like making a page for rules or w/e, then do so. It'll build itself from there.
I often use it because I can find cards in it faster than I can in the REG.
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The next step would be to popularize it, it's a great resource
The last edit was nine days ago, are our brigade leaders still around?
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Sorry man, I'm just like insanely busy this summer... I rarely have time to just sit by the computers. In fact, you'll notice I hardly even post here anymore. I'm not sure how many cards I can do, sorry.
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i'm not really that computer savvy so i'm not sure how much i can help i originally figured out how to create the pages and that was cool but there up now so i'll take my name off the brigade leader list thingy because i'm not really sure what else I can do.
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Well, brigade leaders can double check the results of the script and fix it or otherwise tag the page.
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I'm not sure if we even need brigade leaders now, people can just fix it as they see it.
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Well, it'd be good to have someone responsible, and brigades seem best. Other ideas?
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Hey, what happened to the side bar links? Most of them have no content, what happened to the pages we had that listed all of the identifiers?
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They were redone by our resident tyrannical overlord, TheSchaef. No content yet because no one's put it there yet.
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What happened to the pages we had that listed all of the identifiers?
http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Master_List_of_Categories (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Master_List_of_Categories)
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Ok, then Philistine is not on there.
Edit: it is now.
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I think the master list is only what Lambo did, and not mjwolfe's script. I'll get on that tonight.
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The master list is automatically generated by the wiki software as we continue to create them. Just like you can click on a category to get a list of all the pages that are tagged with it; that too is generated by the software.
I wasn't sure there was an interest in that master list but it's easy enough to put it back on the left-hand menu.
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I know for a fact I typed up almost all of that master list by hand. :P
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My mistake.
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There's two "master lists". One generated by the Wiki software every time we enter (thus the autocomplete) and the list Lambo came up with. The nice thing about Lambo's list is that it's viewable in it's entirety by us. Problem is, we have to update it manually.
We should keep it, so as to have an "official" list of categories, someone somewhere made a "gamebreaker" tag for Buckler.