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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Carl deuty on March 30, 2009, 11:27:59 PM
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This is for a class project. I have to get as many peoples favorite Star Wars character and tally them up. Mine is Princess Leah. She is so awesome. For some reason i can not view posted material on my home computer, that is why I am asking you to please PM me. I would really appreciate your input.
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PM sent, as if you could read this.
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We should all PM our favorite Star Trek character. We can claim that is what the original post asked for, and the opriginal poster will have no way of checking. ;)
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That's what I did ;D
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pm sent
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Pm sent and RE PM'd. My head hurts, I screwed up my first vote. LONG LIVE TARKIN
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PM sent. Liam Neeson always gets my vote.
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Pm sent and RE PM'd. My head hurts, I screwed up my first vote. LONG LIVE TARKIN
Tarkin ftw But Liam Neeson is a ton better still :P
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I talked to Daniel today and he wanted to thank everyone for their replies thus far. He said he still needs a few more PM's, so if you haven't sent him a PM please do. Thanks
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PM sent.
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Pm sent and RE PM'd. My head hurts, I screwed up my first vote. LONG LIVE TARKIN
Tarkin ftw But Liam Neeson is a ton better still :P
Yes, but his character (as awesome as a borderline dark jedi is) sorta lacked something, like a not lame death.
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Pm sent and RE PM'd. My head hurts, I screwed up my first vote. LONG LIVE TARKIN
Tarkin ftw But Liam Neeson is a ton better still :P
Yes, but his character (as awesome as a borderline dark jedi is) sorta lacked something, like a not lame death.
Lame? Clearly Darth Maul was the superior swordsmith. I think his death was very appropriate and believable.
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Pm sent and RE PM'd. My head hurts, I screwed up my first vote. LONG LIVE TARKIN
Tarkin ftw But Liam Neeson is a ton better still :P
Yes, but his character (as awesome as a borderline dark jedi is) sorta lacked something, like a not lame death.
Lame? Clearly Darth Maul was the superior swordsmith. I think his death was very appropriate and believable.
actually it wasn't cause he got beat by a padawan XD
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Darth Maul was a padawan about as much as Tyrannus or Vader was a padawan.
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I think he meant that darth maul got beat by a padawan
but that was no ordinarly padawan.. it was the chosen one! the one who will bring balance to the force...
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but that was no ordinarly padawan.. it was the chosen one! the one who will bring balance to the force...
I hope this is an April Fools' joke. ;)
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I think he meant that darth maul got beat by a padawan
but that was no ordinarly padawan.. it was the chosen one! the one who will bring balance to the force...
fail.
it wasn't anikan that beat maul
it was obiwan.and obiwan is NOT the chosen one as discribed in the first 3 movies it indicated that it was Anikan whose the chosen one
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I think he meant that darth maul got beat by a padawan
but that was no ordinary padawan.. it was the chosen one! the one who will bring balance to the force...
fail.
it wasn't anikan that beat maul
it was obi wan.and obi wan is NOT the chosen one as described in the first 3 movies it indicated that it was Anikan whose the chosen one
duh
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but that was no ordinarly padawan.. it was the chosen one! the one who will bring balance to the force...
I hope this is an April Fools' joke. ;)
actually Obi indirrectly did, if Obiwan had of been like yoda and uptight about the rules, luke would of been a full jedi. Instead of a gray jedi (force choking people = No no for light side)
Pm sent and RE PM'd. My head hurts, I screwed up my first vote. LONG LIVE TARKIN
Tarkin ftw But Liam Neeson is a ton better still :P
Yes, but his character (as awesome as a borderline dark jedi is) sorta lacked something, like a not lame death.
Lame? Clearly Darth Maul was the superior swordsmith. I think his death was very appropriate and believable.
actually it wasn't cause he got beat by a padawan XD
Well, Ironically, Obiwan went dark side to kill maul so...
I didn't mean his death was bad just... Smack in the head normally wouldn't open your guard (to the extent of being stabbed in the stomach) if you were relying on the force.
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But if you really think about it, who really was responsible for bringing balance to the force?
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But if you really think about it, who really was responsible for bringing balance to the force?
Q.
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PM sent. By the way, Anakin was responsible for bringing balance to the force. In Episode III, he killed all the Jedi but two, Yoda and Obi-Wan, leaving two Jedi and two Sith. Later, however, he destroyed the Sith, which I think was a bit of a better thing to do! :laugh: So anyway, Anakin did fulfill the prophecy by turning to the Dark Side and killing everyone but Yoda and Obi-Wan. Dilemma solved. :)
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Thanks for all the replies guys. I still need a couple more people to PM me with their favorite Star Wars character to get a large enough test groups. Thank you to everyone.
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Wow! I have a lot to correct.
@ Crustpope: Raven had to be talking about Maul because he referenced my post who was referencing RRs post about Liam Neilson's Character Qui Gon Gin having a "lame" death. If this is not what Raven was referencing then he was wrong from the start because he misread my response to RR.
@ Raven: Obi Wan was not a padawan when he defeated Darth Maul. Qui Gon had already released him so he could take Anakin Skywalker on as a padawan.
@ RR: I do not believe Obi Wan used the Dark Side to defeat Maul...actually when he fought aggressively is when he lost, but when he calmed down: he was able to force jump while grabbing Qui Gon's lightsaber to defeat Maul. Plus, if you get smacked in the nose, trust me...you drop your guard, and again, I submit that Maul was superior in fighting skill to Qui Gon which is why it was so easy to kill him one on one. Qui Gon needed Obi Wan's help. Each jedi has special talent in the area of the force. Fighting was not Qui Gon's.
@ NotOfThisWorld66: Actually, more than just Yoda and Obi Wan survived the purge. That is why Vader had to go and hunt a lot of the Jedi down. The Extended Universe (books & Video Games) which is approved by Lucas speaks of this, and Vader never did find all of them. However, there were a lot of force users that Vader needed to cut down which supports Darth Bane's theory of the Rule of 2. :maul:
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But if you really think about it, who really was responsible for bringing balance to the force?
Q.
You wyn the thread. *Snap*
PM sent. By the way, Anakin was responsible for bringing balance to the force. In Episode III, he killed all the Jedi but two, Yoda and Obi-Wan, leaving two Jedi and two Sith. Later, however, he destroyed the Sith, which I think was a bit of a better thing to do! :laugh: So anyway, Anakin did fulfill the prophecy by turning to the Dark Side and killing everyone but Yoda and Obi-Wan. Dilemma solved. :)
Also by the end of episode six all force users who were pure jedi or sith were dead. Only Gray Jedi Luke remained who was balance within himself.
@ RR: I do not believe Obi Wan used the Dark Side to defeat Maul...actually when he fought aggressively is when he lost, but when he calmed down: he was able to force jump while grabbing Qui Gon's lightsaber to defeat Maul. Plus, if you get smacked in the nose, trust me...you drop your guard, and again, I submit that Maul was superior in fighting skill to Qui Gon which is why it was so easy to kill him one on one. Qui Gon needed Obi Wan's help. Each jedi has special talent in the area of the force. Fighting was not Qui Gon's.
Maybe it was the face he was making as he jumped and sliced maul but he didn't seem very calm. I agree Maul was very skilled in combat while quigon was a force user (Counselor). I know that getting smacked in the nose drops your guard, but when you are relying on the force to help with combat (which qui-gon woulda been) it seems a little odd that he couldn't prevent that. Not a big deal though, just seems odd that Qui-Gon didn't abuse the force as much as a counselor normally would be(Famous counselor who abuses the force: Yoda). Then again, I have only liked 2 Jedi (Qui-Gon and the old Obi-Wan, Because they both completely ignored the Jedi Code if it came into conflict with what they thought.). I'm more of a sith guy myself.
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i'm more of a gray jedi kind of guy
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See, IMO, I like Obi Wan (1 of the list of my top 5 favorites that I gave the guy) because I have always seen him as a strict, by the letter of the law kind of guy. He had a mentor who bent the rules constantly. He had a padawan (Anakin) who constantly bent the rules and was unorthodox. He was the one staple...the constant...the unmovable. When it came to Luke, I don't see how he bent the rules with Luke. He couldn't train him earlier or Vader & the Emperor would have been tipped off to where he was at. That was more out of necessity than a willful breaking of the rules.
Plus, Luke was not the only one...remember Yoda said, "No! There is another." Lastly, I don't think Luke truly became "Gray" until the Reborn Emperor in the comics (Dark Empire). In Movie 6, he started to use the Dark Side and then willfully said no. In the comic, he actually began practicing and learning the Dark Side with the hope to defeat it and the Reborn Emperor.
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Man... am I the only one who lovews mace Windu? I mean.. purple lightsaber... the awesome screaming... the "agressive" negotiations... the fact the he is one of two to master level 5 sword fighting.... the fact that he is freaking Samuel L Jackson! I mean come on people! There's really no contest! 8)
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actually he wanted it to be purple so he can be spotted easily in the battle in attack of the clones by the veiwers of the movie
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Yoda is one of my favorite characters, alongside Kit Fisto and Ki-Adi-Mundi. Yoda was a master of Form IV (and I mean a master). If you read the Martial Arts section of the off-topic forum, you will see that I enjoy training with swords (more like Hasbro lightsabers :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:), and I like to attempt to use Ataru like he did. No one can replicate Yoda's moves, but you must remember that Qui-Gonn and Obi Wan in Episode 1 practiced Ataru, and could use it without doing all of Yoda's flips and spins and such.
And also a question to rap this post up: Luke was balanced with the Light and Dark Sides?! I thought he firmly stated that he was a Jedi and that he was not at all on the Dark Side. He also regretted using his anger (a.k.a. the Dark Side) to defeat Darth Vader. I'm semi-confused on this...
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Yeah... but Count Dooku and Mace Windu are better. :-*
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Any one here into PROXY?? I think he is the best character with his "wit". Example:
Imperial Officer: Alert! Ship navigation systems have malfunctioned! Repeat, ship navigation systems have malfunctioned!
Darth Vader's Secret Apprentice: Proxy, what did you just do?
Proxy: I've set the Empirical on a collision with a nearby star.
Darth Vader's Secret Apprentice: You what?
Proxy: It seemed like the quickest way to wipe out all witnesses. Lord Vader did clearly specify that no one must know of your existence.
Darth Vader's Secret Apprentice: I knew you were still trying to kill me.
Proxy: No, no. Not yet, anyway.
Example2:
Darth Vader's Secret Apprentice: Shut down, Proxy. There is no one inside you that I haven't already defeated.
Proxy: Give me some credit, master. I have one module you've never seen. An enemy I've stored for years.
[Proxy changes his form to mimic that of Darth Maul]
Example 3:
"My onboard tactical computer suggests that this is the best time to attack. I am certain that I will finally fulfill my programming."
―PROXY to Starkiller during the Mission to Raxus Prime.[src]
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See, IMO, I like Obi Wan (1 of the list of my top 5 favorites that I gave the guy) because I have always seen him as a strict, by the letter of the law kind of guy. He had a mentor who bent the rules constantly. He had a padawan (Anakin) who constantly bent the rules and was unorthodox. He was the one staple...the constant...the unmovable. When it came to Luke, I don't see how he bent the rules with Luke. He couldn't train him earlier or Vader & the Emperor would have been tipped off to where he was at. That was more out of necessity than a willful breaking of the rules.
A certain point of view, I thought deceit was a dark side trait?
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See, IMO, I like Obi Wan (1 of the list of my top 5 favorites that I gave the guy) because I have always seen him as a strict, by the letter of the law kind of guy. He had a mentor who bent the rules constantly. He had a padawan (Anakin) who constantly bent the rules and was unorthodox. He was the one staple...the constant...the unmovable. When it came to Luke, I don't see how he bent the rules with Luke. He couldn't train him earlier or Vader & the Emperor would have been tipped off to where he was at. That was more out of necessity than a willful breaking of the rules.
A certain point of view, I thought deceit was a dark side trait?
See, maybe in Christian morality...in Star Wars its:
Fear-> Anger->Hate->Suffering
Well, all that and Sith are power hungry. Anti-Deceit is a Christian value that Lucas didn't give the Jedi.
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Anti-Deceit is a Christian value that Lucas didn't give the Jedi.
I agree. Lucas made the Jedi believe many quite preposterous things.
Example: Star Wars III Mustafar
Obi-Wan: Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic. To democracy!
Anakin: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy!
Obi-Wan: Only a sith deals in absolutes. I will do what I must.
Example 2: Star Wars III Mustafar
Obi-Wan: I have failed you, Anakin. I have failed you.
Anakin: I should've known the Jedi were plotting to take over!
Obi-Wan: Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!
Anakin: From my point of view the Jedi are evil!
Obi-Wan: Well then you are lost!
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That just made me snicker.
If only sith deals in absolutes then how could obi-wan call Anakin lost? :-p
HM....
Jedi = Absolutely Condeming all Sith for their use of the dark side..
And if only Sith deal in absolutes.... All Jedi are just Holier than thou Sith O_o;.
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Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side.-Han Solo
:amen:
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Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side.-Han Solo
The real irony of that statement is that Obi-Wan used a blaster to kill General Grievious.
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Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side.-Han Solo
The real irony of that statement is that Obi-Wan used a blaster to kill General Grievious.
he had to cause he didn't have his lightsaber
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You missed the point. General Grevious had "ancient weapons" and had been trained in "hokey religions" (as had his many Jedi victims), but he was killed by a blaster and a quick anatomy lesson.
The fact that Han Solo said his quote to a Jedi and his apprentice was not only funny, but ironic because the Jedi was the one who used the blaster in the above scenario.
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You missed the point.
i don't see a point, unless it's on dan ackroyd's head XD
and i was just simply saying
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i don't see a point, unless it's on dan ackroyd's head XD
That has to be the first Coneheads reference that I have heard in 10 years. :o
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glad to have brought coneheads back :laugh:
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Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side.-Han Solo
:amen:
Irony.
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Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side.-Han Solo
:amen:
Irony.
I think irony is made of iron! - Caboose
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Obi-Wan: Only a sith deals in absolutes. I will do what I must.
Yeah, that has long rankled me, but remember, at least it seems, the Flanneled One is a liberal!
Just to start, I call attention to the horrible sight of Greedo shooting first. Ah! Disgusting!
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Wow. And I thought I knew the star wars story pretty well. apparently there are books and comics i've never even heard of? when did this happen?
~Britta
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Wow. And I thought I knew the star wars story pretty well. apparently there are books and comics i've never even heard of? when did this happen?
~Britta
Years before the Phantom Menace, actually. Lucas gave the writers the freedom to write anything they wished regarding the post-Star Wars universe, as long as they left the ante bellum astrum (yeah, I just did that) to Lucas.
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Wow. And I thought I knew the star wars story pretty well. apparently there are books and comics i've never even heard of? when did this happen?
~Britta
I have a Star Wars book from 1979, I'm pretty sure is the year. The name eludes me at the moment. It is okay at best, but I kept it because it was written before the "Big Reveal" in Empire Strikes Back. It was a fun to read for that fact alone. The books, comics, and games have come to be known as the "Extended Universe". It really launched and became popular with Timothy Zahn's "Thrawn Trilogy." Zahn was an exceptional writer and added several great characters and an awesome species (the noghri). Everything must be approved by Lucas and all the writers communicate with each other so nothing is out of order in the Extended Universe.
Of course, Lucas has changed his mind a few times and had characters killed off in the books. The most obvious is Han and Leia's youngest son Anakin Skywalker Solo. He figured that when the new movies came out that it would be too confusing to have 2 Anakins out and about. At least, that is how the story goes, so Anakin Solo was given a glorified death in the next book.
*Special Note about a board member* Tsavong Lah on the board is actually a Star Wars name from one of the books. He is a warmaster of the Yuuzhan Vong during the New Republic era.
I hope this helps Britta! :kenobi:
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Wow. And I thought I knew the star wars story pretty well. apparently there are books and comics i've never even heard of? when did this happen?
~Britta
I have a Star Wars book from 1979, I'm pretty sure is the year. The name eludes me at the moment. It is okay at best, but I kept it because it was written before the "Big Reveal" in Empire Strikes Back. It was a fun to read for that fact alone. The books, comics, and games have come to be known as the "Extended Universe". It really launched and became popular with Timothy Zahn's "Thrawn Trilogy." Zahn was an exceptional writer and added several great characters and an awesome species (the noghri). Everything must be approved by Lucas and all the writers communicate with each other so nothing is out of order in the Extended Universe.
Of course, Lucas has changed his mind a few times and had characters killed off in the books. The most obvious is Han and Leia's youngest son Anakin Skywalker Solo. He figured that when the new movies came out that it would be too confusing to have 2 Anakins out and about. At least, that is how the story goes, so Anakin Solo was given a glorified death in the next book.
*Special Note about a board member* Tsavong Lah on the board is actually a Star Wars name from one of the books. He is a warmaster of the Yuuzhan Vong during the New Republic era.
I hope this helps Britta! :kenobi:
That would have to be "Splinter of the Mind's Eye"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splinter_of_the_Mind%27s_Eye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splinter_of_the_Mind%27s_Eye)
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That's correct Metalpsalm...thanks! (I knew I would know it if I heard it.)
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That's correct Metalpsalm...thanks! (I knew I would know it if I heard it.)
In middleschool we ALL HAD to read that! This was in 1980-83. Pre empire, right?
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Okay... I'll repeat myself. Does ANYONE else like Mace Windu? ;)
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I liked the way Mace was portrayed in the Clone Wars video series (I think it was volume II). He went up against a droid army and single-handedly demolished them, along with some new secret weapon (The Holepuncher).
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Sounds like Maci Windu... ::)
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I read a book about Mace Windu in addition to the movies. That Jedi had a lot of anger and mistrust issues. If I didn't know any better, then I would be suspicious of him being a sith. :maul:
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I read a book about Mace Windu in addition to the movies. That Jedi had a lot of anger and mistrust issues. If I didn't know any better, then I would be suspicious of him being a sith. :maul:
This would explain the circumstances leading up to his death. He was too eager to kill Palpatine. Perhaps that was because of the "Two Sith" rule (which seemed to be broken many times). :maul:
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the "2 Sith" rule was more of a guideline ;)
Actually, Darth Bane created it to consolidate power. He felt that a lot of Sith drawing on the force ultimately diminished the force for everyone. So if there is only 2 then the force is more concentrated in those individuals. That and I'm sure Darth Bane didn't want a lot of rivals.
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the "2 Sith" rule was more of a guideline ;)
Actually, Darth Bane created it to consolidate power. He felt that a lot of Sith drawing on the force ultimately diminished the force for everyone. So if there is only 2 then the force is more concentrated in those individuals. That and I'm sure Darth Bane didn't want a lot of rivals.
If Darth Bane made the rule, then Darth Barbosa made it a "guideline."
I've never read any of the books, but that is an interesting insight. It would explain how Darth Sidious was able to beat Yoda.
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the "2 Sith" rule was more of a guideline ;)
Actually, Darth Bane created it to consolidate power. He felt that a lot of Sith drawing on the force ultimately diminished the force for everyone. So if there is only 2 then the force is more concentrated in those individuals. That and I'm sure Darth Bane didn't want a lot of rivals.
Besides their nature of not sharing power. The master gains by teaching, the student gains by learning. They need and constantly plot against each other. It's a really great picture of evil. The rest of the world are just expendable pawns to use and manipulate.
I think Windu was right, he should have killed Palpy. Very jack Bower.
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the "2 Sith" rule was more of a guideline ;)
Actually, Darth Bane created it to consolidate power. He felt that a lot of Sith drawing on the force ultimately diminished the force for everyone. So if there is only 2 then the force is more concentrated in those individuals. That and I'm sure Darth Bane didn't want a lot of rivals.
Well in Darth Bane's time they had a whole Sith academy full of much weaker Sith than Darth Bane (The book was amazing). Which upset him due to the fact Sith is ALL about power of self rather than of group. Darth Bane realized it doesn't work with the way the Sith are taught so Darth Bane set out to find a new apprentice and make the rule of two, after he tricked the rest of the Sith into doing a Mind Bomb and eliminating them.
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...so Darth Bane set out to find a new apprentice and make the rule of two, after he tricked the rest of the Sith into doing a Mind Bomb and eliminating them.
So that's what the movie Scanners was about. :o
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It would explain how Darth Sidious was able to beat Yoda.
Actually, I don't think there is any good explanation as to why Sidious was able to beat Yoda, or for that matter why Dooku was able to beat Yoda. Both times, Yoda lost because he was an idiot. The 900 year old Jedi Master who is supposed to be the wisest being in the universe behaved like a complete moron. This was one of the top 3 worst things about the prequels.
Top 3
Sacrilege of Yoda's character by making him make stupid decisions in important circumstances.
Sacrilege of Padme's character by making her fall in love for no reason, and then die from a "broken heart".
Sacrilege of Count Dooku's character by making him a shallow, evil, puppet, instead of the greatness that he could have been.
(notice that I did not include JarJar's existence, GuiGon Jin's death, Darth Maul's death, the little kid's acting, or several other popular critiques)
(also notice that I actually bought all 3 prequels, like them overall, and think that they made the complete saga stronger)
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Sacrilege of Count Dooku's character by making him a shallow, evil, puppet, instead of the greatness that he could have been.
+1
I always liked Dooku, and He got a real nice start in episode 2...then it just...flat lined.
Sacrilege of Padme's character by making her fall in love for no reason, and then die from a "broken heart".
+1 It was because she wasn't named sandy, had she been named sandy, it never woulda happened
Sacrilege of Yoda's character by making him make stupid decisions in important circumstances.
Idk on Dooku's fight he didn't have much choice, Kill the Sith, OR let Anakin die which kills the plot. Either way I say making Annie a whiney emo boy was worse than Yoda's foolishness. Maybe Yoda gained wisdom by sitting there after failing for three movies? As for Annie. He shoulda been skipping along killing younglings with a giant smile while singing "The sun will come out tomorrow"
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It would explain how Darth Sidious was able to beat Yoda.
Sacrilege of Yoda's character by making him make stupid decisions in important circumstances.
I think of Yoda as one who learned a lot of wisdom and humility from his horrifying failings.
Character flaws move the story forward in every movie, Yoda is no exception.
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I always liked Dooku, and He got a real nice start in episode 2...then it just...flat lined.
Here's how Dooku's storyline should have gone. Dooku is on the Jedi Council and learns of a conspiracy to turn the Republic into an empire. He knows that Chancellor Palpatine is at the center and that there are even traitors on the Jedi Council (ie. Cypho Dias). Not knowing who to trust, he quits the council and tries to investigate personally by going undercover and joining Palpatine as an apprentice. Meanwhile he also works behind the scenes to build a coalition of droid armies so that in the event that he isn't personally able to stop Palpatine that there will at least be an army available with a chance to stop the clone army already being built.
This background would have totally fit in with the conversation that he had with Obi-Wan in the holding cell, and would have led to a deep and complex character. A character who would have been loved by audiences and who would have been mourned when Anakin murders him, and die he must. For it turns out that Palpatine actually knew of Dooku's deceitfulness all along and had his own back-up plan of tricking Anikin into eliminating Dooku while at the same time moving farther along the path to the darkside himself.
So disappointing that none of this turned out to be used. If only George had consulted me :)
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Idk on Dooku's fight he didn't have much choice, Kill the Sith, OR let Anakin die...Maybe Yoda gained wisdom by sitting there after failing for three movies?
I appreciate your attempt to defend the idiocy of Yoda in the prequel movies, but there really is no excuse. The whole kill Dooku or save Ani choice was a false dichotomy. There were a lot of reinforcements on the way to the cave where Obi, Ani, Dooku, and Yoda were. The only reason why Dooku got away was because he was able to distract Yoda (holding up the big falling pillar with great effort) while he flew away. This should have never happened in the first place.
#1 - Yoda should have been smart enough to know when he first entered the room that without the ship to escape, Dooku was trapped. Therefore a simple "force reach" into the ship would have enabled him to simply squash some small but critical part of the engine, and Dooku is grounded.
#2 - Yoda should have pushed the 2 small, light jedi (Obi & Ani) out of the way rather than try to hold up the huge heavy pillar.
#3 - As for Yoda learning from failure in the prequels...he was already 900 years old. Is it really likely that he was an idiot after 900 years, but learned so much in the final 20 years of his life that he became the wisest being in the universe. I don't think so. He didn't even learn from his fight with Dooku and therefore lost to Sidious for the same stupid reason in the next movie.
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to FN i like mace windu!
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My favorite character is now R2-D2. Not only does he survive all the movies and wars, but he kicks bucket several times, even against Super Battle Droids.
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I always liked Dooku, and He got a real nice start in episode 2...then it just...flat lined.
Here's how Dooku's storyline should have gone. Dooku is on the Jedi Council and learns of a conspiracy to turn the Republic into an empire. He knows that Chancellor Palpatine is at the center and that there are even traitors on the Jedi Council (ie. Cypho Dias). Not knowing who to trust, he quits the council and tries to investigate personally by going undercover and joining Palpatine as an apprentice. Meanwhile he also works behind the scenes to build a coalition of droid armies so that in the event that he isn't personally able to stop Palpatine that there will at least be an army available with a chance to stop the clone army already being built.
This background would have totally fit in with the conversation that he had with Obi-Wan in the holding cell, and would have led to a deep and complex character. A character who would have been loved by audiences and who would have been mourned when Anakin murders him, and die he must. For it turns out that Palpatine actually knew of Dooku's deceitfulness all along and had his own back-up plan of tricking Anikin into eliminating Dooku while at the same time moving farther along the path to the darkside himself.
So disappointing that none of this turned out to be used. If only George had consulted me :)
That is actually how I always thought of him. Dooku was not a true Sith, he was a Jedi trying to maintain peace while the council ignored the giant threat looming in front of them. I don't have anything against Jedi honestly but to ignore such threats in front of them, to believe they truly defended the peace while their own people were having inner confrontations, seems foolish....
My favorite character is now R2-D2. Not only does he survive all the movies and wars, but he kicks bucket several times, even against Super Battle Droids.
R2 is my second fave character. Seriously, without R2, there would be no rebellion. Luke gets so much credit while poor R2 gets shot MULTIPLE TIMES and does all the work.
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I don't have anything against Jedi honestly but to ignore such threats in front of them, to believe they truly defended the peace while their own people were having inner confrontations, seems foolish....
Kind of like..... the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, National Guard, CIA, FBI, ATF, Police, Sheriffs, Deputies, Mall Security, School Resource Officers, ...
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I always liked Dooku, and He got a real nice start in episode 2...then it just...flat lined.
Here's how Dooku's storyline should have gone. Dooku is on the Jedi Council and learns of a conspiracy to turn the Republic into an empire. He knows that Chancellor Palpatine is at the center and that there are even traitors on the Jedi Council (ie. Cypho Dias). Not knowing who to trust, he quits the council and tries to investigate personally by going undercover and joining Palpatine as an apprentice. Meanwhile he also works behind the scenes to build a coalition of droid armies so that in the event that he isn't personally able to stop Palpatine that there will at least be an army available with a chance to stop the clone army already being built.
This background would have totally fit in with the conversation that he had with Obi-Wan in the holding cell, and would have led to a deep and complex character. A character who would have been loved by audiences and who would have been mourned when Anakin murders him, and die he must. For it turns out that Palpatine actually knew of Dooku's deceitfulness all along and had his own back-up plan of tricking Anikin into eliminating Dooku while at the same time moving farther along the path to the darkside himself.
So disappointing that none of this turned out to be used. If only George had consulted me :)
Dude! That is a great story line!
yeah, The Flanneled One never takes my ideas either. I think Mr Rob likes my ideas, although secretly. I did suggest Urim and Thimim after all , albeit as two cards.... ;D
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+1 on that idea. that is the kind of character development that made the sequals better than the prequals. I also agree with the love story problem. The love story in the last three movies was a gazillion times better than the first three. it is almost as if Lucas said, "hey, lets just make things explode and they will come."
I hated almost everything about the first three movies.
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I don't have anything against Jedi honestly but to ignore such threats in front of them, to believe they truly defended the peace while their own people were having inner confrontations, seems foolish....
Kind of like..... the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, National Guard, CIA, FBI, ATF, Police, Sheriffs, Deputies, Mall Security, School Resource Officers, ...
Yup! But I'm pretty sure none of those could kill every single one of the people left in one fell swoop ;)
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Dude! That is a great story line!
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. I'm not very creative at coming up with my own ideas for stories/movies, but I am actually really good at reading rough drafts of other people's and making some great suggestions.
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Just curious if this was already well known and I just picked up on it.
I was watching the classic version of Jesus of Nazareth, and at one point after Jesus arrived in Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, Judas is talking to a Pharisee. The Pharisee, talking about Jesus, said:
We will continue to watch His mission with great interest.
This immediately made me think of the end of Star Wars Episode I when Palpatine arrives and taps Anakin on the head and says:
We will watch your career with great interest.
In light of previous "revelations" about Anakin being the "chosen one" and having an apparent virgin mother, was the Palpatine quote intended to be derived from the Jesus movie? Or is this just a peculiar coincidence?
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Imo coincidence, but hey you never know
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but remember,
Jesus is ALWAYS good and Anikan was good for a short time then became evil for like 20 years and then ended up good and dead
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Did you know that Leonardo Decaprio was originally considered for the role of Anakin?
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...Yikes