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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: stefferweffer on May 10, 2011, 01:13:17 PM
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We've got billboards all over town talking about it, and the guy promoting it is dead serious. It will either be judgment day, or "rapture day", according to this person's calculations.
Anyway, this sure seems to go against everything the bible says about it coming as "a thief in the night" and that no one knows the day nor the hour. I'm curious how this person and his disciples rationalize their certainty with those passages.
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It better not be. That's when I'm having my birthday party (unless that's why it ends :p)
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By Camping's understanding, the Bible was dictated by God and every word and number carries a spiritual significance. He noticed that particular numbers appeared in the Bible at the same time particular themes are discussed.
The number 5, Camping concluded, equals "atonement." Ten is "completeness." Seventeen means "heaven." Camping patiently explained how he reached his conclusion for May 21, 2011. "Christ hung on the cross April 1, 33 A.D.," he began. "Now go to April 1 of 2011 A.D., and that's 1,978 years."
Camping then multiplied 1,978 by 365.2422 days - the number of days in each solar year, not to be confused with a calendar year. Next, Camping noted that April 1 to May 21 encompasses 51 days. Add 51 to the sum of previous multiplication total, and it equals 722,500.
Camping realized that (5 x 10 x 17) x (5 x 10 x 17) = 722,500.
Or put into words: (Atonement x Completeness x Heaven), squared.
"Five times 10 times 17 is telling you a story," Camping said. "It's the story from the time Christ made payment for your sins until you're completely saved.
"I tell ya, I just about fell off my chair when I realized that," Camping said.
Seems legit.
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I can't wait to hear YMT chime in on this one. What's his basis for the number's significance other than "they appear a lot." In Master's Commission, we were taught that seven was the number of completion. (Sabbath being the seventh day of the week, various sevens in Revelation, etc)
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I have already sold everything I own so I can spend it all before Jesus comes!
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Yeah...its too bad!!! I wish there was more time!!!!!!
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The biggest issue that he didn't consider is that Jesus was likely born 3-7 years before or after the year "0", based on astronomy. So he wouldn't have been on the cross on April 1, 33AD...
But yes, you are correct that no one knows for certain the day or time. People were convinced that the world would end when the new millenium began, too, but that failed to happen.
We should live our lives with a purpose, realizing that Christ's return may be any day while still planning for our futures since that day may not be one within our lifetime. :)
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wait...wha? you mean I sold all my junk for nothing and now I have to figure out how to survive after may 21st without all my "stuff"? How will I survive?
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wait...wha? you mean I sold all my junk for nothing and now I have to figure out how to survive after may 21st without all my "stuff"? How will I survive?
Perhaps, as a poor, destitute person, you should turn to the church for help. *snickersnicker*
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If you look at it a certain way, the world did befin to end at the turn of the millinium (since the first year was actually 2001 and not 2000) :p
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wait...wha? you mean I sold all my junk for nothing and now I have to figure out how to survive after may 21st without all my "stuff"? How will I survive?
Perhaps, as a poor, destitute person, you should turn to the church for help. *snickersnicker*
Better that than the government...
/intentionally provocotive response
Anyway, if Jesus comes on May 21, I hope he doesn't mind sticking around an extra week or two. At least until I can get my Goliath (P).
As to the numerology argument (ugh...I love numbers, but I hate that word), I wonder why atonement x completeness x heaven was squared. What's the biblical significance of the square function?
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I can't wait to hear YMT chime in on this one. What's his basis for the number's significance other than "they appear a lot." In Master's Commission, we were taught that seven was the number of completion. (Sabbath being the seventh day of the week, various sevens in Revelation, etc)
Multiple numbers can mean the same thing.
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I agree with the Professor that the "square" is not relevant, especially since one of the components within the square is "completeness." Why would you have to multiply it again if it was already complete?
What are the references for the siginificance of 5, 10, and 17 (other than "Crazy Author")?
I multipled and added like they said and I got 722500.0716. Therefore, May 21st will be just slightly too late. Look for the end of the world as we know it just before midnight on May 20th.
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I agree with the Professor that the "square" is not relevant, especially since one of the components within the square is "completeness." Why would you have to multiply it again if it was already complete?
What are the references for the siginificance of 5, 10, and 17 (other than "Crazy Author")?
I multipled and added like they said and I got 722500.0716. Therefore, May 21st will be just slightly too late. Look for the end of the world as we know it just before midnight on May 20th.
Here is the site (http://www.familyradio.com/index2.html) that this guy runs. I browsed the articles; there's some pretty weird stuff going on. The analysis that Rawr posted is in the article "Another Infallible Proof", second paragraph. I read a blog entry that was the first thing to come up on my Google search. It was entitled: "May 21 is Judgment Day: Says Dude who Missed Prediction in 94". Apparently Mr. Camping made a similarly outlandish claim back then, but here we are...
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Lets for a moment assume Jesus didn't say "No one knows the day or the hour" and lets look at his numbers:
I have never heard of 5, 10 and 17 being anything special in the Bible, but lets say he is right and move on.
He is randomly multiplying, why not adding or using powers? And as YMT said, where did the square come from?
Next lets look at his use of the Solar Year, after a quick read of the Wikipedia page, its not a constant 365.2422.
His use of the day Jesus died really assumes a lot, it assumes that Jesus was born in year 1, and died at 33, neither which are backed up in scripture (in fact its likely that Jesus was born a few years earlier and Jesus was about 30 when he started his ministry and he celebrated 3 recorded passovers).
His reasoning is first of all going against what Jesus himself said, secondly its using what could have been random numbers put together in a random way to produce a result that if you add this number of days (also why not hours or years for that matter) to an assumed date (with little historical or biblical backing) you get May 21 2011.
This is just as arbitrary as saying that it will happen August 14 2167.
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I can prove the unprovability of Judgement day:
T = X> where T = time, X =/= 1 or 0, and > stands for whatever God, the greater power, wishes it to be.
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I hope not, I have a film to make on the 27th!
But no, I don't. Lies, lies, lies! Just another sign we're in the end.
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I agree with the Professor that the "square" is not relevant, especially since one of the components within the square is "completeness." Why would you have to multiply it again if it was already complete?
What are the references for the siginificance of 5, 10, and 17 (other than "Crazy Author")?
I multipled and added like they said and I got 722500.0716. Therefore, May 21st will be just slightly too late. Look for the end of the world as we know it just before midnight on May 20th.
Right during the first show of the new Pirates movie... :D
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It doesn't matter whether it happens om the 21st or Dec 21 2012 as the aztecs thought. The real question should be:ARE YOU READY?
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Well put...that is the real issue at hand for each of us.
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It doesn't matter whether it happens om the 21st or Dec 21 2012 as the aztecs thought. The real question should be:ARE YOU READY?
+1
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Gabe should dress up in white robes and go troll some of these people ;)
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This theory seems about as sound to me as the Mayan calendar argument. "The calendar ends of December 21 2012 that must be when the world ends!" Yeah. Could be. Or maybe they just took a break from making a calendar that was all ready hundreds of years in to the future and didn't get back to work before they got wiped out. By the way for being so great at predicting events they really dropped the ball on that one huh?
With this guy it seems to be a little different because he has "math" to back up his story but as many many people have said on here already considering we can't even be sure Christ was born in 1 A.D. it's pretty hard to say how many years it's been since he was crucified. The modern calendar system wasn't made until many years after the crucifixion and considering at the time of his death very few people (on a global scale) had heard of him, and even fewer believed he was the Son of God I find it hard to believe anyone kept such close track of his birth and death for a few hundred years and then based a calendar off those dates. It was probably an estimation. "Hey how long ago was Christ Crucified?" "I don't know, hundred years or so?" "okay it's 100 A.D. mark it down spread the word
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That's a fine first paragraph if the Aztecs had made the calender. But it turns out it was the Mayans.
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That's a fine first paragraph if the Aztecs had made the calender. But it turns out it was the Mayans.
*selfcensored* ill change that. I stopped following that whole thing a long time ago, its the same info i just messed up the names
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It matters in the sense that Mayans got crushed about 800 years before Cortez. It's nice to at least be historically accurate.
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It matters in the sense that Mayans got crushed about 800 years before Cortez. It's nice to at least be historically accurate.
....i dislike you
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Flavor txt: The Mayan Calender ends on that date, yes, but.... it's because they believe the earth will be reborn. So not exactly the end of the world...
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The Current Cycle of the Mayan Long count ends on December 21, 2012, that has little to do with the Mayan idea of the end of the world, it would be similar to saying that the world will end on December 31 of any year because that's when the current cycle of our calender ends.
I like what Sadness said, it doesn't matter when it will happen so long as we are ready.
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From what I've heard, it's more akin to 1999 turning into 2000, not so much Dec. 31 to Jan. 1.
But there's a bazillion theories out there. I doubt anything will happen. We'd be better off waiting until 2061, at least then we get a good show if we're wrong.
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Gabe should dress up in white robes and go troll some of these people ;)
Or put lots of clothes all over the place, like they got raptured. 8)
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Just turn off all the lights and blow a trumpet.
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Gabe should dress up in white robes and go troll some of these people ;)
Or put lots of clothes all over the place, like they got raptured. 8)
The band "Hyland" did that for April Fools to one of their band members. Pretty funny.
Gabe could most def troll some people though. He's already an icon in biblical art...
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Gabe should dress up in white robes and go troll some of these people ;)
Or put lots of clothes all over the place, like they got raptured. 8)
The band "Hyland" did that for April Fools to one of their band members. Pretty funny.
Gabe could most def troll some people though. He's already an icon in biblical art...
Exactly,
He looks just like stereotypical white Jesus
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Gabe should dress up in white robes and go troll some of these people ;)
Or put lots of clothes all over the place, like they got raptured. 8)
The band "Hyland" did that for April Fools to one of their band members. Pretty funny.
Gabe could most def troll some people though. He's already an icon in biblical art...
Exactly,
He looks just like stereotypical GREEN Jesus...
...Cucumber FTW
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We've got billboards all over town talking about it, and the guy promoting it is dead serious. It will either be judgment day, or "rapture day", according to this person's calculations.
Anyway, this sure seems to go against everything the bible says about it coming as "a thief in the night" and that no one knows the day nor the hour. I'm curious how this person and his disciples rationalize their certainty with those passages.
Here is my Answer:
- If you can point out one scripture in the bible that judgement day is 5/21/11 then, ok. But I am pretty sure that there is no specific date that that will happen. In fact, we are told that he will come like a Theif inthe Night, at an hour NO ONE knows.
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The senior pastor at my church thought about asking him to speak at our church May 22...
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Well... the other fault is that man created the calendar after the Bible was written... Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put it past God to pre-calculate the numbers, but come on, the calendar/timeline we use today didn't even exist back then. Humans naturally see what they want to see, and we also naturally see patterns. You can look at a completely randomly spotted ceiling tile and make out some sort of pattern if you looked at it long enough.
Carry On,
-C_S
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http://youtu.be/soEpHNkqvaM
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Well... the other fault is that man created the calendar after the Bible was written... Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put it past God to pre-calculate the numbers, but come on, the calendar/timeline we use today didn't even exist back then. Humans naturally see what they want to see, and we also naturally see patterns. You can look at a completely randomly spotted ceiling tile and make out some sort of pattern if you looked at it long enough.
Carry On,
-C_S
example: seeing jesus or mary in a tortilla or pizz or a stain on a wall etc
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Larger excerpt from a newspaper article on the subject:
"Theologians have a technical term for such a person. We call them loonies. The New Testament is less charitable and calls them false prophets. The return of Christ is a precious doctrine to Christians and this nonsense trivializes it. We can say with some certainty that May 21 is a day that Christ will not return, as He tells us He will come when no one is expecting him. I confess that I did consider asking Camping to speak at Autumn Ridge on May 22. Christians can be confident that Jesus will return on his timetable, not on Mr. Camping's.
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Uh-oh. Either I got left behind or it didn't happen. ;)
I heard that he was now changing to October 31 for the new "rapture" date. Funny because he predicted the world was going to end 17 years ago too.
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http://youtu.be/soEpHNkqvaM
The video was removed :laugh: