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Title: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Lawfuldog on July 20, 2010, 01:06:06 AM
Anyone else see Inception yet? It's by far one of the best movies I've seen and it has earned its place as #2 on my favorite movie list, only behind #1 which is The Dark Knight coincidentally.

Not to spoil anything, but the only complaint I have is the last 10 seconds of the movie. But the simultaneous "WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" at the end of the movie made me chuckle.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on July 20, 2010, 10:01:33 AM
It was definately one of the best movies I have seen in a long time. I am unsure of its exact place in my hierarchy, but it is certainly at least top ten material.

You didn't like the ending? I thought it was very appropriate. Considering the basic theme of "What is real?", I thought the idea that reality might be a dream in and of itself was a worthy way to end the movie.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on July 29, 2010, 01:06:33 AM
I really, really enjoyed Inception when I went to see it today, I believe that it will become our generations version of Bladerunner.

There is equal (In my mind anyway) evidence for both camps (Dream and Reality) and a multitude of situations that can be analyzed for both camps.

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Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on July 29, 2010, 01:19:11 AM
I don't think that the movie is best viewed in such a harsh, contrasting view such as dream and reality. One of the most livid criticisms I have heard from Christian sources is that the movie trivializes suicide (You kill yourself to get out of dreams, etc, etc). I think that the line of thought behind that criticism is what makes the movie so unique and powerful. Ultimately, Inception is asking you "What is reality?" For Cobb, reality had become his sedated dreams of Mal, and by the end of the movie, his reality was back onto "the real world", or at least his children. I think that when you examine Cobb's character progression, you find a character who is supposed to be the viewer. Ariadne functions as the viewer in some parts in order to explicitly discuss the "physics" of the dreamworld, but I think Nolan is truly guiding us on a quest for real. Nolan has masterfully guided us, in the guise of Cobb, into a search for what is the reality of life, what truly matters. Ultimately for Cobb, it was the reality that he was reunited with his children, be it in dream or reality. In contrast, Mal's reality was that there is no reality. I think the main drive of the story is supposed to create a thought inside the viewer of what exactly real truly means. Cobb repeatedly states that if you are in a dream for so long, it no longer is a dream, but a life. I think that line is a good summary of the overall message and theme of the movie - reality is what you make of it.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on July 29, 2010, 01:31:55 AM
I would tend to agree that those aren't the best terms to view it in, however inevitably that will be the way that it is discussed. I don't really disagree with any of your points - But I don't think Cobb is the viewer - Fischer is. Cobb acts more as a director, taking him through the story, tricking his mind, forcing him to ask what reality is. Fischer has the revelation of emotion at the end with the wheel. Then Cobb gets to go home (as a director would after finishing filming)


Also, this is just my initial reaction after seeing it the first time around. I'll need to see it at least twice more before I can solidify my opinions on it. The first time I watched to watch, now I'll need to watch to understand.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on July 29, 2010, 01:38:25 AM
You should read  this (http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html) article. It's another really interesting idea on the dream theory.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on July 29, 2010, 01:43:04 AM
I'm trying not to read any articles until after I've seen it at least a second time to cement my own ideas. But I'll keep it in mind.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on July 29, 2010, 01:43:18 AM
I think it was ok. I wouldn't give it as high of ratings as everyone else seems to be. Maybe 7 our of 10 or so?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on July 29, 2010, 01:47:32 AM
I'm trying not to read any articles until after I've seen it at least a second time to cement my own ideas. But I'll keep it in mind.

Ahh. I might go see it again tommorow and view it in light of the various articles I have read, to see if it helps elucidate specific theories. I saw it in IMAX last time though, and I don't want to cough up that money again, but if I don't it will look only half as good I am afraid.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on July 29, 2010, 01:48:32 AM
I've never been a big fan of IMAX. I'll probably see it over the weekend again.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: goldencomet on July 30, 2010, 04:05:03 PM
my only complaints are the holes in the movie, as well as the science never explained since i am a sucker for the science
Hole: the totems. She made it then it was never shown again. What is the point? a concept that vanished from the movie
no science: it never actually said HOW people got in the other's dream. so strange. also the moment one realizes they are in a dream, their conscience becomes active (called lucid dreaming) and they can make the dream into whatever they want. They should have at least thrown SOMETHING in there to explain the whole idea. All they used was theoretics   :P
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on August 01, 2010, 03:46:25 PM
If you think the totems where unimportant then you must have fallen asleep half way through the movie....
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on August 01, 2010, 03:52:16 PM
my only complaints are the holes in the movie, as well as the science never explained since i am a sucker for the science
Hole: the totems. She made it then it was never shown again. What is the point? a concept that vanished from the movie
no science: it never actually said HOW people got in the other's dream. so strange. also the moment one realizes they are in a dream, their conscience becomes active (called lucid dreaming) and they can make the dream into whatever they want. They should have at least thrown SOMETHING in there to explain the whole idea. All they used was theoretics   :P


You realize that seeing as it is fantasy, spoiling specifics would simply make the movie less believable, right?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on August 01, 2010, 04:13:17 PM
Anyone else see Inception yet? It's by far one of the best movies I've seen and it has earned its place as #2 on my favorite movie list, only behind #1 which is The Dark Knight coincidentally.
in my top ten for sure, but Batman Begins is definitely my number 1. TDK is #5.

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Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on August 01, 2010, 04:34:14 PM
Anyone else see Inception yet? It's by far one of the best movies I've seen and it has earned its place as #2 on my favorite movie list, only behind #1 which is The Dark Knight coincidentally.
in my top ten for sure, but Batman Begins is definitely my number 1. TDK is #5.

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dude BB stunk
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on August 01, 2010, 04:42:36 PM
Anyone else see Inception yet? It's by far one of the best movies I've seen and it has earned its place as #2 on my favorite movie list, only behind #1 which is The Dark Knight coincidentally.
in my top ten for sure, but Batman Begins is definitely my number 1. TDK is #5.

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dude BB sucked
LIES. it had ninjas, awesome character development, ninjas, an intense enemy (fear itself), ninjas, music by Hans Zimmer, ninjas, Alfred. and NINJAZZZZ
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on August 01, 2010, 05:13:35 PM
In the end, his kids look exactly the same as he remembered them years ago... hmm.....
Maybe the top was Mal's totem, and his totem was his children's faces... hmm.....

IMO, Cobb was the target for inception.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: LadyNobody on August 01, 2010, 05:15:00 PM
So I saw Inception last night with the good Professor, and man did I have some weird dreams last night...haha   ::)

It was definitely one of the best movies I have ever seen. The storyline and execution were pure awesomeness. The whole theater shook at some points. The guy next nearly jumped out of his seat several times, which was sort of entertaining, actually. Then at the end, the whole theater took one collective gasp. So good.

~Britta

Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on August 01, 2010, 05:42:42 PM
Anyone else see Inception yet? It's by far one of the best movies I've seen and it has earned its place as #2 on my favorite movie list, only behind #1 which is The Dark Knight coincidentally.
in my top ten for sure, but Batman Begins is definitely my number 1. TDK is #5.

Spoiler (hover to show)
dude BB sucked
LIES. it had ninjas, awesome character development, ninjas, an intense enemy (fear itself), ninjas, music by Hans Zimmer, ninjas, Alfred. and NINJAZZZZ
That would be great if I could see what was going on
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on August 02, 2010, 12:19:38 AM
dude BB sucked
LIES. it had ninjas, awesome character development, ninjas, an intense enemy (fear itself), ninjas, music by Hans Zimmer, ninjas, Alfred. and NINJAZZZZ
That would be great if I could see what was going on
A. Bubbleboy doesn't suck. he's one pretty cool guy. B. They're ninjas. you aren't supposed to see them. duhh. and C. when was the last time you watched that movie? I've never had a problem with seeing what's happening.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on August 02, 2010, 03:07:36 AM
I only read the thread, not any posts. I just saw this movie a few hours ago... AMAZING.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: sk on August 02, 2010, 05:09:38 AM
Unquestionably the best thing I've seen this year.  Unless the Coens or Eastwood have an epic hit, this thing will sweep the Academy Awards.  I need to give it some time before deciding whether I think it is "all-time greatest" material, but at the moment, I think it might be.

Many people have been comparing this to The Matrix, but that isn't accurate at all.  The closest thing I've seen to it is a Polish film from 2001, Avalon (which had somebody getting confused between reality and a computer simulation, and included an identical trick ending), but this is clearly a better picture than either.  Stellar cast, direction, and cinematography -- something I've come to expect from Nolan's cronies.  The fight scene with Joseph Gordon-Levitt was amazing, and I really hope that his surprisingly minor role in the film is because Nolan is grooming him for a role in Batman 3 (or any other Nolan project for that matter).

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As for why the science and tech weren't explained, Alex is right on.  There is a "rule" in storytelling based on Star Trek: if the characters in the world accept their tech as real, we will too.  That is why we don't need explanations from Walter as to why his zany ideas work on Fringe, or why we never see diagrams as to how the DeLorean actually time travels -- the viewer is willing to just accept the tech since they can remain focused on the story and characters.  (I do agree that people like the science, and that's exactly why there are movies and shows that do this, but it makes it harder for general audiences to both become emotionally attached to the characters and focus on the story's ideologies when you're paying attention to how things work.)

On a side note, I was required to take two psychoanalysis of film courses in college.  I'm glad I got through those before this film came out or I'd be sick of this thing pretty quickly.  I've never really subscribed to the idea that the mind treats a film as it would a dream, which I could yammer about for too long, but Nolan certainly has me thinking.

PS - If anybody has seen Avalon, PM me with what you think.

I saw it in IMAX last time though, and I don't want to cough up that money again, but if I don't it will look only half as good I am afraid.
FWIW, unlike much of The Dark Knight, this wasn't shot on IMAX cameras... just normal 35mm ones.  It may look better at its native resolution, unless you simply like the oversized screen.  I had no complaints at 35mm.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on August 02, 2010, 09:47:30 AM
Yeah, I know it was not shot in IMAX, but I do enjoy the larger screen that fills your entire vision, as well as less previews  ::)
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: crustpope on August 03, 2010, 02:22:17 AM
the one thing worse than having the science not explained is when they explain the science and it is stupid.  IF I have to watch a movie that uses 'Unobtanium" as some exotic metal that has fantastical properties...I think I am gonna puke.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 03, 2010, 02:37:11 AM
Saw it last Tuesday... I'm still having a difficult time deciding whether or not I actually liked the movie.  The FX were really good, but I severely dislike most things related to secular Philosophy.  I'm a very analytical person and I tend to think of things in a VERY logical manner and Philosophy is based on Logical Arguments.  Rather, it's based on coming up with an argument/theory that seemingly cannot be disputed by logic. 

A lot of things went on in Inception and I'm starting to lean towards disliking it... just like I dislike the Dark Knight <- (But that's because everyone hyped it up so much before I saw it.  I ended up having super high expectations for it and was quite disappointed once I actually saw it).

But that's just me, the weirdest person known to have ever existed.

-C_S
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on August 04, 2010, 04:58:41 AM
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A lot of things went on in Inception and I'm starting to lean towards disliking it... just like I dislike the Dark Knight <- (But that's because everyone hyped it up so much before I saw it.  I ended up having super high expectations for it and was quite disappointed once I actually saw it).
It was hyped up so much b/c it was one of the best movies ever made...
Anyway I don't really see your point being valid on inception. It's about dreams, not a Philosophy IMO.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 04, 2010, 05:44:59 AM
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A lot of things went on in Inception and I'm starting to lean towards disliking it... just like I dislike the Dark Knight <- (But that's because everyone hyped it up so much before I saw it.  I ended up having super high expectations for it and was quite disappointed once I actually saw it).
It was hyped up so much b/c it was one of the best movies ever made...
Anyway I don't really see your point being valid on inception. It's about dreams, not a Philosophy IMO.

Well, the whole idea of life potentially being a dream stems from Descartes' Dream Theory.  Actually, the Matrix was pretty much based completely off Descartes; even some of the lines in the movie.  Descartes was/is a famous philosopher, and this movie reminds me of a few philosophical arguments.  Thus, my dislike of it.  And everyone in the world but me seemed to like the Dark Knight, so don't fret. 
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on August 04, 2010, 11:38:17 AM
So because the movie reminded you of The Matrix you don't like it?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 04, 2010, 03:38:21 PM
So because the movie reminded you of The Matrix you don't like it?

No, I said it's because it reminds me of a few philosophical arguments.  I'm not a fan of secular philosophy.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Kyp Henderson on August 04, 2010, 04:02:02 PM
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  And everyone in the world but me seemed to like the Dark Knight, so don't fret. 

Finally!  Someone else who agrees!
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 04, 2010, 04:13:19 PM
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  And everyone in the world but me seemed to like the Dark Knight, so don't fret. 

Finally!  Someone else who agrees!

Yay! The beginning of the I Really Disliked the Dark Knight Movie Because Everyone Hyped it Up (Or I.R.D.D.K.M.B.E.H.U for short) Clan!!
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Kyp Henderson on August 04, 2010, 07:45:37 PM
So what secret handshake are we going to have?  What secret password?  Or is it just not going to be a secret!  :o
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 04, 2010, 07:47:17 PM
So what secret handshake are we going to have?  What secret password?  Or is it just not going to be a secret!  :o

I'm not sure yet... but I have a feeling our conversation is being watched.  ESPIONAGE!!!!
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Ironica on August 04, 2010, 10:55:21 PM
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  And everyone in the world but me seemed to like the Dark Knight, so don't fret. 

Finally!  Someone else who agrees!

I guess you can call me a convert :P.  I first loved the movie but after watching a movie that was soaked in prayer and I could see God working through it, I was convicted about how dark TDK was (plus a couple other movies I had).  I ended up getting rid of them.

As for Inception, I was looking forward to it until I read about all the suicide parts (especially near the end).  I lived with it for a long time so I don't like to watch movies that heavily involves it.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on August 04, 2010, 11:01:25 PM
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  And everyone in the world but me seemed to like the Dark Knight, so don't fret. 

Finally!  Someone else who agrees!

I guess you can call me a convert :P.  I first loved the movie but after watching a movie that was soaked in prayer and I could see God working through it, I was convicted about how dark TDK was (plus a couple other movies I had).  I ended up getting rid of them.

As for Inception, I was looking forward to it until I read about all the suicide parts (especially near the end).  I lived with it for a long time so I don't like to watch movies that heavily involves it.

The Christian media has been talking up the suicide to get out of dreams, but frankly, I didn't see it being that big a deal or trivializing suicide. I understand you not wanting to see it having expirienced it, but after seeing the movie, I see that criticism a straw gasp to add an additional bad item to a movie that the Christian reviewers view as based on bad philosophical thought.

Just my  :2cents:
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on August 05, 2010, 02:39:47 AM
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As for Inception, I was looking forward to it until I read about all the suicide parts (especially near the end).
Go see it, don't go off someone else's opinion, especially if you wanted to originally see it. There was not suicide in it.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on August 05, 2010, 02:56:41 AM
The thing you have to realize about christian media "reviewers" is that they will make a huge deal about anything and blow it way out of proportion.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: sk on August 05, 2010, 03:20:05 AM
There was not suicide in it.

I'm pretty sure there was, although it depends on your interpretation.  One person is shown jumping to what is said to be their death near the climax of the film, and they speak as though they are committing suicide, but I've seen several alternate interpretations that say otherwise.  It sure looks that way, though.  Although it was only a few moments, I could certainly see it being uncomfortable (to say the least).
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Prof Underwood on August 05, 2010, 09:29:06 AM
The thing you have to realize about christian media "reviewers" is that they will make a huge deal about anything and blow it way out of proportion.
The thing you have to realize about Christian teenagers is that they will try to compartmentalize their lives so that they can lead lives of holiness in some areas, while in other areas they can continue to follow their natural desires instead of wanting God's best.

In order to not feel badly about this inconsistency in their lives they will try to minimize the sinfulness that is glorified in movies/games/music/etc. that they want to listen to, and will blow off the advice of Christian media reviewers and other more experienced Christians that God has put in their lives for them to learn from.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 05, 2010, 12:51:40 PM
The thing you have to realize about christian media "reviewers" is that they will make a huge deal about anything and blow it way out of proportion.
The thing you have to realize about Christian teenagers is that they will try to compartmentalize their lives so that they can lead lives of holiness in some areas, while in other areas they can continue to follow their natural desires instead of wanting God's best.

In order to not feel badly about this inconsistency in their lives they will try to minimize the sinfulness that is glorified in movies/games/music/etc. that they want to listen to, and will blow off the advice of Christian media reviewers and other more experienced Christians that God has put in their lives for them to learn from.

Ouch... I'd say that's a win but I hardly got the impression that suicide was "trivial."  In fact, up until I started reading this topic on the forum, Inception being related to suicide never crossed my mind (And believe me, I've had to deal with suicide stuff personally).  Anytime in my dreams when I supposedly "die," I wake up.  Whenever I get injured in my dreams, I don't feel it.  It made complete sense to me that the way you exit a dream is either by death, or the dream collapsing due to waking/consciousness of the dream.  For very young audiences, I can see where there is A LOT of stuff in Inception that would need explaining, but being that I'm 19, I never got the impression via Inception that suicide was ok.

-C_S
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on August 05, 2010, 02:09:28 PM
Okay then....
This is a direct quote from focus on the Family's review of Inception
 Layer 2: Inception's content centers on its suicide-fueled violence—which trivializes the act of self-annihilation. In doing so, we're forced to a place where, looking through the eyes of some characters, suicide appears to be a convenient, beneficial out from a reality you don't want anymore: Let's scrap this world, because the real one—presumably a better one—lies beyond. In this ethos, suicide isn't an act of desperation or despair, but one of hope and promise. So I can't help but wonder how someone who is already toying with the idea of ending it all would view this film—if they might look through the eyes of a "suicidal" character and find their own tragic longings mirrored there.

Too all who have seen Inception:
Is this true?
Do any characters (other than that one) commit suicide?
Does the movie actually encourage suicide?
Or does it show suicide as a horrible thing that ruins lives?
I've wrestled with severe depression and suicidal thoughts for years and I saw nothing that encourages suicide in the movie
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on August 05, 2010, 02:15:46 PM
No that review is way out of proportion and taken to an extreme. There is no actual suicide. I repeat: NO ACTUAL SUICIDE. I can not explain it due to spoilers so I will not give details but it is not suicide whatsoever. The movie's setting is a dream! So how could you commit suicide in a dream? That review is just trying to bash a film because they took it the wrong way. It is a great movie, yes some wards are in it, but other than that great movie, not gory or anything. Anyone contemplating suicide would not say, "Hey it's a friday night, I'm gonna go see a movie." That review does not say one good thing about the movie. It has great effects, a great story line, and superb acting. Where was all that in the review? All it did was say, there is suicide so do not watch it because if you are sad you will kill yourself. Did I just take their review a little too literal? Well they took the movie too literal as well.
/ end rant
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 05, 2010, 02:31:51 PM

Too all who have seen Inception:
Is this true?
Do any characters (other than that one) commit suicide?
Does the movie actually encourage suicide?
Or does it show suicide as a horrible thing that ruins lives?
I've wrestled with severe depression and suicidal thoughts for years and I saw nothing that encourages suicide in the movie

I saw the movie, and no, just that one.  If anything, I'd say the theme of the movie was "It's ok to kill other people; after all, it's only a dream."  <- That's sarcasm people.  No, the only thing I personally would be worried about is the idea of not being secure in what your perception of reality is.  If this movie makes you think that right now, you are dreaming, and that you need to do something about that, then yeah, there's a problem.  However, the movie was very tactful in explaining why you AREN'T in a dream
Spoiler (hover to show)
, and I'd only be worried about very young audiences being exposed to the philosophy of losing grasp on reality because you don't know for sure whether or not you're awake.  :)  ...Or are you? :D
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: TheJaylor on August 05, 2010, 02:41:16 PM
that long post made me a bit sleepy but otherwise i'm wide awake ;)
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 05, 2010, 04:42:45 PM
that long post made me a bit sleepy but otherwise i'm wide awake ;)

Which one haha!!
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: sk on August 05, 2010, 07:34:28 PM
Okay, here's a brief summary of the scene.  At the time the scene is shown, it is presented as if reality, but you can decide for yourself if it would bug you:
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The film doesn't encourage suicide, showing it as something that destroyed Cobb's life, relationship with his kids, etc, and presents the person that jumped as being somewhat crazy and confused.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Ironica on August 05, 2010, 09:06:44 PM
Mr Hiatus:

Did you happen to read the entire review or just what was posted?  If you haven't read the whole thing, then you can't really judge it.

Also, some people do go do something fun one last time before committing suicide. There is a girl who desiced to do one last fun thing before commiting suicide so she went to a Skillet concert. After hearing the song "Last Night", she gave her life to Christ.  The point of the story (for this discussion anyways) is that you can never say for certain what people will do before going through with it.

Back to the review now.

From what I read, the reviewer actually liked the movie. They were just giving a warning about that aspect of the movie (which is their job).
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on August 05, 2010, 09:19:06 PM
Mr Hiatus:

Did you happen to read the entire review or just what was posted?  If you haven't read the whole thing, then you can't really judge it.

Also, some people do go do something fun one last time before committing suicide. There is a girl who desiced to do one last fun thing before commiting suicide so she went to a Skillet concert. After hearing the song "Last Night", she gave her life to Christ.  The point of the story (for this discussion anyways) is that you can never say for certain what people will do before going through with it.
Did you actually see the movie?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 05, 2010, 09:25:33 PM
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  And everyone in the world but me seemed to like the Dark Knight, so don't fret. 

Finally!  Someone else who agrees!

I guess you can call me a convert :P.  I first loved the movie but after watching a movie that was soaked in prayer and I could see God working through it, I was convicted about how dark TDK was (plus a couple other movies I had).  I ended up getting rid of them.

As for Inception, I was looking forward to it until I read about all the suicide parts (especially near the end).  I lived with it for a long time so I don't like to watch movies that heavily involves it.

Yay!! We're 3 members strong now!!
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on August 05, 2010, 09:34:39 PM
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Did you happen to read the entire review or just what was posted?  If you haven't read the whole thing, then you can't really judge it.
Of course I only read what was posted because that was the point of the conversation at the time, and what was being argued. It was just part of the review that he posted, and I only commented on that part. So why would I go read a whole review when he posted only an excerpt, because that excerpt was the only part of the review that we were discussing. To sum it up, he posted a part of the review that had to do with what we were talking about, so why go read the rest of a review if it is not about what we are discussing?
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Also, some people do go do something fun one last time before committing suicide.
Ok you are comparing a Skillet concert to going and see a movie... 
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Did you actually see the movie?
If you're asking me, then yes I saw it.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on August 05, 2010, 09:36:15 PM
I was asking Ironica
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on August 05, 2010, 10:50:45 PM
Too all who have seen Inception:
Is this true?
Do any characters (other than that one) commit suicide?
Does the movie actually encourage suicide?
Or does it show suicide as a horrible thing that ruins lives?
I've wrestled with severe depression and suicidal thoughts for years and I saw nothing that encourages suicide in the movie

1. Yes, it could be seen as trivializing suicide since the entire plot is predacated on the theory that nothing is truly real. If nothing is real, suicide is fine. So, the review has a somewhat valid point.

2. It would depend on what you define as encourage.

3. Yes, but it also seems to suggest that the suicide in question may have been a dream and therefore not real.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on August 05, 2010, 11:14:14 PM
where did you get the "nothing is real concept"?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on August 05, 2010, 11:31:55 PM
where did you get the "nothing is real concept"?

Did you even see the movie? The entire movie is predicated the idea that we do not know what reality is, that reality is whatever we want it to be, and by extension, the only things that are real to us are things we accept as real. Essentially, if your "real" is commiting suicide, than that is your reality.

That is why the top is not shown falling at the end of the movie - ultimately it does not matter if Cobb is in "actual" reality or not - he has accepted wherever he is as his reality and has found internal peace and the ability to again be with his children.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: BubbleBoy on August 05, 2010, 11:41:28 PM
I just saw Inception today. It was just as good as expected, probably the best movie since The Dark Knight. I thought that I would have trouble following, as I usually do with psychological movies, but I actually did just fine. I could pretty easily keep track of what was going on at all times. But this is a movie you can easliy watch twice and still extract a lot of depth from.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on August 05, 2010, 11:45:53 PM
I just saw Inception today. It was just as good as expected, probably the best movie since The Dark Knight. I thought that I would have trouble following, as I usually do with psychological movies, but I actually did just fine. I could pretty easily keep track of what was going on at all times. But this is a movie you can easliy watch twice and still extract a lot of depth from.

I have to ask then - was it all a dream or was reality shown at all during the movie?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: BubbleBoy on August 05, 2010, 11:55:36 PM
was it all a dream or was reality shown at all during the movie?
The end leaves you guessing, but I'd like to say reality was shown.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on August 06, 2010, 12:02:20 AM
was it all a dream or was reality shown at all during the movie?
The end leaves you guessing, but I'd like to say reality was shown.
When why did his kids look the same as he had remembered, many years prior >:c.

Same clothes and everything >:c.

>:c
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on August 06, 2010, 12:03:52 AM
I think this whole discussion is not valid due to the movie being able to be perceived in so many different views.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Ironica on August 06, 2010, 12:24:47 AM
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Did you happen to read the entire review or just what was posted?  If you haven't read the whole thing, then you can't really judge it.
Of course I only read what was posted because that was the point of the conversation at the time, and what was being argued. It was just part of the review that he posted, and I only commented on that part. So why would I go read a whole review when he posted only an excerpt, because that excerpt was the only part of the review that we were discussing. To sum it up, he posted a part of the review that had to do with what we were talking about, so why go read the rest of a review if it is not about what we are discussing?

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That review is just trying to bash a film because they took it the wrong way.

That quote, in the context of your rant, made it seem like you were bashing the entire review.  If you have read the review, you will see the following quote right before Layer 2:

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The concept of a dream within a dream is an important one for Inception. Cobb and his cohorts construct dreams like nesting dolls to confuse their subjects. Wake up, you're still dreaming. Wake up again, and you may be dreaming still. Each dream-layer accesses a deeper level of subconscious.

A proper critique, then, demands the same treatment.

Layer 1: Artistically, Inception is one of the year's most provocative, compelling films. The story's the thing here—so strong that the film's topnotch cast and stunning visual effects serve it without overwhelming it. Directed by The Dark Knight's Christopher Nolan, Inception aspires to art without relinquishing its popcorn-munching bona fides. It's a film that'll likely resonate with critics and moviegoers alike.

Also note the quote again that you ranted about:

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So I can't help but wonder how someone who is already toying with the idea of ending it all would view this film—if they might look through the eyes of a "suicidal" character and find their own tragic longings mirrored there.

The whole point of your rant seems to be centered on the reviewer just thinking out load.  He was not saying that it will happen but that he was wondering if it would happen.

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Also, some people do go do something fun one last time before committing suicide.
Ok you are comparing a Skillet concert to going and see a movie... 

That was in response to this line:

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Anyone contemplating suicide would not say, "Hey it's a friday night, I'm gonna go see a movie."

I was trying to point out that some people, before going through with it, do one last fun thing.  So it would be possible that they would go see a movie before they do it.  I wasn't trying to compare a concert to a movie.

Regardless if the movie was meant to be a dream or not, watching two people putting there heads onto a train track while a train is coming is still something I chose not to watch.

Please know that I am not trying to get people to not watch the movie.  I'm just getting tired of coming to these message boards (which most people claim to be Christians) bashing a Christian site that is meant to help other believers keep their mind clear of junk and for parents to know whats in a movie before they let their kids see it.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on August 06, 2010, 12:36:00 AM
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Okay then....
This is a direct quote from focus on the Family's review of Inception
 Layer 2: Inception's content centers on its suicide-fueled violence—which trivializes the act of self-annihilation. In doing so, we're forced to a place where, looking through the eyes of some characters, suicide appears to be a convenient, beneficial out from a reality you don't want anymore: Let's scrap this world, because the real one—presumably a better one—lies beyond. In this ethos, suicide isn't an act of desperation or despair, but one of hope and promise. So I can't help but wonder how someone who is already toying with the idea of ending it all would view this film—if they might look through the eyes of a "suicidal" character and find their own tragic longings mirrored there.
This is your review you posted. In no where did you say, hey go read the rest of this review. And then you asked questions based on this excerpt of the review, meaning (to me) that the rest of the review was insignificant to the discussion.

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I was trying to point out that some people, before going through with it, do one last fun thing.  So it would be possible that they would go see a movie before they do it.  I wasn't trying to compare a concert to a movie.
Well we think very differently, because I think someone contemplating suicide does not go out to a movie before hand. But that's just me.
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Regardless if the movie was meant to be a dream or not, watching two people putting there heads onto a train track while a train is coming is still something I chose not to watch.
This is completely out of context. The train wreck was a kick to get her out of Limbo, not suicide.
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I'm just getting tired of coming to these message boards (which most people claim to be Christians) bashing a Christian site that is meant to help other believers keep their mind clear of junk and for parents to know whats in a movie before they let their kids see it.
I'm tired of people going to extremes and not letting things go. I think some review site, ANY NOT JUST CHRISTIAN, go too in depth sometimes when they find it offending and take parts of the movie out of context.
/end bash /end rant
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on August 06, 2010, 12:46:26 AM
Please know that I am not trying to get people to not watch the movie.  I'm just getting tired of coming to these message boards (which most people claim to be Christians) bashing a Christian site that is meant to help other believers keep their mind clear of junk and for parents to know whats in a movie before they let their kids see it.
I tired of christian sites twisting fact to suit their needs

@ Rawr
 You should find these interesting
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/fullcredits#cast)  look at the stuff about the kids
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/08/inception_costume_designer_rev.html (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/08/inception_costume_designer_rev.html)

@ Alex
so you're saying Cobb wanted to be separated from his wife and kids?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on August 06, 2010, 12:54:06 AM
Two different actors played Michelle in Full House, but I don't think that she was noticeably different episode to episode >:c
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Prof Underwood on August 06, 2010, 12:56:54 AM
I think some review site, ANY NOT JUST CHRISTIAN, go too in depth sometimes when they find it offending and take parts of the movie out of context.
I don't think it's going too in depth to warn parents that suicide is being portrayed in a movie.  That is something that they deserve to know.

I tired of christian sites twisting fact to suit their needs
I'm tired of Christian teens twisting the Christian worldview to suit their desires.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on August 06, 2010, 01:01:18 AM
I'm tired of Christian adults deciding that their interpretation of Christianity forms the exact worldview that said Christian teens should be following.

I mean, c'mon on, didn't we just have this debate?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 06, 2010, 01:04:34 AM
Ya know, I honestly forgot about the train stuff, jumping off the building thing, etc...  But you wanna know why that is?  Because it's a movie, I'm old enough to discern what is true and what is false, and I'm not a fan of the movie.  The movie has an "R" rating, which means it's not for kiddies.  Seriously, there's more to be concerned about in the Lion King (I like that movie) and other animated cartoons that are rated PG and are geared for children.  Everyone has their own convictions about what God wants them to/not do, and it's up to each one of us to listen and follow our convictions (With caution).  If you are young in the faith and haven't spiritually matured, you should be very cautious about what you view.  

Oh my goodness, I got WAY serious up there :O
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on August 06, 2010, 01:10:42 AM
Please know that I am not trying to get people to not watch the movie.  I'm just getting tired of coming to these message boards (which most people claim to be Christians) bashing a Christian site that is meant to help other believers keep their mind clear of junk and for parents to know whats in a movie before they let their kids see it.
I tired of christian sites twisting fact to suit their needs

@ Rawr
 You should find these interesting
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/fullcredits#cast)  look at the stuff about the kids
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/08/inception_costume_designer_rev.html (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/08/inception_costume_designer_rev.html)

@ Alex
so you're saying Cobb wanted to be separated from his wife and kids?

To be frank, it's pretty clear no matter what anyone says you are going to hold to your (incorrect) viewpoint, but here we go anyway.

1. Christian review sites exist because Hollywood does not think about Christian parenting when they make movies. If your young child wants to see a movie, you not privy to the exact details of the movie. In a world where many movies push the limits of violence, sexual content (without nudity), and objectionable (to Christians) content, or simply present a non-Christian or anti-Christian viewpoint, parents are forced to rely on sites like PluggedIn, who use vast resources to review every major motion picture to find objectionable content. The situation they are in is simply. They can not sign off on a movie unless there is NOTHING in the movie that ANYONE will objectionable. They will mention ANYTHING that ANYONE COULD POTENTIALLY find objectionable. However, they are not necessarily saying that they personally find the movie objectionable, that you should not see the movie, or that the movie is evil . It is simply in there best interest to point out anything that could possibly be objectionable to their target audience, Christian parents.

2. I am not saying that Cobb wanted to be seperated, I am saying he wanted to be together with them. However, who is to say that he did not end up choosing to be with them in a dream state? Nothing in the movie predicates a belief that the ending was in a state of our reality (if anything, it encourages you to believe it is in a dream state). By not showing the top standing or falling (thus establishing reality in the viewer's eyes) Nolan is saying that reality is what you make of it. Something that is real to you is not necessary real to anyone else, but if it is real to you, than you will be alright.

Ya know, I honestly forgot about the train stuff, jumping off the building thing, etc...  But you wanna know why that is?  Because it's a movie, I'm old enough to discern what is true and what is false, and I'm not a fan of the movie.  The movie has an "R" rating, which means it's not for kiddies.  Seriously, there's more to be concerned about in the Lion King (I like that movie) and other animated cartoons that are rated PG and are geared for children.  Everyone has their own convictions about what God wants them to/not do, and it's up to each one of us to listen and follow our convictions (With caution).  If you are young in the faith and haven't spiritually matured, you should be very cautious about what you view. 

Oh my goodness, I got WAY serious up there :O

It is PG-13.Saying that the Lion King has more objectionable content than Inception is absolutely ridiculous. Does the Lion King reek of partial animalism and extreme environmentalism as well as possible pantheism? Perhaps. But it is extremely deep within the context of the movie and is not accessible unless you are a mature, deep thinking individual. Meanwhile, Inception puts blatant suicide directly in front of you (in the context of a dream) wihtin the folds of a complex movie that is literally probably impossible to comprehend as a full entity. Which one do you think is more objectionable:

On screen suicide vs. implied ideology?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Ironica on August 06, 2010, 01:16:11 AM
Wow CS. Quick, make a joke post :P.

Also, its pg13 (if it was R, I wouldn't have wanted to see it)
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 06, 2010, 01:27:40 AM
There was an AND OTHER ANIMATED MOVIES added to that.  Children are more impressionable and thus, are susceptible to influence.  PG-13, R, whatever.  My point still stands (sorta).  How does a point stand?  It's a point...?!  I'm scarred for life because of the Lion King 1 and 1/2... jk jk

Man, where's a joke when you need one... Oh wait, I'm right here!!
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on August 06, 2010, 01:30:20 AM
There was an AND OTHER ANIMATED MOVIES added to that.  Children are more impressionable and thus, are susceptible to influence.   

Children are susceptible to more things, but if they don't understand the subtle message, than they can't be impressioned by it.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 06, 2010, 01:35:27 AM
There was an AND OTHER ANIMATED MOVIES added to that.  Children are more impressionable and thus, are susceptible to influence.   

Children are susceptible to more things, but if they don't understand the subtle message, than they can't be impressioned by it.

They don't understand suicide or what bad words mean/why they're bad, so what's ya point?  (I'm really not trying to start a debate.)
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on August 06, 2010, 01:40:08 AM
There was an AND OTHER ANIMATED MOVIES added to that.  Children are more impressionable and thus, are susceptible to influence.   

Children are susceptible to more things, but if they don't understand the subtle message, than they can't be impressioned by it.

They don't understand suicide or what bad words mean/why they're bad, so what's ya point?  (I'm really not trying to start a debate.)

But they do understand violence. In primitive terms, it is concievable that a 7 year old would come out of Inception saying "maybe if I hurt myself, I will get somewhere else!". The same child will never come out of Lion King and say " I should go worship animals!" or "I should save the rainforests!" or "This tree has the same life energy as I do!".
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Prof Underwood on August 06, 2010, 02:20:16 AM
I'm tired of Christian adults deciding that their interpretation of Christianity forms the exact worldview that said Christian teens should be following.
Do I expect all Christian teenagers to agree with my worldview on everything?  No.  Am I going to sit there and let a Christian teenager insult other Christians who are reviewing all these movies as a service (and perhaps even a ministry) to Christian parents out there?  No.

I haven't seen this movie, so I can't comment on the movie itself.  But if someone is insulting places like PluggedIn or Chrsitian Spotlight, then I believe that those resources deserve to be defended.  As Alex described above, they are trying to help parents be more informed about an industry that is often purposefully anti-Christian.  They should be commended, not maligned.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on August 06, 2010, 02:29:03 AM
I'm tired of Christian adults deciding that their interpretation of Christianity forms the exact worldview that said Christian teens should be following.
Do I expect all Christian teenagers to agree with my worldview on everything?  No.
Really? could have fooled me.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on August 06, 2010, 02:30:28 AM
JSB (who you directly quoted) didn't insult them - He simply said that they blew the suicide out of proportion and that he was tired of them twisting the facts.

I don't think that's overly untruthful either.

EDIT:

JSB, I love you like a brother, but that was out of line.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Prof Underwood on August 06, 2010, 03:16:30 AM
Really? could have fooled me.
I understand why you may have that perspective.  But just because I believe my worldview, and try to communicate it doesn't mean that I expect everyone to agree.  Of course I do kinda hope for that to happen, but I recognize that I have many Christian brothers and sisters who see things differently :)

JSB (who you directly quoted) didn't insult them
Actually I think that accusing the Christians (who are volunteering to review movies to aid other Christians to make wise viewing choices) of twisting things for selfish reasons is insulting.

However, I admit that my initial response to JSB was also probably insulting, and I apologize for communicating that way.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on August 06, 2010, 03:32:31 AM
Really? could have fooled me.
I understand why you may have that perspective.  But just because I believe my worldview, and try to communicate it doesn't mean that I expect everyone to agree.  Of course I do kinda hope for that to happen, but I recognize that I have many Christian brothers and sisters who see things differently :)
what about the argument you and I and YMT had a little while ago? 
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on August 06, 2010, 03:39:08 AM
What, the debate about Christian accountability?

Just because we have a debate about something doesn't mean that anybody is going to change their particular views on the matter - YMT, Prof U, and Others will continue to post when they find content they deem objectionable, Just as you will continue to post asking them not to, it is unfortunate that it happened so closely back-to-back in this case. But I don't feel either of you are in the wrong for doing so, except perhaps, in Prof U's, and most definitely in yours; the way you come across tone wise with those comments.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 06, 2010, 09:10:52 AM
There was an AND OTHER ANIMATED MOVIES added to that.  Children are more impressionable and thus, are susceptible to influence.  

Children are susceptible to more things, but if they don't understand the subtle message, than they can't be impressioned by it.

They don't understand suicide or what bad words mean/why they're bad, so what's ya point?  (I'm really not trying to start a debate.)

But they do understand violence. In primitive terms, it is concievable that a 7 year old would come out of Inception saying "maybe if I hurt myself, I will get somewhere else!". The same child will never come out of Lion King and say " I should go worship animals!" or "I should save the rainforests!" or "This tree has the same life energy as I do!".

That's not true of all children, and there is always "That one kid" ( :) ) who might put action to what they've seen.  My parents exposed me to alcohol, cigarettes, and wrestling (On Tv) when I was a kid, and not once, did I attempt to put action to the violence that I witnessed.  Plus, I don't think most 7 year olds have enough attention/memory span/ cognitive understanding to even follow a movie such as Inception.  I think it quite fair for a 10 year old to be able to understand SOME of the concepts of The Lion King that are questionable (Such as the promotion of laziness by Timon & Pumbaa) :) .
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: BubbleBoy on August 06, 2010, 09:13:34 AM
I would love to participate in this discussion, but you guys talk too much. :P
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on August 06, 2010, 09:23:15 AM
I would love to participate in this discussion, but you guys talk too much. :P

:D
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: YourMathTeacher on August 06, 2010, 09:46:27 AM
I won't be seeing this movie because I just read a Christian website review that said:

"After watching this movie, people have immediately logged on to message boards and starting arguing and insulting each other. Other side effets include nausea, headaches, nosebleeds, sleeplessness, and back pain. In some rare cases, it has been known to cause hair loss and difficulty breathing. Consult your doctor first if you are taking antidepressants or drink a lot of prune juice."
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 25, 2010, 10:00:19 AM
Wow, I was all excited that I finally got to see this movie and could enter this thread without spoiling anything for myself.

Looks like I'm about two months late for anything related to the concepts portrayed in the movie, unless I just want to talk about whether Christian movie reviewers exaggerate things to suit a particular worldview.

Which is a shame, because the material in the movie is far more compelling than any of that.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on October 25, 2010, 01:19:38 PM
I would love to talk about this movie's concepts. Nolan is a genius of our time. In a past time, he would have been a great novelist.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 25, 2010, 02:49:35 PM
I'm not sure that's the case.  He tells good stories, yes, but nothing particularly revolutionary unto themselves.  What makes film a medium where he shines, is that he is brilliant at using his direction as a storytelling device unto themselves.

His two earlier movies are not age-appropriate to discuss here, but as another example, The Prestige opens by explaining to you how a magic trick works.  That way you understand, at the very end, that the movie itself unfolded in the three parts of a magic trick and had that big TA-DA in the final scene.  Inception works in this same way; it tells a story of people moving in and out of dreams and struggling to keep the difference straight between reality and varying levels of dreaming, and it does this in a way that simulates their description of a dream state.  You start a lot of sequences in the middle, not knowing how you got there; you accept some things as they are explained to you, and realize only later that it's actually inconsistent and your mind revolts against it; you wind up having a really hard time discerning how much of what's taking place is "real" and how much of it is merely "dreamed".

That to me is what makes it so brilliant; it is a movie about dreams, presented to the viewer very much like a dream.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: crustpope on October 26, 2010, 04:01:06 PM
When why did his kids look the same as he had remembered, many years prior >:c.

Same clothes and everything >:c.

>:c

I agree, I think that the whole movie was a dream. I think the sequel will bring that to light....if there is a seqel


As far as whether it is appropriate for christians or not, I think it is a bit ridiculous to say that this movie promotes suicide.  Any intelligent and critical thinking person can easily deduce that suicide is only a medium used in this movie to "wake" up from dreams.  I think it is a bit shameful for organizations like focus on the family to get caught up in that and become harbingers of fear than to correctly interpret the movie. 

This is, of course, one of the reasons I detest Focus on the Family to begin with so I guess it is not surprising that they would take and argue that position.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Ironica on October 26, 2010, 04:33:34 PM
Please read the entire review before bashing it.  If you have read the entire review, you would know that they were not bashing the film because of it but mearly giving parents a caution about it and nothing more.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Prof Underwood on October 26, 2010, 04:56:55 PM
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As far as whether it is appropriate for christians or not, I think it is a bit ridiculous to say that a movie has questionable elements to it.  Any intelligent and critical thinking person can easily deduce that the overall movie is fine.  I think it is a bit shameful for organizations like focus on the family to get caught up in that and become harbingers of fear than to correctly interpret the movie. 
This is how comments like this sound to me.  How dare a Christian organization try to even warn other Christians ahead of time so that they can make an informed choice as to whether they want to watch a certain movie?  We should just detest organizations like this and just go watch whatever movies Hollywood puts out.  After all, why be any different from the World, right?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 26, 2010, 06:38:48 PM
So we should exercise discernment about the movies we watch, but we should not exercise discernment about the reviews we read?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Prof Underwood on October 26, 2010, 10:57:41 PM
So we should exercise discernment about the movies we watch, but we should not exercise discernment about the reviews we read?
Exercise discernment, sure.  But "detesting" Focus on the Family....really?  That organization may be more conservative than some Christians identify with.  Or they may be more outspoken or political than some Christians are comfortable with.  But "shameful"....really?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: crustpope on October 26, 2010, 11:11:30 PM
If you are arguing the value of biblically related movie reviews then I have no objection.

I have objection when those reviews suggest to me what I should and should not do.  Just give me the facts, dont give me your opinion laced with your own adgenda

So we should exercise discernment about the movies we watch, but we should not exercise discernment about the reviews we read?
Exercise discernment, sure.  But "detesting" Focus on the Family....really?  That organization may be more conservative than some Christians identify with.  Or they may be more outspoken or political than some Christians are comfortable with.  But "shameful"....really?

Shameful that Focus on the family would set aside their biblical call to preach christ crucified and spend an excessive amount of their time and resources pushing a conservative political even when it conflicts with the gospel.

Shameful that they choose to engage in the idolatrous worship of "Christianity ....AND Political Power"...as if Jesus alone is not enough.

I have had my fill of Focus on the Family.  You can have your own opinions but if you want to impress your views upon me, I will warn you that while I dont discount all of what Dobson says, I dont listen to much of it.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on October 26, 2010, 11:18:42 PM
Shameful that Focus on the family would set aside their biblical call to preach christ crucified and spend an excessive amount of their time and resources pushing a conservative political even when it conflicts with the gospel.
This right here is HUGE. So often these days, we can become anti-democrats instead of Christians.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Prof Underwood on October 26, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
I have had my fill of Focus on the Family.  You can have your own opinions but if you want to impress your views upon me, I will warn you that while I dont discount all of what Dobson says, I dont listen to much of it.
I'm not forcing my views on you any more than you are on me.  We're both simply stating our perspectives for the other person to read and do with what they will.

As for Dobson, he's not even with Focus on the Family anymore, so perhaps your information is a bit out of date.  It also seems to me that you have kept your focus on the parts of Focus that you disagree with/don't like.  I would encourage you to recognize that there is also a lot of good stuff that has come from that organization over the years.

I know that my parents really appreciated several books about raising a strong-willed child back when they had to parent me full-time.  I also know that as a teenager, I really gained a lot from the magazine called BreakAway that came from that organization.  I also know that there have been several people on this forum who have stated that they really appreciate the movie reviews at PluggedIn (although I personally use the one's at ChristianSpotlight).  My point is that there is good stuff, too.

This right here is HUGE. So often these days, we can become anti-democrats instead of Christians.
And so often these days, liberals can become anti-Christians instead of anti-conservatives.  Debate the conservative/liberal issue, don't attack Christian organizations who are trying to do what they believe God is calling them too (unless they are promoting something anti-Biblical).
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on October 26, 2010, 11:30:46 PM
This right here is HUGE. So often these days, we can become anti-democrats instead of Christians.
And so often these days, liberals can become anti-Christians instead of anti-conservatives.  Debate the conservative/liberal issue, don't attack Christian organizations who are trying to do what they believe God is calling them too (unless they are promoting something anti-Biblical).
That doesn't avoid the issue that Christian media is just out to get the liberals at times.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 26, 2010, 11:32:47 PM
So we should exercise discernment about the movies we watch, but we should not exercise discernment about the reviews we read?
Exercise discernment, sure.  But "detesting" Focus on the Family....really?  That organization may be more conservative than some Christians identify with.  Or they may be more outspoken or political than some Christians are comfortable with.  But "shameful"....really?
I don't know why you're defending Focus on the Family because they say parents should "coach" their teenagers and we all know that leads to teenage rebellion
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: YourMathTeacher on October 27, 2010, 12:00:13 AM
I don't know why you're defending Focus on the Family because they say parents should "coach" their teenagers and we all know that leads to teenage rebellion

You'll need to cite some references for such a claim, otherwise you just sound like a rebellious teenager.  ;)
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on October 27, 2010, 12:59:52 AM
I don't know why you're defending Focus on the Family because they say parents should "coach" their teenagers and we all know that leads to teenage rebellion

You'll need to cite some references for such a claim, otherwise you just sound like a rebellious teenager.  ;)

Maybe the one rebellious teenager that his parents "Coached"? lol
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 27, 2010, 01:52:36 AM
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a conservative political even when it conflicts with the gospel.
Proof or it didn't happen. No tenant of conservative theory contradicts the Bible.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Ironica on October 27, 2010, 02:53:04 AM
Pluggin is like a sandwich.  It starts out with the critic opening the movie in their own words (the top piece of bread), then they list the facts of the movies in different catagories (the meat/cheese) and then a conclusion with their opinion of the movie (the bottom bread).

So if you don't like their opinions, instead of bashing them, skip the bread and go straight to the meat.:)
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 27, 2010, 07:44:59 AM
I'm not forcing my views on you any more than you are on me.  We're both simply stating our perspectives for the other person to read and do with what they will.

Yes, but the thrust of your perspective seems to be that having a strong opinion against an organization of people is equivalent to rebellion against God.  That would be the kind of exaggeration that is prompting their backlash against the organization in the first place.

And bear in mind that I listened to Dobson's radio program for a number of years and have several of his books in the house.  So I am not approaching this from the standpoint of being the "hater".
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Prof Underwood on October 27, 2010, 10:13:12 AM
Yes, but the thrust of your perspective seems to be that having a strong opinion against an organization of people is equivalent to rebellion against God. 
I never said anyone was rebelling against God.  However, I do not appreciate the liberal attacks on Christian organizations in the last decade or so.  I am offended by people who no longer even want to identify themselves as "Christians".

In the 90's there was a movement that tried to identify Christianity with being Republican.  It focused primarily on being pro-life, anti-homosexuality, and pro-politics in general.  Now in the 2000's there is a movement that tries to identify Christianity with liberalism.  It focuses primarily on environmentalism, eliminating poverty, and avoiding politics in general.

The conservative swing of Christianity in the 90's attacked Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, and Democrats.  The liberal swing of Christianity now attacks the Church.

Both of these extremes have problems.  I just want to make sure that those on the forum of the liberal persuasion see it.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 27, 2010, 10:35:53 AM
I just happen not to think that anyone who has a problem with Focus on the Family - or even more narrowly, their form of film criticism - is by default a). ideologically liberal, b). intent upon watching anything produced by Hollywood with no discernment, or c). intent upon exhibiting purely secular behavior.

Having professed each of these three opinions at one point or another, I stand by my observation about what your statements seem to be saying.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: YourMathTeacher on October 27, 2010, 11:26:22 AM
In the 90's there was a movement that tried to identify Christianity with being Republican.  It focused primarily on being pro-life, anti-homosexuality, and pro-politics in general.  Now in the 2000's there is a movement that tries to identify Christianity with liberalism.  It focuses primarily on environmentalism, eliminating poverty, and avoiding politics in general.

FWIW, I agree with Schaef that you seem to be very defensive about your current position in this thread. I, for instance, "avoid politics in general" so I fear that you would lump me into the latter category of liberalism. Meeting one criteria of your preceived list does not make me a card-carrying member of the group, but that is the generalization that you appear to be making. For the record, I have been able to legally vote since 1986, but I have never once voted in any election. This is a choice I made long before any "movements" that you are citing. Ironically, I was strongly considering voting this year because of the importance of school-related legislation that significantly impacts my career. But, after being bombarded with the mudslinging hate mail, commercials, and phone calls from the candidates (liberal and conservative), I have reaffirmed my committment to not vote for the "lesser of two evils." If there is ever a candidate that I can honestly say I want to represent me, then I will end my abstinance from politics. Until then, I hope you will not treat me as a "liberal who is afraid to call himself a Christian."
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 27, 2010, 11:42:36 AM
FWIW, you can still vote on local issues without having to submit yourself to Sophie's Choice.  In fact, my dyed-in-the-wool-10th-Amendment-states-rights-conservatism depends on your involvement on a local level.  ;)
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: crustpope on October 27, 2010, 12:31:17 PM
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a conservative political even when it conflicts with the gospel.
Proof or it didn't happen. No tenant of conservative theory contradicts the Bible.

I wont debate that here because this will lead to tangets and the topic is about the movie..or more so now the interpretation fo the movie and its appropriateness for Christians and or children and the organizations that provide information for us to make those choices.  If you want to start another thread for this I am game.


I just happen not to think that anyone who has a problem with Focus on the Family - or even more narrowly, their form of film criticism - is by default a). ideologically liberal, b). intent upon watching anything produced by Hollywood with no discernment, or c). intent upon exhibiting purely secular behavior.

Having professed each of these three opinions at one point or another, I stand by my observation about what your statements seem to be saying.

I agree with this 1000%
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I also say that the "Liberal" view is not simply attacking the church, but it is attacking close minded, dogmatic/Pharisitical interpretations of right and wrong within the church.  They dont really have a problem with the church per se (some imight but that would be a minority) they have a problem with the "I said it, so go and do it" laws that men create surrounding scripture.  There are hard and fast rules in scripture..but there are far less than most people try to make out of scripture.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Ironica on October 27, 2010, 01:52:49 PM
If you mind is always open, wouldn't your brain fall out :P

There are some things that being "closed minded" about is a good thing.  Everýone should have somethungs that they are set about else they will be fikkle and just go with whoever sounds better.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: YourMathTeacher on October 27, 2010, 02:16:49 PM
FWIW, you can still vote on local issues without having to submit yourself to Sophie's Choice.  In fact, my dyed-in-the-wool-10th-Amendment-states-rights-conservatism depends on your involvement on a local level.  ;)

Unfortunately the locals in my area are loco.  ;)

Current Florida Governor Charlie Crist is a good example of why I am hesitant to give my vote to someone I don't trust. The local election propaganda is making me ill.

*****IRONY**** I just got a call from the Lake County, Florida Republican Party with another mudslinging ad just as I was typing this!  :o

Anyway, my current dilemma is that the political organizations for teachers are primarily liberal, and the government programs like WIC that are strongly supported by Democrats are the only thing keeping food in my refrigerator. I certainly do not support most of the platforms of the local Democrats, but I would have to decide whether to vote on conservative morals, or on my family's immediate needs. That is not a choice I am comfortable making at this time.

And before anyone confuses "conservative morals" with "Christian morals," I have not generally found Republicans to be more Godly people than Democrats. God looks at the heart, not the campaign pin.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: crustpope on October 27, 2010, 02:26:25 PM
If you mind is always open, wouldn't your brain fall out :P

There are some things that being "closed minded" about is a good thing.  Everýone should have somethungs that they are set about else they will be fikkle and just go with whoever sounds better.

I agree, but do those things include the length of a persons hair, their style of casual dress, etc?  I think not, yet there are many that think that that is how it should be and htey are closed minded and legalistic about it.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 27, 2010, 02:28:05 PM
a). you can vote on issues and not politicians.  e.g. there is a library levy on our local ballot this year of some import.

b). keep in mind that conservative ideology is for minimal, required, effective federal governance with decentralized power in state and local controls.  Near-zero federal control is the purview of the libertarians, and I doubt any R's will be voting to defund the WIC program any time soon.  It's there for people who need it, though prone to exploitation and abuse.  I have gotten by with no assistance from unemployment or WIC thus far in my adult life, because I think those funds should be for those who need it to get by.  If you need it, by all means, take it with dignity intact.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: YourMathTeacher on October 27, 2010, 02:40:08 PM
a). you can vote on issues and not politicians.  e.g. there is a library levy on our local ballot this year of some import.

I know. I already received the sample ballot, and it had five issues that are "yes" or "no" options. However, only one of those is remotely relevant to me. Unfortunately, I am not certain how I would vote. It is a vote to repeal the Florida Class-size Ammendment, which requires that no high school classroom have more than 25 students per period. I am torn because if I vote yes, then I may start to have classes with 30-40 students, but my salary will likely increase with the shift in budget. If I vote no, then there will be more unqualified teachers in high school classrooms just trying to fill the gap, but I would also have better job security as a "Highly Qualified" teacher (based on current No Child Left Behind Act standards).

I keep remembering the verse (even though the reference escapes me) that says, "Let your 'yes' be 'yes' and your 'no' be 'no.'" If I am going to vote, I want to be certain that I will stand behind my choice.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Ironica on October 27, 2010, 03:49:21 PM
Glenn Beck just had a show stating to vote for people of integraty, no matter what party they are from (and mentioned how sick he is of people saying you are throwing away your vote if you go with a third party).

I also mainly focus on the props (especially since I'm a conservative in Cali, my votes are mostly meaningless (except next week where we might finally win back Cali)).  I see the props as the best way to have our voices heard (well...unless the losers whine and drag it out in court forever).
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 27, 2010, 03:52:45 PM
So that Inception movie was pretty good, huh?  How about that guy duking it out in zero-gravity?  Whoa!
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 27, 2010, 04:55:35 PM
I also mainly focus on the props (especially since I'm a conservative in Cali, my votes are mostly meaningless (except next week where we might finally win back Cali)).  I see the props as the best way to have our voices heard (well...unless the losers whine and drag it out in court forever).
And what would you be winning California back from?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: TheJaylor on October 27, 2010, 05:03:49 PM
their governor? maybe there is an election taking place for that sort of stuff next week.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Ironica on October 27, 2010, 07:20:07 PM
Governor/senate/house.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 27, 2010, 07:37:54 PM
Governor/senate/house.
:doh: Forgot to look at the date
First off there is next to no chance of republicans gaining control of California
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 27, 2010, 07:39:21 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if it's even possible for you to post on a serious topic without tearing down other people's motives in the process.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: sk on October 27, 2010, 07:54:57 PM
Governor/senate/house.
First off there is next to no chance of republicans gaining control of California
Secondly if they did that would be bad because republicans don't really understand "Liberty and justice for all" means all people, not just heterosexuals
Fact: The people of CA, overwhelmingly democrat, voted for Prop 8.
Fact: The governor of CA, a republican, won't defend Prop 8 in court.
Fact: Prop 8 had nothing to do with liberty or justice.
Fact: The zero-gravity fight was epic.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 27, 2010, 08:14:38 PM
Fact: Prop 8 had nothing to do with liberty or justice.
Fact: The zero-gravity fight was epic.
Yes it does,
and yes the fight was very epic, I preferred the ski battle but that was a close second
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on October 27, 2010, 08:15:53 PM
I know I'm hoping for a Republican victory and they take the majority. And when it happens, I hope my boi BHO doesn't want to negotiate the budget, so one isn't passed. That'd be epicly interesting.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: crustpope on October 27, 2010, 09:25:04 PM
I know I'm hoping for a Republican victory and they take the majority. And when it happens, I hope my boi BHO doesn't want to negotiate the budget, so one isn't passed. That'd be epicly interesting.

That would be nice.  I think the only way fo rthe government to not overspend is to get them to not pass a budget to begin with.

Personally I believe a balanced budget ammentment should be passed with a war time only emergency exception.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on October 27, 2010, 09:28:39 PM
I mostly want it to happen just to see the effects. I could be mistaken, but I think unless both Congress and the president agree on a budget the government isn't allowed to spend anything that year.... Road failure, military failure, school failure.....

I'm all against a balanced budget. I'm in the belief that the government should tax heavily in good times and buy our way out of depressions, deficit spending as needed.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: crustpope on October 27, 2010, 09:30:24 PM
They cant spend anything until they pass a budget.  What usually happens though is that they pass a "continuing resolution" that funds the government off of the previous years budget, sometimes at a % decrease
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on October 27, 2010, 09:30:52 PM
I'll be happy if that is a 100% decrease.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 27, 2010, 09:31:45 PM
I know I'm hoping for a Republican victory and they take the majority. And when it happens, I hope my boi BHO doesn't want to negotiate the budget, so one isn't passed. That'd be epicly interesting.

That would be nice.  I think the only way for the government to not overspend is to get them to not pass a budget to begin with.

Personally I believe a balanced budget amendment should be passed with a war time only emergency exception.
Your logic confuses me, the only way to limit spending is not to limit it hmm....
Well we are at war and in the middle of an economic emergency
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: crustpope on October 27, 2010, 09:34:37 PM
First of all, economic emergencies dont count.  IMO there is no "too big to fail" and if there is the the governement let it happen on their watch and they all deserve to reap the benefits of the angry voters that come to washingto n with pitchforks and torches.  Second, I would not consider Iraq or Afghanistan an Emergency.

China attacking us with nukes...yes.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 27, 2010, 09:47:43 PM
Your logic confuses me, the only way to limit spending is not to limit it hmm....

His logic does not confuse you, apparently his statement does.  If you spent half as much time working towards an understanding as you did crafting sarcastic responses, you'd probably get a lot more out of these discussions, and so would your brethren.

And HEY HOW ABOUT THAT MOVIE THAT WAS IN A THEATER...
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 27, 2010, 10:12:00 PM
Your logic confuses me, the only way to limit spending is not to limit it hmm....

His logic does not confuse you, apparently his statement does.  If you spent half as much time working towards an understanding as you did crafting sarcastic responses, you'd probably get a lot more out of these discussions, and so would your brethren.
If you're mad at me about the science thread get mad at me over there. Your holier-then-thou-tirades aren't wanted here.

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First of all, economic emergencies don't count.
The Great Depression?

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IMO there is no "too big to fail" and if there is the the government let it happen on their watch and they all deserve to reap the benefits of the angry voters that come to Washington with pitchforks and torches.
See previous

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Second, I would not consider Iraq or Afghanistan an Emergency.
It may not be an emergency but we are at war
 
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 27, 2010, 10:21:32 PM
If you're mad at me about the science thread get mad at me over there. Your holier-then-thou-tirades aren't wanted here.

This isn't about anybody being holier than anybody.  This is about stopping with the snide comments long enough to actually listen to what other people are saying.  That you're treating Matt (and Ironica) with so little consideration is a fact that has nothing to do with me or with other threads.  The fact that there's a pattern emerging in your behavior - and that you seem to know exactly what I'm talking about without my having even explained it - is something that could signal the beginnings of a problem.  I am not a big fan of problems.  And trying to stare down a brother, an elder and a forum official isn't helping your cause any.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 27, 2010, 10:51:59 PM
If you're mad at me about the science thread get mad at me over there. Your holier-then-thou-tirades aren't wanted here.

 That you're treating Matt (and Ironica) with so little consideration is a fact that has nothing to do with me or with other threads. 
???
If you're talking about that  I deleted the post because it was wrong and in poor taste. Other then that I have treated have treated Matt fine. if you feel I have been treating them badly please give me an example

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This isn't about anybody being holier than anybody.  This is about stopping with the snide comments long enough to actually listen to what other people are saying.
If I make snide comments about someone's post I would have needed to read the post first 

I would like to remind you this is the internet, I can express myself in anyway I choose. If I have insulted someone (which I haven't because no one has said anything) I will apologize.

 
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 27, 2010, 11:03:09 PM
If you're talking about that  I deleted the post because it was wrong and in poor taste.

So basically, I was correct to say you should not treat people that way.

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Other then that I have treated have treated Matt fine. if you feel I have been treating them badly please give me an example

The specific sentence I quoted was your sarcastic response to him that misinterprets what he said.  So either you were being sarcastic because you wanted to belittle his intelligence, or you were deliberately misinterpreting him to make him sound unintelligent.  So far I have given you benefit of the doubt that you were not doing this deliberately, and suggested that working to achieve an understanding instead of crossing people about a misunderstanding has a positive outcome for everybody.

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If I make snide comments about someone's post I would have needed to read the post first

I did not say you didn't read the post.  I said you weren't listening to what they were saying.  This response itself is a prime example of how you respond without making a genuine effort to reach an understanding.  You read but you did not listen.

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I would like to remind you this is the internet, I can express myself in anyway I choose.

I would like to remind you that these people are your brethren, and deserve better to be told to just deal with whatever attitude you choose to bring with you on a given day.

I would also like to remind you that even if they were not, just because choices exist does not mean all choices are equally good, and poor choices of expression reflect poorly on you, and for outside parties, reflect poorly on the people you associate yourself with.  As if the church doesn't have enough problems today as it is, without brethren biting at each other.

Lastly, I would like to remind you that the Internet is free but it is not an anarchy.  This forum is a community, with policies put in place to maintain a certain level of decorum.  Certain individuals have been charged with maintaining those policies and keeping order on the boards, and if someone's "choice of expression" violates those policies or turns into a disruptive force on the boards, those individuals can and will take action according to their assigned duties.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 27, 2010, 11:18:01 PM
If you're talking about that  I deleted the post because it was wrong and in poor taste.

So basically, I was correct to say you should not treat people that way.

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Uhhh.. no, I deleted the post because it was just plain wrong, if it had been accurate I would have kept it

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Other then that I have treated have treated Matt fine. if you feel I have been treating them badly please give me an example

The specific sentence I quoted was your sarcastic response to him that misinterprets what he said.  So either you were being sarcastic because you wanted to belittle his intelligence, or you were deliberately misinterpreting him to make him sound unintelligent.  So far I have given you benefit of the doubt that you were not doing this deliberately, and suggested that working to achieve an understanding instead of crossing people about a misunderstanding has a positive outcome for everybody.
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You're making an assumption, I was asking a legitimate question, his thought process confused me. As I said before if he was offended he would have said something
and this was your idea of meeting half way? 
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His logic does not confuse you, apparently his statement does.  If you spent half as much time working towards an understanding as you did crafting sarcastic responses, you'd probably get a lot more out of these discussions, and so would your brethren.

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violates those policies or turns into a disruptive force on the boards

 I would like to see this policy I'm "violating"


Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 27, 2010, 11:34:49 PM
If you're talking about that  I deleted the post because it was wrong and in poor taste.
I deleted the post because it was just plain wrong, if it had been accurate I would have kept it

So now you're saying it was NOT in poor taste?  You're confusing me.

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You're making an assumption, I was asking a legitimate question, his thought process confused me.

Based on a misinterpretation.  And your tone did not reflect a mere question.

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and this was your idea of meeting half way?

Yes, as I said, I have been giving you benefit of the doubt that you have not been deliberately twisting people's words in addition to your rudeness.

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I would like to see this policy I'm "violating"

Being a disruptive force on the boards is cause for disciplinary action.  If I were you, I would be more concerned about the fact that you seem content to treat people as badly as you feel like, so long as you stay on the right side of some legal line.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 27, 2010, 11:50:37 PM
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You're making an assumption, I was asking a legitimate question, his thought process confused me.
Based on a misinterpretation.  And your tone did not reflect a mere question.
I'm surprised you can tell what I meant better then I can, you must be psychic or something.
(that's sarcasm)

Let's just end this:
Wow Schaef I guess you're right, the entire purpose of my post was to demean and insult Crustpope. Silly me thinking I was just asking a question when I was actually trying to assault and belittle his intelligence.
(also sarcasm)

 
 
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 28, 2010, 12:00:09 AM
You're not really making your other posts look any better by attacking me also.  It just proves my point.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 28, 2010, 12:02:50 AM
You're not really making your other posts look any better by attacking me also.  It just proves my point.
Your point that you're psychic?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 28, 2010, 12:04:08 AM
If you think that was my point, can you demonstrate where I made that claim?

Exactly how long do you intend to keep seeing how far you can push me?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 28, 2010, 12:06:25 AM
If you think that was my point, can you demonstrate where I made that claim?

Exactly how long do you intend to keep seeing how far you can push me?
I just want you to explain to me how you  "know" my post was an attack on Crustpope when I've said it wasn't and he didn't think so either
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 28, 2010, 12:29:07 AM
I've already explained everything I intend to explain.  I'm not interested in playing mind games with you.  And your response to me in the form of sarcasm and snide comments tells me you're not interested in playing this straight.  So we're at an impasse.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 28, 2010, 12:36:01 AM
I've already explained everything I intend to explain.  I'm not interested in playing mind games with you.  And your response to me in the form of sarcasm and snide comments tells me you're not interested in playing this straight.  So we're at an impasse.
Let's see what you've explained:
whether I knew it or not my post was attacking Crustpope
and
You don't like sarcasm

I'm just curious how you knew my post was an attack when it clearly wasn't
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: I AM DANIEL on October 28, 2010, 12:44:35 AM
Hey. I have read the posts and i don't want to get involved (even though this post does) i just wanted to say that JSB23 is playing with red-hot fire. i would drop it. if i were you i would never in 1 million years ever be rude to a moderator. i am not going to point fingers or say who is right or wrong because that would start a flame war. but i think that it would be smart to drop the issue.  :)


P. S. don't be mad at I AM DANIEL. he is a nice guy
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 28, 2010, 12:51:23 AM
I'm just curious how you knew my post was an attack when it clearly wasn't

I'm curious how "clearly" you can make this claim when it is so easily interpreted sarcastically and you have exhibited a pattern of sarcasm and condescension in this thread and others in recent days and weeks.  In light of that, how "clear" is this really?
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 28, 2010, 01:05:07 AM
I'm just curious how you knew my post was an attack when it clearly wasn't

I'm curious how "clearly" you can make this claim when it is so easily interpreted sarcastically and you have exhibited a pattern of sarcasm and condescension in this thread and others in recent days and weeks.  In light of that, how "clear" is this really?
I can't prove you're wrong so if it makes you happy to think you're right go right ahead I can't stop you
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on October 28, 2010, 01:08:39 AM
Tonight I realized that Inception totally ripped off of The Princess Bride.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: The Schaef on October 28, 2010, 01:23:51 AM
I can't prove you're wrong so if it makes you happy to think you're right go right ahead I can't stop you

Well, at least we're in agreement that you can't excuse your behavior.  I'd still like to think you could back off the other posters a bit but I guess what you're gonna do is what you're gonna do.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on October 28, 2010, 05:28:03 PM
Tonight I realized that Inception totally ripped off of The Princess Bride.

How so?  (I've never seen The Princess Bride, so don't laugh too hard if I'm missing something).

-C_S
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on October 28, 2010, 05:33:21 PM
Tonight I realized that Inception totally ripped off of The Princess Bride.

How so?  (I've never seen The Princess Bride, so don't laugh too hard if I'm missing something).

-C_S
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE PRINCESS BRIDE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! WATCH IT. NOW.

Inception=Mawiage.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: crustpope on October 28, 2010, 06:54:46 PM
And HEY HOW ABOUT THAT MOVIE THAT WAS IN A THEATER...

Exactly, lets not lose sight of the whole point of the tread...

Once again, I restate my position that this movie was fantastic.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on October 30, 2010, 03:09:25 AM
I like pie.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: JSB23 on October 30, 2010, 11:51:37 AM
I like swords
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on October 30, 2010, 03:57:29 PM
I like turtles.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on October 30, 2010, 04:10:04 PM
Am I not turtley enough for the turtle club. Turtle, turtle, turtle!
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Lozo777 on November 02, 2010, 12:28:49 AM
Ben Franklin curb stomped a turtle once.
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on November 02, 2010, 12:29:55 AM
Pics or it didn't happen.  :-*
Title: Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on November 03, 2010, 04:11:04 PM
Tonight I realized that Inception totally ripped off of The Princess Bride.

How so?  (I've never seen The Princess Bride, so don't laugh too hard if I'm missing something).

-C_S
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE PRINCESS BRIDE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! WATCH IT. NOW.

Inception=Mawiage.
Roger that, maybe I will sometime.

-C_S
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