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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: SomeKittens on July 13, 2010, 12:00:07 PM
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TheSchaef took down the old system. Based on your experience with this system, how would you change/improve it?
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I would much rather encourage a post in this instance than a person. If they still wanted to encourage people, I would say maybe have the counter for how many times you have been encouraged only visible to you... So that it doesnt become a competition.
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Agreed. I said on the original thread that I feel it would have worked much better if the + 1 option was on posts, rather than users. However, Schaef said it was not available in the software and lacked the time and programming expertise to do so.
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+ 1 to posts would greatly improve the system.
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However, Schaef said it was not available in the software and did not feel like programming it in.
Are you certain this is the manner in which you want to portray the discussion?
There is no per-post support in this version of the forums and I lack the time and programming expertise to do a custom job just for this.
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You said something about not having time to spend on that. That's what I meant, sorry if you took that the wrong way.
Fixed it.
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I agree per post is better, but I think having no "Encouragement" at all is just fine.
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To put my two cents in,
I agree in the per-post encouagement and i am also trying to learn how it might be created so that it isnt just aa dream for those who really enjoied the system.
I believe that it would greatly decrease on the "+1", "+ 1", "i agree", and meny simalar posts alot of see as spam, but would still alow people to agree with what is being said in say the "Ruling Questions" section of the boards.
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I would only include the -1.
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I would only include the -1.
There still needs to be more to it than that. Maybe we could include an electric jolt sent to the poster's mouse/keyboard/cell phone.
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what if the poster is pikachu?
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if i figure out how to make the + 1, i will look at the -1 but will it will still be schaef's choice as to what he gives us, i would think at the least if -1 is included you will be required to post a reason.
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-1 was in the existing system, I intentionally disabled it because there would be no end to the abuses. This environment already has too much of tearing other people down without also giving them the means to thumb-down someone's post.
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Cool. What changes would you make to make the system less prone to abuse?
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Ban TheHobbit13 there we go no more + 1 abuse, and hopefully -1 abuse to or will we have to ban sauce to. ;)
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dont hate the player, hate the game.
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I'll prefer to not reference it as "a game"
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looks like my efforts at a "thumbs down" would be a waist of my time so for now i will not even persue it.
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should be like facebook. like topics and posts. but there should be a dislike button.
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I agree with Schaef on the Dislike Button, there is WAY too much tearing down on this fourm.
putting a dislike button up is only going to open up a can of worms that will cause a mass exodus. (i would bet of meny players that have been a vary positive infulence to not only members on the boards but people the meet at tournaments)
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I agree with Schaef on the Dislike Button, there is WAY too much tearing down on this fourm.
putting a dislike button up is only going to open up a can of worms that will cause a mass exodus. (i would bet of meny players that have been a vary positive infulence to not only members on the boards but people the meet at tournaments)
dislike posts could be a way to clean up spam though.
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I agree with Schaef on the Dislike Button, there is WAY too much tearing down on this fourm.
putting a dislike button up is only going to open up a can of worms that will cause a mass exodus. (i would bet of meny players that have been a vary positive infulence to not only members on the boards but people the meet at tournaments)
dislike posts could be a way to clean up spam though.
I agree less spam, because we will drive the spamers out of our so call Christian community, along with some of the none spamers.
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I agree with Schaef on the Dislike Button, there is WAY too much tearing down on this fourm.
putting a dislike button up is only going to open up a can of worms that will cause a mass exodus. (i would bet of meny players that have been a vary positive infulence to not only members on the boards but people the meet at tournaments)
dislike posts could be a way to clean up spam though.
I agree less spam, because we will drive the spamers out of our so call Christian community, along with some of the none spamers.
perhaps I should have explained further. on YouTube, if a post gets too many dislikes, it's deleted.
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who then becomes the evil overlord that desides when something has to many dislikes?
mabey if we didn't already abuse a system already on the boards we could "Report to Moderator" a post and they would look into it, but in too many case we abuse that too and they just start ignoring those messages.
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who then becomes the evil overlord that desides when something has to many dislikes?
mabey if we didn't already abuse a system already on the boards we could "Report to Moderator" a post and they would look into it, but in too many case we abuse that too and they just start ignoring those messages.
Schaef is already the tyrannical overlord, what's the difference?
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scheaf only steps in when the whole can of spam is running lose, he doesn't run after everylittle piece that gets out, he leaves that for us to do.
so Having everyone click a dislike button enough to get scheaf to come and kill it is only a waist of his time but ours, even more so when there is a button that already does this programed into the boards.
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Say the boards are set up so that no thread older than 6 months can be posted in anymore. Then one day Scheaf suddenly decides to change that. He doesn't think this is going to turn out well, but he is giving the people one chance to prove him wrong. Well, immediately everyone is suddenly going to go post in a bunch of older topics in a necroposting rush. Then Schaef sees how out of control it is getting and decides it was a bad idea. If he had waited for a few more days, eventually everyone would have settled down and necroposting would simmer down to normal levels, but he changes it back after a couple of days.
Not to offend Schaef or anything, but I think the same is the case here. The trial period was too short, and was entered with a rather biased point of view. Well, actually I don't think it would have worked well anyway, because of the way it was set up, but still, I think it was a little bit rash.
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You do realize this biased point of view is based on the fact that the system was implemented once before with the expectation that it WOULD work and the results were equally disastrous?
So if the results were the same both times, that takes my expectations out of the equation. And if you are neglecting the fact that I defended the re-implementation of the system at the outset against other skeptics, and weathered a number of other small incidents that gave hints to the coming storm, that takes the trial period out of the equation. If you agree with me that the system was not something that would work, then it wasn't even the wrong decision in the first place. So frankly, I don't see what the problem is.
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I'm just trying to ensure that if this is ever done the way that people think it will work (post-by-post), then the trial period for that will not begin with bias, and will be long enough that a final decision can be based off an accurate and comprehensive impression. No problem, and no personal attacks intended.
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So frankly, I don't see what the problem is.
There is no problem. The boards worked fine before the whole "encouragement" fiasco and the "encouragement" fiasco re-visited and will continue to function fine without it. Those who like to encourage in posts and PMs will continue to do so and those who don't won't. There seem to be plenty of ways to indicate likes and dislikes and whatnot about posts without trying to reinvent the wheel. Just my keeping it simple thoughts.
Godspeed,
Mike
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My decision was based off an accurate and comprehensive impression.
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My decision was based off an accurate and comprehensive impression.
It had a big blue "M" written all over it. ;)
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You do realize this biased point of view is based on the fact that the system was implemented once before with the expectation that it WOULD work and the results were equally disastrous?
So if the results were the same both times, that takes my expectations out of the equation. And if you are neglecting the fact that I defended the re-implementation of the system at the outset against other skeptics, and weathered a number of other small incidents that gave hints to the coming storm, that takes the trial period out of the equation. If you agree with me that the system was not something that would work, then it wasn't even the wrong decision in the first place. So frankly, I don't see what the problem is.
I was on vacation both times!
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You do realize this biased point of view is based on the fact that the system was implemented once before with the expectation that it WOULD work and the results were equally disastrous?
So if the results were the same both times, that takes my expectations out of the equation. And if you are neglecting the fact that I defended the re-implementation of the system at the outset against other skeptics, and weathered a number of other small incidents that gave hints to the coming storm, that takes the trial period out of the equation. If you agree with me that the system was not something that would work, then it wasn't even the wrong decision in the first place. So frankly, I don't see what the problem is.
I was on vacation both times!
This last time you were at +5 or something. Almost caught up to Hobbit's +150.
Happy?
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Ban TheHobbit13 there we go no more + 1 abuse, and hopefully -1 abuse to or will we have to ban sauce to. ;)
I they do ban people who trade 'stuff' for encouragement what will stop them from making another account???
And I wonder how TheHobbit13 feels after trading al the cards and finding that they cancelled the encouragement system.
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Ban TheHobbit13 there we go no more + 1 abuse, and hopefully -1 abuse to or will we have to ban sauce to. ;)
I they do ban people who trade 'stuff' for encouragement what will stop them from making another account???
And I wonder how TheHobbit13 feels after trading al the cards and finding that they cancelled the encouragement system.
He could probably careless, after all he did not have to give out the packs anymore.
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You know, it'd be awesome if this board wasn't full of pseudo-modding. Especially when said pseudo-modding, directly contradicts what actual mods have stated.
Stop ripping on Hobbit. He was not abusing the system.
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maybe you're a bit bias because you were the only one to receive a pack ;) but i do agree. who cares if he secured a way to get more encouragement? what difference does it ultimately make in the grand scheme of things? zero to nilch.
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I'm mostly trying to say these two things:
1. Hobbit's "abuse" was cleared by Schaef. Schaef posted in the thread commenting that he didn't care if Hobbit wanted to waste packs on this, since encouragement did nothing anyway.
2. Hobbit was not the cause of the shutdown, the argument on his thread was. An argument in which he had zero involvement.
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Stop ripping on Hobbit. He was not abusing the system.
I guess it wasnt his fault that much but why was it taken away that is what I do not get. ???
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cheetos mighty zingers is my best guess.
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what difference does it ultimately make in the grand scheme of things? zero to nilch.
nilch
–noun
1. Less than zero percent
2. Word used by Warcraft 3 players and Gamestop employees to abbreviate "nothing, nada, zilch"
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example:
"your gameboy camera is worth nothing, nada, nilch. in fact, you owe me money."
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example:
"your gameboy camera is worth nothing, nada, nilch. in fact, you owe me money."
My Gameboy camera is priceless to me, especially since I have the printer too.
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Stop ripping on Hobbit. He was not abusing the system.
I guess it wasnt his fault that much but why was it taken away that is what I do not get. ???
2. Hobbit was not the cause of the shutdown, the argument on his thread was. An argument in which he had zero involvement.
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example:
"your gameboy camera is worth nothing, nada, nilch. in fact, you owe me money."
My Gameboy camera is priceless to me, especially since I have the printer too.
;D
sometimes i actually wish we did accept old-skool items. when i see some old stuff come by, my heart makes a nostalgiac jump.
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My decision was based off an accurate and comprehensive impression.
Good for you? How is this relevant?
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My decision was based off an accurate and comprehensive impression.
Good for you? How is this relevant?
Um, do the words "Tyrannical Overlord" mean anything to you?
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My decision was based off an accurate and comprehensive impression.
Good for you? How is this relevant?
Um, do the words "Tyrannical Overlord" mean anything to you?
Do the words "Chocolate Frisbee" mean anything to you? Think about it...
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Do the words "Chocolate Frisbee" mean anything to you? Think about it...
Be careful not to hit the fan with it. People may get the wrong idea.
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Do the words "Chocolate Frisbee" mean anything to you? Think about it...
Be careful not to hit the fan with it. People may get the wrong idea.
:rollin:
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Just checking to make sure the topic hasn't changed. Clearly, encouragement didn't work for one reason or another. What kind of a system would you like and why?
I stand behind TheSchaef's decision according to Romans 13. Speaking of zilch, that's what he's getting paid. This site is a blessing, and nothing more. Don't start thinking it's an entitlement.
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Good for you? How is this relevant?
You were the one who suggested my decision was not so based. If it wasn't relevant, you would not have brought it up.
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Good for you? How is this relevant?
You were the one who suggested my decision was not so based. If it wasn't relevant, you would not have brought it up.
What I want to know what we did to have it taken away.
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2. Hobbit was not the cause of the shutdown, the argument on his thread was. An argument in which he had zero involvement.
The argument on that thread centered on the use of offensive language, and the responsibility of Christians to hold one another accountable (or lack thereof). That argument didn't have anything to do with the "encouragement system", so I don't understand why it is being blamed for the system being shut down.
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Hey,
Probably because of this quote lifted from the last post in that thread:
An example: the encouragement system is not perfect but it's the best thing we have immediately available with the current version of this software. Some like it, some do not. Some have seen fit to argue about it, others to try and game it for purposes not entirely clear to me, and still others prefer simply to sabotage it. The purpose of this system was never to cause contention among members of the board, yet it seems to be an unavoidable consequence. Therefore I am shutting it down immediately. Any issues not related to the now-defunct encouragement system I advise you to take to PMs.
Tschow,
Alex Olijar
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Hey,
Probably because of this quote lifted from the last post in that thread:
An example: the encouragement system is not perfect but it's the best thing we have immediately available with the current version of this software. Some like it, some do not. Some have seen fit to argue about it, others to try and game it for purposes not entirely clear to me, and still others prefer simply to sabotage it. The purpose of this system was never to cause contention among members of the board, yet it seems to be an unavoidable consequence. Therefore I am shutting it down immediately. Any issues not related to the now-defunct encouragement system I advise you to take to PMs.
Tschow,
Alex Olijar
So he took it off only because a couple people didn't like it.
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It was my fault, so send all hate mail to me. Feel free to use any language you find appropriate, as long as it in a PM. If you are glad to see it go, then mail me gifts such as Sabbath Breaker x5, Carried into Exile x5, or Little Caesar's Gift Cards. If the means are available, you can also add credit onto my GameStop Edge card.
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I love little Caesars so much!
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It was my fault, so send all hate mail to me. Feel free to use any language you find appropriate, as long as it in a PM. If you are glad to see it go, then mail me gifts such as Sabbath Breaker x5, Carried into Exile x5, or Little Caesar's Gift Cards. If the means are available, you can also add credit onto my GameStop Edge card.
That is fine if you did not like it but why did the Schaef take it off because of 1 person.
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That is fine if you did not like it but why did the Schaef take it off because of 1 person.
I resent that. We are talking about me here.
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At YMT's size, he's worth at least 1.33333333 people. ;)
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That is fine if you did not like it but why did the Schaef take it off because of 1 person.
I resent that. We are talking about me here.
I could careless if you did not like.
I sayed that not trying to cut you down just to get my point across.
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It was my fault, so send all hate mail to me. Feel free to use any language you find appropriate, as long as it in a PM. If you are glad to see it go, then mail me gifts such as Sabbath Breaker x5, Carried into Exile x5, or Little Caesar's Gift Cards. If the means are available, you can also add credit onto my GameStop Edge card.
Can you post your email, I wanna make sure I get the right one.
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At YMT's size, he's worth at least 1.33333333 people. ;)
I'm glad that you chose to repeat the decimal 3 rather than 6, otherwise that would have opened up the whole Satan thing again. ;)
Can you post your email, I wanna make sure I get the right one.
rob@cactusgamedesign.com
I could careless if you did not like.
I sayed that not trying to cut you down just to get my point across.
I feel cut and pointed at. But, not to worry. At least you didn't eat unclean meat.
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Its done, its gone.
There is nothing more we can do to get the old system back.
There dose look like a chance that we as a community can front a better system and mabey get that up and running.
With that lets move on!
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I have been gone for a few days and came back, and noticed that someone did manage to figure out a by post system.
When did it go up?
How has it been going?
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About an hour and a half. No one has been stabbed yet, so I'm cautiously optimistic. I still would prefer the flexibility that I would get with a pending upgrade but we'll see how this goes.
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Yay for my favorite Tyrannical Overlord! (Spellcheck almost had you as a Titanically Overlord)
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About an hour and a half. No one has been stabbed yet, so I'm cautiously optimistic. I still would prefer the flexibility that I would get with a pending upgrade but we'll see how this goes.
Is it still running? I don't see it in Metallistic theme.
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That's because you have a lame theme.
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I -1'd your post because you dissed my favorite theme! >:(
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I minus'd your post because I have a personal vendetta* against you.
*note: Not really, me and Lambo are good friends
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It works in most themes but not all.
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it's only working in certain boards for the Tolkien theme.
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It works in Star Trek too.
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it's only working in certain boards for the Tolkien theme.
Same for me, with the standard theme.
Also, I have noticed that a lot of the threads are "smushed", as in the boxes of text only fill up like half the screen, with the right half of the web page being totally blank.
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I don't see anything like that at all, can you show an image?
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(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F5098899511617866948-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com%2Fsite%2Fkramerfamilytech%2FHome%2FScreenshot2010-07-19at8.25.09PM.png&hash=d1e29b37c9973be61c5ab79e51a3546e445375b6)
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I don't see anything like that at all, can you show an image?
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi666.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv28%2Fbaconsnake2%2FCapture.jpg&hash=5238a971670586a333584919bb8a75bb754f8f9d)
But you know what, I had compatibility mode on, and I just took that off, and now it seems to be fine.
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(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi666.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv28%2Fbaconsnake2%2FCapture.jpg&hash=5238a971670586a333584919bb8a75bb754f8f9d)
That same thing is happening to me... odd.
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But you know what, I had compatibility mode on, and I just took that off, and now it seems to be fine.
I still don't see any arrows at all. And how do you turn on and off "compatibility mode"?
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Prof, what theme are you using?
*edit*
Blah, after using Metallistic for so long, I can't stand any of the other forum designs...way too flashy for their own good. Makes everything harder to read for me. >.<
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must be a clash between the portal system and IE7...
... the default theme is too flashy compared to Metallistic?
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And how do you turn on and off "compatibility mode"?
This is something I didn't know about until I got the latest version of IE.
Also, the reason I turned compatibility mode on in the first place was because certian things (specifically signatures*) are a little messed up otherwise, and those things are still a problem when I turn compatibility off.
*EDIT: Here's a pic:
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi666.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv28%2Fbaconsnake2%2FCapture-1.jpg&hash=5766607239ad1a88d7d324bdef63c0d15640e88d)
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must be a clash between the portal system and IE7...
... the default theme is too flashy compared to Metallistic?
I'm getting that squished forum thing in Chrome too.
And, the default one isn't as hard to read as some of the others, but on my widescreen monitor the forum is super stretched out, while Metallistic is stays one default size. That and I've gotten used to the black and grey.
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I figured out what the forum is doing. It's sizing the thread windows based on how long the title part is, such as:
Cactus Game Design Message Boards > Open Forum > Off-Topic (Moderator: Gil Galad Elven King *Generic) > How would YOU design Encouragement?
The forum is then the same size as that amount of text. I tested it on several threads and it matches perfectly.
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Prof, what theme are you using?
I'm using the default theme and using Firefox.
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If the forum is having the strange sizing issue, go to these two threads to see what I mean:
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=11454.0 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=11454.0)
That should be much much wider then this next thread
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=22217.0 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=22217.0)
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I have not seen anything in Tolkien, Enterprise, or Default.
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Default, Chrome, Smashed.
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Since most users can see it in their themes and it doesn't seem to have blown up the site, thumbs have been expanded to most of the other boards.
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Since most users can see it in their themes and it doesn't seem to have blown up the site, thumbs have been expanded to most of the other boards.
I still can't see any thumbs or arrows.
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Nor can I.
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nor me: I guess (judging from our age)..we are too old to see it. :P
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Did you say something? :P
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Ironically, I'm catching myself saying that more and more during youth group.
They are either trying to make me look/sound/seem crazy -or-
My hearing is going.
I refuse to be crazy so I blame it on the hearing (in fact, I tell the youth...I went to too many concerts when I was their age.)
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Let me check the permissions again. In the meantime, I recommend a hard refresh.
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I agree per post is better, but I think having no "Encouragement" at all is just fine.
No need to have encouragement. +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
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We are good to go...whatever you did..you got me in. Thanks Schaef. A 1+ to that post. :-)
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So, is there no way to get this to work in Metallistic?
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Let me check the permissions again. In the meantime, I recommend a hard refresh.
Whatever you did also got me on board. Thanks.
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hard refresh
Is this a common term? Because I think it's hilarious. :D
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hard refresh
Is this a common term? Because I think it's hilarious. :D
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-hard-refresh.htm (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-hard-refresh.htm)
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Some threads on Metallistic are doing the wierd compressed thing as well...
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Same here with the default.
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I'm compressed, but I've got arrows, so Woo-hoo! ;D
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The arrows and numbers definately don't work in aanewdamage.
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Is this just totally Herbert,
or am I missing something?
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Is this just totally Herbert,
or am I missing something?
Herbert? I'm missing something