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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: hi123 on August 17, 2010, 03:24:57 PM
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I just wanted to hear the comments on Hamans Gallows. This is a funny card to me, leave comment's here-
Hamans Gallow's-
Fort , your persians cannot be Ignored . If a card were to be ripped, remove it from the game instead. Protect Zeresh, and Haman from Capture and Conversion.
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this is the best card in the game thinking of defense.
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I just wanted to hear the comments on Hamans Gallows. This is a funny card to me
Have you not seen Suicidal Swine Stampeed?
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this is the best card in the game thinking of defense.
I agree! Plus, when you have that fort out, you dont have to rip 5 bucks, just remove it from the game ! ::)
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I just wanted to hear the comments on Hamans Gallows. This is a funny card to me
Have you not seen Suicidal Swine Stampeed?
Whats its SA?
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I just wanted to hear the comments on Hamans Gallows. This is a funny card to me
Have you not seen Suicidal Swine Stampeed?
Whats its SA?
You didn't get a chuckle just from reading the name of the card? What's wrong with you! :o
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I just wanted to hear the comments on Hamans Gallows. This is a funny card to me
Have you not seen Suicidal Swine Stampeed?
Have you seen dou? better card because of the abtly to recur the ecs.(Ashdod FTW)
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I just wanted to hear the comments on Hamans Gallows. This is a funny card to me
Have you not seen Suicidal Swine Stampeed?
Have you seen dou? better card because of the abtly to recur the ecs.(Ashdod FTW)
Ashdod does not recur ECs or allow Philistines to play pale green, so.....
Gallows is a novelty. Give it a few months, and no one will use it seriously.
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Darn memory. And cmon it ain't a novelty in T2.
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Yes, it is.
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Have you not seen Suicidal Swine Stampeed?
I would not play with this card in any orange defense, but that's just me.
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Gallows is a novelty. Give it a few months, and no one will use it seriously.
I disagree.
Being able to block with my Persians from hand even if Brown is affected by TGT isn't just a novelty. If all it did was allow you to preserve your Plots, then, yeah, serious players wouldn't use it. But the other ability is awesome. I would possibly use it in a mostly demon deck with now 3 Persian demons that could get by not only TGT but Three Nails as well.
This card will make any serious TGT player include at least one reliable way to get rid of an Evil Fortress. IMO Persians just became the premier anti-TGT defense (especially since Wash Basin neutralizes GoH). I guess we shall see, but I'd say this card will be more popular than you realize.
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the speed decks (90% of decks that use Plot) won't use this card. the other few decks that play defense might. I agree with Janissary (can I still call him that with the new avatar?)
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Gallows is a novelty. Give it a few months, and no one will use it seriously.
I disagree.
Being able to block with my Persians from hand even if Brown is affected by TGT isn't just a novelty. If all it did was allow you to preserve your Plots, then, yeah, serious players wouldn't use it. But the other ability is awesome. I would possibly use it in a mostly demon deck with now 3 Persian demons that could get by not only TGT but Three Nails as well.
This card will make any serious TGT player include at least one reliable way to get rid of an Evil Fortress. IMO Persians just became the premier anti-TGT defense (especially since Wash Basin neutralizes GoH). I guess we shall see, but I'd say this card will be more popular than you realize.
I think your severely overestimating this single card's effect on the meta (especially in t2). In T1, it will probably be even less effective due to TGT's heavy drawing. This card isn't even the best TGT counter in the set. I can't picture it doing much other making Persians a semi-viable defense in T1. I still see Gates as the premiere counter to Tomb.
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I'll use it. Now I can use 5 plots per game. Before that I could only use like 2, beings I didn't have enough cards to check in 2 decks.
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This card isn't even the best TGT counter in the set.
Which counter do you think is better? Maybe Golgotha, but sites are currently easier to deal with than Fortresses.
I can't picture it doing much other making Persians a semi-viable defense in T1. I still see Gates as the premiere counter to Tomb.
While I don't know if Persians are good enough to make a defense by themselves, Persians + a few other Brown characters (Gomer, Uzzah) could make a brilliant defense. But I guess we'll see. Perhaps you'll get to play my Persian defense someday.
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I'll use it. Now I can use 5 plots per game. Before that I could only use like 2, beings I didn't have enough cards to check in 2 decks.
I might not even use that card, while having a HP. in my deck, I will just make a 51 card deck, ripping plots are fun!
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The new sites granting protection from various effects are loads better for TGT countering in my opinion. Golgotha is an arguable second best counter, followed by Gallows and that Crimson heretic enhancement I cannot remember the name of.
Fortress are much easier to counter than sites if only because of the number of cards than counter them. Sites have very centralized counters, while fortress have a wide variety, allowing you to possess a greater surprise factor and thus have a better chance at catching an opponent offguard.
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I'll use it. Now I can use 5 plots per game. Before that I could only use like 2, beings I didn't have enough cards to check in 2 decks.
I might not even use that card, while having a HP. in my deck, I will just make a 51 card deck, ripping plots are fun!
You can't have rip 5 HP per game with a type 1 deck anyway. I was refering to t2.
I wouldn't consider using it in t1, I'd just check in 3 decks.
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While I don't know if Persians are good enough to make a defense by themselves, Persians + a few other Brown characters (Gomer, Uzzah) could make a brilliant defense. But I guess we'll see. Perhaps you'll get to play my Persian defense someday.
[/quote] Persians are good for Hero-Discard. I use to use them alot, and I ended up 2nd place in a few local tournaments with hero discard, and site lock. I won because, My opponent had no heros! I think I also mixed the brown in with a little PG capture!
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While I don't know if Persians are good enough to make a defense by themselves, Persians + a few other Brown characters (Gomer, Uzzah) could make a brilliant defense. But I guess we'll see. Perhaps you'll get to play my Persian defense someday.
Persians are good for Hero-Discard. I use to use them alot, and I ended up 2nd place in a few local tournaments with hero discard, and site lock. I won because, My opponent had no heros! I think I also mixed the brown in with a little PG capture!
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Just look out for CoF/Hero recursion. There's a new purple cov in Disciples that I like, just don't remember the name.
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While I don't know if Persians are good enough to make a defense by themselves, Persians + a few other Brown characters (Gomer, Uzzah) could make a brilliant defense. But I guess we'll see. Perhaps you'll get to play my Persian defense someday.
Persians are good for Hero-Discard. I use to use them alot, and I ended up 2nd place in a few local tournaments with hero discard, and site lock. I won because, My opponent had no heros! I think I also mixed the brown in with a little PG capture!
Just look out for CoF/Hero recursion. There's a new purple cov in Disciples that I like, just don't remember the name.
[/quote] Whats the Covenants SA?
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The New Covenant
At any time, you may place this card beneath your deck to heal all NT heroes, return all captured NT heroes to territory, or discard all evil cards on NT heroes.
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I don't think you understand... Golgotha is near untargetable with Caesarea Phillipi in play. Correct me if I'm wrong, but currently Trumpet and Sword is the only one shot card that counters Caesarea Phillipi.
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Looks like you're right. Sites are the new fortress.
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I don't think you understand... Golgotha is near untargetable with Caesarea Phillipi in play. Correct me if I'm wrong, but currently Trumpet and Sword is the only one shot card that counters Caesarea Phillipi.
Benedictus.
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I'm pretty sure a couple red cards negate sites, so that could work to an extent.
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Samson's Sacrifice is a Negate and Discard as well.
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Samson's Sacrifice
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Well, another reason for the Gallows is that Haman's Plots are going to get rarer. Pretty soon no one will want to rip a plot because those cards will not be printed and not as easy to find. (I am saying this assuming that they don't reprint HP)
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Well, another reason for the Gallows is that Haman's Plots are going to get rarer. Pretty soon no one will want to rip a plot because those cards will not be printed and not as easy to find. (I am saying this assuming that they don't reprint HP)
I agree!
How many plots has everyone ripped this year already!
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If they ever get to scarce, they'll get a reprint, just you wait and see.
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Well, another reason for the Gallows is that Haman's Plots are going to get rarer. Pretty soon no one will want to rip a plot because those cards will not be printed and not as easy to find. (I am saying this assuming that they don't reprint HP)
I agree!
How many plots has everyone ripped this year already!
I ripped one at Nats against Gabe. probably one of my most frustrating games ever. Rip a plot, don't draw NJ, rescue half the 2 liner, and lose 5-4.
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I ripped one at Nats against Gabe. probably one of my most frustrating games ever. Rip a plot, don't draw NJ, rescue half the 2 liner, and lose 5-4.
... And the 2-liner causes yet another loss.
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ARG! Not the two-liner!
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I ripped one at Nats against Gabe. probably one of my most frustrating games ever. Rip a plot, don't draw NJ, rescue half the 2 liner, and lose 5-4.
I've never lost a two player game where a Haman's Plot was ripped, for or against.
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I've never lost a two player game.
Fixed.
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the speed decks (90% of decks that use Plot)
Perhaps this card was meant to change that.
I like this card a lot, not only for the anti-rip ability, but for the anti-ignore ability, which I agree should be really tough to get around on an evil fortress.
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Hey,
I've never lost a two player game where a Haman's Plot was ripped, for or against.
I tore a plot against you at North Central Regionals in 2009 and proceeded to win the game. Ultimately I didn't need to rip the plot, but I did rip it.
Well, another reason for the Gallows is that Haman's Plots are going to get rarer. Pretty soon no one will want to rip a plot because those cards will not be printed and not as easy to find. (I am saying this assuming that they don't reprint HP)
Less than 1000 plots have been torn in the 8 years it's been in print. (That's actually a VERY generous estimate, I imagine the real number is actually less than 500.) We don't know printing numbers for Patriarchs but based on the printing runs for the sets before it there are probably 15,000-30,000 Haman's Plots that were printed.
The effect of plots being torn won't realistically affect the availability of it for many, many years.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly