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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: CJSports on January 02, 2011, 08:35:41 AM
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What do you think the fluffiest card in the disciples set is, personally I think passover hymn is.
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Passover hymn wins games man sorry. The fluffiest card is well nothing.
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IMHO, all the silver cards were fluff, except Birth Foretold.
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Om nom nom?
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Nicodemus wins fluffiest card in my book.
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Eve's Descendant for me but Nicodemus is really fluffy too.
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i vote for the garden tomb completely unnecessary fluff lol ( this is a joke btw) ;D ;D ;D
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Eve's Descendant for me but Nicodemus is really fluffy too.
How is a battle winner fluff? Imo, Market Place is pretty bad.
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Eve's Descendant for me but Nicodemus is really fluffy too.
How is a battle winner fluff? Imo, Market Place is pretty bad.
Market place is good in phars and sadds so it ain't fluff.
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Market Place.
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marketplace
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I like Marketplace. I never use it, but it could be awesome in some decks, so I wouldn't call it fluff.
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There are better sites to use in a pharisee deck, it would be hard to find room with all of the other competition.
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Couple things, passover hymn does not win games because their are so many other ways to get past immunity and so many other ways to get rid of EE and curses. Nicodemus is pretty bad. Marketplace can be useful in certain occassions like with phars, sads ,and occasionally magicians. Personally abes descendents is one of my favs because it absolutely recks ABom decks. Just my opinion.
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Couple things, passover hymn does not win games because their are so many other ways to get past immunity and so many other ways to get rid of EE and curses. Nicodemus is pretty bad. Marketplace can be useful in certain occassions like with phars, sads ,and occasionally magicians. Personally abes descendents is one of my favs because it absolutely recks ABom decks. Just my opinion.
In addition it provides recursion for your EEs via golgotha.
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Couple things, passover hymn does not win games because their are so many other ways to get past immunity and so many other ways to get rid of EE and curses. Nicodemus is pretty bad. Marketplace can be useful in certain occassions like with phars, sads ,and occasionally magicians. Personally abes descendents is one of my favs because it absolutely recks ABom decks. Just my opinion.
In addition it provides recursion for your EEs via golgotha.
I absolutely love that combo, I don't understand how that is fluff.
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Eve's, not Abraham's. Marketplace is in no way fluffy at all. It's a cornerstone of Heretics and is also the bee's knees with Phars.
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Eve's, not Abraham's. Marketplace is in no way fluffy at all. It's a cornerstone of Heretics and is also the bee's knees with Phars.
Abe's Descendants is the recursion one that I really like. Eve's is the demon hater.
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Ezra's Journey. We already have Jehoiada's Strength...
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In a lot of decks, I actually prefer EJ. It probably was not necessary, but with the Aaron/Moses combo (and against FbtN) I think it's better than JH. And you CAN use both...
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Nicodemus is not fluff, he is situational. There is a difference.
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EJ also helps against S. Water Jar.
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1. Strengthening Angel
2. Disturbing Samuels Spirit
3. The Prodigal Returns
4. Lifting the Curse
5. Rabshakeh's Threats, only because there should have been a magician based enhancement instead.
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Lifting the Curse isn't fluff...I've seen it used quite effectively in a T2 deck. I think it has a tough time getting into T1 decks because White has so many great choices right now.
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1. Strengthening Angel
2. Disturbing Samuels Spirit
3. The Prodigal Returns
4. Lifting the Curse
5. Rabshakeh's Threats, only because there should have been a magician based enhancement instead.
Replace 4 and 5 with Nicodemus and Magician's Snakes and you've got the top 5 fluffy/almost useless cards.
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I'm not sure about Disturbing Samuel's Spirit and Magician's Snakes...I feel those have potential with a Egyptian/Magician defense or Brown/Magician defense. There's also a possibility for a Witch of Endor reprint that makes DSS even more viable.
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Lifting the Curse isn't fluff...I've seen it used quite effectively in a T2 deck. I think it has a tough time getting into T1 decks because White has so many great choices right now.
Agreed. In T2 it's almost like having up to 5 extra DoNs or nerfed Covenants of Noah just sitting there in my territory. Then I can save my real DoN for an actual artifact.
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Replace 4 and 5 with Nicodemus and Magician's Snakes and you've got the top 5 fluffy/almost useless cards.
Magicians Snakes is a good card. Why do you think it's Fluff?
I'm not sure about Disturbing Samuel's Spirit
It requires too much setup and depends on the opponent to use two or more brigades. I don't want to put a card in my deck thats utterly useless if they run single brigade.
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9/10 of the times most people play some kind of splash especially with all the duel colored enhancements and magicians need all the enhancement help they can get, same with brown.
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DSS is a good one to choose as most fluffy.
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It's obvious the fluffiest card is Mannahsa (yes I spelled it wrong, go ahead sue me :P)
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It's obvious the fluffiest card is Mannahsa (yes I spelled it wrong, go ahead sue me :P)
I agree with *Manasseh*
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Passover hymn has to be in the top 5 somewhere it is so bad.
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Passover Hymn is NOT a bad card. With all those high number Disciples, the ability to negate almost an unlimited number of evil enhancements could be unfathomably useful. Plus, it gets rid of one of Thaddeus' few banes, as well as any other curse you would prefer not to see anymore. And you never know when you'll need to bypass immunity. I might call it a fluff card just since it's not very original, but it's definitely not a bad or useless card.
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Passover Hymn's pretty nice. My opponent once played three devastating enhancements, finishing with a battlewinner, PH wiped them all out (plus a nasty curse he forgot about)
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Plus Passover Hymn is territory class. Except for Booster Draft at 2009 Nats, I have yet to play a game taking advantage of territory class enhancements. I really like most of them from this set.
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Lay down your life and resurrection are pretty bad also.
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Res is also TC, and can add to battle.
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Lay down your life and resurrection are pretty bad also.
Not if you use a Watchful Servant deck.
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LDyL and Resurrection are a tad on the fluffy side, but not quite. LDyL would seem to be redundant with Herod's Temple, and in many ways it is, but when your opponent has saved his CM for when you're going for your 5th soul and either can't afford to lose 5 cards to stop it or simply don't have that many cards left, it's a lifesaver.
Resurrection will recur your Hero instantly and without wasting a battle phase like CoF. It can also be a banding card. Not fluff, just not Manasseh-powered.
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I gotta say it frustrates me that when someone posts a card that is fluff someone else responds "no because it does blah blah blah..." Yes, we all know the cards have a purpose but generally speaking, in most decks, some cards are fluff. Like I understand the Marketplace can be used in several decks and possibly be awesome; but generally speaking, almost NO decks are going to run that card. It's pretty much fluff.
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If a card is useful, but only within an archetype, it's not fluff. Most decks won't use a particular horses, but they're still not fluff.
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For the definition of fluff, see Angel Wars :p
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rofl good one
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MANASSEH PRIDE WORLD WIDE.
Just kidding. That card is fluff.
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I think The Ram with Two Horns looks fluffy. But Wolves in Sheep's Clothing is very fluffy as well...
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To further clarify, if a card is useful, but only in certain decks, it's not fluff. If a card is not useful in any deck, or is eclipsed by similar, but better cards, it's fluff. All 5 of the cards I listed are in that category.
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I would say that Wash Basin is a bit fluffy because you could throw it in almost any deck w/ N.T. heroes and it would work but it is not that good necessarily unless you are playing watchful servant which apparently it doesn't matter if it works in a certain kind of deck.
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I think you're mistaking being unuseful in every deck with being useful in any deck. :P I mean seriously, Wash Basin is a demon killer and an all-around amazing card in any deck you can use it in, without needing much luck to work wonders. That card is not fluff.
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I would say it's an all-around fair card, not an all-around amazing card.
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For the definition of fluff, see Angel Wars :p
I totally agree, the only good cards in there are chambers and michael.
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For the definition of fluff, see Angel Wars :p
I totally agree, the only good cards in there are chambers and michael.
The I ams anyone?
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Those are nice for middling players who want some extra oomph.
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I am Creator is pretty important in Job offenses.
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I think The Ram with Two Horns looks fluffy. But Wolves in Sheep's Clothing is very fluffy as well...
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing is one of the best cards. Combine that with the Deceiver in T2, and that's ten autoblocks for no cost, unlike Uzzah.
I used I am Salvation in my FBTN deck last year, as I was worried about Holy Grail + Punisher, NT, and Female only. Now with FBTN lost soul out, there's not much use in it.
I still use I am Grace from time to time, usually only in T2.
Like Lambo said, I am Creator is okay.
And some people like I am Justice. I don't.
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Don't forget I am Healing in Heroless.
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Those are nice for middling players who want some extra oomph.
Um I got 4th in root last month and I use I ams when I can find a deck that needs them. Ahimaaz/I am patience is a reuseable Holy Grail.
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And let's not forget Torment, Lurking, the Lost Souls, and Que.
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And let's not forget Torment, Lurking, the Lost Souls, and Que.
My forgotten why weesa no liking Angel Wars!
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I think The Ram with Two Horns looks fluffy. But Wolves in Sheep's Clothing is very fluffy as well...
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing is one of the best cards. Combine that with the Deceiver in T2, and that's ten autoblocks for no cost, unlike Uzzah.
I think he meant literally fluffy. ;)
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And let's not forget Torment, Lurking, the Lost Souls, and Que.
QFT, Que is hoss.
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Primary Objective is mostly fluff but could be good if you had cards that you are willing to rid yourself of.
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But by the same rule that neutered the IaH/Chamber combo, PA doesn't work if you have angels in your hand with Chamber in play, right? That makes it even harder to use.
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But by the same rule that neutered the IaH/Chamber combo, PA doesn't work if you have angels in your hand with Chamber in play, right? That makes it even harder to use.
I guess I would have to say no, though I could potentially see an interpretation that says that if at least one of the cards in your hand actually went to the discard pile, it would work, because the cost for PO is more ambiguous than for, say, I am Holy.
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I would rule that if there were any Angels in your hand, PO would not work if Chamber was out. You didn't Discard your hand if you set aside some cards instead.
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I would rule that if there were any Angels in your hand, PO would not work if Chamber was out. You didn't Discard your hand if you set aside some cards instead.
+1