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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: drb1200 on August 12, 2009, 08:59:08 PM
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What set is your favorite based on look and appearance? I think Apostles-Priests were very bad, and I love TexP and the limited/unlimited design. I miss the original artwork and such. What was your favorite era based one appearance and graphics?
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Base set through some of Warriors. The specially commissioned art was usually great. Of course, I'm purposely forgetting Silas and Banner of Love. :)
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Angel wars is my favorite for some reason
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Angel wars is my favorite for some reason
Sarcasm is hard to pick up on without the use of voice or faces.
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i wasn't being sarcastic
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I'm sorry to hear you feel that way.
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There was good art in all the sets IMO, I really don't see what people have against the Angel Wars set.
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Que.
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Yeah, he looks like he's from star wars.
I like the warriors-apostles sets, a lot of the art is great, like all the AOCOM, eternal studios and Doug gray did a lot during that time.
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I really liked some very few cards from AW, like Lurking for example.
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Everything pre-apostles except women's
but probably prophets
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I really liked some very few cards from AW, like Lurking for example.
Seriously dude? How could you forget Sent to Serve?
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I really liked some very few cards from AW, like Lurking for example.
Seriously dude? How could you forget Sent to Serve?
Revealer 'nuff said
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I actually like the art on the revealer.
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From angel wars I think my favourite art is on Chamber of Angels.
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Yeah, he looks like he's from star wars.
I like the warriors-apostles sets, a lot of the art is great, like all the AOCOM, eternal studios and Doug gray did a lot during that time.
eternal studios/cahaba, aocom = wyn.
doug grey = fail.
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You like AOCOM art?
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my mistake, i meant jamison services.
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Yeah, he looks like he's from star wars.
I like the warriors-apostles sets, a lot of the art is great, like all the AOCOM, eternal studios and Doug gray did a lot during that time.
eternal studios/cahaba, aocom = wyn.
doug grey = fail.
Doug Gray = Fail?? NO WAY dude.
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While a couple things aren't my favorite (Carcasses!), a lot of his work, especially his weapons, are nice.
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Yeah, he looks like he's from star wars.
I like the warriors-apostles sets, a lot of the art is great, like all the AOCOM, eternal studios and Doug gray did a lot during that time.
eternal studios/cahaba, aocom = wyn.
doug grey = fail.
Doug Gray = Fail?? NO WAY dude.
his artwork is rather similiar to what my 3 year old niece can do. imo, its horrendous compared to some of the other artwork of redemption. some of the old skool artists from the limited/unlimited era are pretty stellar as well...aoc anyone?
While a couple things aren't my favorite (Carcasses!), a lot of his work, especially his weapons, are nice.
have you noticed that the only things he has ever drawn are inanimate objects...?
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Yeah, he looks like he's from star wars.
I like the warriors-apostles sets, a lot of the art is great, like all the AOCOM, eternal studios and Doug gray did a lot during that time.
eternal studios/cahaba, aocom = wyn.
doug grey = fail.
Doug Gray has some of the greatest art in the game! He will never be a "fail". He used to be a huge help in getting this game started and only isn't around anymore because of his job making him too busy and forcing him to move to very inconvenient locations. He should be shown a little more respect.
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LOL...so you think just because he was a 'huge help' in getting this game started, his artwork is automatically dubbed 'good' and he is immune to critique? sorry, but most of his artwork looks like childish scribblings. this has nothing to do with respect; it is my opinion. and you wont change that.
it amazes me how naive some people can be.
doug grays artwork = epic fail.
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Yeah i am naive...ignore everything I say.
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It's a matter of taste. I would not call Priestly Breastplate, Poison of Dragons, or Sword of the Spirit "childish scribblings." Someone being helpful to the progress of the game has no relation to how they should view their artwork - see David Easterling for proof about that. There's a difference between Ittai and Book of the Wars though.
Incidentally, I looked through the REG's TP pictures, and I noticed there's some new Michael Ulrich art! I didn't expect that, but I hope the trend continues; along with the reused artwork from cards from the first three sets, I'm glad to see some return to the older style.
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There is no child who could draw anything remotely close to what Doug Gray draws...sure he is no Michelangelo but he is FAR from childish scribbles. But take no meaning from that, in fact ignore it, I am naive.
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Adding on to Tims comment, you call these childish scribblings as well?
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yeah i dont think I have ever seen a child draw anything like that. Let alone "scribble" anything like that.
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It's a matter of taste. I would not call Priestly Breastplate, Poison of Dragons, or Sword of the Spirit "childish scribblings." Someone being helpful to the progress of the game has no relation to how they should view their artwork - see David Easterling for proof about that. There's a difference between Ittai and Book of the Wars though.
Incidentally, I looked through the REG's TP pictures, and I noticed there's some new Michael Ulrich art! I didn't expect that, but I hope the trend continues; along with the reused artwork from cards from the first three sets, I'm glad to see some return to the older style.
to me, drawing inanimate objects (which he does 100% of the time) has never struck me as being above average. no movement or flow in motion results in very lackluster artwork. you can gloss it up all you want with photoshop...but its like putting perfume on poop. i'll pass.
lambo: maybe 'childish scribblings' was a bit of hyperbole (except for carcasses, of course), but there is nothing epic in those pictures. very simple designs, hardly any detail, nothing aesthetically pleasing about it. congratulations, hes been upgraded to 'middle school art: 101'. its meh, at best.
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I'll agree those arent the best pictures in the game, but I'll say its better than what you're describing it as.
However, I also take some offense to that. I fail at drawing people, but I'm pretty good at doing still life sketches in black and white pencil... does that mean my art fails as well?
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I'll agree those arent the best pictures in the game, but I'll say its better than what you're describing it as.
However, I also take some offense to that. I fail at drawing people, but I'm pretty good at doing still life sketches in black and white pencil... does that mean my art fails as well?
i havent seen your artwork so i cant judge it at this point. your artwork doesnt automatically fail if you do sketches in black and white, or whatever your medium may be. but if you put your artwork in a public forum and open yourself up to critque and your artwork sucked, sure, i'd let you know if it was fail.
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Did you LOOK at the cards lambo posted? I do see detail...how about the water in the background of Angel Sword, the leaves flowing in the water? Or how about the men posted on top of the Wall on WoP? Quite a bit of detail in the shading (which isn't easy to do accurately and realistically). And those are only two cards, just give the guys art some more respect...its not something anyone can do.
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i havent seen your artwork so i cant judge it at this point. your artwork doesnt automatically fail if you do sketches in black and white, or whatever your medium may be. but if you put your artwork in a public forum and open yourself up to critque and your artwork sucked, sure, i'd let you know if it was fail.
Bring it on. ;)
Here is the one that I consider my best as far as shading and such goes. Its pretty simple because it was a simple assignment. Draw an object inside a crumbled paper bag. Also, it was a fairly large drawing and its graphite, so getting a drawing/scan of it is really tricky. It looks better in person, but this looks good enough imo:
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That is really good! Definitely way better than I can do! Job well done! :)
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Did you LOOK at the cards lambo posted? I do see detail...how about the water in the background of Angel Sword, the leaves flowing in the water? Or how about the men posted on top of the Wall on WoP? Quite a bit of detail in the shading (which isn't easy to do accurately and realistically). And those are only two cards, just give the guys art some more respect...its not something anyone can do.
water = object
leaves = object
men = object
shading = ...is shading. can be used to bring out detail, but is a pretty simple practice to employ nonetheless.
this also has absolutely nothing to do with respect, or the things other people can do (well, it does, and those other people in redemption do it far better than doug gray). im just not a big fan on doug grays artwork and never will be. i understand you're a huge progenitor behind the 'doug gray awesome artwork fan club', but please refrain from forcefully trying to implant your own ideals and values into other peoples heads. his artwork isnt that hot, and thats my opinion. 'nuff said.
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water = object
leaves = object
men = object
shading = ...is shading. can be used to bring out detail, but is a pretty simple practice to employ nonetheless.
Well what exactly are you looking for in art? Theres ALWAYS going to be objects.... what else would you have a picture of?
Also, shading is NOT as simple as you make it out to be. Go shade like you see in WoP and then let me see how you did. My camera picture is basicly all made from shading. You dont just use shading to bring out detail, you use it to give a picture dimention.
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Didn't he do Chariot of Fire? I think if nothing else that one has pretty good art. Although I may just be thinking he did the art since I have a Warriors CoF signed by him.
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ej is trying to claim detail in grays pictures are the 'men', 'water', 'leaves', etc. that is not detail; those are objects. objects have the capacity to retain detail, not the other way around.
as far as shading, it was in regards to ej's reference to detail. i never claimed it did not entertain other faculties as well.
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I will sorta agree that objects themselves carry the details, but still, WoP does have a fair amount of detail in it. Sure its largely bricks, but they have texture to them that actualy makes them LOOK like bricks, rather than shaded blocks. Many of his other pieces have similarly good levels of detail.
However, I will agree that carcasses is pretty bad. That doesnt make all his work epic fails though.
Oh, and I'm still waiting on if my artwork I posted is fail. ;)
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i didnt realize anyone would be so anxious to get my fail stamp. :D
but no, its a solid piece, considering the medium and what its supposed to be. im particularly fond of the varying gradients of shading (which is practically non-existent in dougs pieces). overall nice piece. YOU HAVE ESCAPED MY FAIL STAMP TODAY!!!!!!! :laugh:
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I will say this about the levels of shading in Doug's work.
Shading in black and white and shading in color are actually pretty different. Shading in color is notably harder, because you not only have to deal with the lightness/darkness, but the color value as well.
Example:
A blue metal ball has a slightly yellow light on it, and there is a green object next to it. You first have to consider the shades of blue on the ball, then the yellow lighting, and THEN the green object being reflected off the metal. If that was to be done in black and white, then all you need to use is varying shades of grey. It really is harder than it looks.
All that being said, I do also have to agree that some of doug's pieces can look sorta flat in terms of contrast of shading.
In case you havent noticed... I am currently an art major. ;)
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I love the art on alot of cards. Some of my favorites include Guardian of Your Souls and Evil Fire. I love the Mayhem art as well.
Kirk
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I love the art on alot of cards. Some of my favorites include Guardian of Your Souls and Evil Fire. I love the Mayhem art as well.
Kirk
Oh I know. Mayhem's art is incredible. Evil Fire was one of my favorite arts for a while as well. While I'm usually not much for anime/cartoon style stuff, that style artwork fits CCGs very well.
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Didn't he do Chariot of Fire? I think if nothing else that one has pretty good art. Although I may just be thinking he did the art since I have a Warriors CoF signed by him.
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Didn't he do Chariot of Fire? I think if nothing else that one has pretty good art. Although I may just be thinking he did the art since I have a Warriors CoF signed by him.
Yeah chariot of fire is done by Doug. I like the art on a bunch of the cards he has done.
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One of the playtesters who has also done artwork, William Hartman I think, is my least favorite sorry. I think it's great he is doing artwork for the game but if you are criticizing Dougie throw Willy into the mix too. I like Douglas' over Will's anyday...
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I just looked at the TxP images for the first time and WOW. Sure there's still Salome and Magic Charms, but for the most part the art is absolutely superb! Mayhem and Gates of Hell are beast, all the old-style cards are cool, but definitely Ahaz is my favorite.
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I just looked at the TxP images for the first time and WOW. Sure there's still Salome and Magic Charms, but for the most part the art is absolutely superb! Mayhem and Gates of Hell are beast, all the old-style cards are cool, but definitely Ahaz is my favorite.
I agree, the art is awesome. I can't wait to get my hands on gates myself, that card is scary :D
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i like the the kings art esply micheal.
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I like the Apostles art the best I think...a lot of it is classic artists like rembrandt I believe? Another card I really like is Ark of the Covenant by Michael Ulrich. Someone mentioned this card already (I think Master Chief) but AoC is a great piece of work too.
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I like the Apostles art the best I think...a lot of it is classic artists like rembrandt I believe? Another card I really like is Ark of the Covenant by Michael Ulrich. Someone mentioned this card already (I think Master Chief) but AoC is a great piece of work too.
Apostles? I though apostles were known for very bad art quality.
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I like the Apostles art the best I think...a lot of it is classic artists like rembrandt I believe? Another card I really like is Ark of the Covenant by Michael Ulrich. Someone mentioned this card already (I think Master Chief) but AoC is a great piece of work too.
Apostles? I though apostles were known for very bad art quality.
Horray for pixely images!
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I like the Apostles art the best I think...a lot of it is classic artists like rembrandt I believe? Another card I really like is Ark of the Covenant by Michael Ulrich. Someone mentioned this card already (I think Master Chief) but AoC is a great piece of work too.
Apostles? I though apostles were known for very bad art quality.
Horray for pixely images!
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Bitmap Ftl
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I like the Apostles art the best I think...a lot of it is classic artists like rembrandt I believe? Another card I really like is Ark of the Covenant by Michael Ulrich. Someone mentioned this card already (I think Master Chief) but AoC is a great piece of work too.
Apostles? I though apostles were known for very bad art quality.
it does, i think apostles is the expansion that is known for starting 'the bad artwork era'. cactus started using artwork that was free and in public domain, and thats where the art quality spiraled downwards. i think apostles also marked the end of using eternal studios original artwork.
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I like the Apostles art the best I think...a lot of it is classic artists like rembrandt I believe? Another card I really like is Ark of the Covenant by Michael Ulrich. Someone mentioned this card already (I think Master Chief) but AoC is a great piece of work too.
Apostles? I though apostles were known for very bad art quality.
Horray for pixely images!
Bitmap Ftl
I mean the card art, not the image from the REG. You see all the pixels in the art. :D
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My favorite art was probably the stuff from Warriors.... it's pretty awesomeness.
And I have 3 words about bad art: Ittai and Faithful Servant. (what do those have in common? lol)
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My favorite art was probably the stuff from Warriors.... it's pretty awesomeness.
And I have 3 words about bad art: Ittai and Faithful Servant. (what do those have in common? lol)
Whicj FS?
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I looked up Ittai and wondered "how is that considered bad art?" and then realized I clicked the kings version.
To The Warrior - Promo
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I looked up Ittai and wondered "how is that considered bad art?" and then realized I clicked the kings version.
To The Warrior - Promo
i agree Ittai(wa) and FSp =art fail
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;D
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My favorite art was probably the stuff from Warriors.... it's pretty awesomeness.
And I have 3 words about bad art: Ittai and Faithful Servant. (what do those have in common? lol)
i really wish cactus would bring back jamison services art. i know there was a bunch of unused artwork from jamison that they could have tapped into.
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My favorite art was probably the stuff from Warriors.... it's pretty awesomeness.
And I have 3 words about bad art: Ittai and Faithful Servant. (what do those have in common? lol)
i really wish cactus would bring back jamison services art. i know there was a bunch of unused artwork from jamison that they could have tapped into.
How do you know?
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Doug Gray has some of my favorite (CoF) and some of my least favorite (Carcasses) artwork. However, my absolute fivvity-favorite is definitely the GoodSalt stuff. All that art is just amazing IMO. Anyone else?
Also, worst art ever: Angel Wars, hands down (all except for the Revealer art of course).
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My favorite art was probably the stuff from Warriors.... it's pretty awesomeness.
And I have 3 words about bad art: Ittai and Faithful Servant. (what do those have in common? lol)
i really wish cactus would bring back jamison services art. i know there was a bunch of unused artwork from jamison that they could have tapped into.
How do you know?
they released a series of cards that depicted a bunch of their artowrk on it. i acquired my set from bany. it has a bunch of artwork used for redemption, plus tons more.
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I understand that apostle art is pixely (spelling) but just the fact that its the classic stuff...I like the classic artists, don't get me wrong I like the other cards too and maybe I am just minority but I do like it. The pictures could be blurry because the artists used brush strokes or something and it wasn't meant to be extremely detail oriented. I don't know a lot about art but I am pretty sure there is a kind of art like that. Ananias has good art, Emperor Claudius, Denial of Christ, Emperor Nero, and I like pierced heart though I am sure no one else does haha.
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I understand that apostle art is pixely (spelling) but just the fact that its the classic stuff...I like the classic artists, don't get me wrong I like the other cards too and maybe I am just minority but I do like it. The pictures could be blurry because the artists used brush strokes or something and it wasn't meant to be extremely detail oriented. I don't know a lot about art but I am pretty sure there is a kind of art like that. Ananias has good art, Emperor Claudius, Denial of Christ, Emperor Nero, and I like pierced heart though I am sure no one else does haha.
Well the reason they're pixely is because they were enlarged way too many times.
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Confusion by far I mean look at the way the darkness goes around the guys hand. Wierd
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i like aocom