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Title: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 18, 2010, 10:45:16 AM: Okay, to start off, I liked the movie as a movie. However, because it was my favorite book of the seven, it fell short. Very short (although, not as short as I expected). They did a great job with Eustace.

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They killed the story of the book, which I expected, since it would have been difficult to make a great movie if it was solely based on the book. However, I didn't like the whole "darkness" thing. Surely they could have come up with something better.

So glad they put in the end part of Aslan also being in our world, but going by a different name.

The islands were too jumpy. The Lone Islands was two scenes. I wish they would have done the take over. I'm glad they combined Gold Water Island and Dragon Island. Coriakin's Island was well done as well, but again, it just seemed to go by too fast. Raymandu's Island...and no Raymandu??!?! RAGE! This island should have been the most important island. Instead Darkness Island was. Lame. Seriously, they could have come up with a better story, and sailed further to the end of the world for Reepicheep. Darkness Island was well done, but the whole story with it was lame. Why would Lord Rupe go there if it was after Raymandu's Island? It should have been before, like in the books. The Albatross was there for two seconds. Lame.

Dragon Eustace was well done. Kinda glad he stayed a dragon most of the time. They should have had more on his transformation, but I liked the line at the end: "No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get it off myself..."

The whole Lucy wanting to be Susan was a bit exaggerated. It was a brief part in the book, and it either should have been that in the movie, or not there. Glad they dropped out the eavesdropping part, since that was a small part in the book as well.
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on December 18, 2010, 12:43:08 PM: See, this is why I'm glad that I'm fairly confident that my favorite book will never be made, because it doesn't focus on the main kiddo's. Because I agree that it fell short of the book by a wide margin.
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 18, 2010, 01:19:46 PM: Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on December 18, 2010, 12:43:08 PM
See, this is why I'm glad that I'm fairly confident that my favorite book will never be made, because it doesn't focus on the main kiddo's. Because I agree that it fell short of the book by a wide margin.
Horse and His Boy?
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on December 18, 2010, 01:51:22 PM: Fo Sho'
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Ironica on December 18, 2010, 04:41:10 PM: Well, it is the next one.

Also, is the white whitch really in it or was that a little holleywood teaser?
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 18, 2010, 04:49:33 PM: She's in the darkness island. A nightmare come true, for sure. I didn't mind that part, although the trailer made me a bit skeptical.
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: sk on December 18, 2010, 04:56:19 PM: Really beautiful camera work.

I agree that the changes were annoying, but the final product somehow felt a bit more in the spirit of the books that the previous films. I think the new director better understood the tone of the series, that they aren't epic battle stories, they simply have moments of action. They got Eustace right (who was portrayed quite well), but I didn't care much for Lucy or Edmund at all, I think the actors have grown too old for the roles. I overall wanted a longer film with more exploring and character building... and much less sword collecting. But they got the ending right, so I'm okay with it.

The White Witch's role was very minor and reasonable, IMO.

If another is made (which is unlikely with the weak domestic box office, but possible considering they do well overseas), it will be Silver Chair. Reason:
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In the final scene, back on earth, Eustace's mom mentions that Jill Pole is coming by later.
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: crustpope on December 18, 2010, 05:44:45 PM: I did not really like the movie. It stands well as a movie goes, but it has some major plot changes that help it to move along but some of the best parts are only dealt with in a sidewasy manner (such as the "undressing" of Eustace). The Dark Island played a minor role in the book and is elevated to antagonist in the movie and I think that is a shame.

I would be really surprised if they make any of the other movies since they are so different than the first three.
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 18, 2010, 05:52:21 PM: Quote from: crustpope on December 18, 2010, 05:44:45 PM
I did not really like the movie. It stands well as a movie goes, but it has some major plot changes that help it to move along but some of the best parts are only dealt with in a sidewasy manner (such as the "undressing" of Eustace). The Dark Island played a minor role in the book and is elevated to antagonist in the movie and I think that is a shame.

I would be really surprised if they make any of the other movies since they are so different than the first three.
I wouldn't be surprised if they make The Silver Chair. Especially since they mentioned Jill and Eustace being able to go back. After that they'll have to decide whether they want to make the rest. I can't really see them doing The Last Battle without doing The Magician's Nephew.
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Ironica on December 18, 2010, 07:40:10 PM: Can't believe I forgot about the silver chair :p.

The dark island is actually my fav chapter in the book (due to rthe fact that it makes you use your imagination.

So other than them searching for swords and revealing some nightmares, what else is different (event wise)?
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 18, 2010, 08:37:31 PM: Quote from: Ironica on December 18, 2010, 07:40:10 PM
So other than them searching for swords and revealing some nightmares, what else is different (event wise)?
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That's the whole point of the movie. It's really not about finding the seven lords at all, but finding the swords that they had from Narnia.
If you read my spoiler, Dragon and Death Water were one island, The Lone Islands is just an intro to the darkness, no Governor Gumpus, it's all about slaves, and Lord Bern is a slave, not a lord. Coriakin's Island is before Dragon and Death Water Island, and Raymandu's Island is before Darkness Island.
Quote from: sk on December 18, 2010, 04:56:19 PM
I agree that the changes were annoying, but the final product somehow felt a bit more in the spirit of the books that the previous films. I think the new director better understood the tone of the series, that they aren't epic battle stories, they simply have moments of action.
Totally agree. The battle scenes were a bit too much in Prince Caspian, although LWW was okay.
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If another is made (which is unlikely with the weak domestic box office, but possible considering they do well overseas), it will be Silver Chair. Reason:
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In the final scene, back on earth, Eustace's mom mentions that Jill Pole is coming by later.
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Disliked that. Since Eustace was a jerk to Jill (as he was with everybody). He wasn't friends. I wouldn't doubt if they tried The Silver Chair though.
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Gabe on December 18, 2010, 08:46:02 PM: It's been long enough since I read the books that I don't remember all the details. That being said I thought this was the best Narnia movie so far.
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Prof Underwood on December 19, 2010, 09:03:52 PM: Things I missed that were in the book but not in the movie:
The dethroning of Governor Gumpus, much more dialog from the hilarious dufflepods, a more flushed out scene with Aslan de-dragonning Eustace

Things that I didn't really like being added to the movie that weren't in the book:
Eustace staying a dragon across several adventures including fighting the sea serpent, the ubiquitous white witch who they seem to throw into EVERY movie, the whole plot line of finding the 7 swords to break the dark magic, Lucy's character giving into temptation and the whole scene with here and Edmund and Peter. If this stuff had all been cut out, they could have included the things that I mentioned being left out above.

Things that I thought were great: The bedroom scene entering the picture, the scene where Lucy is reading the spell book in the library, Eustace's character development, and really a good job overall of creating a world that looked much the way I imagine it reading the books.

Overall, it was a good movie, and I'm glad it was made and that I watched it. I'll look forward to seeing the Silver Chair (if they ever make it).
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Lozo777 on December 19, 2010, 11:42:25 PM: I'm actually surprised that a movie with such a strong Christian message made it to the theaters. I thought was great.. Not enough violence though. If you're going to have a sword how about you use it instead of punching them with it? :P
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 20, 2010, 12:37:37 AM: Quote from: Prof Underwood on December 19, 2010, 09:03:52 PM
the ubiquitous white witch who they seem to throw into EVERY movie
Yeah, a bit ticked off at that. In this movie, it was okay, since it was only a nightmare (although all of that was a little bit much anyway), but seeing her in Prince Caspian was frustrating, considering they never got that far.
Title: Re: Dawn Treader (Spoilers)
Post by: Ironica on December 20, 2010, 02:01:00 AM: Even though I was upset that they had her in the second movie, edmond's line after destroying the...thingy was one of my fav in the movie.