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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: TimMierz on June 16, 2009, 08:52:09 AM
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Since at least early yesterday, http://cactusgamedesign.com/red_game_articles_TeP-3.php (http://cactusgamedesign.com/red_game_articles_TeP-3.php) has pointed to a password-or-M&M-requiring page. It's so close, just out of reach, but alas. I know it's there, but it won't let us see...
Wonder what it's going to be... last set we saw two Fortresses, two Heroes, an Evil Character, and some hints at Lost Souls. I'm going to guess some kind of support card (Fortress, Artifact, Site, Dominant) will be this week's article, out of pure blind guessing.
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Why can't we see it? If it is already written and it is now Teusday, why hasn't this been released yet?
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SOMEONE MAIL HIM A LARGE BAG OF PEANUT M&M'S!!!!!!
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Article 3?!? I'm still contemplating a Section 8!
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He has it. It will hopefully be up later today or tomorrow. Maybe he hasn't posted it yet because it contains too many titles of new cards. He might be trimming out card names first. :)
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TIm, you need to run to Rob's house and bring him Peanut M&M's!
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TIm, you need to run to Rob's house and bring him Peanut M&M's!
No way am I jogging from southern South Carolina to western North Carolina in this humidity!
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The 2nd article was posted around noon pacific time. Just give 'em a few hours to rewrite the interwebz.
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Don't worry folks, I sent Rob a bag of dark chocolate peanut M&M's via facebook. The article should be up any moment now. ;D
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You never fail to win us a good thread Gabe.
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MWAHAHAHAHA, I love High Places..... as will you all when you get to see it.
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=9 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=9)
Such a teaser.
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I erm... uhm......... yeah................. hehehe..... :angel:
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That's a lowdown dirty trick.
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I'm not going to lie though... I know its awesome. ;)
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High Places is the Z's Temple of last year, TGT of this year, the card everyone will be complaining about next year.
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Oh manse. TGT and High Places are both article #3. Gasp!
I don't know where the FOOF and older articles can be found. Too bad, because it's fun to look back at the articles, and they're very well written.
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Indeed... mwahahahaha.
Though, Gabe... how many people do you think will honestly use it? It uses such a different strategy than most decks I see...
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Tim,
They used to have all old articles still up on Cactus' web page. Thats funny, they are no longer there. Maybe Rob knows where they are now?
Kirk
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I don't know where the FOOF and older articles can be found. Too bad, because it's fun to look back at the articles, and they're very well written.
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?action=articles (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?action=articles)
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One of the reasons I made the Articles section for the board was to try and pull together the old articles in an archive. I was able to grab all the RoA material but everything older than that was already gone :(
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Gabe, that's got RoA and newer, but not FOOF and older. I'm thankful, Stephen, that you were able to save the RoA stuff at least.
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I still have the old articles on my computer. Maybe I'll post them tonight.
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No matter what any of the playtesters say I still think that hardly any people will use Highplaces or at least use no one will use Highplaces to its potential :P
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No matter what any of the playtesters say I still think that hardly any people will use Highplaces High Places or at least use no one will use Highplaces High Places to its potential :P
Fixed your typos. ;)
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Leviticus 26:30?
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Article 3 now has more views than article 2, despite it not being posted yet. Awesome.
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Bryon, I went back and read through the articles, cool stuff. Thanks for reposting those!
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It's literally a fount of information now! I love it!
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[edit] Eh, can't even use the opportunity for a good Rick Roll thanks to the Web 2.0yness...
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TIm, you need to run to Rob's house and bring him Peanut M&M's!
I live an hour away from Cactus so I could probably do it? (But I don't wanna.)
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Update: It turns out I sent Rob a file his computer can't read. I should have known better, since I did that a couple articles ago and had to change format and resend.
Anyway, Rob now has the correct file, but he's running a local tournament today and won't be able to post it until either late today, or more likely, tomorrow.
In the meantime, how about another hint:
it is an OT evil fortress. (like you couldn't have guessed)
OK, one more hint:
it's shiny!
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Can the fortress hold characters? I only ask because I want to know how much I can annoy opponents by saying that "I've got friends in High Places."
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Update: It turns out I sent Rob a file his computer can't read. I should have known better, since I did that a couple articles ago and had to change format and resend.
If you can give me some details about this occurrence (I suspect I know the problem but it's not explicitly stated here), I might be able to set Rob up so that he is able to open your files without issue.
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I saved it in the newest version of word (.docx)
He can open it if I save it as a Word 97-03 doc (.doc)
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I had a feeling that's what happened... Thats pretty annoying how the default for the new Word doesnt work with earlier versions...
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That reminds me I need to buy Microsoft Word...
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I saved it in the newest version of word (.docx)
He can open it if I save it as a Word 97-03 doc (.doc)
Easy fix.
Email sent.
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Enjoy.
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awesome!!!
Another great article
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I agree with Bryon, TGT has met its match, sadly, No one who counts is gonna use it, despite its epicness.
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Nicely thought out Evil Fortress. Down n' Dirty is what High Places seems to be about. This release is gonna be fun.
Godspeed,
Mike
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very, very, VERY sick card.
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Ho
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cow
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Some questions:
Joseph's Brothers' Scheme:
Select two human Heroes in play to fight each other. The loser is placed in holder's Land of Bondage and is treated as a Lost Soul.
1) Can you play Joseph's Brothers' Scheme outside of battle with High Places?
2) If yes to 1), is the hero captured from battle or territory?
Seemingly Insignificant:
Reveal one card at random from opponent’s hand, and place on top of owner’s draw pile. If no Lost Soul is rescued this turn, discard the top two cards of opponent’s draw pile.
1) If Seemingly Insignificant is played in the discard phase and no LS was rescued during battle (or earlier in the turn), does the second sentence work?
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JBS: no. It says "placed" not "place." At least, that is how I ruled it in my playtest group. :)
Seemingly Insignificant: yes. It happened in play testing. :) However, it was decided that playing SI before the rescue attempt was better for two reasons: (1) it gave the blocker one fewer card to use, and (2) if you hit a card that they really don't want to lose, they are more likely to let you rescue the lost soul that turn.
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So Holy of Holies does not affect Kings Strong Angel?
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I'm assuming you need an evil character of matching brigade in territory in order to use this... I hope... :prayer:
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I Am Truth:
Good enhancements with "ignore" in the special ability cannot be negated by evil cards.
I don't play White, but I thought the SA applied to variations on "ignore" as well. There are only 9 that say "ignore" as opposed to some variation, so that would take most of the teeth out of I Am Truth.
Schaef - all versions of HoH are errata'ed to play like the Priests version, so they negate SA types, not words (at least in the current online REG).
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Okay, thank you. That had escaped my attention.
I'm assuming you need an evil character of matching brigade in territory in order to use this...
Yes. Brigade match is always required (as it is on other abilities that do similar things), unless you get the "regardless of brigade" exception.
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Too bad you guys had to add the discard after capture :P Hehehe playtesting it with out that sentance in type 2 was fun ::)
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It was the compromise between breaking capture and only using it on "place" abilities (which then leads to figuring out what's a "place" and what's just a destination for something else).
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+1
This version is much cooler than the one that only worked on cards who's ability "begin with the word place".
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Mwahaha, now I can finally talk about its awesomness.
I don't play White, but I thought the SA applied to variations on "ignore" as well. There are only 9 that say "ignore" as opposed to some variation, so that would take most of the teeth out of I Am Truth.
Nope, it doesnt work with Scarlet Line for example. It needs to litterally have the word "Ignore." Same goes with this card, needs to have the word "Place"... no 'd at the end.
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I wasn't talking about Scarlet Line. Only 9 good enhancements (3 when I Am Truth was printed, one of which couldn't be negated anyway) say "ignore", vs. almost 20 that say "ignores" or "ignored" (several reprints there). Same issue with the original Priestly Breastplate.
The other question is whether or not this applies to just specifying the root word ("ignore", like I Am Truth) vs. variations on it ("ignores", like I Am Love).
Schaef brought up a good point - at one point, the ruling was that it applied to other tenses/variations, because HoH negated the words "interrupt, prevent, and negate" and the Warriors TSA (and Ira, Benaiah, and Moses) said "interrupted and prevented" and they were negated by HoH. Maybe it's not that way now, but it was recently (at one point, I saw an errata where all versions of HoH negated the words instead the SA types).
Maybe this discussion needs to be moved to Ruling Questions (I didn't want to deal with Spoiler stuff), since it's getting off of the article.
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i really don't like the sound of it
it's too....how can i say it.....OverPowered
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There are ways around it. Like Bryon, I too became a big fan of orange/pale placement defense. But I also gave a boost to another Hero reprinted in this set which undermines the very defense I love to play.
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Do you need a hug Schaef?
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Ho
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:o My sentiments exactly. I think the Abom strategy with this is EPIC. and I AM GRACE will have to be a staple in every deck from here on out.
This is insane. In dont even know where to begin to defend against this. used to be you only had to worry about your Heros while you were on offense, now you have to worry about heros all the time because with High places they can be hit pretty much whenever.
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:o My sentiments exactly. I think the Abom strategy with this is EPIC. and I AM GRACE will have to be a staple in every deck from here on out.
Disagree. What exactly is so dangerous about this card other than a few paralyzers, Sin in the Camps, and random soul shufflers?
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Here are the EEs I found with the word "place" in the SA:
Doctrine like Leaven
Net
Abomination of Desolation
Breaking the Covenant
Consumed by Wants
Cornered
Danites Attack
Reckless Endangerment
Satan Released
Wings of Calamity
Wickedness of Delilah
Bad Decision
Brothers' Envy
Broken Cisterns
Dungeon of Malchiah
Land Purchase
Prison Guards
Rebellious
Seeds of Rebellion
Threatened Lives
Weakness
Wounded
Boasting of Strength
Dejected
Masquerading
Oblivious
Seeds of Doubt
Set Fire
Sold into Slavery
Boasing Riches
Denial of Christ
Enticed
Guards
Pagan Sacrifices
Seemingly Insignificant
Spreading Mildew
Subject Deserted
Take as a Slave
Temptation
Wicked Community
Fortify Site
Banishment
Deceptive Sin
Evil Advice
Fearfulness
Snare
Pride in Position
Built on Sand
Lukewarm
Poison of Dragons
The Rabsaris Attacks
Chariots of the Sun
Lying in Wait
Assyria Conquers Israel
Angry Travelers
Boasing of Wisdom
Consumed by Doubt
Defiant
Fear of Danger
Possessed
Sin in the Camp
Slave Trade
Stocks
Thorn in the Flesh
As for the "place" vs "placed" debate, in the other thread, I just wrote what I told my playtest group. I am not confident that I was correct. I just assumed that the word had to match, but I'd be OK going the other way, if that is the precident.
If we get to use "placed" as well then we gain these five:
Gibeonite Treaty
Joseph's Brothers' Scheme
Outburst of Anger
Divisions in the Church
Leprosy
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Bryon did say 55 or so. Casting Lots says "replace", which I'm not sure qualifies. Consumed by Doubt has to be placed on a hero "in battle", so it's useless with High Places.
Bryon also said that it needed to say "place" not "placed", which would cut the number down. I don't think there's a final answer on that though.
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Threatened Lives
Fun use for it :D
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My two favorites on that list are Set Fire and Danites Attack. ;)
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Threatened Lives
Fun use for it :D
Dont be revealing my single favorite new card to use with High Places now. ;) I'll just say I've played a few games with this combo, and it is an absolute MONSTER. ;D
I'll just list my favorites since the list is pretty much up now...
Threatened Lives
Weakness
Broken Cisterns
Land Purchase
Spreading Mildew
Assyria Conquers Israel
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My gosh... I'm just sitting here thinking about how awesome site decks are going to be with this card. I might be able to revive my old standby. :)
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I'm sitting here KNOWING how awesome site decks are with this card. :)
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Hey,
I'm sitting here KNOWING how awesome site decks are with this card. :)
Because site decks aren't awesome without this card?
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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I stand corrected.
I'm sitting here KNOWING how (Even MORE) awesome site decks are with this card.
Better? ;)
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Spreading Mildew becomes like another Image of Jealousy with this card. ;D
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Spreading Mildew becomes like another Image of Jealousy with this card. ;D
Each brigade gets a huge boost with this card on defense. Orange gets the biggest though.
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I kinda thought that Pale Green got the biggest boost but I suppose that's arguable.
I updated the list.
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I think Bryon said that verb tenses would be allowed. So "placed" would be okay. "Places" would also be allowed, if any exist that are not the plural noun.
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JBS: no. It says "placed" not "place." At least, that is how I ruled it in my playtest group. :)
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As for the "place" vs "placed" debate, in the other thread, I just wrote what I told my playtest group. I am not confident that I was correct. I just assumed that the word had to match, but I'd be OK going the other way, if that is the precident.
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I'm sitting here KNOWING how awesome site decks are with this card. :)
Actually... no.
A-bom: destroys site lock.
Danites Attack/any other site stealer: works both ways.
Any card that steals a site can be used for your opponent. But you will have people going... that card stinks! I don't want to put in counter-cards so I'm just gonna sit here complaining about how broken this card is. *coughgardentombcough*
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Pfft... Broken Cisterns + Plagued with Diseases hurts you more. Negates all your draw abilities, and the combination of those two cards is enough to kill the two CBN draw heroes.
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I kinda thought that Pale Green got the biggest boost but I suppose that's arguable.
I updated the list.
I pair those up actually. I use a blindness defense when I use orange and PG pairs with blindness very well.
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Pfft... Broken Cisterns + Plagued with Diseases hurts you more. Negates all your draw abilities, and the combination of those two cards is enough to kill the two CBN draw heroes.
or......instead of using broken cisterns, you can use face of death....what heroes? ;D
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Broken Cisterns (perhaps with Holy Grail in the offense?) + PwD + Desolate Gateways in my heroless deck is able to decrease heroes by a total of like 6/12. :o Face of death is good too, but not as much fun. ;)
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Broken Cisterns (perhaps with Holy Grail in the offense?) + PwD + Desolate Gateways in my heroless deck is able to decrease heroes by a total of like 6/12. :o Face of death is good too, but not as much fun. ;)
I can slam your heroes by at least -10/-13... trade secret though.
But, BC + PwD was mostly just to combat his ABOM deck. :P