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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Alex_Olijar on August 21, 2011, 01:11:24 AM
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Dear Moderators and other Kids and/or Adults,
Thank for taking the time to read this open letter.
Following the conclusion of a very powerful thread conerning the majestic buffalo, it has come to my attention that I may be getting unfairly targeted because I chose to recently exercise my free speech on another topic concerning the abuses/lack of abuses and modding/lack of modding that is going on in this forum.
I would like to ask the mods why the following threads (which are spam and/or trolls) did not get deleted, but mine did.
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/is-there-a-jesus-card/
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/i-have-an-announcement/
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/trolling-is-a-art-it-needs-to-be-respected/
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/
Was I unfairly targeted because I have questioned the man? You decide.
Is Sauce unfairly allowed to run amuck because he's hilarious? You decide.
Is it tomato or tomato? I say tomato.
And when I say deleted, I mean locked. This is an edit.
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You brought to our attention that we need to crack down on spam more. We are now beginning to crack down spam more. Those were different days.
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You brought to our attention that we need to crack down on spam more. We are now beginning to crack down spam more. Those were different days.
Wait, you are a mod?
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Also, I'm still whining about my pick up lines thread. I put a lot of work into that. Deleted with no reason given.
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Also, I'm still whining about my pick up lines thread. I put a lot of work into that. Deleted with no reason given.
Mod v. Mod. I'm putting my money on Mod.
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Heck, I barely count as a mod. I wasn't one when that happened.
/Still not sure why I'm a mod...
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I'm a mod in Runescape. I use to be a forum mod too. Does that count for anything?
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I'm a mod in Runescape. I use to be a forum mod too. Does that count for anything?
I've been several times a forum mod. It's irrelevant that I owned very forum I have modded.
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RSOF have like 250K posters a week or something. And I was trusted to judge each person before I was demodded for spamming. I think it's clear why I'm the best candidate for Admin here.
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RSOF have like 250K posters a week or something. And I was trusted to judge each person before I was demodded for spamming. I think it's clear why I'm the best candidate for Admin here.
Did you actually get demodded? That'd be pretty epic.
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Heck, I barely count as a mod. I wasn't one when that happened.
/Still not sure why I'm a mod...
I'm in the same boat. I have no idea why I was chosen a mod, as I have an extremely questionable history, and am not a model member as it is, but I love TEAMS too much, and it's actually helped my spam less, and this is a long sentence.
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I'm still not convinced Ring Wraith is a mod.
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Did you actually get demodded? That'd be pretty epic.
Not really. I was originally an fmod but I asked to be a pmod instead (they only let you be dual if you know a foreign language and post on that language's forum. RS doesn't have a Siswati forum yet). It all worked out because I disliked the Jmod who was in charge of the fmods.
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Did you actually get demodded? That'd be pretty epic.
Not really. I was originally an fmod but I asked to be a pmod instead (they only let you be dual if you know a foreign language and post on that language's forum. RS doesn't have a Siswati forum yet). It all worked out because I disliked the Jmod who was in charge of the fmods.
Why can't you dualmod? Is it because they know the danger of powercreep?
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Oh, he totally is. (http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=4311)
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If anyone recognizes Hero as a mod it's me. He VANDALIZED my otherwise informative post.
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But in all seriousness, I am curious why we lock threads about buffalo but not threads about trolling. Since it's already been all but admitted the rules on this forums are pretty much useless, I don't see what that thread did (the buffalo) that was bad. It was a lot of fun, and like Prof U said, some creative humor was used. Obviously, if I thought the thread was against the rules, I would not have posted it. But, it doesn't seem to be.
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Obviously, if I thought the thread was against the rules, I would not have posted it. But, it doesn't seem to be.
I didn't find it that obvious.
It was a lot of fun, and like Prof U said, some creative humor was used.
I think this is the main point of all of this. We can't suck all the fun out of the boards by deleted every topic and post that isn't serious or on topic. Otherwise nobody would enjoy these boards, and YMT's and STAMP's epic posts would disappear. Nobody wants that. At the same time, the boards cannot be overrun by spam, or else it will be chaotic and really not that fun (especially for the mods). There needs to be a gray line.
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I think this is the main point of all of this. We can't suck all the fun out of the boards by deleted every topic and post that isn't serious or on topic. Otherwise nobody would enjoy these boards, and YMT's and STAMP's epic posts would disappear. Nobody wants that. At the same time, the boards cannot be overrun by spam, or else it will be chaotic and really not that fun (especially for the mods). There needs to be a gray line.
That's funny because I posted the thread and I thought the point was I am being unfairly persecuted ;)
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"All of this" doesn't refer to only this thread. It refers to the Rule Breakerz thread, your buffalo troll thread, and this thread, as well as another thread...
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I would like to ask the mods why the following threads (which are spam and/or trolls) did not get deleted, but mine did.
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/is-there-a-jesus-card/
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/i-have-an-announcement/
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/trolling-is-a-art-it-needs-to-be-respected/
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/
The first thread was a common question by a new member, and answers to that question. It did go a bit astray, but was over quickly.
The second thread was an apology for trolling, and was also from 2 years ago.
The third thread was completely full of spam and deserved to be locked. But it was from over a year ago as well, and I couldn't do anything about it back then.
The fourth thread was only 2 posts, looking for someone. I don't see the problem there.
Was I unfairly targeted because I have questioned the man? You decide.
Sure you painted a target on you by pointing out the lack of consistency in rules enforcement. However, I am trying to be consistent in enforcing the rules whether it is you or anyone else creating a thread that is full of spam or flaunting the forum rules.
Is Sauce unfairly allowed to run amuck because he's hilarious? You decide.
I think an occasional "spam but funny" post by Sauce or you or YMT or anyone else in a thread is not a problem, and in fact adds to the overall enjoyment of the forum. It is when a thread is full of that, and appears to be enlarging at a high rate of speed, that it gets my attention.
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Is Sauce unfairly allowed to run amuck because he's hilarious? You decide.
I think an occasional "spam but funny" post by Sauce or you or YMT or anyone else in a thread is not a problem, and in fact adds to the overall enjoyment of the forum. It is when a thread is full of that, and appears to be enlarging at a high rate of speed, that it gets my attention.
If that's the case, all of the forum games would be shut down. I was fairly outspoken about the NYTO thread, but do we seriously want no more massive fun threads?
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wow, the buffalo thread is already gone? i saw it when it first went up a mere hour ago, went out to eat, tried to get the creative juices flowing, fully prepping to unleash some sort of value to the thread, came back...now this? MADNESS!!!!!!111!11one1!11!!111!11!!!!
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The first thread was a common question by a new member, and answers to that question. It did go a bit astray, but was over quickly.
The second thread was an apology for trolling, and was also from 2 years ago.
The third thread was completely full of spam and deserved to be locked. But it was from over a year ago as well, and I couldn't do anything about it back then.
The fourth thread was only 2 posts, looking for someone. I don't see the problem there.
The first thread asked if there is a Jesus card. Jesus is the Son of God. Every Starter has Son of God. How is asking that question not a troll even if it is a new member? Trolls can be unintentional.
The fourth thread is definately spam. It has like a million exclamation points. That's classic spamming technique.
Sure you painted a target on you by pointing out the lack of consistency in rules enforcement. However, I am trying to be consistent in enforcing the rules whether it is you or anyone else creating a thread that is full of spam or flaunting the forum rules.
I am going to have to ask what rules?
I think an occasional "spam but funny" post by Sauce or you or YMT or anyone else in a thread is not a problem, and in fact adds to the overall enjoyment of the forum. It is when a thread is full of that, and appears to be enlarging at a high rate of speed, that it gets my attention.
I don't really understand the difference between them. Transcribing that philosophy into real life tells me that if I kill one person a day for 100 days, you don't care, but if I kill 100 in one day, you do.
Either we should be able to have that kind of fun, or we shouldn't. That just makes sense.
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If that's the case, all of the forum games would be shut down. I was fairly outspoken about the NYTO thread, but do we seriously want to more massive fun threads?
"Type something without your hands" was an awesome game.
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If that's the case, all of the forum games would be shut down. I was fairly outspoken about the NYTO thread, but do we seriously want to more massive fun threads?
"Type something without your hands" was an awesome game.
8ih9oqbr8itygt
^typed with my nose
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If that's the case, all of the forum games would be shut down.
That is a good point. I'm actually not sure where to draw that line at this point. But there seems to be something different from an organized game thread (ie. 20 questions to figure out a Redemption card) and an unorganized spam-filled thread. I'm up for more discussion on this, but they do seem different to me.
Trolls can be unintentional. I'm less inclined to come down on someone for something they aren't even trying to do.
The fourth thread is definately spam. It has like a million exclamation points. I'm also not inclined to lock an entire thread just because someone gets a bit exclamation point happy.
I am going to have to ask what rules? In this case, that people should avoid excessive spamming.
I don't really understand the difference between them. Transcribing that philosophy into real life tells me that if I kill one person a day for 100 days, you don't care, but if I kill 100 in one day, you do. I don't think spamming is as harmful as killing people, so the analogy breaks down. A better analogy would be drinking Mt. Dew. If you drink one Mt. Dew can a day for 100 days, it probably won't hurt you, and could actually be nice if you like the taste. But if you drink 100 Mt. Dews in one day, then that is going to be very bad for you.
8ih9oqbr8itygt
^typed with my nose
This is an example of good spam. It is a single post in a thread that has relevant value to the forum, and it is funny. Of course if a whole bunch of people now add posts of nonsense typed with their nose, then it loses its funniness and transforms a useful thread into a spam-filled thread and would get it locked. Does that make sense?
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no, because funny is subjective. who is the authority on 'funny'?
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Generally, YMT.
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no, because funny is subjective. who is the authority on 'funny'?
JDS. Every post of his is so wyn.
But seriously, the Redemption forum is the strictest forum (out of many I have been active on) concerning spam. Now I understand there is a limit and eventually spam can get to be too much on any forum (especially in the case of board invasions we used to do back in the good ol' GameFAQs days before the IGN takeover. Good times, good times!). But it is very fun to post on threads such as Cheese and read others' posts and smile at their randomness and at how inconsequential they are. I don't think every thread should be that way but that we should let some of them fly. Just my :2cents:
Kirk
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no, because funny is subjective. who is the authority on 'funny'?
Although I agree that YMT is probably the front-runner for Forum Jester, I suppose in this case the "authority on funny" would be the mods. If a mod finds a post funny, they are probably less likely to view it as spam, and therefore less likely to take any action about it.
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Although I agree that YMT is probably the front-runner for Forum Jester, I suppose in this case the "authority on funny" would be the mods. If a mod finds a post funny, they are probably less likely to view it as spam, and therefore less likely to take any action about it.
So naturally, the next logical step is to make YMT a moderator. :D
Kirk
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Prof U and I have been talking about spam and stuff via PM's, I think I can add some of that discussion to here, as its not a major personal matter.
A few points I made:
Sometimes, people will post joke threads for the amusement of others. I do not consider these spam by default. Countless numbers of people have posted threads with nothing but a funny youtube video. These almost never get locked.
In my opinion, If a thread has no real purpose except to be funny, then simply monitor it. It's all contained in a single thread. If it gets out of control, then lock it. However, if people start posting tons of threads about the same thing, THAT is absolutely spam. Also, if people completely derail a legitimate discussion with off topic posts, that should also be considered spam.
My main qualifier for spam is if it begins to annoy several people (or if it devolves into a flame war), or it derails legitimate conversations. Of course its still a matter of judgement, but those two situations are almost always going to be spam.
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Although I agree that YMT is probably the front-runner for Forum Jester, I suppose in this case the "authority on funny" would be the mods. If a mod finds a post funny, they are probably less likely to view it as spam, and therefore less likely to take any action about it.
So naturally, the next logical step is to make YMT a moderator. :D
Kirk
He was offered the job but rejected it.
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no, because funny is subjective. who is the authority on 'funny'?
Generally, YMT.
Although I agree that YMT is probably the front-runner for Forum Jester, ...
So naturally, the next logical step is to make YMT a moderator.
He was offered the job but rejected it.
My name is YMT and I approve these messages.
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Getting approved by YMT is like winning a live turkey on Thanksgiving. You know someone upstairs is laughing, but you're not quite sure why.
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I don't think spamming is as harmful as killing people, so the analogy breaks down. A better analogy would be drinking Mt. Dew. If you drink one Mt. Dew can a day for 100 days, it probably won't hurt you, and could actually be nice if you like the taste. But if you drink 100 Mt. Dews in one day, then that is going to be very bad for you.
Drinking anything x100 in one day is bad. Does that mean rapidly expanding serious discussion threads are dangerous?
This is an example of good spam. It is a single post in a thread that has relevant value to the forum, and it is funny. Of course if a whole bunch of people now add posts of nonsense typed with their nose, then it loses its funniness and transforms a useful thread into a spam-filled thread and would get it locked. Does that make sense?
How did typing a post with my nose have any relevant value to the forum? What is good spam? That is such an oxymoron. If it's good, it's probably not a stupid, pointless, annoying message.
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If you drink one Mt. Dew can a day for 100 days, it probably won't hurt you,
Wow, someone needs to brush up on their nutrition information. :)
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If you drink one Mt. Dew can a day for 100 days, it probably won't hurt you,
Wow, someone needs to brush up on their nutrition information. :)
It won't..... As long as you eat an otherwise balanced diet one can of mountain dew a day isn't going to hurt you. The only possible problem one can could cause is if you drink it to late at night you might have trouble getting to sleep, but other then that there isn't anything in mountain dew that can hurt you with that small of an intake
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Although I agree that YMT is probably the front-runner for Forum Jester, ...
Out of curiosity, could this title get me a different color for my name? I know purple is for Redemption Royalty, green is for the Elders, and red is for hosts. Could I possibly get orange, or does that sound demonic?
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I prefer pink.
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forum jester is a 1 star? how does he level up?
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What about that color you chose for RED when he needed a more subdued color for a name?
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forum jester is a 1 star? how does he level up?
I should at least get one star for every time I appear on the Prof's Favorite Quotes thread.
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Star level adjusted accordingly. Gold is the new pink.
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Star level adjusted accordingly. Gold is the new pink.
I prefer pink.
This is how admins troll apparently. May Sauce and I be some unique color? I would include Westy and RDT, but they are mods.
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This is how admins troll apparently.
When there is tension on the boards, I know I tend to throw in something silly.
Trolling for Peace - join today
Oh wait, no groups... nvm.
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Being honest I read Alex's first post and skipped the rest. I just wanted to address the original issue best as I could. Your point was valid, but not realistic. I know you personally Alex (meaning met in person not just through the board), so don't take this the wrong but you had 4 threads that were not shut down/deleted. I did not read the threads, there is more to it than that. Having 4 threads to "justify" your point about mods not being fair is, well, not fair to us mods. How many hundreds of hundreds of threads are there? Mods can not realistically, nor should they, be able to read every thread. I do appreciate you bringing these threads to our attention, and I am sure they are being watched, or have already been taken care of. But 4 threads out of all the good work mods have done to keep the board clean/correct seems a little nitpicky to me. Also the mods have to do their job based on their OPINION, not a set of guidelines per say. If the threads have not been looked at I will personally read over them and send them up to the moderator circle for review. If I see any posts that are offensive then I will PM that member. Let's try to keep the boards safe, clean, fun and a place to go to catch up and learn, not debate and stress. Thanks guys.
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The way I see it, since every post has a button to notify moderators of posts against policy, if there is a thread that doesn't get caught in the monitoring process, it's something the mods missed, but it's also something the 1300+ forum members failed to bring to their attention. These boards are only going to be as good as the community wants to make them.
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Or maybe we could tinker with the rules of the forum so that they are in harmony with the general attitude of the mods, rather than at odds with it.
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I'm not aware of a dissonance, or how the fact that mods sometimes miss threads would be ameliorated by this "tinkering".
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What most other forums I'm on have a specific forum where spam is "allowed". This doesn't include trolling, but it's the location where forum games and threads full of Lolcats go. These spam forums don't increase post count so people don't seem more active just because they play in the fun stuff. In general the forums I've seen with spam forums see an exceedingly reduced amount of spam in other locations, where the thread pirating and such is not appreciated.
Personally, I'm very sad I missed the buffalo thread, seeing as bison are actually my favorite animal and they're pretty much amazing.
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Buffalo are my favorite animal too. I think it would be cool to go out by being gored by a buffalo.
I agree with the "spam" forum concept. However, the forums I am on with that also is extremely hard on spam outside that forum - they even went so far as to make a rule that you must have more to say than just one line to stop "I agree" and "That sounds good" type posts.
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Buffalo are my favorite animal too. I think it would be cool to go out by being gored by a buffalo.
I don't want to be gored by one, I just think they're pretty spiffy. :3
I agree with the "spam" forum concept. However, the forums I am on with that also is extremely hard on spam outside that forum - they even went so far as to make a rule that you must have more to say than just one line to stop "I agree" and "That sounds good" type posts.
I thought the +1 feature had been instated to try and stop those kind of posts anyways. Most of the time simple posts like that are spammy, unless made by an Elder in the ruling questions forums or something like that.
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Yeah. I think the mods and admins need to get a lot harder on some of the stuff that goes on in this forum. I would gladly rewrite the rules, but I'm not a mod (and people probably wouldn't like my rules anyway because I'm a hard mod).
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Wait, so now the problem is that the mods DON'T shut down cheese and buffalo threads?
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I think what they're saying is spam posts is a problem, while spam threads should have their own place.
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I question the notion that threads like |> are, in fact, "spam." It's word that's become thrown around a lot, like power creep, until people get mixed up notions of what it is. Is there a difference between spam and pointless fun? I say yes. I would, however, be in favor of a "spam" board.
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I don't want to be gored by one, I just think they're pretty spiffy. :3
They also taste delicious.
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I question the notion that threads like |> are, in fact, "spam." It's word that's become thrown around a lot, like power creep, until people get mixed up notions of what it is. Is there a difference between spam and pointless fun? I say yes. I would, however, be in favor of a "spam" board.
I would prefer a "fun" board. :P
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I don't want to be gored by one, I just think they're pretty spiffy. :3
They also taste delicious.
-mortified- I still absolutely refuse to eat a bison. For no other reason than I like them too much. ._.;
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/anarchy/
i approve this message