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Title: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 03, 2011, 10:11:08 PM
Because of this March Madness thread and our message at church tonight, I started wondering what really "big" characters in the bible have terrible abilities, if any abilities at all.  People like Gideon, Samson, Noah, Barak are listed in the "Hall of Faith" chapter in Hebrews, but yet they are not worth playing in Redemption.  So this got me wondering who everyone felt were the biggest characters in need for a more "useable" reprint?  I'd like for people to PM me a top 20 list of the characters you would like to see, in the order you would prefer them!  Then I will put together a top 50, or so, list depending on how many different characters I get!

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Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: crustpope on April 03, 2011, 10:50:39 PM
Sampson, Mary mother of Jesus, Adam, Peter, Noah

More to come


Also:

Andrew, Joseph the Carpenter, Samuel, Deborah, Gideon, Ruth, Rachel, Sarah, Abraham (make his SA useful lol),
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Irish_Luck on April 04, 2011, 07:25:37 PM
Sampson, Mary mother of Jesus, Adam, Peter, Noah

More to come
+1 except for Mary. I would like to see a new version of Babylon the Great.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: The Guardian on April 04, 2011, 08:01:40 PM
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Abraham (make his SA useful lol)

To be fair, Abraham is a beast in Booster Draft, especially if you happen to draft an Abraham's Servant to Ur and/or Covenant with Abraham.  :)

I think Isaiah (OT) and Mary Mother of Jesus (NT) are the top two "Need reprint" Heroes.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Professoralstad on April 04, 2011, 08:28:35 PM
Gad.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Isildur on April 04, 2011, 08:34:45 PM
Deacons Nuff said. Even I have to admit that the current ones stink ::)
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: JonathanW on April 05, 2011, 01:23:58 PM
Jonah
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: SomeKittens on April 05, 2011, 01:26:38 PM
I still would like to see a Smith Wigglesworth card.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 05, 2011, 04:21:39 PM
I would really like to see a David reprint. It'd be super powerful, and in 2/3 brigades. Green/Purple W/C prophet NEEDS to happen. That'd be so ridiculous. He wouldn't even need an ability, really.

Isaiah, Mary, Andrew (actually, he's quite good anyway...), Peter, Samuel, Deborah, Gideon, SHAMGAR, Gad, Deacons, Jonah, Ezekiel, Daniel (oh wait...), Noah, Samson, Barak, Adam, Silas, Barnabas, Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Onesimus...and I'm sure there are others.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Ironica on April 06, 2011, 01:59:47 PM
Pharoh.  For being such a big character in the Moses story, why can't he do squat?
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 06, 2011, 02:05:08 PM
Pharoh.  For being such a big character in the Moses story, why can't he do squat?

This was kinda my whole feeling behind this thread.  I mean lets think about it.  Who do most people feel the top 3 most powerful characters are in Redemption?  Moses, Thaddaeus & Susanna.  I personally don't feel this is right.  I mean, I love finding new people in the Bible based off of this game, but why are two of the three most powerful character only people "mentioned" in the Bible?  I have a hard time trying to explain to new players that the people they grew up hearing about have no true place in this game, while characters that didn't play a "real" significant role in the Bible are in the top decks.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 06, 2011, 05:52:31 PM
I like it that way. That way you learn about little known people. I bet most people couldn't name all of the disciples, but once they play a disciples deck, the most likely ones they'll forget are Judas, Andrew, and Peter (almost exactly opposite of most people).

And Moses was WAY more than mentioned. Jacob too...Job too...
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: CJSports on April 06, 2011, 05:56:50 PM
I would really like to see a David reprint. It'd be super powerful, and in 2/3 brigades. Green/Purple W/C prophet NEEDS to happen. That'd be so ridiculous. He wouldn't even need an ability, really.


I mentioned this idea on some other threads, mine went something like this.....

King David
12/12
Green/Red/White/Purple
Warrior Class/Prophet/Musician/King of Israel
Set-Aside this hero for 6 turns if Uriah or Bathsheba enters play.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 06, 2011, 06:01:05 PM
Too broken. No SA means he could be protected from Windows of Narrow Light. He needs a useless ability, like "Band to Abigail and/or Bathsheba."
Unfortunately, then everybody would cry for reprints of those cards, and then he'd be too broken once again...
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Professoralstad on April 06, 2011, 06:04:11 PM
Too broken. No SA means he could be protected from Windows of Narrow Light. He needs a useless ability, like "Band to Abigail and/or Bathsheba."
Unfortunately, then everybody would cry for reprints of those cards, and then he'd be too broken once again...

He'd also need an ability that could negate Hidden Treasures. Especially after haha...nice try comes out this summer...
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 06, 2011, 06:08:16 PM
Negating all artifacts would be interesting...or all non-tabernacle artifacts...
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Professoralstad on April 06, 2011, 06:08:52 PM
I like it that way. That way you learn about little known people. I bet most people couldn't name all of the disciples, but once they play a disciples deck, the most likely ones they'll forget are Judas, Andrew, and Peter (almost exactly opposite of most people).

And Moses was WAY more than mentioned. Jacob too...Job too...

I agree with this. I'd bet 9/10 God-fearing Bible-reading Christians have no idea who Ehud or Jephthah were or what they did, or that Kir was a city in the Bible. But at least 9/10 Redemption players know that. However, I do like how we are making some of the well-known Bible figures really good (like Daniel, Lazarus, Hehe...gotcha again., etc.)
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: BubbleBoy on April 06, 2011, 06:16:59 PM
I do not support reprints of better publicized characters because people think they should be more powerful. That doesn't make any sense to me. I would much rather have new cards utilize obsolete cards, such as the reprint of Kindness that put Good Samaritan back on the map.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 06, 2011, 06:31:23 PM
And Moses was WAY more than mentioned. Jacob too...Job too...

I was talking about Susanna & Thad as just being mentioned.  I'm not ignorant enough to consider Moses to be "mentioned."  Last time I checked Exodus is pretty much his life story, so I guess that qualifies as "mentioned."   ;D   :P
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 06, 2011, 11:25:42 PM
I think (OT) Joseph, Isaiah, Rebeckah, Saul/Paul, (OT) Saul, All the Emperors from Apsotles Set, Peter, Andrew, Servant Angel (Definately should be WC), Angel Chariots, most of the Good Kings (excluding the Kings from Theaurus and David), Pharaoh, Stronger than Men, Angelic Guidance, War in Heaven and that's just a couple of them.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: CJSports on April 07, 2011, 06:54:55 AM
Too broken. No SA means he could be protected from Windows of Narrow Light. He needs a useless ability, like "Band to Abigail and/or Bathsheba."
Unfortunately, then everybody would cry for reprints of those cards, and then he'd be too broken once again...
Edit. Made him less powerful by making him have a negative ability seeing as Uriah and Bathsheba see so much play these days. ;D
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: cookie monster on April 17, 2011, 05:53:04 PM
I think that they need to reprint "love"
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: hi123 on April 17, 2011, 06:08:09 PM
Because of this March Madness thread and our message at church tonight, I started wondering what really "big" characters in the bible have terrible abilities, if any abilities at all.  People like Gideon, Samson, Noah, Barak are listed in the "Hall of Faith" chapter in Hebrews, but yet they are not worth playing in Redemption.  So this got me wondering who everyone felt were the biggest characters in need for a more "useable" reprint?  I'd like for people to PM me a top 20 list of the characters you would like to see, in the order you would prefer them!  Then I will put together a top 50, or so, list depending on how many different characters I get!

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Heros:

Noah
Adam
Peter
Mary

EC's:

Locust from the Pit
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Red on April 17, 2011, 10:10:19 PM
Megamanlan:Saul/Paul is good/played. Nero is from apostles and is played. Claudeius is played in 1-2 decks where I play so quit bagging saul/paul just cuz you think the 10th best character in the game isn't good.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Nameless on April 18, 2011, 08:37:58 AM
they should reprint ponshus piolate
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 18, 2011, 09:45:42 AM
They should reprint Pontius Pilate.
He was reprinted in disciples.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on April 18, 2011, 10:52:32 AM
They should reprint SWS. At a very minimum, give it the erratta "may have 7 per deck"
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: SomeKittens on April 18, 2011, 01:05:39 PM
They should reprint SWS. At a very minimum, give it the erratta "may have 7 per deck"
For a total of 49 wicked spirits in a deck.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: The M on April 18, 2011, 08:39:40 PM
They should reprint SWS. At a very minimum, give it the erratta "may have 7 per deck"
How about per 50 cards?
Then I could have 343 per 254 card deck lol.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: The Warrior on April 18, 2011, 08:55:14 PM
a couple Major ( if only majorly publisized ) characters that as of now uh....
ahem....
Jezebel
Jonathan
Mark
Luke
Ruth, etc. (Mini-Theme perhaps? )
Samuel
Hosea( bring it on gomer!)
Jonah
DAVID
SAUL
Phillies would like Goliath's Bro's
Andrew
Matthias(if not a disciple than a boost for them. like a 'Lay down ur life' type SA)
Timmy
Titus
Roman Jailer
and many others these all help some sort of theme
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: cookie monster on April 19, 2011, 09:52:12 PM
"Manna", most of the prophets set, and most of the apostles set should be reprinted.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 21, 2011, 12:19:01 PM
Megamanlan:Saul/Paul is good/played. Nero is from apostles and is played. Claudeius is played in 1-2 decks where I play so quit bagging saul/paul just cuz you think the 10th best character in the game isn't good.

For Claudeius just make him compatible w/ the others and just make Nero WC cause the rest are. And Saul/Paul does need a reprint because every deck that I've seen him played in got beat badly. Besides why shouldn't they make him actually compatible w/ Pharisee's cause his current version isn't. I say make him fun.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 21, 2011, 01:22:22 PM
Paul was utilized quite well before TexP. After Grapes came out, he was badly injured. I would like to see a "Protected from shuffle" ability on him. You know, that way Grapes couldn't shuffle him. I'm sure there'd be no other consequences like Hidden Treasures + Paul + ANB x5 (with Thorns soul out)
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Professoralstad on April 21, 2011, 01:25:40 PM
And Saul/Paul does need a reprint because every deck that I've seen him played in got beat badly.

That may be true, but probably because the people playing them are using him because he's cool as a multi-color Hero, and they don't really know what to do with him. I've won a majority of the games that I've played with him.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Gabe on April 21, 2011, 01:39:49 PM
And Saul/Paul does need a reprint because every deck that I've seen him played in got beat badly.

That may be true, but probably because the people playing them are using him because he's cool as a multi-color Hero, and they don't really know what to do with him. I've won a majority of the games that I've played with him.

You win the majority of all your games. ::)
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 21, 2011, 04:17:44 PM
Actually I suggested a new Version of Saul/Paul. That gives a lot more fun for the card.

Saul/Paul
7/9 Gray Evil Character / 10/10 Multi-Color Hero
-Pharisee, Jew, Roman, Apostle-
[Saul] May Discard the top card of your Deck to Discard 1 NT Human Hero in territory. If this Son of God is played card is converted, Convert this card to Paul.
[Paul] May band to an NT Hero. NT Enhancements cannot be Negated. This Card is Protected from Capture (except by a Roman) or Conversion.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Professoralstad on April 21, 2011, 04:49:52 PM
You win the majority of all your games. ::)

I would definitely say that I have won the majority of my games in the past. However, since I've recently started playing a lot more T2, wins have been tougher to come by. So I couldn't for sure say that I still win a majority of my games... :)
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 21, 2011, 06:27:09 PM
That's a good explanation. I still think that most of decks that use Saul. (Mostly Pharisees) Cannot use them competitively really well.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 21, 2011, 06:33:09 PM
Saul is garbage. Paul is pretty good. No reprint necessary though.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: The Guardian on April 21, 2011, 07:56:44 PM
I think as a NT/Roman/Pharisee, Saul is eventually going to be useful as an EC...however, his true usefulness as a card is as Paul, which I think is appropriate considering this is a game where Good overcomes Evil.

For the record, I have used Paul VERY effectively in both T1 and T2 decks. Grapes definitely hurt him, but Herod's Temple gave him a boost.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: SomeKittens on April 21, 2011, 08:30:51 PM
Saul exists simply to be converted.  Paul's far  too powerful to be a "standard" hero, so the conversion is there to restrict him.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 21, 2011, 08:54:39 PM
I'm fine w/ playing a nearly useless EC just so u can try to convert it to a nearly OP'd Hero. My new version makes him less crazy and easier to turn to a Hero. Another point is that Good ends up winning in the end, but evil is still made to be very strong as well.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Cpt.Jaeger on April 21, 2011, 08:58:52 PM
Jonah

DEFINITELY. I've considered many SA ideas for him, but never has one i liked enough

he is likely the most unique prophet in the OT so i think it should be really solid
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 21, 2011, 09:02:40 PM
Honestly, there are a lot of cards that truly need to be reprinted, But Jonah is definitely one of them.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: The Warrior on April 21, 2011, 09:07:54 PM
Honestly, there are a lot of cards that truly need to be reprinted, But Jonah is definitely one of them.
Jezebel
Jonathan
Mark
Luke
Ruth, etc. (Mini-Theme perhaps? )
Samuel
Hosea( bring it on gomer!)
Jonah
DAVID
SAUL
Phillies would like Goliath's Bro's
Andrew
Matthias(if not a disciple than a boost for them. like a 'Lay down ur life' type SA)
Timmy
Titus
Roman Jailer
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 21, 2011, 11:41:41 PM
I bet they could actually make a series of reprints that would be about 100 cards or more.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: SomeKittens on April 22, 2011, 12:26:55 AM
A big chunk of Di was reprints.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 22, 2011, 11:02:16 AM
I know. But I think they could actually make a set like Priests with only reprints.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: SomeKittens on April 22, 2011, 02:50:35 PM
I know. But I think they could actually make a set like Priests with only reprints.
Priests had far more than reprints.  See:curses.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 22, 2011, 08:49:21 PM
I'm just saying that will all the cards that could be reprinted they could make a set as big as Priests.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 22, 2011, 10:51:38 PM
They really need to make another big set. I'm hungering for more boosters. It's been what, five years? And longer since a starter. I wish they'd skip one year and come out with a booster. Better that than small sets two years in a row. Or four...
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: SomeKittens on April 22, 2011, 11:12:05 PM
Yeah, completely re-write the meta.  And create another insane card like ANB.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 22, 2011, 11:16:05 PM
Making a worthwhile set would be great! And a set of 100+ would be great!
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Minister Polarius on April 23, 2011, 04:16:50 AM
Most booster sets were about the size of Di or smaller in terms of playable cards. Unless you make a habit of putting Inspection in your Teal decks ::)
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 25, 2011, 10:56:49 AM
I still think that if they really wanted to they could reprint almost all of the old cards into new ones with cool effects and just make a set out of them.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 27, 2011, 09:17:19 AM
I vote for no more reprints! I mean seriously Melchizedeck was origianlly a Purple character from the Patriarchs. They remade to a Teal hero in the priests, but remembering that he was a king as well as a priest they Re-remade and made him a teal\purple hero keeping the same ability the whole time.
A very similar instance is Aaron, starting off as a green then going teal and now going green\teal.

If I had my way they would put a pause on the reprints and do a few more generic characters.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Minister Polarius on April 27, 2011, 01:08:04 PM
I wouldn't worry over-much about generic characters or reprinting old, useless ones.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 27, 2011, 04:01:08 PM
They should make a new Babylon the Great cuz right now she's only Babylon the sub average :)
She'd go with the Revalation theme.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Townsend on April 27, 2011, 04:21:38 PM
They should make a new Babylon the Great cuz right now she's only Babylon the sub average :)
She'd go with the Revalation theme.
I think Babylon the great should be a protect fort for demons
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: SomeKittens on April 27, 2011, 06:11:16 PM
They should make a new Babylon the Great cuz right now she's only Babylon the sub average :)
She'd go with the Revalation theme.
I think Babylon the great should be a protect fort for demons
Demons already have a protect fort.  It's called WS -> GoH
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 27, 2011, 06:24:36 PM
They should make a new Babylon the Great cuz right now she's only Babylon the sub average :)
She'd go with the Revalation theme.
I think Babylon the great should be a protect fort for demons
Demons already have a protect fort.  It's called WS -> GoH

Plus Babylon is a person.

On another note: They need to remake Paladin, yes he's not exactly a bible character but seriously he stinks!
He should be half teal and half red and have the ability: May band to a human hero. At any time during battle Paladin may interrupt the battle and heal any hero except Paladin.
I think that would be fun.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: browarod on April 27, 2011, 06:26:36 PM
So, an extra-biblical character that's randomly a priest?
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Alex_Olijar on April 27, 2011, 06:40:35 PM
Who should have been printed in Teal before Teal was created?
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 27, 2011, 08:22:20 PM
So, an extra-biblical character that's randomly a priest?

Okay so maybe making him teal is a bad idea but in other game specs a paladin is a combination of a warrior and a priest (focusing on attacking and healing) but being extra-biblical wasn't my idea...
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: browarod on April 27, 2011, 08:50:18 PM
If you haven't learned it yet, you will soon: Redemption is a unique game and very much different than most other games.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Townsend on April 27, 2011, 08:53:19 PM
Demons already have a protect fort.  It's called WS -> GoH
ITs only a protect fort when DD is active... And Wash Basin pwns GoH.

Plus Babylon is a person.

Quote from:  Revelation 18:2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird
From that verse it looks like Babylon the great can be a demon Fort  ::)

Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 27, 2011, 09:44:52 PM
If you haven't learned it yet, you will soon: Redemption is a unique game and very much different than most other games.

Yeah, I've learned that. Actually I am the son of a partial owner of the game, and I played this game for many years now. I was just throwing around an idea that I thought would be fun.

And in response to mjwaree5 your right, it could go either way.

(But it would be fun to see it as both somehow) :)
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on April 28, 2011, 01:28:40 AM
I'd say Isaiah and Jonah are my Top 2 at the moment...  The only thing cool about Isaiah is his glorious beard (That's why he is nick-named "The Glorious Bearded Man" amongst some in our playgroup), and nothing else.  Does Isaac have a good S/A?  If not, I'd consider him as well. 

I think, however, that the weirdest part is that the "Super well-known/played" Redemption characters, but less known Biblically, seem to have become that way by accident.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think those cards were necessarily intended to be "the most powerful" characters.  I just find that interesting.

-C_S
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 28, 2011, 02:02:48 AM
Issac plays an Enhancement from Genesis 18 to 22, I think, but he's white so he needs to be reprinted to Blue so he fits w/ the others and given a better effect.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on April 28, 2011, 01:29:47 PM
The only thing cool about Isaiah is his glorious beard (That's why he is nick-named "The Glorious Bearded Man" amongst some in our playgroup), and nothing else.

That's not true, have you seen his special enhancement?

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi189.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz18%2FLambo_Diablo_Svtt%2FRedemption%2FSHOOP-DA-WHOOP.jpg&hash=728195059dc8ca303d302880d10ca7a82c1a5cbc)
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on April 28, 2011, 02:06:22 PM
Demons already have a protect fort.  It's called WS -> GoH
ITs only a protect fort when DD is active... And Wash Basin pwns GoH.

Plus Babylon is a person.

Quote from:  Revelation 18:2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird
From that verse it looks like Babylon the great can be a demon Fort  ::)



Started this idea last night, just finished it now:

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi189.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz18%2FLambo_Diablo_Svtt%2FBabylon-the-Great.jpg&hash=0b8f602cf51eee0b0a9f0a2e1895443f6ca17f76)(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi189.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz18%2FLambo_Diablo_Svtt%2FBabylon-the-Fallen.jpg&hash=bbeb0abb06f04bc5065c35c2db819451d37c6db8)
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: browarod on April 28, 2011, 02:49:47 PM
LOVE that card idea.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 28, 2011, 05:30:35 PM
Epic without precedent :D
Fits totally with what I thought would be cool. :) :) :)
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 28, 2011, 05:53:45 PM
I kinda like it too. I'll be making a Card idea for it eventually.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: cookie monster on April 28, 2011, 07:12:38 PM
How did you make that card ???
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on April 28, 2011, 07:22:32 PM
I used Photoshop. I'm a Graphic Design major, so I've had some practice with image editing.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Townsend on April 28, 2011, 07:54:17 PM
Now that is a Babylon the great. I love it great job on it looks awesome!
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: The Schaef on April 28, 2011, 09:17:10 PM
Michael.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 28, 2011, 09:39:19 PM
Michael.
Ummm...What does that mean? ???
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: The Schaef on April 28, 2011, 10:40:00 PM
He needs to be reprinted the most.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 28, 2011, 11:20:39 PM
Ooooooh... duh.  :doh:

Samson too, he should be FBtN.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Minister Polarius on April 29, 2011, 12:58:24 AM
Totally awesome card, Lambo!
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 29, 2011, 07:59:34 AM
I know its not a "Character that needs to be reprinted" but Angel Chariots needs to be made into a normal chariot card instead of discarding a crimson character.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on April 30, 2011, 01:31:48 AM
I agree and make it Weapon Class. And Michael doesn't need a reprint...
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Ironica on April 30, 2011, 04:40:04 PM
I think any hero reprints should be ones that have no special abilities.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: NathanW on April 30, 2011, 05:25:35 PM
There are a lot of judges that can be reprinted.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 30, 2011, 07:24:28 PM
I don't know if they should reprint him, but,  Mighty warrior is pathetic.
and if you read his refference it's talking about God... :(

Ooooooh...Yeah, totally.

Samson too, he should be FBtN.
Dunno why I said that... Michael ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: SomeKittens on April 30, 2011, 07:45:02 PM
There are a lot of judges that can be reprinted.
Do we even have a Judges "theme?"
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Post by: JSB23 on April 30, 2011, 07:51:23 PM
There are a lot of judges that can be reprinted.
Do we even have a Judges "theme?"
We do in the same way we have a 3 John theme ;)
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 30, 2011, 08:07:45 PM
Another person who desperatly needs a reprint is Doeg.
Normally I would say he needs to be brown 'cuz it fits. But the doegs slaughter card is pale green, so I guess that he should stay that way. My initial idea was...
Doeg
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Brown • Ability: 7 \ 6 • Class: Warrior  • Special Ability: Discard a priest of the house of Ithmar. Cannot be negated • Identifiers: None • Verse: 1 Samuel 22: 18 •
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on May 03, 2011, 05:12:42 PM
What about making him Brown/Pale Green?
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on May 03, 2011, 05:14:41 PM
There are a lot of judges that can be reprinted.
Do we even have a Judges "theme?"

Yea, I think it's the OT White Brigade Theme, that's besides Daniel. Plus there's also Judges' Seat too.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on May 03, 2011, 05:15:51 PM
Nobody good is from the house of Ithmar. Except for maybe Abiathar, but he's protected from discard anyway...
There are a lot of judges that can be reprinted.
Do we even have a Judges "theme?"

Yea, I think it's the OT White Brigade Theme, that's besides Daniel. Plus there's also Judges' Seat too.
It's Gold. And it's awful (coming from the guy who played Luke/Judges in T2)...
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Post by: Aelec Enitnel on May 03, 2011, 05:36:52 PM
What about making him Brown/Pale Green?
Duh, shoulda thought of that :)
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Post by: Ironica on May 03, 2011, 09:26:50 PM
Judges is good if you have a stall deck.  It takes a while for the seat to be really effective.
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Post by: Aelec Enitnel on May 03, 2011, 09:28:42 PM
Couple that with a "watchful servant" and it's awesome!
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on May 03, 2011, 10:02:13 PM
Except for the fact that you have to get rid of an unoccupied CP for Judge's Seat to work. Judge's are awful. Luke is better because they have battle winners (and good ones at that).
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Ironica on May 03, 2011, 10:59:29 PM
Right now, Luke is a better choice but Judges does have some good tactics that could be of use.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Minister Polarius on May 03, 2011, 11:01:49 PM
The problem with Judges is that they only have one really good and a couple usable Heroes. Their entire strategy is support cards and "if used by a Judge" Enhancements.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on May 05, 2011, 01:24:06 AM
That is a big problem for Judges. But I played a Judge Deck and CP didn't stop it at all.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on May 05, 2011, 08:46:26 AM
The problem with Judges is that they only have one really good and a couple usable Heroes. Their entire strategy is support cards and "if used by a Judge" Enhancements.
Two really good heroes. Moses and Ehud.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Minister Polarius on May 05, 2011, 11:22:37 AM
Ehud is ok. If he didn't have First Strike he'd be really good. An excellent Judges support artifact would be one that Negates First Strike and negates all Sites and Fortresses during upkeep phase.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on May 05, 2011, 01:52:19 PM
Ehud owns Pharisees. That's all that matters (considering that's the only defense played). His first strike is nice against The Entrapping Pharisee. He's also really good against Phillies (which will be another popular defense), as he can CtB and decimate them by discarding Philly Outpost and all their evil characters with Sammy's Sac. Standalones he's okay against, because he can CtB KoT and own him with Sammy's Sac/Covenant of Moses, and then walk in with Good Samaritan and Kindness. An artifact that negated first strike would be really nice though...
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: browarod on May 05, 2011, 02:23:10 PM
Like this? (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=26613) :P

I don't think Moses needs a reprint, however it would be nice to have a physical copy of him that has all his proper identifiers (whatever they are, lol).
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on May 05, 2011, 04:56:45 PM
I agree. Moses is basically crazy as it is. But it would be nice to have him have all of his identifiers.
(Note: He is technically not a judge, as far as I know.)
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on May 05, 2011, 05:24:22 PM
Moses is considered a judge in Redemption. There was some controversy over this, but it was ruled as being a leader before the time of the Kings and after the Exodus.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: SomeKittens on May 05, 2011, 05:25:12 PM
He's mentioned by name by the verse on Judge's Seat.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on May 05, 2011, 06:16:15 PM
Someone else who needs a reprint is Shimei. If anyone in redemption needs a Taunt Identifier it'd be him.
I just can't think of what it'd be :dunno:
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: megamanlan on May 08, 2011, 10:20:21 PM
I put a Taunt ability on Locusts from the Pit and made them so much better, I'll post it soon.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on May 08, 2011, 11:54:11 PM
Cool, love to see it!

Hopefully there are alot more Taunts in upcoming sets. They kinda bring back battle challenges.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: browarod on May 09, 2011, 12:16:06 AM
The problem with Taunt is that the meta right now is speed-heavy, which means a battle challenge is a waste of a turn with which you could otherwise be rescuing 1 of your 3 battle Lost Souls.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on May 09, 2011, 12:17:45 AM
There has to be no soul to taunt anyway.
Title: Re: What characters need to be reprinted the most?
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on May 09, 2011, 07:22:01 AM
The problem with Taunt is that the meta right now is speed-heavy, which means a battle challenge is a waste of a turn with which you could otherwise be rescuing 1 of your 3 battle Lost Souls.

What I want is for the meta to not   be speed.
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