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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => New Card Ideas => Topic started by: 12tipton3 on October 30, 2009, 08:00:41 PM
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we have the Authority of Christ promo were it can't be negated, interrupted, or negated. wrath of saten when it was originally released (I think in warriors) it did the exact opposite of the original AtoC. there is one problem. it can be negated. i think it would be cool if there was a promotianal wrath of saten that can't be negated interrupted or prevented. what do you think?
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It would be interesting if you have it this way:
"Discard all heroes in play. Opponent can reveal a card connected with Christ to negate it otherwise, cannot be negated"
It doesn't have to be connected, per say, but it leaves it open to the fact that if you have Christ with you, Satan's power is diminished.
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no. the reason being evil is supposed to be inherently less powerful than good.
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I think it would be cool if the sa would be
"Discard all heroes in play. Cannot be negated unless opponent reveals Son of God from his hand"
This would be interesting. I think it could work. Any ideas?
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still oped i say use hoh then it is cbn.
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True. But I see where 12 is coming from.
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It could have a cost, like "Discard all of holder's EC's to discard all heroes. Cannot be Negated." And make it Black/Orange so T2 (and crazy people) can't have dupes.
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Imo,
Orange Brigade EE
Sa: Discard all humans in play, cannot be prevented.
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Imo,
Orange Brigade EE
Sa: Discard all humans in play, cannot be prevented.
I support this post. Powerful enough to where it could vastly hurt your opponent's offense, and defense if not using a protect fort. It would help encourage civilization defenses and the use of orange on its own so you do not destroy your own defense.
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ditto. its a very balanced but formidable card.
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imo it should be cannot be interupted.
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No more Cannot be Interrupted battlewinners. I'd be all for banning the ones that exist currently, except for AoCP and maybe Haman's Plot.
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No more Cannot be Interrupted battlewinners. I'd be all for banning the ones that exist currently, except for AoCP and maybe Haman's Plot.
This. If you wanna stop FBTN, just make it CBP. I much prefer those OR situational CBI/CBN.
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No more Cannot be Interrupted battlewinners. I'd be all for banning the ones that exist currently, except for AoCP and maybe Haman's Plot.
This. If you wanna stop FBTN, just make it CBP. I much prefer those OR situational CBI/CBN.
I'm going to make my own thread with orange card ideas because I don't want to hijack this one any further, but I made it CBP because I've noticed orange has problems with FBTN
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I think we should make it,
orange/black
discard all heros not in the field of battle, cannot be IPN'd
then it would be cool if we could come up with a demon who drags all of the blocking players heroes into the field of battle without actually letting them do anything to effect the outcome. something like this
Spirit of Complacency
9/9 orange brigade EC
When this demon enters battle, all of holders heroes in play are brought into the field of battle and have no effect on current battle. Opponent may dicard one of their heroes in battle to negate this.
I don't have a reference and it would only be fun if the WoS Promo was created. I just thought I would put it in for giggles.
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no. the reason being evil is supposed to be inherently less powerful than good.
Right!!!! And if this game is biblically based it has to maintain that satan is NOT equal in any shape or form to God. I understand the point of making it cannot be negated, but then we are making them equal. Redemption cannot fall pray to this, otherwise what is the difference between this and another card game such as Magic. Great Call M.Chief.
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Imo,
Orange Brigade EE
Sa: Discard all humans in play, cannot be prevented.
I like this suggestion. It does allow for the heroes to be discarded, cannot be negated, but does not allow the power of satan to be greater than God. Good choice smokey.
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No more Cannot be Interrupted battlewinners. I'd be all for banning the ones that exist currently, except for AoCP and maybe Haman's Plot.
I completely agree.
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While I agree that making this card to be equal to AoCP is not a good idea, upgrading wrath of satan to something that is actually feared as opposed to shrugged at like it currently is, would be a good thing. I am recently of the opinion that the Offense in redemption is out of balance with the defense. Hence the prevalence of speed decks in the top level tourney's.
Orange Brigade EE
Sa: Discard all humans in play, cannot be prevented.
I like this suggestion the best. It gives the card some more punch, but does make it even close to unstoppable. Just my :2cents:
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Making it orange would be a huge enough boost already, why put any can not be prevented on it? Remeber how much orange can recur...? Putting it in orange would make orange a top defense just because one card. And then it would take away from how orange was intentded to be played.
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and how was orange intended to be played?
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Would be interesting if it discarded ALL humans in play (since he kills his own followers in RL).
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Would be interesting if it discarded ALL humans in play (since he kills his own followers in RL).
the suggestion already states ALL humans......what are you getting at?
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Sure, maybe it states "all humans," but does it mean "all humans?"
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Sure, maybe it states "all humans," but does it mean "all humans?"
Kaboom!!! My head just exploded!!!! What do you mean? doesn't all humans mean.....all humans. I don't understand Timmer
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I'd explain further, but you called me merely Timmer. Clearly, I am Timmest - who is more Tim than I?
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Would be interesting if it discarded ALL humans in play (since he kills his own followers in RL).
the suggestion already states ALL humans......what are you getting at?
:doh:
I kept reading it as all heroes :P
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It was already decided that Natz promos would only be good. :)
Cool card though, I'd love to see it in a set in the future.
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I'd explain further, but you called me merely Timmer. Clearly, I am Timmest - who is more Tim than I?
Indoubadably good sire....indoubadably. there is neither!
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It was already decided that Natz promos would only be good.
Who said it had to be a Nationals Promo ;)?
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The first post. ;)
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I NEVER said it had to be a nats promo. I said it should be A promo. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So the Wrath of Satan is as powerful as the Authority of Christ? No...
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So the Wrath of Satan is as powerful as the Authority of Christ? No...
I agree...but for the game purpose I can see what he's saying. There is CM and AotL. So I can see it going both ways
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It is weaker than AoCP. It can be prevented which opens it up for a whole bunch of mainstream way to stop it. Adding the cannot be prevented just gives a little extra spice. cannot be prevented =\= cannot be interrupted, prevented, or negated.
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I am still in favor of it being negated if oppnent reveals SOG from their hand.
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I am going to end this thread by describing the way I think the card should work.
Wrath of Satan
Orange Brigade
Ultra Rare
2/1
Picture: Same as original
SA: Discard all Human Heroes in play.
Cannot be negated unless
opponent reveals Son of God from
their hand.
I think this is cool because of the Sog thing going on and it shows that angels can't be killed and that JESUS is supreame.
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What about:
SA: Discard all Human Heroes in play. Opponent may reveal Son of God from his hand to negate this card. Otherwise, it cannot be negated.
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BETTER!!! It says the same thing but is worded a lot better.
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BETTER!!! It says the same thing but is worded a lot better.
Almost the same thing, but it is actually quite different. Your version simply removed the CBN status by showing SoG. The hero would still need a negate card to stop everyone from being discarded. My version actually negates the card by showing SoG. It is the same idea used by Sinning Hand.
Both work, but your version is more powerful. My version adds strategy; there would be a reason for some to play with the old version.
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You know, to be completely accurate, the opponent should discard SoG. However, that would be a very big cost. Let's see if this would work okay:
"Discard all humans in play. Opponent may discard Son of God from hand to discard all demons in play instead. Cannot be negated by a good card."
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You know, to be completely accurate, the opponent should discard SoG. However, that would be a very big cost. Let's see if this would work okay:
"Discard all humans in play. Opponent may discard Son of God from hand to discard all demons in play instead. Cannot be negated by a good card."
That sounds like an interesting idea.
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You know, to be completely accurate, the opponent should discard SoG. However, that would be a very big cost. Let's see if this would work okay:
"Discard all humans in play. Opponent may discard Son of God from hand to discard all demons in play instead. Cannot be negated by a good card."
To be COMPLETELY accurate, that discarded Son of God should return to hand in 3 turns...
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Amen, Cameron
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You know, to be completely accurate, the opponent should discard SoG. However, that would be a very big cost. Let's see if this would work okay:
"Discard all humans in play. Opponent may discard Son of God from hand to discard all demons in play instead. Cannot be negated by a good card."
To be COMPLETELY accurate, that discarded Son of God should return to hand in 3 turns...
That should be saved for another card.
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I believe if you play Wrath of Satan on a Warrior class EC With carcasses up It CBN!!!!
Carcasses
Type: Curse • Brigade: Black • Ability: 1 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: If a warrior class Evil Character is in battle, discard abilities on evil Enhancements cannot be negated. May be used for two rounds. • Identifiers: OT • Verse: Deuteronomy 28:26 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Uncommon)
This Makes WoS as powerful as AoCP.
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Not really. It is pretty easy to protect heroes (especial teal) from discard. It is not very easy to protect ECs from it. Also, having an artifact up just to make something CBN is a huge cost.
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and you waste it if the opponent does not attack, or you dont get a chance to play wrath of satan in battle.
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The best way to play Wrath is HT side-battle with Zecheriah while Z-Temple is out.
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Protecting heroes from discard isn't that easy... it's really only useful and effective with teal, and still that's only 1 of 7 brigades (yeah, red doesn't count), and not all teal decks use the covenant (I don't think Gabe did but I could be wrong).
Also, play philistine chariots and horses to make this combo pretty easy to pull off. ;D
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Altar of Incense protects all O.T. Heroes from Discard Enhancements.
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You know, to be completely accurate, the opponent should discard SoG. However, that would be a very big cost. Let's see if this would work okay:
"Discard all humans in play. Opponent may discard Son of God from hand to discard all demons in play instead. Cannot be negated by a good card."
To be COMPLETELY accurate, that discarded Son of God should return to hand in 3 turns...
That should be saved for another card.
Discard all heroes currently in play. Opponent may set aside Son of God, from hand, for 3 turns to shuffle heroes into deck instead.
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You see, Satan did not try to temporarily eliminate Jesus, he wanted to permanently eliminate Him. IMO, the return of Jesus three days later should be reserved for a good card, as it was His doing.
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I have another idea! how about this:
Orange Brigade
Wrath of Satan
2/1
SA: Discard all Human heroes in play. Opponant may set Son of God for 3 turns to negate this. otherwise in cannot be interrupted or redirected.
Ultra-Rare(Reginals Promo)
What do you guys think?
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You don't need the "cannotbe redirected". For one, nothing would change if that was redirected. Two, an interrupt is required for a redirect (making it CBI also makes it CBR)
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i thought the devil's name was spelled "Satan" and not "saten"
guess that 2nd A isn't needed anymore and i guess the law of all the 2nd a's in satan(saten)'s name should be changed to E in the bible ;)
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i thought the devil's name was spelled "Satan" and not "saten"
guess that 2nd A isn't needed anymore and i guess the law of all the 2nd a's in satan(saten)'s name should be changed to E in the bible ;)
Andy, you've made your fair share of spelling errors yourself, so I don't think it's appropriate for you (or anyone) to be rude like that about getting a single letter wrong.
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Yeah... what the heck was that all about?
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i thought the devil's name was spelled "Satan" and not "saten"
guess that 2nd A isn't needed anymore and i guess the law of all the 2nd a's in satan(saten)'s name should be changed to E in the bible ;)
Andy, you've made your fair share of spelling errors yourself, so I don't think it's appropriate for you (or anyone) to be rude like that about getting a single letter wrong.
i was just kidding around
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I picked up on that, but most people won't. Just, turn down the velocity when being humorous. It helps.
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His spelling is better than the people where I live who say it like this, "Sayt'n". At least he didn't spell it Satun ;D I hear it all living in the boonies :laugh:
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"could it beee....SAT-ON?!!!!"
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The Wrath of Sittin'
All players who's gluteus maximus hurts from sitting must skip their next turn and walk around the room to stretch.
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and take a bathroom break while your at it :laugh: