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Title: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: 12tipton3 on October 30, 2009, 08:00:41 PM
we have the Authority of Christ promo were it can't be negated, interrupted, or negated. wrath of saten when it was originally released (I think in warriors) it did the exact opposite of the original AtoC. there is one problem. it can be negated. i think it would be cool if there was a promotianal wrath of saten that can't be negated interrupted or prevented. what do you think?
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Ironica on October 30, 2009, 08:04:43 PM
It would be interesting if you have it this way:

"Discard all heroes in play.  Opponent can reveal a card connected with Christ to negate it otherwise, cannot be negated"

It doesn't have to be connected, per say, but it leaves it open to the fact that if you have Christ with you, Satan's power is diminished.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Master KChief on October 30, 2009, 08:05:14 PM
no. the reason being evil is supposed to be inherently less powerful than good.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on October 30, 2009, 08:12:52 PM
I think it would be cool if the sa would be

"Discard all heroes in play. Cannot be negated unless opponent reveals Son of God from his hand"

This would be interesting. I think it could work. Any ideas?
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Red on October 30, 2009, 08:18:54 PM
still oped i say use hoh then it is cbn.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on October 30, 2009, 09:24:18 PM
True. But I see where 12 is coming from.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: BubbleBoy on October 30, 2009, 11:20:22 PM
It could have a cost, like "Discard all of holder's EC's to discard all heroes. Cannot be Negated." And make it Black/Orange so T2 (and crazy people) can't have dupes.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Smokey on October 31, 2009, 12:11:02 AM
Imo,

Orange Brigade EE
Sa: Discard all humans in play, cannot be prevented.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Lawfuldog on October 31, 2009, 12:40:56 AM
Imo,

Orange Brigade EE
Sa: Discard all humans in play, cannot be prevented.

I support this post. Powerful enough to where it could vastly hurt your opponent's offense, and defense if not using a protect fort. It would help encourage civilization defenses and the use of orange on its own so you do not destroy your own defense.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Master KChief on October 31, 2009, 12:43:23 AM
ditto. its a very balanced but formidable card.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Isildur on October 31, 2009, 01:49:09 AM
imo it should be cannot be interupted.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 31, 2009, 02:40:23 AM
No more Cannot be Interrupted battlewinners. I'd be all for banning the ones that exist currently, except for AoCP and maybe Haman's Plot.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on October 31, 2009, 09:37:03 AM
No more Cannot be Interrupted battlewinners. I'd be all for banning the ones that exist currently, except for AoCP and maybe Haman's Plot.

This. If you wanna stop FBTN, just make it CBP. I much prefer those OR situational CBI/CBN.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Smokey on November 03, 2009, 10:42:25 AM
No more Cannot be Interrupted battlewinners. I'd be all for banning the ones that exist currently, except for AoCP and maybe Haman's Plot.

This. If you wanna stop FBTN, just make it CBP. I much prefer those OR situational CBI/CBN.

I'm going to make my own thread with orange card ideas because I don't want to hijack this one any further, but I made it CBP because I've noticed orange has problems with FBTN
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Shofarblower on November 03, 2009, 10:28:21 PM
I think we should make it,

orange/black
discard all heros not in the field of battle, cannot be IPN'd

then it would be cool if we could come up with a demon who drags all of the blocking players heroes into the field of battle without actually letting them do anything to effect the outcome. something like this

Spirit of Complacency

9/9 orange brigade EC

When this demon enters battle, all of holders heroes in play are brought into the field of battle and have no effect on current battle. Opponent may dicard one of their heroes in battle to negate this.

I don't have a reference and it would only be fun if the WoS Promo was created. I just thought I would put it in for giggles.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Tracer Burnout on November 04, 2009, 11:40:36 AM
no. the reason being evil is supposed to be inherently less powerful than good.

Right!!!! And if this game is biblically based it has to maintain that satan is NOT equal in any shape or form to God.  I understand the point of making it cannot be negated, but then we are making them equal.  Redemption cannot fall pray to this, otherwise what is the difference between this and another card game such as Magic.  Great Call M.Chief. 
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Tracer Burnout on November 04, 2009, 11:44:51 AM
Imo,

Orange Brigade EE
Sa: Discard all humans in play, cannot be prevented.



I like this suggestion.  It does allow for the heroes to be discarded, cannot be negated, but does not allow the power of satan to be greater than God.  Good choice smokey. 
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on November 04, 2009, 01:25:12 PM
Quote
No more Cannot be Interrupted battlewinners. I'd be all for banning the ones that exist currently, except for AoCP and maybe Haman's Plot.
I completely agree.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Korunks on November 05, 2009, 12:37:19 PM
While I agree that making this card to be equal to AoCP is not a good idea, upgrading wrath of satan to something that is actually feared as opposed to shrugged at like it currently is, would be a good thing.  I am recently of the opinion that the Offense in redemption is out of balance with the defense.  Hence the prevalence of speed decks in the top level tourney's.

Quote
Orange Brigade EE
Sa: Discard all humans in play, cannot be prevented.

I like this suggestion the best.  It gives the card some more punch, but does make it even close to unstoppable.  Just my  :2cents:

 
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on November 05, 2009, 02:45:57 PM
Making it orange would be a huge enough boost already, why put any can not be prevented on it? Remeber how much orange can recur...? Putting it in orange would make orange a top defense just because one card. And then it would take away from how orange was intentded to be played.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Korunks on November 05, 2009, 03:11:21 PM
and how was orange intended to be played?
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Ironica on November 05, 2009, 03:13:13 PM
Would be interesting if it discarded ALL humans in play (since he kills his own followers in RL).
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Tracer Burnout on November 05, 2009, 04:21:57 PM
Would be interesting if it discarded ALL humans in play (since he kills his own followers in RL).

the suggestion already states ALL humans......what are you getting at?
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: TimMierz on November 05, 2009, 04:51:53 PM
Sure, maybe it states "all humans," but does it mean "all humans?"
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Tracer Burnout on November 05, 2009, 04:56:53 PM
Sure, maybe it states "all humans," but does it mean "all humans?"


Kaboom!!! My head just exploded!!!! What do you mean?  doesn't all humans mean.....all humans.  I don't understand Timmer
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: TimMierz on November 05, 2009, 05:29:18 PM
I'd explain further, but you called me merely Timmer. Clearly, I am Timmest - who is more Tim than I?
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Ironica on November 05, 2009, 06:05:17 PM
Would be interesting if it discarded ALL humans in play (since he kills his own followers in RL).

the suggestion already states ALL humans......what are you getting at?

 :doh:

I kept reading it as all heroes :P
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: lightningninja on November 05, 2009, 07:22:35 PM
It was already decided that Natz promos would only be good.  :)

Cool card though, I'd love to see it in a set in the future.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Tracer Burnout on November 05, 2009, 07:28:57 PM
I'd explain further, but you called me merely Timmer. Clearly, I am Timmest - who is more Tim than I?

Indoubadably good sire....indoubadably.  there is neither!
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Korunks on November 06, 2009, 09:11:32 AM
Quote
It was already decided that Natz promos would only be good.

Who said it had to be a Nationals Promo  ;)?
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: lightningninja on November 09, 2009, 12:05:18 AM
The first post.  ;)
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: 12tipton3 on November 09, 2009, 06:44:59 PM
I NEVER said it had to be a nats promo. I said it should be A promo.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: drb1200 on November 13, 2009, 07:38:16 PM
So the Wrath of Satan is as powerful as the Authority of Christ? No...
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on November 13, 2009, 07:39:20 PM
So the Wrath of Satan is as powerful as the Authority of Christ? No...

I agree...but for the game purpose I can see what he's saying. There is CM and AotL. So I can see it going both ways
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Korunks on November 16, 2009, 11:29:25 AM
It is weaker than AoCP.  It can be prevented which opens it up for a whole bunch of mainstream way to stop it.  Adding the cannot be prevented just gives a little extra spice.  cannot be prevented =\= cannot be interrupted, prevented, or negated. 
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Ironica on November 16, 2009, 03:43:20 PM
I am still in favor of it being negated if oppnent reveals SOG from their hand.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: 12tipton3 on November 16, 2009, 06:42:20 PM
I am going to end this thread by describing the way I think the card should work.

Wrath of Satan
Orange Brigade
Ultra Rare
2/1
Picture: Same as original

SA: Discard all Human Heroes in play.
      Cannot be negated unless
      opponent reveals Son of God from
      their hand.

I think this is cool because of the Sog thing going on and it shows that angels can't be killed and that JESUS is supreame.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on November 16, 2009, 06:45:28 PM
What about:

SA: Discard all Human Heroes in play.  Opponent may reveal Son of God from his hand to negate this card.  Otherwise, it cannot be negated.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: 12tipton3 on November 16, 2009, 06:49:11 PM
BETTER!!! It says the same thing but is worded a lot better.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on November 16, 2009, 06:52:43 PM
BETTER!!! It says the same thing but is worded a lot better.
Almost the same thing, but it is actually quite different.  Your version simply removed the CBN status by showing SoG.  The hero would still need a negate card to stop everyone from being discarded.  My version actually negates the card by showing SoG.  It is the same idea used by Sinning Hand.

Both work, but your version is more powerful.  My version adds strategy; there would be a reason for some to play with the old version.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 16, 2009, 07:10:10 PM
You know, to be completely accurate, the opponent should discard SoG. However, that would be a very big cost. Let's see if this would work okay:

"Discard all humans in play. Opponent may discard Son of God from hand to discard all demons in play instead. Cannot be negated by a good card."
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: browarod on November 16, 2009, 07:14:29 PM
You know, to be completely accurate, the opponent should discard SoG. However, that would be a very big cost. Let's see if this would work okay:

"Discard all humans in play. Opponent may discard Son of God from hand to discard all demons in play instead. Cannot be negated by a good card."
That sounds like an interesting idea.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on November 16, 2009, 07:34:45 PM
You know, to be completely accurate, the opponent should discard SoG. However, that would be a very big cost. Let's see if this would work okay:

"Discard all humans in play. Opponent may discard Son of God from hand to discard all demons in play instead. Cannot be negated by a good card."

To be COMPLETELY accurate, that discarded Son of God should return to hand in 3 turns...
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Terry Markoff on November 16, 2009, 07:40:32 PM
Amen, Cameron
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 16, 2009, 07:47:45 PM
You know, to be completely accurate, the opponent should discard SoG. However, that would be a very big cost. Let's see if this would work okay:

"Discard all humans in play. Opponent may discard Son of God from hand to discard all demons in play instead. Cannot be negated by a good card."

To be COMPLETELY accurate, that discarded Son of God should return to hand in 3 turns...
That should be saved for another card.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Yankee1 on November 17, 2009, 12:20:54 AM
I believe if you play Wrath of Satan on a Warrior class EC With carcasses up It CBN!!!!

Carcasses
Type: Curse • Brigade: Black • Ability: 1 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: If a warrior class Evil Character is in battle, discard abilities on evil Enhancements cannot be negated. May be used for two rounds. • Identifiers: OT • Verse: Deuteronomy 28:26 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Uncommon)

This Makes WoS as powerful as AoCP.



Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on November 17, 2009, 01:03:03 AM
Not really.  It is pretty easy to protect heroes (especial teal) from discard.  It is not very easy to protect ECs from it.  Also, having an artifact up just to make something CBN is a huge cost.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Master KChief on November 17, 2009, 02:23:26 AM
and you waste it if the opponent does not attack, or you dont get a chance to play wrath of satan in battle.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Minister Polarius on November 17, 2009, 04:14:58 AM
The best way to play Wrath is HT side-battle with Zecheriah while Z-Temple is out.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: lightningninja on November 17, 2009, 03:38:33 PM
Protecting heroes from discard isn't that easy... it's really only useful and effective with teal, and still that's only 1 of 7 brigades (yeah, red doesn't count), and not all teal decks use the covenant (I don't think Gabe did but I could be wrong).

Also, play philistine chariots and horses to make this combo pretty easy to pull off.  ;D
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Minister Polarius on November 17, 2009, 05:02:35 PM
Altar of Incense protects all O.T. Heroes from Discard Enhancements.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Shofarblower on November 17, 2009, 09:53:23 PM
 
You know, to be completely accurate, the opponent should discard SoG. However, that would be a very big cost. Let's see if this would work okay:

"Discard all humans in play. Opponent may discard Son of God from hand to discard all demons in play instead. Cannot be negated by a good card."

To be COMPLETELY accurate, that discarded Son of God should return to hand in 3 turns...
That should be saved for another card.

Discard all heroes currently in play. Opponent may set aside Son of God, from hand, for 3 turns to shuffle heroes into deck instead.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: BubbleBoy on November 17, 2009, 10:28:55 PM
You see, Satan did not try to temporarily eliminate Jesus, he wanted to permanently eliminate Him. IMO, the return of Jesus three days later should be reserved for a good card, as it was His doing.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: 12tipton3 on November 18, 2009, 10:32:40 AM
I have another idea! how about this:

Orange Brigade
Wrath of Satan
2/1
SA: Discard all Human heroes in play. Opponant may set Son of God for 3 turns to negate this. otherwise in cannot be interrupted or redirected.

Ultra-Rare(Reginals Promo)

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Cameron the Conqueror on November 18, 2009, 10:35:44 AM
You don't need the "cannotbe redirected".  For one, nothing would change if that was redirected.  Two, an interrupt is required for a redirect (making it CBI also makes it CBR)
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: New Raven BR on November 18, 2009, 01:10:41 PM
i thought the devil's name was spelled "Satan" and not "saten"
guess that 2nd A isn't needed anymore and i guess the law of all the 2nd a's in satan(saten)'s name should be changed to E  in the bible ;)
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: TimMierz on November 18, 2009, 01:15:59 PM
i thought the devil's name was spelled "Satan" and not "saten"
guess that 2nd A isn't needed anymore and i guess the law of all the 2nd a's in satan(saten)'s name should be changed to E  in the bible ;)

Andy, you've made your fair share of spelling errors yourself, so I don't think it's appropriate for you (or anyone) to be rude like that about getting a single letter wrong.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: lightningninja on November 18, 2009, 03:10:08 PM
Yeah... what the heck was that all about?
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: New Raven BR on November 18, 2009, 04:21:01 PM
i thought the devil's name was spelled "Satan" and not "saten"
guess that 2nd A isn't needed anymore and i guess the law of all the 2nd a's in satan(saten)'s name should be changed to E  in the bible ;)

Andy, you've made your fair share of spelling errors yourself, so I don't think it's appropriate for you (or anyone) to be rude like that about getting a single letter wrong.
i was just kidding around
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Minister Polarius on November 18, 2009, 07:25:24 PM
I picked up on that, but most people won't. Just, turn down the velocity when being humorous. It helps.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Shofarblower on November 18, 2009, 07:41:34 PM
His spelling is better than the people where I live who say it like this,   "Sayt'n". At least he didn't spell it Satun  ;D  I hear it all living in the boonies  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: New Raven BR on November 18, 2009, 09:29:04 PM
"could it beee....SAT-ON?!!!!"
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on November 18, 2009, 11:07:25 PM
The Wrath of Sittin'

All players who's gluteus maximus hurts from sitting must skip their next turn and walk around the room to stretch.
Title: Re: The Wrath of Saten(Promo)
Post by: New Raven BR on November 18, 2009, 11:15:18 PM
and take a bathroom break while your at it  :laugh:
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