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"Discard all human heroes in battle. Cannot be Negated, interrupted, prevented, or redirected."

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

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"Discard all human heroes in battle. Cannot be Negated, interrupted, prevented, or redirected."

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

WHY IS THE RAPTURE A FRICKEN EVIL CARD?!?

It's meant to be the counter for an AoCP and because while all the Christians are raptured, Satan will have "Free" reign over the Earth and there will be about 7 years of Tribulation for new believers.

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"Discard all human heroes in battle. Cannot be Negated, interrupted, prevented, or redirected."

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

WHY IS THE RAPTURE A FRICKEN EVIL CARD?!?

It's meant to be the counter for an AoCP and because while all the Christians are raptured, Satan will have "Free" reign over the Earth and there will be about 7 years of Tribulation for new believers.

It should be similiar to Holy Onto the Lord where instead of shuffling evil characters it should shuffle heros into their owners' decks and/or remove all heros in discard piles from the game.

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"Discard all human heroes in battle. Cannot be Negated, interrupted, prevented, or redirected."

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

WHY IS THE RAPTURE A FRICKEN EVIL CARD?!?

It's meant to be the counter for an AoCP and because while all the Christians are raptured, Satan will have "Free" reign over the Earth and there will be about 7 years of Tribulation for new believers.

plz support this info with scripture, btw Wrath of satan is already a count

Then make it a Wrath of Satan CBN -_-

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"Discard all human heroes in battle. Cannot be Negated, interrupted, prevented, or redirected."

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

WHY IS THE RAPTURE A FRICKEN EVIL CARD?!?

It's meant to be the counter for an AoCP and because while all the Christians are raptured, Satan will have "Free" reign over the Earth and there will be about 7 years of Tribulation for new believers.

plz support this info with scripture, btw Wrath of satan is already a count

Then make it a Wrath of Satan CBN -_-

Good is more powerful than evil-FACT

That's why I chose The Rapture because it only removes HUMAN HEROES -_- Powerful, but not quite as powerful as AoCP.  Btw, being a CM is considered very special by God, yet it is an Evil Dominant that doesn't help your offense at all...

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"Discard all human heroes in battle. Cannot be Negated, interrupted, prevented, or redirected."

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

WHY IS THE RAPTURE A FRICKEN EVIL CARD?!?

It's meant to be the counter for an AoCP and because while all the Christians are raptured, Satan will have "Free" reign over the Earth and there will be about 7 years of Tribulation for new believers.

plz support this info with scripture, btw Wrath of satan is already a count

Then make it a Wrath of Satan CBN -_-

Good is more powerful than evil-FACT

That's why I chose The Rapture because it only removes HUMAN HEROES -_- Powerful, but not quite as powerful as AoCP.  Btw, being a CM is considered very special by God, yet it is an Evil Dominant that doesn't help your offense at all...

biggest quote thingy I have ever seen ^^^

 

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"Discard all human heroes in battle. Cannot be Negated, interrupted, prevented, or redirected."

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

WHY IS THE RAPTURE A FRICKEN EVIL CARD?!?

It's meant to be the counter for an AoCP and because while all the Christians are raptured, Satan will have "Free" reign over the Earth and there will be about 7 years of Tribulation for new believers.

plz support this info with scripture, btw Wrath of satan is already a count

Then make it a Wrath of Satan CBN -_-

Good is more powerful than evil-FACT

That's why I chose The Rapture because it only removes HUMAN HEROES -_- Powerful, but not quite as powerful as AoCP.  Btw, being a CM is considered very special by God, yet it is an Evil Dominant that doesn't help your offense at all...

biggest quote thingy I have ever seen ^^^

 

new biggest.

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"Discard all human heroes in battle. Cannot be Negated, interrupted, prevented, or redirected."

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

WHY IS THE RAPTURE A FRICKEN EVIL CARD?!?

It's meant to be the counter for an AoCP and because while all the Christians are raptured, Satan will have "Free" reign over the Earth and there will be about 7 years of Tribulation for new believers.

plz support this info with scripture, btw Wrath of satan is already a count

Then make it a Wrath of Satan CBN -_-

Good is more powerful than evil-FACT

That's why I chose The Rapture because it only removes HUMAN HEROES -_- Powerful, but not quite as powerful as AoCP.  Btw, being a CM is considered very special by God, yet it is an Evil Dominant that doesn't help your offense at all...

biggest quote thingy I have ever seen ^^^

 

new biggest.

I'll put in my 2 cents ( ) That is now the second biggest 

incorect my good friend!

biggest one to my knowledge was the Broken Cisterns thread, in which we had to edit it to make it shorter. there have been plenty to reach the 500 character mark.

Quote from: The Warrior on May 18, 2010, 06:55:27 PM

plz support this info with scripture

agreed. and preferably one not by LeHayes or Jenkin.

I never quoted Jenkins or LeHaye.  I only quoted a Bible Reference.

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"Discard all human heroes in battle. Cannot be Negated, interrupted, prevented, or redirected."

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

sniper, no offense but this is a bad idea for when it comes to the bible.
i mean for one the rapture is a GOOD thing and it shouldn't counter aocp, considering the fact that it is God's will and promise that we will be caught up in the twinkling of an eye into heaven. and plus the only "countering" in this game is when it involves the word "redirect"and not with "cannot be". plus, the rapture shouldn't counter AOCP anyways, cause the rapture comes before Christ's return and nowhere in the bible does it say that the rapture is bad or even hint that it is bad when honestly is good

i think the rapture should be at least something like this:

Twinkling of an eye
white 1/X
(x number of good brigades in play)
holder may shuffle up to two heroes from discard pile into draw pile.
if played on Paul and son of God has not been played, holder may search through discard pile for Son of God and put it in hand.Cannot be negated if used by a NT hero
1 corinthians 15:52

sorry if i sounded so rude but quite a few people here are confused.
card creation is harder then it looks.
i mean you can't just slap "discard all heroes. cannot be blah, blah, blah" on as the special ability and expect for everyone to say "good job!!"
i mean there are good players here who will criticize your card ideas and post feedback to help you become a better person to come up with new card ideas.
sniper, i advise you on your future card creations to take thought into the process when coming up with a new card idea.
i mean i understand how you are as a new player cause i was once someone who slaps those kinds of special abilities on as the special abilities and try to make it so overpowered cause so many cards i come across are too hard to beat, that people will just hold up signs that say "epicly overpowered"
im not trying to be rude,hard, or mean to you sniper, i mean i know your new and welcome to the boards, but i ask you to please take the feedback you receive, into account and ask yourself "what can i do to tweak this new idea i had?"
the answer you seek lies in the bible itself, cause if it sounds good in a godly way then it has to be either lamb,cross,bible, or (good multi color brigade)fortress iconed.
i applaude your attempt at trying to create a card idea.keep it up and listen to the feedback you get and be pateint, so you'll become a pro in no time!

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"Discard all human heroes in battle. Cannot be Negated, interrupted, prevented, or redirected."

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

sniper, no offense but this is a bad idea for when it comes to the bible.
i mean for one the rapture is a GOOD thing and it shouldn't counter aocp, considering the fact that it is God's will and promise that we will be caught up in the twinkling of an eye into heaven. and plus the only "countering" in this game is when it involves the word "redirect"and not with "cannot be". plus, the rapture shouldn't counter AOCP anyways, cause the rapture comes before Christ's return and nowhere in the bible does it say that the rapture is bad or even hint that it is bad when honestly is good

i think the rapture should be at least something like this:

Twinkling of an eye
white 1/X
(x number of good brigades in play)
holder may shuffle up to two heroes from discard pile into draw pile.
if played on Paul and son of God has not been played, holder may search through discard pile for Son of God and put it in hand.Cannot be negated if used by a NT hero
1 corinthians 15:52

sorry if i sounded so rude but quite a few people here are confused.
card creation is harder then it looks.
i mean you can't just slap "discard all heroes. cannot be blah, blah, blah" on as the special ability and expect for everyone to say "good job!!"
i mean there are good players here who will criticize your card ideas and post feedback to help you become a better person to come up with new card ideas.
sniper, i advise you on your future card creations to take thought into the process when coming up with a new card idea.
i mean i understand how you are as a new player cause i was once someone who slaps those kinds of special abilities on as the special abilities and try to make it so overpowered cause so many cards i come across are too hard to beat, that people will just hold up signs that say "epicly overpowered"
im not trying to be rude,hard, or mean to you sniper, i mean i know your new and welcome to the boards, but i ask you to please take the feedback you receive, into account and ask yourself "what can i do to tweak this new idea i had?"
the answer you seek lies in the bible itself, cause if it sounds good in a godly way then it has to be either lamb,cross,bible, or (good multi color brigade)fortress iconed.
i applaude your attempt at trying to create a card idea.keep it up and listen to the feedback you get and be pateint, so you'll become a pro in no time!

Ah, I see where the confusion lies... I shouldn't used the word counter: what I should have said is equivalent.  I tried to take into consideration the power of the card by limiting it to human heroes and not all heroes.  I figured that AoCP was quite a powerful card and thus should have a younger not as powerful little brother on the evil side.  While I understand the Rapture is not intended to be evil in the Bible, it seems to be one of the only ways that a large amount of heroes could truly be "temporarily" removed from play.  An addition to the card could be that: All heroes are set aside and after X turns, the cards return to owner's decks.

you never backed up the statement that Warrior was responding to with any scripture.

I know.

i cant quote anymore cuz it exceeds 500 characters...
@raven.... wyn
@Sniper... plz explain how these scriptures make the rapture evil
@Wraith... at least there is some who < you...Sniper<Wraith

Or just have the real thing happen.  It'll clear up quite a bit of stuff.
Ditto on the shuffle.  Or return to hand/something or other.
Though to keep it theologically correct, we should return all the heroes to their maker, Cactus Games.

this was very funny, haha


STOP SPAMMING!!!

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i cant quote anymore cuz it exceeds 500 characters...
@raven.... wyn
@Sniper... plz explain how these scriptures make the rapture evil
@Wraith... at least there is some who < you...Sniper<Wraith

I never said the rapture was evil.  I'm simply pointing out that with the rapture, current believers are taken to heaven, and post-rapture believers are persecuted for their beliefs, hence, human heroes being discarded or temporarily removed while leaving limited heroes to make rescue attempts (Mainly angels and newly drawn/played heroes).  The Rapture is not evil just like death for a Christian is not truly "Evil" because we go home to our Creator.  As far as the whole X>Y<Z thing, one topic and misunderstanding by one person does not make someone better or less than another person.  All men were created equal.

if its not evil then is not a EVIL card... u prove my point... thanks for the awesome self-pwn

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"Discard all human heroes in battle. Cannot be Negated, interrupted, prevented, or redirected."

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

what about instead all players search their draw piles for all non-human heros and place them in set-side area. Then all players put their heros into a pile from play and randomly make two piles. Then all players select an opponent to pick one of their hero piles to be removed from the game then remove all non-human heros from set aside from the game and end the game!! Haha

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"Set aside all non-human heroes. After seven turns, shuffle heroes into owner's draw piles.  Cannot be Negated, interrupted, prevented, or redirected."

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

(Modified version)

Quote from: The Warrior on May 18, 2010, 08:37:48 PM

i cant quote anymore cuz it exceeds 500 characters...
@raven.... wyn
@Sniper... plz explain how these scriptures make the rapture evil
@Wraith... at least there is some who < you...Sniper<Wraith

wyn. so long as the raven comment was a joke.

Sniper, how about this?
Rapture.
good dominant
"after game, player may place all heroes in land of redemption."
biblically accurate, and oh so totally useless.

*Sigh* Because heroes are already redeemed and do not count towards redeemed souls silly.

The problem here is that the biblical concept of the Rapture does not fit into Redemption's game mechanics.  So, we either mess with it a bit or not have it as a card.
Jesus has massive, massive power.  Naturally this is a little unbalanced (lucky for us, we're on the right side).  So Rob had to nerf Jesus (what a terrible phrase) in order to make Redemption a playable game.
Hope this helps.  COUNTER_SNIPER, you may want to mess with it a bit more.  Seven turns is a long time.
You may want to have it make evil battle evil, a sort of "brother v. brother" type of thing.

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Quote from: The Warrior on May 18, 2010, 08:37:48 PM

i cant quote anymore cuz it exceeds 500 characters...
@raven.... wyn
@Sniper... plz explain how these scriptures make the rapture evil
@Wraith... at least there is some who < you...Sniper<Wraith

I never said the rapture was evil.  I'm simply pointing out that with the rapture, current believers are taken to heaven, and post-rapture believers are persecuted for their beliefs, hence, human heroes being discarded or temporarily removed while leaving limited heroes to make rescue attempts (Mainly angels and newly drawn/played heroes).  The Rapture is not evil just like death for a Christian is not truly "Evil" because we go home to our Creator.  As far as the whole X>Y<Z thing, one topic and misunderstanding by one person does not make someone better or less than another person.  All men were created equal.

if its not evil then is not a EVIL card... u prove my point... thanks for the awesome self-pwn

Your point? What point did YOU have? The only person who gave any "point" was Raven, not you.  So you would rather have a Rapture card that removes all human heroes and pave the way for the defense side?  Tell me where the logic lies in that.  The event itself may be good, but the effect on the game benefits the evil side.  I didn't do this unwittingly or because I am "new," there is a special conflict with this ability that benefits the evil characters so THAT'S WHY I CHOSE TO MAKE IT AN EVIL ENHANCEMENT.

my point : You said

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I never said the rapture was evil

, But you are trying to make it a EVIL enhancement.
Its not Evil but its evil. Thats makes LOTS of Sense

It's a good Biblical event that temporarily enhances evil.  The idea when paired in redemption is somewhat of a contradiction.  Don't blame me for it.  Since there is so much resistance and confusion, I'm ending the idea.  The Rapture just cannot be done in Redemption just like a Jesus card can't be done.  It can't be a good enhancement if it removes heroes.  

Well, since raptured heroes go to Heaven, why not:
The Rapture:
Good Dominant
All heroes in play may use silver brigade enhancements

Well, since raptured heroes go to Heaven, why not:
The Rapture:
Good Dominant
All heroes in play may use silver brigade enhancements

Well, with the Rapture, they are removed to heaven.  In order for your idea to work it would have to work like this:

Good Dominant: Rapture & Second Coming

Either:

"Played simultaneously with SOG/NJ. Allows all heroes to use silver brigade enhancements for remainder of game."

Or:

"Remove all human heroes heroes until Son of God and New Jerusalem are played by holder. Game ends.  If opponent plays SOG/NJ, heroes are shuffled into owner's decks and game-play resumes."

I don't like adding Dominants, so I personally don't like either of these.

Well, since raptured heroes go to Heaven, why not:
The Rapture:
Good Dominant
All heroes in play may use silver brigade enhancements

haha, I like this; but technically don't believers get raptured into the sky only to return to the earth, not Heaven? At least temporarily, but yes our final destination is Heaven.

Bible>breaking the game

I already posted that I'm canceling the idea because it doesn't work in Redemption.