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Title: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: The Warrior on April 09, 2011, 02:27:40 PM
I Know this has been thought and discussed before a number of times but this is seriously a good idea because of...

1)A Vast Gold mine of stuff we haven't even touched yet
2) Misc. reprints (Beast from the Earth/Sea, Red Dragon etc.)(orange?)
3)a Wide Variety of types of cards to aid many if not all themes
Title: Re: Revelation Expansion/Starter/Theme
Post by: drb1200 on April 09, 2011, 02:59:59 PM
^^Fixed the topic name^^
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Starter/Theme
Post by: Professoralstad on April 09, 2011, 03:13:05 PM
I agree that it would be awesome. I wouldn't want it to be a starter though, as starter abilities have to generally be a bit simpler. The reprints for Revelation Angels and Demons would have to have awesome abilities.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Starter/Theme
Post by: The Warrior on April 09, 2011, 03:16:24 PM
I agree that it would be awesome. I wouldn't want it to be a starter though, as starter abilities have to generally be a bit simpler. The reprints for Revelation Angels and Demons would have to have awesome abilities.
Weren't There a bunch of Rev's in Warriors too? 
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 09, 2011, 03:28:50 PM
I've been making Card ideas for Revelation Cards as well. They could also make some Good Heritics, Angels, Demons, Could start a Myrtyr set, The Seven Churches and more!
And most of the Seals/Trumps could be reprinted w/ a lot more useful Abilites etc.
I love the idea!
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: The Warrior on April 09, 2011, 03:31:27 PM
i saw ur thread below this one.

Revelations is a very Rich source of cards especially Characters, Arts and Fort/Sites
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: cookie monster on April 09, 2011, 03:48:14 PM
This is a great idea ;D
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 09, 2011, 06:02:05 PM
Thx! I personally love the idea, it'd make Angels and Demons more fun.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Red on April 09, 2011, 07:44:31 PM
I've been making Card ideas for Revelation Cards as well. They could also make some Good Heritics, Angels, Demons, Could start a Myrtyr set, The Seven Churches and more!
And most of the Seals/Trumps could be reprinted w/ a lot more useful Abilites etc.
I love the idea!
Heretics can't be good.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 09, 2011, 09:23:06 PM
Good as in Nasty
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Chronic Apathy on April 09, 2011, 09:33:14 PM
Good as in effective.

I've always been a proponent of this idea, and I feel like, at some point, it needs to be a set. "The End Times" or something. Rejuvenate angels, flesh out heretics as a full-fledged strategy, give site-access legitimate merit again with Churches. There's honestly enough that I could see focusing entirely on five or six strategies, adding some and legitimizing others.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: drb1200 on April 10, 2011, 10:49:44 AM
I've been making Card ideas for Revelation Cards as well. They could also make some Good Heritics, Angels, Demons, Could start a Myrtyr set, The Seven Churches and more!
And most of the Seals/Trumps could be reprinted w/ a lot more useful Abilites etc.
I love the idea!
Heretics can't be good.
a person believing in or practicing religious heresy.
• a person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted.

Martin Luther, John Calvin, John the Baptist......
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Minister Polarius on April 10, 2011, 11:58:26 AM
The Redemption definition of Heretic is someone who claimed faith but preached against the teachings of the Apostles.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: The Warrior on April 10, 2011, 03:04:54 PM
That Years Natz Promo would have to be something Huge Like
The Antichrist
The Rapture
The Revelation
or Maybe even something like
Nameless
or
Faithful And True
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: cookie monster on April 10, 2011, 03:24:00 PM
I will try to think of cards that I think would be good in a revelations set ;)
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: The Warrior on April 10, 2011, 03:30:36 PM
many many characters like beasts and people and dragons
and places like churches
and arts.... there are lots of metophoric items
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 10, 2011, 03:44:42 PM
Check out my threads because I've been posting a lot of ideas on this. I made the 6 other churches, new Heritics like: NT Jezabel, Nicolations, Balak and more.
And several Angel cards! Plus they can use this to revamp the Seals, Trumpets and make the seven Bowls and make all of them competitive.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Chronic Apathy on April 10, 2011, 07:25:59 PM
That Years Natz Promo would have to be something Huge Like
The Antichrist
The Rapture
The Revelation
or Maybe even something like
Nameless
or
Faithful And True

There's a lot of potential there, I especially like The Rapture as a multi-colored enhancement, probably a set-aside with a long wait but a huge payoff. I can't think of anything good right now though, disappointingly.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: The Warrior on April 10, 2011, 08:47:29 PM
That Years Natz Promo would have to be something Huge Like
The Antichrist
The Rapture
The Revelation
or Maybe even something like
Nameless
or
Faithful And True

There's a lot of potential there, I especially like The Rapture as a multi-colored enhancement, probably a set-aside with a long wait but a huge payoff. I can't think of anything good right now though, disappointingly.
said aside Thad for the until the end of game,while Thad is set aside Demons can be Redeemed
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: The M on April 10, 2011, 08:48:57 PM
That Years Natz Promo would have to be something Huge Like
The Antichrist
The Rapture
The Revelation
or Maybe even something like
Nameless
or
Faithful And True
My cousin?!? a Nats Promo?? What is the world coming to? :P
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 10, 2011, 09:38:02 PM
Promos? My idea is that the set would be big like the old ones were. You don't have to limit ourselves to 60-card sets.

Maybe they should reprint John just for fun, maybe have him be protected from Discard Abilites or something. And Patmos should Capture John and not be Purple.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 11, 2011, 12:19:39 AM
Wasn't there a fan made expansion based on Revelation.

I would be against having a whole Revelation set, unless they were really careful about how powerful they made the demons and angels.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: The M on April 11, 2011, 05:36:37 PM
Wasn't there a fan made expansion based on Revelation.

I would be against having a whole Revelation set, unless they were really careful about how powerful they made the demons and angels.

Are you against angels actually being a viable single brigade?
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 11, 2011, 05:55:02 PM
Yes. I'd much rather demons to be viable than angels.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: drb1200 on April 11, 2011, 06:44:39 PM
I think that gold should be for "Heavenly" cards.

Silver - Angels
Gold - Heavenly (like Saints, 144,000, heavenly animals and vision stuff from revelation.)
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 11, 2011, 06:58:08 PM
I'd prefer Red. Gold already has two themes, both of which are better than red warriors.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: The M on April 11, 2011, 08:33:25 PM
or a New Brigade.

I vote either
Cyan
Periwinkle
Coquelicot
or
Beige
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: drb1200 on April 11, 2011, 08:37:40 PM
or a New Brigade.

I vote either
Cyan
Periwinkle
Coquelicot
or
Beige
Pink
Tan
Maroon
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 11, 2011, 09:13:55 PM
I would be against a new brigade.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Minister Polarius on April 12, 2011, 03:26:40 AM
The only possible way there would be a new offensive brigade is if there were a major Early Church set printed. That's the only theme left in the game that has enough material that isn't already in another theme to warrant its own new Brigade.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 12, 2011, 09:50:41 AM
Yea, I think the Brigades are good for right now, unless they make a Women only Brigade which was Pink, (Which would be kinda wierd) I believe that the Heavenly cards should be Silver as well, because they should work w/ Angels. It wouldn't make sense to not allow them to work w/ Angels by seperating them into another Brigade.

Angels need some new useful cards which only can be provided in Revelation, basically the same with Demons as well. And Heritics could actually become a viable option if they made a Revealation set.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Red on April 12, 2011, 11:31:09 AM
Yea, I think the Brigades are good for right now, unless they make a Women only Brigade which was Pink, (Which would be kinda wierd) I believe that the Heavenly cards should be Silver as well, because they should work w/ Angels. It wouldn't make sense to not allow them to work w/ Angels by seperating them into another Brigade.

Angels need some new useful cards which only can be provided in Revelation, basically the same with Demons as well. And Heritics could actually become a viable option if they made a Revealation set.
No, No, and No. Hereitics are good, Angels need reprints, And plenty of demons left before you need revelation.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 13, 2011, 04:02:29 AM
You can't run a full Heritic Deck, and all Heritic strategies Invovle using cards that are not for Heritics, like Nebu. And most of the Angel cards that really need reprints (Most of the seals, all of the trumpets (excluding the 7th) Servant Angel, Guiding Angel etc.) are Revelation Cards. And the Demons in Revealation need to be reprinted because their curretly useless.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Red on April 13, 2011, 08:28:58 AM
Red dragon isn't useless.... And Heretics have screwed me over many times.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 13, 2011, 02:56:05 PM
I have played Heritics and they need more that what they currently have. And the ones I was referring to was Beast of the Sea/Earth and cards like Babylon the Great and others. Although I think that Red Dragon should be reprinted into Orange, because he's a demon.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on April 13, 2011, 06:25:27 PM
or a New Brigade.

I vote either
Cyan
Periwinkle
Coquelicot
or
Beige
Pink
Tan
Maroon

Burnt Sienna


-C_S
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Irish_Luck on April 13, 2011, 08:17:02 PM
Then they could make a blue/silver enhancement:

Beginning and End - Band into battle all hero's with either a Genesis or Revelation Reference. Cannot be negated if John is in play.
It would have the verse Revelations 21:6 "And he also said, "It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega--the Beginning and the End. To all who are thirsty I will give freely from the springs of the water of life."
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 15, 2011, 02:49:09 AM
That could be interesting... I was thinking of a Dominant that could pop In play or Set-aside Fortresses or Sites. It would make Boat & Chamber not as awesome. And keep them from being Game winners/changers so much.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Minister Polarius on April 15, 2011, 08:53:20 AM
People have been proposing a fort-killing Dom for a long time, but the general consensus is that it's a non-starter, especially one that also targets set-aside.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: SomeKittens on April 15, 2011, 11:34:35 AM
Then they could make a blue/silver enhancement:

Beginning and End - Band into battle all hero's with either a Genesis or Revelation Reference. Cannot be negated if John is in play.
It would have the verse Revelations 21:6 "And he also said, "It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega--the Beginning and the End. To all who are thirsty I will give freely from the springs of the water of life."
Sadly, John can't even use it...
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 16, 2011, 12:14:08 AM
1st. I agree, they should put it in a set as a UR. It would make cards like Boat/Chamber not so perfect. And make a way to knockdown high-powered Sites and Fort's.

Also, on the card, make it Silver/Purple. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on April 16, 2011, 12:19:06 AM
I kind of feel that forts shouldn't be easy to get rid of... after all, a fortress is a stronghold of sorts.  Just my thought.

-C_S
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: cookie monster on April 16, 2011, 11:38:11 AM
I just thought of a dom that would take down a fortress!

"Fall of babylon" interupt the speciel ability of any fortress in play and move it to holders teretory for remander of game, that fortress may hold as many demons as holder chooses, protect demons from discard by a good card exept silver discard abilities. the verse would be: Revelations 18:2, And he called out in a mighty voice,"Fallen, Fallen is
Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.   
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: The M on April 16, 2011, 12:54:48 PM
Maybe this could be adapted.

Fall of Babylon
Dom/Enhancement??
Interrupt the special ability of any fortress in play and move it to holders territory for remainder of game regardless of protection. That fortress may hold 1 demon to protect all demons in play from discard by a good enhancement.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: SomeKittens on April 16, 2011, 05:06:39 PM
How's about we don't need any more dominants?
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: The Warrior on April 16, 2011, 05:55:38 PM
how bout a new type of card, an "event" card could be like placed somewhere( during like prep, without needing like anything ) just waiting to be active, like example :

Fall of Babylon
Event card
Place on A Fortress or Revelations Site. When that Card is Removed from play instead
Quote
Move it to holders territory for remainder of game regardless of protection. That fortress may hold 1 demon to protect all demons in play from discard by a good enhancement.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: cookie monster on April 16, 2011, 07:46:27 PM
So you would put the "Event" card in his teretory and then activate it and use it any time during your turn after it is put in your teretory, if I understand this new idea (which I think is a great Idea) then I think "Fall of babylon" would be perfect as an "Event" card.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: SomeKittens on April 16, 2011, 08:05:52 PM
how bout a new type of card, an "event" card could be like placed somewhere( during like prep, without needing like anything ) just waiting to be active, like example :

Fall of Babylon
Event card
Place of A Fortress or Revelations Site. When that Card is Removed from play instead
Quote
Move it to holders territory for remainder of game regardless of protection. That fortress may hold 1 demon to protect all demons in play from discard by a good enhancement.
Well, instead of "event", I think it'd make much better to call it "Territory," as it's played in territory.  Since this is a specific type of card, we should also add "Class" to that, so people understand how it works.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on April 17, 2011, 08:26:31 AM
how bout a new type of card, an "event" card could be like placed somewhere( during like prep, without needing like anything ) just waiting to be active, like example :

Fall of Babylon
Event card
Place of A Fortress or Revelations Site. When that Card is Removed from play instead
Quote
Move it to holders territory for remainder of game regardless of protection. That fortress may hold 1 demon to protect all demons in play from discard by a good enhancement.
Well, instead of "event", I think it'd make much better to call it "Territory," as it's played in territory.  Since this is a specific type of card, we should also add "Class" to that, so people understand how it works.

Well, they did say "somewhere" not necessarily territory.

-C_S
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: The Warrior on April 17, 2011, 01:02:49 PM
how bout a new type of card, an "event" card could be like placed somewhere( during like prep, without needing like anything ) just waiting to be active, like example :

Fall of Babylon
Event card
Place of A Fortress or Revelations Site. When that Card is Removed from play instead
Quote
Move it to holders territory for remainder of game regardless of protection. That fortress may hold 1 demon to protect all demons in play from discard by a good enhancement.
Well, instead of "event", I think it'd make much better to call it "Territory," as it's played in territory.  Since this is a specific type of card, we should also add "Class" to that, so people understand how it works.
Well, they did say "somewhere" not necessarily territory.

-C_S
yup anywhere where like Forts in set aside,LOR, etc....
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: cookie monster on April 17, 2011, 05:49:47 PM
how bout a new type of card, an "event" card could be like placed somewhere( during like prep, without needing like anything ) just waiting to be active, like example :

Fall of Babylon
Event card
Place of A Fortress or Revelations Site. When that Card is Removed from play instead
Quote
Move it to holders territory for remainder of game regardless of protection. That fortress may hold 1 demon to protect all demons in play from discard by a good enhancement.
Well, instead of "event", I think it'd make much better to call it "Territory," as it's played in territory.  Since this is a specific type of card, we should also add "Class" to that, so people understand how it works.

Well, they did say "somewhere" not necessarily territory.

-C_S

there already is a territory "class card"
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on April 17, 2011, 09:51:37 PM
how bout a new type of card, an "event" card could be like placed somewhere( during like prep, without needing like anything ) just waiting to be active, like example :

Fall of Babylon
Event card
Place of A Fortress or Revelations Site. When that Card is Removed from play instead
Quote
Move it to holders territory for remainder of game regardless of protection. That fortress may hold 1 demon to protect all demons in play from discard by a good enhancement.
Well, instead of "event", I think it'd make much better to call it "Territory," as it's played in territory.  Since this is a specific type of card, we should also add "Class" to that, so people understand how it works.

Well, they did say "somewhere" not necessarily territory.

-C_S

there already is a territory "class card"

Hence why I mentioned that the original post did not specify to place the card in territory, thus, it's not a territory class enhancement.  It is a Biblical "event" that occurred.

-C_S
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: SomeKittens on April 17, 2011, 10:53:41 PM
That would be my point.  Where's the need for this new card?
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 19, 2011, 09:35:32 PM
That would be Better as just an enhancement. And besides, I say that if people have so many problems w/ Doms that maybe people should start suggesting some Anti-Dom cards.

I wouldn't mind some more anti-Fort cards. I think that it would be more fun if there were some stuff that would make more Dom's useless. Same w/ Forts and Sites. But the Seals, and Trumps really do need to be reprinted and made better. Same thing with a lot of angels from Revelation as well.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: cookie monster on April 19, 2011, 09:38:27 PM
That would be Better as just an enhancement. And besides, I say that if people have so many problems w/ Doms that maybe people should start suggesting some Anti-Dom cards.

I wouldn't mind some more anti-Fort cards. I think that it would be more fun if there were some stuff that would make more Dom's useless. Same w/ Forts and Sites. But the Seals, and Trumps really do need to be reprinted and made better. Same thing with a lot of angels from Revelation as well.

Good point.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 19, 2011, 09:46:25 PM
I agree. We don't need a new card type. Just make it a Territory Class Enhancement.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 19, 2011, 09:47:24 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: cookie monster on April 20, 2011, 02:24:51 PM
I thought of an EC for this set.

"a thousand years"

set all demons aside untell all decks are out of cards. cannot be negated.

Revelations 20:2
And he siezed the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and satan, and bound him for a thousand years.


follow this link for the picture I think would fit this card:http://www.renderdreams.com/Media/revelation.jpg
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 20, 2011, 03:21:40 PM
Would need a better name and most likely wouldn't be an EC. But other than that I like it! Maybe make it an enhancement.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: cookie monster on April 20, 2011, 03:30:37 PM
sorry, I meant enhancment. :doh:
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 21, 2011, 12:09:58 PM
Oh, then it works quite well.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: cookie monster on April 21, 2011, 01:19:45 PM
Another card idea:

defeat of satan

if played after "A thousand years" remove all demons in all set aside areas, all discard piles, all decks, all teretories, and in the battle, from the game. cennot be negated.

Revelations 20:9
And they up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded th camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them.

follow this link for picture I think would fit this card:http://www.renderdreams.com/Media/revelation.jpg
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 21, 2011, 03:06:30 PM
Okay, but is the verse talking on Demons? Plus what would the card be?
Also check out my card ideas I just posted.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: cookie monster on April 21, 2011, 03:23:06 PM
It would be a good dom. and the yes it is taking n demons but also n the four corners of the earth, gog and magog. i don't realy know what gog and magog mean but that is mentioned in revelations 20:7-8.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 21, 2011, 03:31:47 PM
I do like the picture as well.
I've heard that it represents Russia and another Country.. I forget what the other one is.
Although I'd just put it as a Silver Good Enhancement and put it as 'Remove A Thousand Years from the Game to Remove all Demons in play, Discard Pile and in Set-Aside Area.' but then put something on it that it only works if a Human is in Battle as well.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: SomeKittens on April 21, 2011, 08:34:17 PM
That puts the hurt on an already hurting (but fun!) brigade.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 21, 2011, 08:59:45 PM
Yea, but Angels can't defend wonderfully against Demons. They only have Victory, Defeating the Enemy, Hammer of Heaven and something else. (I can't remember it at the moment.) So Silver does need some good Anti-Demon Cards.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: SomeKittens on April 22, 2011, 12:32:34 AM
Actually, angels can't defend at all.

I was talking about demons in my post.  They're not bad, but not very good either.  They also have the distinction of being banned in MN.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 22, 2011, 11:04:24 AM
That's what I mean't I mean that the only Brigade that doesn't have a total beatdown on Demons is Silver. I suggest that there are some more cards that bring some more bite to them now.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: SomeKittens on April 22, 2011, 05:19:38 PM
Silver won't ever be a viable brigade.  Given that it's supposed to be a "support brigade," Angels will be limited to T2, and maybe T1 splash.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 22, 2011, 09:01:42 PM
*sigh* I've gone through the arguement before. If they wanted it to be a support Brigade then they shouldn't have made a brigade for themselves. Plus, there are a lot of cards that only work w/ angels. Just because people don't believe that Angels are worth playing doesnt mean that they shouldn't. Its the same w/ Demons.

Angels are a viable option, and anyone who doesn't believe so has to explain why they made a Brigade for them alone, and it's the same with Demons.
Angels should be able to compete on their own as well as work w/ Humans. Read Revelation for support that they do preach the gospel.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 22, 2011, 10:50:10 PM
*sigh* I've gone through the argument before. They've said that they wanted it to be a support brigade. They wanted a brigade that works with a bunch of other brigades (hence why Seraphim, Seraphim, Cherubim, Angel in the Path, and the others were created).

Angels aren't viable alone, and they shouldn't be because angels do NOT bring non-Christians any closer to God. That's our job, not theirs. Read the Bible for support that they don't.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 22, 2011, 11:10:13 PM
Revelation says otherwise.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: SomeKittens on April 22, 2011, 11:10:32 PM
Well, they do a whole lot of battling evil overall.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 23, 2011, 12:31:03 AM
Revelation says nothing about angels presenting humans with the good news. Because they don't.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: cookie monster on April 23, 2011, 12:16:15 PM
All throughout the bible angels have appered to people and have pionted them to the faith, read luke 2:2-16, the angels pointed them to see what would make them believe, and they believed the angels. but they have not actually save the humans they appear to. they have also helped poeple stay in the faith.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 23, 2011, 12:31:15 PM
All throughout the bible angels have appeared to people and have pointed them to the faith, read luke 2:2-16, the angels pointed them to see what would make them believe, and they believed the angels.
1. Yeah, they proclaimed good news that Jesus was born, and they said he would be the Savior, but these people probably already believed the promise that a Savior was coming, the angels just said that the promise was here.
2. This was not evangelism. Evangelism is pointing people to Christ's death, which hadn't happened yet.
They have also helped people stay in the faith.
Source?

In addition, if you can find somewhere in the Bible where the angels have preached the gospel (which you won't, because it's not there...) it will have been such a rare occurrence that it won't matter.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: cookie monster on April 23, 2011, 10:14:56 PM
All throughout the bible angels have appeared to people and have pointed them to the faith, read luke 2:2-16, the angels pointed them to see what would make them believe, and they believed the angels.
1. Yeah, they proclaimed good news that Jesus was born, and they said he would be the Savior, but these people probably already believed the promise that a Savior was coming, the angels just said that the promise was here.
2. This was not evangelism. Evangelism is pointing people to Christ's death, which hadn't happened yet.
They have also helped people stay in the faith.
Source?

In addition, if you can find somewhere in the Bible where the angels have preached the gospel (which you won't, because it's not there...) it will have been such a rare occurrence that it won't matter.

If preaching the good news is telling about the death of Christ then what did Jesus preach about all thourout the
new testament?

and a source of that action is in Isaiah 6:7, and there are many more in the Bible to. that one just comes to my mind right now. 

God bless you :)
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: SomeKittens on April 23, 2011, 11:55:40 PM
Jesus predicted his own death.
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Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 24, 2011, 01:12:26 AM
If preaching the good news is telling about the death of Christ then what did Jesus preach about all thourout the
new testament?
Jesus predicted his own death.
Not only predicted but also preached about salvation through His death. John also did this by proclaiming "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."

and a source of that action is in Isaiah 6:7, and there are many more in the Bible to. that one just comes to my mind right now.
I fail to see how that is "helping someone stay in the faith." Isaiah was a prophet, he wasn't in any danger of leaving the faith.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: The M on April 24, 2011, 10:54:17 AM
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If preaching the good news is telling about the death of Christ then what did Jesus preach about all thourout the
new testament?
Preaching about the death of Christ isn't the only good news
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Post by: cookie monster on April 24, 2011, 07:45:04 PM
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If preaching the good news is telling about the death of Christ then what did Jesus preach about all thourout the
new testament?
Preaching about the death of Christ isn't the only good news
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how did you make that spoiler thing? Its kinda cool. :)
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 24, 2011, 09:21:08 PM
[ spoiler ] insert what you want written here [ / spoiler ]

Remove spaces. You can also hit spoiler button, which should be right above the  :angel: face.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 25, 2011, 11:12:12 AM
*sigh* Read Revelation: There's an angel that is sent out to preach the good news to the world.
Plus I would say that Joseph would'nt of believed that the baby in Mary's womb was the Son of God unless he was told by the angel. And The Shepards wouldn't have believed some guy that walked up to them and told them. It's the same throughout the Bible, Angel means Messenger, if that is true then they could rescue people as well.

It's not God's preference but if he had to, like with Joseph, Mary, and more, he will use Angels, because a man that would have said that would have been looked at as a madman or being possessed by a demon.

And if Angels were mean't to be a supporting Brigade, then why are they able to rescue Lost Souls? Cactus could have easily put a note down that said: Angels cannot rescue Lost Souls. And that would be the end of it.

The other point is that then why can OT Heroes rescue Lost Souls beyond the prophets? They could not have told people of the good news! They didn't even know it much more than what the prophets said! And they didn't try to tell others about the good news ether!
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 25, 2011, 01:13:54 PM
*sigh* Read Revelation: There's an angel that is sent out to preach the good news to the world.
Plus I would say that Joseph would'nt of believed that the baby in Mary's womb was the Son of God unless he was told by the angel. And The Shepards wouldn't have believed some guy that walked up to them and told them. It's the same throughout the Bible, Angel means Messenger, if that is true then they could rescue people as well.

It's not God's preference but if he had to, like with Joseph, Mary, and more, he will use Angels, because a man that would have said that would have been looked at as a madman or being possessed by a demon.

And if Angels were mean't to be a supporting Brigade, then why are they able to rescue Lost Souls? Cactus could have easily put a note down that said: Angels cannot rescue Lost Souls. And that would be the end of it.

The other point is that then why can OT Heroes rescue Lost Souls beyond the prophets? They could not have told people of the good news! They didn't even know it much more than what the prophets said! And they didn't try to tell others about the good news ether!
I'm not going to reread an entire book (I have read it a number of times). Citing your sources would make me looking it up much easier, since I don't have a clue where to start.

Speculation. We don't know their situation, so we cannot determine whether they would have believed with or without an angel. Personally, I like to think that God chose them because they were faithful, and didn't want them to miss out.

First off, Angel is a human term. Angels do a LOT more than just bring messages. Angel means messenger, yes, but not messenger of the Gospel. We see angels delivering messages from the Lord (Genesis 16:11-12 for example), but never do we see one proclaim the Gospel.

Yeah, Cactus shouldn't have let them rescue souls IMO. It did save Redemption though, and for that I am grateful. It's kind of hard to undo how unhelpful to other brigades some are though (TSA...) but in general, an angel deck shouldn't win without another offense, so I'm content.

New Testament versus Old Testament. Faith in God is the key in both. The Old Testament people would still tell others about God, in order that they might receive the promise of grace which God gives because of Jesus' sacrifice. It's the same thing, really, we just go about it in a different way now than before.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on April 25, 2011, 06:51:21 PM
Well, Lot was saved because he protected some of God's "Messengers."  One could argue that Lot's faith was renewed through the angels...

Then those same angels decimated Sodom and Gomorrah...  If there should be more fortress destruction, I'd say Angels are quite helpful in eliminating strongholds; JMO.  Same as demonic activity can ruin churches if no one stands up and takes care of it Biblically.  Again, JMO.

Tiddly Winks,

-C_S
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 25, 2011, 06:58:22 PM
The angels were sent to get Lot out of there because he was faithful. Not the other way around.

I like the idea of Angels negating and discarding sites...especially red ones... ...
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: cookie monster on April 26, 2011, 02:38:45 PM
If there is a brigade that destroys sites and fortresses, then silver would work. ;D
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Kordel Lentine on April 26, 2011, 10:37:09 PM
I have to admit that I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other on this one.  I've really enjoyed reading your posts though.  I have found both sides very thought-provoking.

After one of my sons read this thread he pointed out that he won 2 tournaments with an all-angels deck, and would like to see more.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: SomeKittens on April 26, 2011, 11:00:01 PM
If there is a brigade that destroys sites and fortresses, then silver would work. ;D
See, the thing is, Angels are renowned for doing battle.  When I think angel, I don't think some plump baby.  I think 9-foot-tall massive winged Angel!  I like that they're a FBTN brigade, and fight with their muscle.  I think that for a support brigade, they're pretty puny.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 26, 2011, 11:11:18 PM
If there is a brigade that destroys sites and fortresses, then silver would work. ;D
See, the thing is, Angels are renowned for doing battle.  When I think angel, I don't think some plump baby.  I think 9-foot-tall massive winged Angel!  I like that they're a FBTN brigade, and fight with their muscle.  I think that for a support brigade, they're pretty puny.
Funny that the worst two brigades fit your description (Red and Silver). If Redemption was about slaughtering the enemy, they should definitely be the best.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: SomeKittens on April 26, 2011, 11:13:01 PM
Now that Disciples is out, the Battle phase is back.  I agree, it's ironic that the worst people at battling are the warriors.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Kordel Lentine on April 26, 2011, 11:18:30 PM
Revelation Expansion card idea:  Re-do the John promo to combine the SA on the local promo with the Bible verse that I originally suggested when I came up with the idea.  I was happy that the card made it into the game, but I always wished the orginal verse stayed with it since it matched the SA (search any deck but don't shuffle) so well.  Of course, promos don't have verses so it was left off, but I think Revelation 1:1 went real well with the card:  "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John" (KJV).  I think it'd be great to tweak John's numbers and re-release him as a non-promo so it could include this verse.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 26, 2011, 11:23:03 PM
The starter deck one is good enough, IMO.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 27, 2011, 08:55:29 AM
I think a Revalation booster set would be awesome! I've have stinkloads of good ideas but none of them have come from Revalation.
-Seriously, they need a "double Warrior class" Character-
I'm going to re-read Revalation and keep an eye out for good ideas :laugh:

By the way, I'm the one who Kordel Lentine was referring to, the one who won a couple of tournaments with not just an all-Angel deck, but an all-Angel all-Demon deck ;)
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 27, 2011, 01:08:59 PM
I got an interesting idea, notice there are seven angels for the seven churches and 8 good brigades. Each angel should have two brigade colors, 1 being the obvious silver and the other one being one of the other good brigades. Helping the supportive side as well as the stand alone ability of angels. :angel:
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 27, 2011, 02:06:54 PM
As awesome as that would be (minus helping angel stand alone), it wouldn't make sense to have a Silver/Teal hero...
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 27, 2011, 02:24:49 PM
True, how true...
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 27, 2011, 07:18:15 PM
I don't remember the specific passage, but I've been reading through Revelation and I will eventually find it again, and once I do I'll let u know.

No, it isn't specualtion. Here's why: At that point in time, after over about 500 years of silence from God, If he suddenly sent some normal person to tell Mary she was going to have a baby or to Joseph they would most likely say that he's crazy or worse, that he was possessed. The only possible way for them to believe was for a supernatural event to happen for them, like an angel telling them, it's the exact same story with the shepards.
It's very unlikely they would have believed a guy that walked up to them and said 'The son of God was born in that cave there.' The Shepards would have thought the guy was insane.

If that us true that Angels do not proclaim the gospel, Where does God say that they are not allowed to? And why then did he use angels to tell the shepards the good news, The women at the tomb and more? It is obvious that they did not believe that Jesus was going to be raised from the dead.

My reason for saying this is that nearly all people from the Old Testament did not spread the gospel, for that matter, most of them probably didn't even understand what Isaiah meant when he said what he did about Jesus. And to say that it's basically a belief in God then that is what the angels proclaim as well, like when the angel appeared to Balaam.

That's what I have to say on this.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 27, 2011, 10:22:14 PM
New Idea: using the verse in revalation
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Revalation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be the glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen
I thought this could have the ability set a NT hero aside for one? turn hero returns with the added teal or pruple brigade.

-just a thought-
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: SomeKittens on April 27, 2011, 11:00:00 PM
That'll go over about as well as my argument that Disciples were Royalty.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 27, 2011, 11:16:38 PM
How excactly did that go?
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 28, 2011, 12:50:27 AM
No, it isn't specualtion. Here's why: At that point in time, after over about 500 years of silence from God, If he suddenly sent some normal person to tell Mary she was going to have a baby or to Joseph they would most likely say that he's crazy or worse, that he was possessed. The only possible way for them to believe was for a supernatural event to happen for them, like an angel telling them, it's the exact same story with the shepards.
You're right, but for the wrong reasons. Because there was 500 years of silence, no prophet (human messenger of God) could be sent to tell them, so God used an angel. Had a prophet told them, I'd bet they'd believe, but no prophet could because the silence was not yet done.
It's very unlikely they would have believed a guy that walked up to them and said 'The son of God was born in that cave there.' The Shepards would have thought the guy was insane.
Same reasoning. Personally, if I lived during that time, and any "normal" person would do that, I would think they're insane. If they were a prophet or Godly person, I wouldn't.

If that us true that Angels do not proclaim the gospel, Where does God say that they are not allowed to? And why then did he use angels to tell the shepards the good news, The women at the tomb and more? It is obvious that they did not believe that Jesus was going to be raised from the dead.
I can't find a passage saying that they do not, but we have been given no example of them doing any such thing. The shepherds bit has been covered, and the women at the tomb were already believers. Just because they didn't believe he was going to doesn't mean they didn't believe.

My reason for saying this is that nearly all people from the Old Testament did not spread the gospel, for that matter, most of them probably didn't even understand what Isaiah meant when he said what he did about Jesus. And to say that it's basically a belief in God then that is what the angels proclaim as well, like when the angel appeared to Balaam.
Faith in God, not spreading of the gospel, and the angel did NOT proclaim that to Balaam. He came to Balaam to kill him.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on April 28, 2011, 01:02:52 AM
Just out of curiosity, even though I'm sure it's been mentioned before... while on the topic of angels, may I ask, "Why is there a female angel?"  I'd like to read/know the reasoning and backing behind such a card.

-C_S
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 28, 2011, 01:14:57 AM
I have made ideas like that already, just check all my card ideas that I've posted.

The reason why their's a Female angel is because the set that it came from was based of the Angel Wars tv show that had 2 female angels. That's why.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on April 28, 2011, 01:31:36 AM
I have made ideas like that already, just check all my card ideas that I've posted.

The reason why their's a Female angel is because the set that it came from was based of the Angel Wars tv show that had 2 female angels. That's why.

Still, I'd like to know "why" she was printed in Redemption.  It just piques my curiosity.

-C_S
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 28, 2011, 01:53:03 AM
No, it isn't specualtion. Here's why: At that point in time, after over about 500 years of silence from God, If he suddenly sent some normal person to tell Mary she was going to have a baby or to Joseph they would most likely say that he's crazy or worse, that he was possessed. The only possible way for them to believe was for a supernatural event to happen for them, like an angel telling them, it's the exact same story with the shepards.
You're right, but for the wrong reasons. Because there was 500 years of silence, no prophet (human messenger of God) could be sent to tell them, so God used an angel. Had a prophet told them, I'd bet they'd believe, but no prophet could because the silence was not yet done.
It's very unlikely they would have believed a guy that walked up to them and said 'The son of God was born in that cave there.' The Shepards would have thought the guy was insane.
Same reasoning. Personally, if I lived during that time, and any "normal" person would do that, I would think they're insane. If they were a prophet or Godly person, I wouldn't.

If that us true that Angels do not proclaim the gospel, Where does God say that they are not allowed to? And why then did he use angels to tell the shepards the good news, The women at the tomb and more? It is obvious that they did not believe that Jesus was going to be raised from the dead.
I can't find a passage saying that they do not, but we have been given no example of them doing any such thing. The shepherds bit has been covered, and the women at the tomb were already believers. Just because they didn't believe he was going to doesn't mean they didn't believe.

My reason for saying this is that nearly all people from the Old Testament did not spread the gospel, for that matter, most of them probably didn't even understand what Isaiah meant when he said what he did about Jesus. And to say that it's basically a belief in God then that is what the angels proclaim as well, like when the angel appeared to Balaam.
Faith in God, not spreading of the gospel, and the angel did NOT proclaim that to Balaam. He came to Balaam to kill him.

One major problem that u are neglecting is that these people are currently dealing with plenty of false prophets. Plus most people would question someone who claimed to be a prophet that suddenly appeared and said that some girl is going to have the Son of God. I mean Joseph didn't even believe her, so how many people would believe a guy that claimed to be from God? Most people wouldn't because God has been silent for so long, most people would deny that the person was a prophet at all. Don't forget: 'A prophet is never accepted in his hometown'

That's my point: There is no restriction that says that they can't. And next up, The shepherds were most likely not expecting the Son of God to come in their lifetime, and if he did, they probably wouldn't care, because they assumed that it wouldn't affect them. They may as well of been Lost Souls that were converted to our belief by angels.
Second, The Women at the tomb did not believe that he would be resurrected, and w/o the resurrection, our faith is useless because God didn't defeat Death. They did not believe that he could live again. They were as good as lost, until the angel revealed to them that he was alive again.

No it didn't, The Angel was there to block Balaam from fulfilling his mission. Faith in God is taught by everyone, Human and Angel. But you have to heed Jesus' warning, 'Even the Demons believe in God.'
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Kordel Lentine on April 28, 2011, 07:48:27 AM
The starter deck one is good enough, IMO.

I agree to some extent.  In fact, one of my current decks uses the H-deck John instead of the promo version, since that deck is better served by getting rid of EC abilities.  That said, I never thought John was strong enough--ESPECIALLY after all the new disciples came out.  He is, after all, one of The Big Three, and wrote more NT books than anyone else except Paul.  And I know many people don't even look at the verses, but I thought Rev. 1:1 was perfect for him even before the promo was printed. 

I think a good reprint for John that would go well in a Revelation theme would be to re-do the promo but NOT as a promo so it has Rev. 1:1 as its verse, and then COMBINE both the promo and the H-deck SAs.  It would give John the power he deserves, and would fit very well with what the Bible says about him.
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Aelec Enitnel on April 28, 2011, 10:01:35 AM
New Idea: using the verse in revalation
Quote
Revalation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be the glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen
I thought this could have the ability set a NT hero aside for one? turn hero returns with the added teal or pruple brigade.

-just a thought-

I like this idea because it would be the only way to make a female Priest.
Which otherwise doesn't work...
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Bryon on April 28, 2011, 10:10:32 AM
Just out of curiosity, even though I'm sure it's been mentioned before... while on the topic of angels, may I ask, "Why is there a female angel?"  I'd like to read/know the reasoning and backing behind such a card.

-C_S
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Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on April 28, 2011, 12:06:32 PM
Just out of curiosity, even though I'm sure it's been mentioned before... while on the topic of angels, may I ask, "Why is there a female angel?"  I'd like to read/know the reasoning and backing behind such a card.

-C_S
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Thank you :) It's going to spark an interesting conversation with my pastor

-C_S
Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 28, 2011, 01:51:51 PM
One major problem that u are neglecting is that these people are currently dealing with plenty of false prophets. Plus most people would question someone who claimed to be a prophet that suddenly appeared and said that some girl is going to have the Son of God. I mean Joseph didn't even believe her, so how many people would believe a guy that claimed to be from God? Most people wouldn't because God has been silent for so long, most people would deny that the person was a prophet at all. Don't forget: 'A prophet is never accepted in his hometown'
God was silent for a reason, and He wasn't going to break it when there were other ways. Had God not been silent, I bet He would have sent a prophet, but again, speculation.
Joseph didn't believe her? Source?
Regardless, the angel did not proclaim a message of salvation to them. It just told Mary that she was going to be the one to have the Messiah.


That's my point: There is no restriction that says that they can't. And next up, The shepherds were most likely not expecting the Son of God to come in their lifetime, and if he did, they probably wouldn't care, because they assumed that it wouldn't affect them. They may as well of been Lost Souls that were converted to our belief by angels.
*Insert a bunch of ridiculous examples of things we aren't restricted of doing* Bad argument. "You didn't say I COULDN'T do this, so I guess I can!" Yeah, try that one on your parents sometime. We have been given no demonstration of them ever doing it, and there is no promise that they ever will do it, and God has specifically said it's our job, even though He uses His creation as well. Humans can do it far more effectively than angels.
As for the shepherds, speculation again. I'm pretty sure all Jewish people thought that the Messiah was going to affect them though. If you're going to do that, practically EVERYBODY would be an evil character during that time and before that time.

Second, The Women at the tomb did not believe that he would be resurrected, and w/o the resurrection, our faith is useless because God didn't defeat Death. They did not believe that he could live again. They were as good as lost, until the angel revealed to them that he was alive again.
The resurrection hadn't happened yet. Again, if you're going to do that, practically everybody would be an evil character.

No it didn't, The Angel was there to block Balaam from fulfilling his mission. Faith in God is taught by everyone, Human and Angel. But you have to heed Jesus' warning, 'Even the Demons believe in God.'
Um, read Numbers 22. He basically says (this is paraphrase from memory) "I came here to kill you and your donkey saved your life. Don't hurt him." So it wasn't there to block him, it was there to kill him. It gave him a warning.
And when did I say belief in God was what was necessary? Faith, not belief. Huge difference.

Title: Re: Revelations Expansion/Theme
Post by: megamanlan on April 28, 2011, 05:51:10 PM
Yes, God was silent for a reason, and during that time many false prophets had come and gone. The people of Israel would have assumed that any prophet that came would be a false prophet, no one sent from God. You have to take it from a human perspective. If the last 500 or so years you've had false prophets and then suddenly a guy says that he has a message from God saying that you're wife-to-be is going to have a kid when no one has slept with her, would sound totally absurd.
As for the reference to Joseph, why would he put her away secretly unless she told him? That wouldn't make sense. And there would be no point in putting her away secretly if she looked pregnant. That makes even less sense.
The only way that I understand that sentence is if u say that the virgin birth has nothing to do with the message of Salvation which is very wrong. Because the only way that he could have no sin is by having no true earthly father. Because sin was passed from the fathers. So because Jesus had no true Earthly father, (Joseph was more like an adopted father to him) the sin was not passed from the previous generation. Therefore he could truely be sinless.

If there was never someone or something that says that u shouldn't or couldn't do this, then u are not restricted from doing it. God never gave permission for us to make a card game based of the Bible yet we did. My point is there never is a scripture that says: "Angels can not proclaim the gospel" or that "Angels were never mean't to proclaim the gospel." Everything proclaims God and his glory, we choose to ignore it, which is what Romans 1:20-25 is saying. Also, people are often times much more convinced by a supernatural event then a guy that walks up to them and asks them if they want to be saved. In case u don't know, Men on their own will never be able to save a Lost Soul, only God can do that and he can do that though whoever he chooses. Weather it's a human or an angel. The point of Mary and Joseph is this: Joseph didn't believe Mary when she told him, but when an Angel told him, it finally clicked.
Once again, you are not thinking about what they would think back then. More people seemed surprised that the Son of God was finally born, only a couple had properly expected it. And without any late prophets that they could truly trust, Angels would be the best choice to choose for this type of mission.

Once again, that is false, You are not understanding what they just went through. At that point, they did not believe that he was going to be raised from the dead. Many people (including his disciples) believed that he was gone, completely dead. They had come to put spices on the body so that the ritual would have been completed. They would not be Evil Characters because they were not claiming that he wasn't the Christ, or preaching false Doctrine or another religion. When the women told Peter and John that he was gone, they assumed that his body was stolen, not that he was alive again, which is why most of the mourners that were mourning his death would have not believed that he was risen unless it was revealed to them but unnatural means, like an Angel tell them that he is risen or Jesus apearing to them.

I just read Numbers 22, and yes he said he would have killed him. What it sounds like here is that the Angel was going to block Balaam from passing even if it mean't killing him, the only reason why he did not was because the donkey told him that he was wrong.
The words are interchangeable. Paul says 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ any you will be saved.' That's a belief on God, and Paul uses faith as a word with a very similar, if not the same, meaning.
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