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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => New Card Ideas => Topic started by: disciple_drew on March 18, 2010, 11:26:08 PM
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Is there a way where Redemption can print up “Gospel Tracts” on Redemption cards. Something that we can sow as a seed to people. For example I play at secular hobby shops to be a light & witness to unsaved people. A lot of them play Occultic games like MTG, D&D, YuGiOh, and so on. It would be great to sow a “Redemption” gospel tract to them. Or something to leave around at those stores, where someone could pick it up and be convicted by the message and maybe fellowship with the Christian that sowed it. Because ultimately that could lead someone to Salvation, praise God.
I was thinking to use the Son of God card because it “speaks”. “Redeem one Lost Soul”. That would really convict someone who’s going through a lot. They need to understand what “Redemption” truly means and how much it’ll eternally bless them if they make the decision to dedicate their live to our Heavenly Father. That it’s more than just a game, it’s a destination. With that said, us as Christians could be the very thing those unsaved folks need. Someone that could guide them to “Redemption”, someone that can fellowship with them and help them come up to a Christian Walk. We’re called to be Ambassadors for Christ right? Well, here is something that’s completely logical and do-able. Cactus already has a fan base and materials to produce something like this. You reap what you sow right? Wouldn’t some of you want larger playgroups but more importantly to expand the Kingdom of God with your future brothers & sisters in the Lord?
Perhaps even have some blank lines at the bottom where we could put our contact info. So both at the same time lead people to Christ but also give them a chance to connect with a Christian. Or even, possibility it can be used to promote tournaments. Kind of like your “Kingdom Card”, not business card because we’re not selling anything but selling out- for God. Perhaps have a John 3:16 verse because it’s so well known across the globe and history. However the box for scripture may need to be left blank so there is space for a small message in the picture then contact info at the bottom where the scripture would go. This way we could walk up to unsaved person and be like: “I thought about you enough today to give this to you. It seems right for you to have this. By the way, God loves you and be blessed.
Benefits:
• can make an opening for us to share the gospel.
• can help us determine the openness of individuals to the gospel
• will be accepted by some people that will not listen.
• can present opportunities to share the gospel that you would not have otherwise.
• can speak to the reader when they are ready (they read it when they choose.
• can succeed in winning a man to Christ where a sermon or a personal conversation has failed.
• can be read in privacy when no one is there to influence them.
• can reach people who are too proud to be talked with.
• can reinforce your personal witness. Even if you can't follow up, the reader can contact the publisher through contact information on the back of the for further help.
• may be the only clear presentation of the Gospel for people who never go to church or read the Bible.
• can be placed where people will pick them up.
• don’t threaten or pressure people.
• are never intimidated.
• it doesn’t compromise or if we are too timid to speak.
• always stick to the point.
• plainly present the gospel message and without an argument.
• never get tired, discouraged or give up.
Example gospel tracts:
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi27.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc186%2Fice_man_gt%2FRandom%2520Pics%2FGospelTracts.jpg&hash=239e60ad437b3a1a46b8954e1e8f3baa7cca8812)
Just imagine a Redemption Card instead.
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I think you are the best track. I'm sure those are fine, and way better than the "More harm than good Ministries" ones I've seen! But, our relationships with people have a larger effect than we realize. Far more than getting the right literature to them. This I firmly believe. That said, they are fine tools and anything Cactus would produce to this end would have their coolness all over it.
PS You write far more than I can read...
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I think you are the best track. I'm sure those are fine, and way better than the "More harm than good Ministries" ones I've seen! But, our relationships with people have a larger effect than we realize. Far more than getting the right literature to them. This I firmly believe. That said, they are fine tools and anything Cactus would produce to this end would have their coolness all over it.
I agree completely, Not that I am opposed to tracts but MANY of them do ALOT more harm than good (See the money tracts) so I don't use them myself, I rather have people wonder why I'm happy when others aren't, etc.
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I think you are the best track. I'm sure those are fine, and way better than the "More harm than good Ministries" ones I've seen! But, our relationships with people have a larger effect than we realize. Far more than getting the right literature to them. This I firmly believe. That said, they are fine tools and anything Cactus would produce to this end would have their coolness all over it.
I agree completely, Not that I am opposed to tracts but MANY of them do ALOT more harm than good (See the money tracts) so I don't use them myself, I rather have people wonder why I'm happy when others aren't, etc.
Oh, I think the money ones are cute, it's the "Everyone is going to hell but us, and everything is evil but what we like ministries" ones that I mean.
Yikes
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The money ones are the worst offenders. What about getting peoples' hopes up and then saying "oops, it's propaganda not money!" screams "enticing" to you?
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those tracts he put up are wierd ones.(give me one of the gospel hours little booklets. they get the it done) my idea is put the card in with a tract.
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Call me a n00b, but what is a tract?
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It (used) to be the romans road in tiny book form, nowadays its anything that can spread the gospel.
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BB, it's propraganda with Jesus slapped on the front.
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It's funny how most of you want to bash the idea like it's an insult. When the intention is to share a message with someone and at the same time expose them to redemption.
I'm not saying have a booklet, but an actual redemption card with a message printed on it. Then perhaps some blank lines for someone to write some contact info in case they'd like to get in touch with you.
I don't know about you guys but perhaps you already have large play groups or have circles of people who're already christian or have a relationship with. That's not the case with me in the state that I'm in. It's a melting pot with different cultures and faiths (even though the others aren't real). So I don't have "relationships" with these people yet. I tend to go from hobby shop to hobby shop to witness to them and expose redemption to them so they don't have to play games that support the Occult. Get the idea? It would be a great help if there was a tool like this to help evangelize the towns neighboring where I live.
Yes, I believe we're the best source to make an impact on these people. But if you're the only person whose Christian with no other support or no other resources... it wouldn't be so easy for you to state such blind opinions. Understand? Besides, those images are just examples they don't have to be as lame as them. It was meant to give you a picture or an idea of what it could look like, just cooler because it should be a redemption card.
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It (used) to be the romans road in tiny book form, nowadays its anything that can spread the gospel.
BB, it's propraganda with Jesus slapped on the front.
This explains it pretty well, thanks.
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One bad track doesn't mean they are bad.
A business used a slave; should we not have business?
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I wonder if anyone ACTUALLY converted to Christianity because they picked up a tract.
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A business used a slave; should we not have business?
No, but we should burn the CEO's.
Actually, we should do that anyway.
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I wonder if anyone ACTUALLY converted to Christianity because they picked up a tract.
probly depends if they got one of those he showed if the person in question got a gospel hour booklet they had a better chance than those lameo things.
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Slavery isn't immoral. Bad example.
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Slavery isn't immoral. Bad example.
You get the point. ;)
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One bad track doesn't mean they are bad.
A business used a slave; should we not have business?
Not touching the question. It IS true one bad track doesn't make them all bad, just the ways I've seen it presented didn't work for me at ALL, EG money tracts, Finding God through the gothic church tract.
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Slavery isn't immoral.
I think that perhaps you were confused here. Slavery (at least in the sense that it happened in America) was definitely immoral. People are children of God, not property.
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It's hard for the Bible to take an objective stance on something that didn't exist when it was written. Slavery in Biblical times wasn't based on racism, and the Bible does not comdemn it.
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Perhaps a better word would be....servanthood.
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Bondservanthood isn't immoral. Penal slavery isn't immoral. Chattel slavery is immoral.
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I wonder if anyone ACTUALLY converted to Christianity because they picked up a tract.
My brother did, seriously. Eventually, you have to talk to a person, but that's what giot the ball rolling. So, I'm not opposed to them
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I have no problems with tracts by themselves, what I have a problem with is the following:
a) Leaving them in any place you feel like. Littering is wrong, and leaving a tract on the ground is more than likely going to make a person who picks it up think Christians are more disrespectful than interested in witnessing. Also, leaving them lying on random tables is a good way to earn the ire of store managers, who may not let you back if you try that.
b) Cartoonish tracts. If you want someone to take something seriously, make it serious.
c) Tracts with anything to do with hell or eternal punishment on the front. There's a difference between telling the truth and scaring people to Jesus. And even if scaring people to Jesus was a good tactic, most non-Christians either laugh at or get really annoyed by things with a primary focus of hell. I once saw a tract that said that if you don't follow Jesus, you'll i love you, where it is "thousands of degrees hot!!" Yikes.
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c) Tracts with anything to do with hell or eternal punishment on the front. There's a difference between telling the truth and scaring people to Jesus. And even if scaring people to Jesus was a good tactic, most non-Christians either laugh at or get really annoyed by things with a primary focus of hell. I once saw a tract that said that if you don't follow Jesus, you'll i love you, where it is "thousands of degrees hot!!" Yikes.
You my good sir do not know that if you DON'T use that kind of tract you won't win any souls.
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c) Tracts with anything to do with hell or eternal punishment on the front. There's a difference between telling the truth and scaring people to Jesus. And even if scaring people to Jesus was a good tactic, most non-Christians either laugh at or get really annoyed by things with a primary focus of hell. I once saw a tract that said that if you don't follow Jesus, you'll i love you, where it is "thousands of degrees hot!!" Yikes.
You my good sir do not know that if you DON'T use that kind of tract you won't win any souls.
Saying that you'll i love you because you don't believe in Jesus is NOT the way to do it. That's backwards. You should say that you WOULD i love you but Jesus came to free you from hell so that you can have eternal life.
My 1 cent.
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Well if one does not mention hell then they won't see a reason to get saved.
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Well if one does not mention hell then they won't see a reason to get saved.
Mentioning Heaven is just as important as mentioning Hell. Negative reinforcement should be balanced by positive reinforcement.
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Well if one does not mention hell then they won't see a reason to get saved.
Really? Wanting to be in a relationship isn't enough? Showing the separation is needed to show a need to be close, showing hell isn't. If scaring people was enough then we should all hold guns to other's heads and tell them if they don't turn we'll shoot them.
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You can't save someone until they know what they're being saved from. You need to present Sin, and it's consequences, and then show how Chris set us free.
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You can't save someone until they know what they're being saved from. You need to present Sin, and it's consequences, and then show how Chris set us free.
I completely agree. Notice I didn't say that the concept of hell should be absent from the tract, merely that that shouldn't be the focal point of the tract (i.e. not on the front of it). Perhaps 270 years ago during the great awakening, that type of preaching/witnessing was effective. In today's modern world, people generally ignore people/things that make hell their main point.
Personally, I am a Christian because I want to have a relationship with God. The only way I can have a relationship with God is to repent of my sins. The fact that I get to spend eternity with Him in the most awesome of places is better than the fact that I don't have to spend eternity without Him in the most horrible of places.
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Exactly, it drives me nuts how some of them are "Hi, you're gonna burn!"
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... and then show how Chris set us free.
I thought Jesus did that. ;)
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Exactly, it drives me nuts how some of them are "Hi, you're gonna burn!"
Until you understand that the Wrath of God is part of the Love of God, you don't understand what the Love of God means. Sin is a destroyer. You're the Lord's Beloved and so is everyone else on this planet. Sin destroys the Lord's Beloved. That's why God has to destroy sin before it'll destroy them. However on that Great Day, if those people who love sin enough and choose it over God... He'll let them have sin. It's just sin has been condemned, sin has judgement pronouced on it thousands of years ago.
We don't hate the sinners out there, we love them. We just hate the sin. But they need to know what they're being "saved" from.... sin. Jesus is the answer to that. Get the whole point behind this?
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I understand the necessity of it but it doesn't mean it has to be the central point of the track. People respond more (IMO) to the love side of God and explaining that because of sin we can't have that love, rather than "God is going to send you to hell cuz you sinned but I have fire insurance"
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I'm not sure that enough Christians understand the power of love (as least not as much as Huey Lewis). Some assume that love is not as good of a motivator as fear is, although I think the Bible says otherwise:
But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12: 20,21
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Ok, Drew. I'll toss you a bone and say maybe God loves the whole world and everyone in it (I don't believe that's necessarily true, but for the sake of argument). What do you gain from posting Hell as the main draw of your tract as opposed to say, forgiveness of sin?
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Ok, Drew. I'll toss you a bone and say maybe God loves the whole world and everyone in it (I don't believe that's necessarily true, but for the sake of argument). What do you gain from posting Hell as the main draw of your tract as opposed to say, forgiveness of sin?
If you read my very 1st post, I didn't insist on promoting fear to get people to accept Jesus. In fact I was suggesting love. I was just addressing sin and such with the above post. Yeah I get the point that it isn't useful to try to "scare" people into Christ but then again people need to know what they're being saved from.
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I personally have no problem with tracts, and I am quite certain people have come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ through them. Just recently I was handed a tract by a young man at Downtown Disney. I think that the boldness for Christ that some people show by even trying to hand them out is admirable. Many Christians never make any effort to reach the lost.
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If you read my very 1st post, I didn't insist on promoting fear to get people to accept Jesus. In fact I was suggesting love. I was just addressing sin and such with the above post. Yeah I get the point that it isn't useful to try to "scare" people into Christ but then again people need to know what they're being saved from.
Then there really is no argument. No one here has suggested glossing over Hell completely on a tract, but most everyone agrees that having the front of your tract say "It's thousands of degrees hot in Hell so accept Christ now!" is probably not going to be effective for saving souls. That was my only point when I brought it up.
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I'm not sure that enough Christians understand the power of love (as least not as much as Huey Lewis). Some assume that love is not as good of a motivator as fear is, although I think the Bible says otherwise:
But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12: 20,21
I agree that Jesus' love is in general a much more effective tool at reaching people, especially if they are humble. I've heard a good few stories about people who have begun on the path to Christ just by hearing, "Jesus loves you." However, do not overfeed, and make sure to get some vegetables in that meal, and not just sugary sweets. In other words, don't just go around drowning people in love, love, love without teaching them the important things they need to become healthy followers of Christ. Sometimes those things will taste bad, but they are just as if not more important than the love. Also, I do not believe that the gospel is always the best way to reach someone. The proud can be much more difficult to deal with. Sometimes you must deliver the law.
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Oh I agree full heartedly, if someone doesn't see they've done wrong they can't be reached unless you show them they have.
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I also agree, and I think that ultimately is where Drew's heart is. There are certain audiences that are more impacted by tracts than others, just like Redemption is a tool that is more effective on some than others. I don't think we should discount whatever methods God chooses to bring unbelievers to Himself.
As long as we are willing and ready to serve, God will use us each according to the grace and gifts He has given. From what I have seen and heard from Drew and his brother, we have a group of young guys on fire for God in Ft. Lauderdale, doing whatever they can to reach the lost. That deserves our support and prayer.
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I also agree, and I think that ultimately is where Drew's heart is. There are certain audiences that are more impacted by tracts than others, just like Redemption is a tool that is more effective on some than others. I don't think we should discount whatever methods God chooses to bring unbelievers to Himself.
As long as we are willing and ready to serve, God will use us each according to the grace and gifts He has given. From what I have seen and heard from Drew and his brother, we have a group of young guys on fire for God in Ft. Lauderdale, doing whatever they can to reach the lost. That deserves our support and prayer.
Amen to that brothua!
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I also agree, and I think that ultimately is where Drew's heart is. There are certain audiences that are more impacted by tracts than others, just like Redemption is a tool that is more effective on some than others. I don't think we should discount whatever methods God chooses to bring unbelievers to Himself.
As long as we are willing and ready to serve, God will use us each according to the grace and gifts He has given. From what I have seen and heard from Drew and his brother, we have a group of young guys on fire for God in Ft. Lauderdale, doing whatever they can to reach the lost. That deserves our support and prayer.
Yes, yes... amen. Not long ago both my brother and I were kicked out of a hobby shop because we were asking to present the game to the hobby shop, play, and post a poster up. Something like a tract could of been a some type of seeds we could of left behind. Our message (which is the Gospel of Christ as well as a CCG to connect with the non-believers there) was rejected there. Not to say it was a failure, they just rejected Christ. It just goes to show how many people out there don't have a heart for God and I'm just seeing if Cactus can make a tool like this available to it's gamers.
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they kicked you out? that's not legal(freespeech) they SHOULD have lestened i bet they wouldn't kick out a guy presenting a new ccg. you should have left a card.
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they kicked you out? that's not legal(freespeech) they SHOULD have lestened i bet they wouldn't kick out a guy presenting a new ccg. you should have left a card.
Free speech is not applicable to private property/businesses. Business owners have every right to allow in and kick out who they please.
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Free speech isn't free :)
Always remember that ;)
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Free speech isn't free :)
Always remember that ;)
I do, I served in Iraq in 2005. So yeah, don't take your rights for granted. American soldiers/marines pay with their blood for them. An American soldier died for your rights and JESUS died for your sins.
Yeah, the hobby shop wouldn't allow us to even play their. Shame is that I know locally, they have more of the youth there. The hobby shop that God has granted us favor with is more of an adult crowd.
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they kicked you out? that's not legal(freespeech) they SHOULD have lestened i bet they wouldn't kick out a guy presenting a new ccg. you should have left a card.
Free speech is not applicable to private property/businesses. Business owners have every right to allow in and kick out who they please.
That's the whole point I've been trying to make... I didn't have a card to leave behind. That's 1 of the things that moved me to post this thread, I didn't have a card to leave as well as what's heart breaking is that hobby shop contains most of the youth in that City. The other hobby shop which God has granted us favor & grace with, contains mostly adults.
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i'm talking about droping a aaron's rod behind. and that should be ileagal they should have heard you out. it is a hobby try again. but stress the hobby part.
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What if you created a web site that explained the game and gave cool examples, then print up that web address on sheets of clear address labels, stick those to regular cards you don't want, and drop those?
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What if you created a web site that explained the game and gave cool examples, then print up that web address on sheets of clear address labels, stick those to regular cards you don't want, and drop those?
Because on a spiritual level everything speaks. Everything is governed by the law of Seed, Time, and Harvest. Remember, you reap what you sow. We've thought of that, but it could send mixed signals. It'll look cheap, dinky, unorganized, tacky, and something done out of desperation.
Having actual printed cards would have much more of an impact and a real message. It'll present itself more uniform and with a purpose.
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And WHY is this in the new Card ideas :scratch:
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Redemption Bible Tract
"Place this card on any street. The first human to pick this card up may band to any NT human hero. If no Lost Soul is rescued in the next two turns, discard this card."
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Redemption Bible Tract
"Place this card on any street. The first human to pick this card up may band to any NT human hero. If no Lost Soul is rescued in the next two turns, discard this card."
this really got me laughing, haha