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This thread is provacative.
Christianity would be nothing without the Greek philosophers.
The Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.
Nice ideas, but most of them really have no reference in the Bible. Also, why would you make the Greek philosophers evil?
QuoteThe Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.
Quote from: BubbleBoy on April 25, 2009, 08:13:42 PMNice ideas, but most of them really have no reference in the Bible. Also, why would you make the Greek philosophers evil? Because they weren't Christians and they taught some untrue philosophies.
Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 26, 2009, 10:27:28 AMQuoteThe Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.The little kid in Sunday school would have probably been taught that they Hebrews believed them to be false gods; however, this view would be incorrect. If the Hebrews viewed Asherah and Baal to not even be real, why would they continue to be unfaithful to YHWH and worship them? It's not until the exile to Babylon (the Zoroastrians were dualists, meaning that there was a god over good and a god over evil) that the Hebrews began to believe that YHWH was sovereign over all. During the Maccabeean period, the Jews were introduced to the Platonic "Form of the Good" and the Aristotelian "unmoved mover", and (as one of my religion major buddies once said), "they said, hey, that sounds like our God!"It's naive to say that Christianity is without outside influence; on the contrary, I once wrote a paper tracing the roots of Christian thought to 500BC.
Quote from: Colin Michael on April 26, 2009, 11:13:36 AMQuote from: Minister Polarius on April 26, 2009, 10:27:28 AMQuoteThe Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.The little kid in Sunday school would have probably been taught that they Hebrews believed them to be false gods; however, this view would be incorrect. If the Hebrews viewed Asherah and Baal to not even be real, why would they continue to be unfaithful to YHWH and worship them? It's not until the exile to Babylon (the Zoroastrians were dualists, meaning that there was a god over good and a god over evil) that the Hebrews began to believe that YHWH was sovereign over all. During the Maccabeean period, the Jews were introduced to the Platonic "Form of the Good" and the Aristotelian "unmoved mover", and (as one of my religion major buddies once said), "they said, hey, that sounds like our God!"It's naive to say that Christianity is without outside influence; on the contrary, I once wrote a paper tracing the roots of Christian thought to 500BC.Christian thought? Are you talking about the Messianic prophecies?
Quote from: Rrulez on April 26, 2009, 11:16:55 AMQuote from: Colin Michael on April 26, 2009, 11:13:36 AMQuote from: Minister Polarius on April 26, 2009, 10:27:28 AMQuoteThe Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.The little kid in Sunday school would have probably been taught that they Hebrews believed them to be false gods; however, this view would be incorrect. If the Hebrews viewed Asherah and Baal to not even be real, why would they continue to be unfaithful to YHWH and worship them? It's not until the exile to Babylon (the Zoroastrians were dualists, meaning that there was a god over good and a god over evil) that the Hebrews began to believe that YHWH was sovereign over all. During the Maccabeean period, the Jews were introduced to the Platonic "Form of the Good" and the Aristotelian "unmoved mover", and (as one of my religion major buddies once said), "they said, hey, that sounds like our God!"It's naive to say that Christianity is without outside influence; on the contrary, I once wrote a paper tracing the roots of Christian thought to 500BC.Christian thought? Are you talking about the Messianic prophecies?No, I actually traced it back to the existentialist literature (i.e. Genesis, Job, Ecclesiastes).
Quote from: Colin Michael on April 26, 2009, 11:19:47 AMQuote from: Rrulez on April 26, 2009, 11:16:55 AMQuote from: Colin Michael on April 26, 2009, 11:13:36 AMQuote from: Minister Polarius on April 26, 2009, 10:27:28 AMQuoteThe Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.The little kid in Sunday school would have probably been taught that they Hebrews believed them to be false gods; however, this view would be incorrect. If the Hebrews viewed Asherah and Baal to not even be real, why would they continue to be unfaithful to YHWH and worship them? It's not until the exile to Babylon (the Zoroastrians were dualists, meaning that there was a god over good and a god over evil) that the Hebrews began to believe that YHWH was sovereign over all. During the Maccabeean period, the Jews were introduced to the Platonic "Form of the Good" and the Aristotelian "unmoved mover", and (as one of my religion major buddies once said), "they said, hey, that sounds like our God!"It's naive to say that Christianity is without outside influence; on the contrary, I once wrote a paper tracing the roots of Christian thought to 500BC.Christian thought? Are you talking about the Messianic prophecies?No, I actually traced it back to the existentialist literature (i.e. Genesis, Job, Ecclesiastes). The belief in Yeshua? That can't be true. Yes, christian princable. Moses looked past the Torah. He obeyed a higher law.
Quote from: Rrulez on April 26, 2009, 11:22:08 AMQuote from: Colin Michael on April 26, 2009, 11:19:47 AMQuote from: Rrulez on April 26, 2009, 11:16:55 AMQuote from: Colin Michael on April 26, 2009, 11:13:36 AMQuote from: Minister Polarius on April 26, 2009, 10:27:28 AMQuoteThe Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.The little kid in Sunday school would have probably been taught that they Hebrews believed them to be false gods; however, this view would be incorrect. If the Hebrews viewed Asherah and Baal to not even be real, why would they continue to be unfaithful to YHWH and worship them? It's not until the exile to Babylon (the Zoroastrians were dualists, meaning that there was a god over good and a god over evil) that the Hebrews began to believe that YHWH was sovereign over all. During the Maccabeean period, the Jews were introduced to the Platonic "Form of the Good" and the Aristotelian "unmoved mover", and (as one of my religion major buddies once said), "they said, hey, that sounds like our God!"It's naive to say that Christianity is without outside influence; on the contrary, I once wrote a paper tracing the roots of Christian thought to 500BC.Christian thought? Are you talking about the Messianic prophecies?No, I actually traced it back to the existentialist literature (i.e. Genesis, Job, Ecclesiastes). The belief in Yeshua? That can't be true. Yes, christian princable. Moses looked past the Torah. He obeyed a higher law.Law is not a part of Christianity. Rather, the law has been suspended for the sake of God's higher purpose: a teleological suspension of the ethical, is what Kierkegaard called it.Basically, we as Christians have a calling to pursue God's goal for us, all else is secondary.
Quote from: Colin Michael on April 26, 2009, 11:32:12 AMQuote from: Rrulez on April 26, 2009, 11:22:08 AMQuote from: Colin Michael on April 26, 2009, 11:19:47 AMQuote from: Rrulez on April 26, 2009, 11:16:55 AMQuote from: Colin Michael on April 26, 2009, 11:13:36 AMQuote from: Minister Polarius on April 26, 2009, 10:27:28 AMQuoteThe Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.The little kid in Sunday school would have probably been taught that they Hebrews believed them to be false gods; however, this view would be incorrect. If the Hebrews viewed Asherah and Baal to not even be real, why would they continue to be unfaithful to YHWH and worship them? It's not until the exile to Babylon (the Zoroastrians were dualists, meaning that there was a god over good and a god over evil) that the Hebrews began to believe that YHWH was sovereign over all. During the Maccabeean period, the Jews were introduced to the Platonic "Form of the Good" and the Aristotelian "unmoved mover", and (as one of my religion major buddies once said), "they said, hey, that sounds like our God!"It's naive to say that Christianity is without outside influence; on the contrary, I once wrote a paper tracing the roots of Christian thought to 500BC.Christian thought? Are you talking about the Messianic prophecies?No, I actually traced it back to the existentialist literature (i.e. Genesis, Job, Ecclesiastes). The belief in Yeshua? That can't be true. Yes, christian princable. Moses looked past the Torah. He obeyed a higher law.Law is not a part of Christianity. Rather, the law has been suspended for the sake of God's higher purpose: a teleological suspension of the ethical, is what Kierkegaard called it.Basically, we as Christians have a calling to pursue God's goal for us, all else is secondary.I see what you're saying. But Yeshua presented a higher law. Thou shalt not murder? Don't even hate. Thou shalt not commit adultery? Don't even look at a woman with lust. Just about everyone can follow the Torah, and not believe it in his heart. I can prevent myself from murdering someone, but I can't always prevent myself from feeling unrighteous anger. The law is secondary to what God's purpose is for us, but secondary only. That doesnt completely wipe away the law just because it is secondary.
*Going back on topic*This looks like fun. I just need a reusable band for Plato and Socrates, and then it would be epic.
Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on April 26, 2009, 12:18:37 PM*Going back on topic*This looks like fun. I just need a reusable band for Plato and Socrates, and then it would be epic. Except that it makes absolutely no sense.
Quote from: Colin Michael on April 26, 2009, 06:12:50 PMQuote from: Rawrlolsauce! on April 26, 2009, 12:18:37 PM*Going back on topic*This looks like fun. I just need a reusable band for Plato and Socrates, and then it would be epic. Except that it makes absolutely no sense.I worded that poorly. I didn't mean "let them band together", I meant find a way to band them together (ie: Set Socrates aside with Habitation of Demons, band him to Cubus, band her to Lot's Wife, and band her to Plato. There is probably a shorter way, but thats all I could think of off the top of my head).I know it wouldn't make sense for them to band together.
