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Title: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: The Guardian on August 07, 2017, 03:13:18 PM: (https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20728320_10100921026468009_5261289075379693789_n.jpg?oh=79103f2c26a28c5140fcb5fda4e744a5&oe=5B23CE98)

The random discard comes first because the Babylonian Chaldeans and diviners could not interpret the meaning so King Belshazar had to call on Daniel for the meaning.
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: The Guardian on August 07, 2017, 03:25:19 PM: Well the T2 MP winner doesn't get the create a card prize so my streak has ended... :'(

This was just a card idea I had awhile back when brainstorming "Reserve access" cards for themes that weren't in RoJ. 8)
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: Crashfach2002 on August 07, 2017, 03:26:34 PM: Quote from: The Guardian on August 07, 2017, 03:25:19 PM
Well the T2 MP winner doesn't get the create a card prize so my streak has ended... :'(

This was just a card idea I had awhile back when brainstorming "Reserve access" cards for themes that weren't in RoJ. 8)

I realized after I posted that, that I forgot you got first in a multi category. Can you tell I'm still extremely far behind on my sleep? I did remove that post, so now the response will look weird! ::) (I'll eventually figure out what I'm doing!)
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: The Guardian on August 07, 2017, 03:32:18 PM: Haha no worries. :P

A thought on the design--4 cards might be a little more thematic (since there were 4 words), but I worried that made the odds too high that the opponent picks off the card you really want. 5 cards can refer to the story coming from Daniel chapter 5.
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: Kevinthedude on August 07, 2017, 03:49:40 PM: I'm always glad to see more Daniel cards as we draw steadily closer to the inevitable rise of The Foretelling Angel.
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: NathanW on August 07, 2017, 04:00:27 PM: lol I tried making a Kony/Fortelling deck once and it didn't work too well :P
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: Asahel24601 on August 07, 2017, 05:11:34 PM: Quote from: The Guardian on August 07, 2017, 03:13:18 PM
Silver/White/Crimson DAE (card builder doesn't have the formatting option for the brigade box like we used for the Bowls of Wrath).

If you use the four brigade option and set the second and fourth to the evil brigade, it shows up similar to how the Bowls look.

I like the card as a whole. More Daniel cards is always nice, but I can imagine this being rather painful for the user if their opponent gets lucky.
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: Gabe on August 07, 2017, 05:19:23 PM: Awesome card, Justin! 8)

Too bad that doesn't fit at all with our theme for next year or I'd add it to our rough list right away!
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: NathanW on August 07, 2017, 05:20:32 PM: ohhh #1. there's a rough list and #2. things from card creations get added to it every now and then :D
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: Noah on August 07, 2017, 05:20:54 PM: Spoiler (hover to show)
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Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: Watchman on August 07, 2017, 05:47:09 PM: Quote from: Gabe on August 07, 2017, 05:19:23 PM
Awesome card, Justin! 8)

Too bad that doesn't fit at all with our theme for next year or I'd add it to our rough list right away!

Sure, Gabe, sure. We know your tricks. ;)
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: The Guardian on August 07, 2017, 05:47:50 PM: Quote from: Asahel24601 on August 07, 2017, 05:11:34 PM

If you use the four brigade option and set the second and fourth to the evil brigade, it shows up similar to how the Bowls look.

I like the card as a whole. More Daniel cards is always nice, but I can imagine this being rather painful for the user if their opponent gets lucky.

Oooo, excellent idea, I'll redo it later when I'm back home.

It's certainly a bit of a gamble, but ideally you build your Reserve in such a way that you can reveal 2 or more cards that will help you (more likely in a theme that doesn't have a lot of other Reserve access--i.e. I could put this in a Daniel deck and put both Blood of the Lamb and Overcome in my Reserve which would both help that deck).
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: Minister Polarius on August 08, 2017, 09:17:58 AM: If it added one to hand or battle it'd probably see play. As-is I couldn't imagine playing it.
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: The Guardian on August 08, 2017, 02:36:28 PM: Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 08, 2017, 09:17:58 AM
If it added one to hand or battle it'd probably see play. As-is I couldn't imagine playing it.

For a theme that has no Reserve access besides cards like Cov Prayer/Gain/Deceiver, I think this card would for sure be played. I think it's way more likely to be used outside of battle so the ability to add to battle (while awesome) isn't terribly necessary.
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: Xonathan on August 08, 2017, 03:11:09 PM: Card abilities are almost irrelevant if it has a daniel reference. Lol
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: The Guardian on August 08, 2017, 06:54:16 PM: Updated version posted. 8)
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: Minister Polarius on August 08, 2017, 06:57:26 PM: I mean, a Daniel offense would for sure still not be played if this were its only reserve access. If it weren't, the argument for an under-powered card being used because it's the only reserve access falls apart. Reserve access doesn't make a theme current-era good, good reserve access makes it.
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: kariusvega on August 08, 2017, 07:02:38 PM: i agree with Pol and it's kind of funny how frequently i am automatically determining if i even want to play a card based on whether or not it has itb
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: The Guardian on August 08, 2017, 07:03:12 PM: I wasn't suggesting that this card alone would move the Daniel theme/deck into the top tier realm, but only that if someone wanted to use the Daniel deck because it's a fun deck to use, then this gives it something to work with the Reserve (especially since there's only one battle winner from Daniel) without having to put non-Daniel cards in the main deck. 8)
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: The Guardian on August 08, 2017, 07:05:09 PM: Quote from: kariusvega on August 08, 2017, 07:02:38 PM
i agree with Pol and it's kind of funny how frequently i am automatically determining if i even want to play a card based on whether or not it has itb

If this card gets you a Protection of Angels, Not Alone, Overcome, Word of their Testimony, Words of Encouragement, etc from Reserve while being a Daniel card, isn't that worth it?
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: Minister Polarius on August 08, 2017, 07:08:28 PM: Reserve space is extremely precious, and you're already gimping yourself if you need to use four (essentially) redundant cards filling up nearly half the slots that your defense can't use just to burn one in order to get one.

Perhaps it goes to far to say this card would never be played, but it is still extremely expensive for what it does both in opportunity cost and actual cost without directly helping you rescue a soul or block a rescue attempt.
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: The Guardian on August 08, 2017, 07:14:27 PM: I agree that Reserve space is precious, but I've never needed every single card in my Reserve nor would the Daniel deck have enough other ways to get all the cards out of Reserve.
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: Minister Polarius on August 08, 2017, 07:23:38 PM: I can fill up a reserve with just what the Defense will be using easily! You may not need all 10 cards every game but you need all 10 cards at some point in the tournament (or you built your deck wrong). This is just a super-expensive and unreliable way to do what other strategies can do pretty much (or exactly) free in my eyes, but maybe I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: The Guardian on August 08, 2017, 07:26:31 PM: Just to clarify, I'm referring to the dedicated Daniel deck where every card possible in the main deck is a Daniel card for Foretelling Angel. I suppose Babylon Sites could be put in the Reserve to be shuffled with Gain, but every other worthwhile Daniel card is going in the main deck, right?
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: Xonathan on August 08, 2017, 07:35:41 PM: I like TC cards that add a benefit if used in battle as well. "If played in battle, regardless of protection banish an opposing character in battle" lol probably too strong but something like that.
Title: Re: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin
Post by: Minister Polarius on August 08, 2017, 07:46:19 PM: Even when I played a Daniel deck last season I never went full Timmy on it. Getting a ton of cards doesn't do you much good if those cards aren't actually winning you the game. Even in a dedicated Daniel-themed deck I'd have at the very least a Deceiver with multiple situational block options in reserve, Fifth Seal, Covenant of Prayer and Frog Demons to fetch and band to a Babylonian Kings of the Earth. That may not get the spoken-for reserve slots to 10, but it certainly gets it past 6.