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Title: Men with men
Post by: stefferweffer on November 10, 2011, 03:21:53 PM
2/2 Crimson Evil Enhancement

"Discard two humans banded together who are of the same gender.  Cannot be interrupted."

"and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire towards one another, men with men commiting indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." Romans 1:27

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Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: drb1200 on November 10, 2011, 03:24:08 PM
2/2 Orange Evil Enhancement

"Discard two humans banded together who are of the same gender."

"and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire towards one another, men with men commiting indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." Romans 1:27
I don't think it should be orange. Maybe brown or black?
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: CJSports on November 10, 2011, 03:33:58 PM
Crimson since the men were doing something like a heretic would do maybe. It's a really cool card idea though.
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: drb1200 on November 10, 2011, 03:36:30 PM
Crimson since the men were doing something like a heretic would do maybe. It's a really cool card idea though.
Ah yes, crimson. I was thinking this was from Genesis :P
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: Red Wing on November 10, 2011, 03:38:02 PM
Crimson since the men were doing something like a heretic would do maybe. It's a really cool card idea though.
+1
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: SomeKittens on November 10, 2011, 04:13:21 PM
2/2 Orange Evil Enhancement

"Discard two humans banded together who are of the same gender."

"and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire towards one another, men with men commiting indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." Romans 1:27
It has to be at least CBI, or it won't get played in todays meta.  If it is, then it'll be nice and powerful, but not OP.
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: megamanlan on November 10, 2011, 04:36:14 PM
I would limit it to 'If used by a Human' don't want any of those demons using it.. *cough cough* Red Dragon *cough cough*
Also, change the wording to: "Discard 2 Male Humans in Battle. Cannot be Interrupted." that sounds much simpler.
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: stefferweffer on November 10, 2011, 04:50:51 PM
I would limit it to 'If used by a Human' don't want any of those demons using it.. *cough cough* Red Dragon *cough cough*
But it's a temptation.  Why does it matter if the source of that temptation is evil crimson humans or demons?
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: SomeKittens on November 10, 2011, 04:53:09 PM
I don't see why we need the limitation.  If CGD actually did publish something like this, it'd probably be limited to a theme, but that's just them.
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: megamanlan on November 10, 2011, 05:04:09 PM
I'm just saying, it's better like that, and the verse does mention only Human men so why not have the limitation? And like SomeKittens just said, if it's ever printed, it would have it. And it's kinda strong to not have a limit on it, especially w/ lots of cards that allow other brigades to play an Enhancement like this.
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: drb1200 on November 10, 2011, 05:05:52 PM
As there are no longer any crimson demons, I think it would be silly to say "If used by a human" since really this is a new era of Redemption.
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: megamanlan on November 10, 2011, 05:07:48 PM
Then whats Cubus and Red Dragon?
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: SomeKittens on November 10, 2011, 05:08:28 PM
I'm just saying, it's better like that, and the verse does mention only Human men so why not have the limitation? And like SomeKittens just said, if it's ever printed, it would have it. And it's kinda strong to not have a limit on it, especially w/ lots of cards that allow other brigades to play an Enhancement like this.
I'd like to point out that's not what I said.  I said that CGD would probably put a theme limiter on it (notice that "human" is not a theme).  There's only a handful of non-human Crimson characters, so I don't think that it would change much.
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: drb1200 on November 10, 2011, 05:10:19 PM
Then whats Cubus and Red Dragon?
old cards
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: megamanlan on November 10, 2011, 05:35:34 PM
I'm saying putting it in a Setup that would be useful (more than likely Heretics).
Also Red Dragon is still quite viable, Heretics can use him.
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: SomeKittens on November 10, 2011, 05:36:55 PM
Why would restricting the card further be useful?
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: megamanlan on November 10, 2011, 05:39:01 PM
Because there is no card like this that doesn't have a major restriction.
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: SomeKittens on November 10, 2011, 05:41:45 PM
What about Authority of Christ Promo?
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: megamanlan on November 10, 2011, 05:45:11 PM
That is the 1 only exception, but there are no EE's that are like this.
I would personally argue that AoCP is extremely OP.
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: SomeKittens on November 10, 2011, 05:53:25 PM
Wrath of Satan?
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: browarod on November 10, 2011, 05:58:24 PM
This isn't passive aggressive or anything. ;)

I like it overall. I agree with the change to crimson over orange, and I also agree with people thinking that it should have a CB-something so as not to be UP. I don't know that it's really necessary to limit it to a theme, though, because Heretics and Babylonians (the current crimson themes) could both make good use of it (especially against popular offenses like Isaiah/Prophets, Genesis, Sam, Disciples, etc.)
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: STAMP on November 10, 2011, 07:18:24 PM
I'd say it fits nicely in a crimson theme:

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Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: CJSports on November 11, 2011, 04:05:32 PM
Just a little, maybe.  ::)
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: The Warrior on November 11, 2011, 05:03:15 PM
Political Opinions, Go!
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: megamanlan on November 13, 2011, 05:57:41 AM
Wrath of Satan?

WoS can be Negated.
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: SomeKittens on November 14, 2011, 09:57:59 AM
Wrath of Satan?

WoS can be Negated.
Baalam's Disobedience?
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: stefferweffer on November 14, 2011, 01:27:10 PM
Sorry, just now coming back to this.  I'm surprised that some would think such a situational card would be so powerful.  It's only a "battle winner" if you have initiative against exactly two humans of the same gender.  So its only going to be useful against banding chains, and in those cases it only takes 2 links out of the chain.  I think such a card would be needed now as the last few sets have encouraged banding heroes (TGT, Disciples, Samuel/Royalty, etc.).  And it doesn't remove them from the game, so they are easily healed or returned with cards like Brass Serpent promo, COF, etc.

Anyway, thank you all for the input. 

Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: CJSports on November 14, 2011, 03:00:29 PM
I still like the concept.
Title: Re: Men with men
Post by: cookie monster on November 14, 2011, 05:23:06 PM
 think that could really use this card.
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