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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => New Card Ideas => Topic started by: TimMierz on January 14, 2007, 07:33:59 PM
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From now on, any posts with ideas for cards of Jesus, God, Stan, etc., it is best to put your creativity into different cards. As you may already know, Redemption already has a number of cards representing these (Son of God, Red Dragon, etc.), and posting an idea will almost surely get you a response similar to this. Any cards like this are, in general, too overpowered, underpowered, wordy, etc., and threads about them will get locked or deleted, from now on. You have been warned. And it's better than being mocked.
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woah!thanks for the warning! :o
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Its True Tim we do not need any cards depicting Jesus Or Satan.......... But we do need three new Demon Evil Characters that are tri- color like the salavtion army cards.
The center color in all three will be Orange , sandwiched between ( crimson and Black ) Then one between ( pale green and Gray ) and finally one between ( gold and Brown )
This would alow you to play demon specific enhancements that work with those colors.
The special abilities would be fairly simple the 1st would band to a Human, the second would be immune to Old testament human heros, and the 3rd would be able to search for a demon related enhancement.
Thanks John
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cards of Jesus, God, Stan, etc.
aww man... i had a really good Stan card idea, now I can't post it...
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and i thought "Lucifer, The Angel f Light" was a good idea
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That was one the best satan cards i've seen.
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and i thought "Lucifer, The Angel f Light" was a good idea
I like it because it is not actually Satan, but him as an evil angel. I think this is an exception
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Notice that the card wasn't named "Satan," but "Lucifer, Angel of Light." We have Prince of this World, Prince of the Air, etc. that are "really" Satan, so other variants on him could work as well.
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I always thought I came up with a good idea with that card. Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought so.
Since you guys liked it so much, I make it look a little better, simplified the SA, and made another one with a different image, Enjoy!
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So far it is the only Satan card I have liked, and it looks like it might work.
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I figured that since Satan is on equal standing with Michael, then he should be the same in the game. I guess the only thing that makes him different would be he does what he wants, while Michael does God's will.
And like Polarius said, Satan takes different forms, so this would just be one of his forms..... of course I wonder if his ability should have to do with deceiving the hero, since as an angel of light that is what he is trying to do.....
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too powerful to be a real card, orange already destroys silver too much
add to the SA "discard if a good dominant is played"
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Sweetness and light, Mr. Coxwell. Excellent idea, wonderfully executed.
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way too powerful to be a real card, orange already destroys siver too much
add to the SA "discard if a good dominant is played"
Unless micheal is too powerful to be a real card(or a card with 3 reprints) its perfectly fine for a UR.
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Yea, just cause he's immune to angels doesn't mean he can't be beat.... he's not immune to Phinehas, or Caleb and his band of Merry Men....... Or Three Nails.
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He isn't immune to swift beings+bound either :-p.
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yeah, but orange doesnt need another way to stop silver, with prince of tyrus and prince of the air
mabye "immune to all angels except warrior class."
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Orange should be the best at stopping Silver, except for Gray.
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it already is much better at stoping silver than gray
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Not really... All it has is Evil Angel, Prince of Tyrus, and Prince of the Air. These are very easy to get past. Gray and Orange, however, will stop silver cold in it's tracks.
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how are they easy to get past!!?? one is immune and cannot be prevented, one withdraws a hero and it cannot be negated, and one disards a hero. its not easy to get past. my orange def beat my brother's siver 4 games in a row and i didnt hav evil angel even.
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One is immune to all except the strongest and most commonly used angels.
One causes a non-warrior class angel to retreat.
One discards an angel of */6 or less.
Mike, TSA, Captain, and Angel at Shur stop all those guys cold. They also happen to be the most commonly used angels.
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Bah, the only reason i couldn't get past his defence is because he had huge demon banding, and my silver offence was more based on I am holy and wearing a defence down with the huge angels.
Btw, prince of the air stops tsa, angel at shur, and gabe, while prince of tyrus stops tsa and angel at shur.
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warrios TSA doesnt stop any of them 'cept evil angel
besides, orange can stop silver using BTN
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Yea, just cause he's immune to angels doesn't mean he can't be beat.... he's not immune to Phinehas, or Caleb and his band of Merry Men....... Or Three Nails.
or even peters mother in law gasp!
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Btw, prince of the air stops tsa, angel at shur, and gabe, while prince of tyrus stops tsa and angel at shur.
Actually, Prince of the Air doesn't do squat against Angel at Shur, except give him initiative to play one of ~infinity silver cards targeting demons. AaS is IMMUNE to him, and therefore cannot get kicked out of battle by him.
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Btw, prince of the air stops tsa, angel at shur, and gabe, while prince of tyrus stops tsa and angel at shur.
Actually, Prince of the Air doesn't do squat against Angel at Shur, except give him initiative to play one of ~infinity silver cards targeting demons. AaS is IMMUNE to him, and therefore cannot get kicked out of battle by him.
yeah, i realized that about a week ago, but didn't edit my post, seeing as the thread had been dead for about a month.
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yeah, but orange doesnt need another way to stop silver, with prince of tyrus and prince of the air
mabye "immune to all angels except warrior class."
That's on every Angel Stopper. I think the card is great. Not all hero's are Angels you know, and look at Red Dragon, although not so high in numbers, he's kind of on the same level, and in ways, he may be even more powerful because he can gain initiative more easily.
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Its True Tim we do not need any cards depicting Jesus Or Satan.......... But we do need three new Demon Evil Characters that are tri- color like the salavtion army cards.
i know just the card
this maybe another ec but here's my suggestion
The Anti-Christ/The Beast 6/6 pg/orange/black
ec may band with any number of revelation ecs as holder chooses,if all ecs in holder's territory are from revelation then this ec is immune to human and lone heroes.cannot be negated unless michael is in play.character may use number of the beast regardless of brigade
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i like it!
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Its True Tim we do not need any cards depicting Jesus Or Satan.......... But we do need three new Demon Evil Characters that are tri- color like the salavtion army cards.
i know just the card
this maybe another ec but here's my suggestion
The Anti-Christ/The Beast 6/6 pg/orange/black
ec may band with any number of revelation ecs as holder chooses,if all ecs in holder's territory are from revelation then this ec is immune to human and lone heroes.cannot be negated unless michael is in play.character may use number of the beast regardless of brigade
suggested this cause i thought the revelation theme would need something to spice it up and the sa with michael makes sense cause it's in revelation. michael the captain of the angelic army to make war with the antichrist and his demons
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I like it.
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i like the Lucifer, Angel of Light card, but maybe it should be multi....
and i think AntiChrist is already there, by "The False Prophet" from PR's....
and i think White Wolf is a little bit wrong. If i go on a rescue w/ WA Angel @ Jerusalem, i get inish, play Defeating the Enemy, plus i can access any site.
and why would we need new demon cards? they are no different than others when it comes to Three Nails.
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and i think White Wolf is a little bit wrong. If i go on a rescue w/ WA Angel @ Jerusalem, i get inish, play Defeating the Enemy, plus i can access any site.
Where am I wrong....?
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God: Turn on a light in the room you are currently in after asking Chuck Norris.
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and i thought "Lucifer, The Angel f Light" was a good idea
I like it because it is not actually Satan, but him as an evil angel. I think this is an exception
Satan is an evil angel.
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I always kind of wanted to make a card like this:
Victory in Heaven
Silver Enhancement
"Negate all special abilities on demon evil characters and enhancements connected with demons. Send all demons in battle abck to owners' territories or Tartaros. No demon may enter battle for three turns. Cannot be Prevented. This card may be played in battle without initiative."
or this:
Angelic Rebellion
Orange Enhancement
"Take up to one third of all silver brigade heroes in play (rounded down), and convert them to orange brigade demons, regardless of protection. Cannot be negated."
That would give Silver and Orange a good fight against each other, eh?
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I always kind of wanted to make a card like this:
Victory in Heaven
Silver Enhancement
"Negate all special abilities on demon evil characters and enhancements connected with demons. Send all demons in battle abck to owners' territories or Tartaros. No demon may enter battle for three turns. Cannot be Prevented. This card may be played in battle without initiative."
or this:
Angelic Rebellion
Orange Enhancement
"Take up to one third of all silver brigade heroes in play (rounded down), and convert them to orange brigade demons, regardless of protection. Cannot be negated."
That would give Silver and Orange a good fight against each other, eh?
The whole third of angels falling thing is a rumour.
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:dunno:
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Biblically, it is not backed.
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What about all those Roman Emperors whose references are from, like, "Josephus: Book of the Wars" or whatever? They aren't really considered "biblical" are they? :dunno:
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no BB they opposed the chitsns you know what i mean.
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We're Christians (hopefully), but we aren't part of the Bible. Not all Christians are in the Bible. Why would any of the "post-Jesus martyrs" or those who opposed them be considered Biblical, if they weren't actually in the Bible? The Romans opposing the Christians isn't biblically backed (at least not directly), so why is 1/3 of angels falling all that different? I'm not sure if I even believe that myself; I just thought it was a cool idea.
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if you look good enofh you'll find in paul's witings that some one oppsed the chuch that was to my belivef was the romans.
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Are Paul's writings in the Bible?
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yes! book of romans is one!
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I'm sorry; what I meant to say was, "Do Paul's writings mention any specific Emperors?" (I was confused with my last post for some reason.)
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The Anti-Christ/The Beast 6/6 pg/orange/black
ec may band with any number of revelation ecs as holder chooses,if all ecs in holder's territory are from revelation then this ec is immune to human and lone heroes.cannot be negated unless michael is in play.character may use number of the beast regardless of brigade
Not to get into a theological argument but the word anti-Christ is never used in the Book of Revelation. The only place it is used is by John in 1 John where he is referring to people in his time that were "anti-christs" because they lived and proclaimed contrary to the gospel. Therefore there could not be a card based on the anti-christ. It would be proper to stick with terms used in the biblical books themselves.
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I think there is no antichrist for the same reason there is no lucifer or rapture; we don't want to get into extra-biblical theoretical theology.
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I think there is no antichrist for the same reason there is no lucifer or rapture
BLASPHIMER!!!
how can you say that and say your a christian?
huh? you make no sense whatsoever
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I think there is no antichrist for the same reason there is no lucifer or rapture
BLASPHIMER!!!
how can you say that and say your a christian?
huh? you make no sense whatsoever
Andy, instead of calling names and bring another person's salvation into question you should point out some scripture that shows why you believe his statement to be incorrect. :)
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Umm...the bible says there will be an Antichrist. Oh wait, you don't trust the Bible. Nevermind...
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Where does it say that besides in 1 John where it is obviously, as Rob pointed out already, referring to people who live contrary to the gospel?
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In revelation it talks about him it just doesnt call him the "Anti-christ".
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In revelation it talks about him it just doesnt call him the "Anti-christ".
So the anti-christ has already lived? Seriously, back up your propositions.
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I am looking for book-chapter-verse, not some random grenade reference of an entire book...
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@uthminister (who wanted chapter and verse):
RRulez is probably refering to a certain interpretation which mixes Revelation 13 & Revelation 6:2. There are probably a lot of other Scripture that helps his point but frankly I didn't want to use any more time on it because...
...it is, just that, an interpretation that people fall on both sides of. I think it would be a wasted argument (like I satirically mentioned in Colin's thread) because it is an interpretation of Scripture. People feel they are right because it comes from Scripture, and others will not agree because it's not written out or because it is metaphorical. There is no resolving this issue. If it was resolved, then all denominations and Christians would agree on it. Eschatology is something we will have to agree to disagree.
*EDIT* I would like to point out that no matter what your beliefs. I think we should all glean the same point. God is in control and He wins, and we, as Christians, should feel an urgency to share the Gospel Message.
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+1
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I appreciate that Jonathan, but I frankly get tired of Christians expounding beliefs they don't personally know why they believe. As a youth minister I am sure you can appreciate my wanting this statement and others on these boards to be backed up. I am not wanting to attack or debate him, I just want him to know why he believes what he believes. :angel:
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Even so, the New Card Ideas forum is not the place for it. I'll keep this in here for the time being, but I'd appreciate further debate on the topic going on in Open Discussion.
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Right...sorry Tim!
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Sorry Tim...
Like I said I did not want to create a theological debate.
I was simply trying to point out that card names/ideas need to have a biblical basic, particular a specific verse to back them up. The anti-christ does not have that basis in Revelation. However cards like the beast from the earth, from the sea, the false prophet all do. Yes they are all images that represent Satan who is the "anti" to all that is God and Christ.
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does any one not agree with me?
I don't see any reason that Jesus is the king of all animals.
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does any one not agree with me?
I don't see any reason that Jesus is the king of all animals.
1. who made the animals? and who can kill them instantly?
2. i said the lion is the king of all animals and what i meant by that was. jesus is the lion and jesus is the lamb. he is the lion because he is the king. he is the lamb because the lamb represents sacrifice. jesus sacrificed him self for us. and he is our king.
Musician just made a good, sound, logical explanation that is fairly legible :o I'm just *sniff* so proud :'( :-*
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1. who made the animals?
Mommy and daddy animals.
and who can kill them instantly?
Men with guns.
i said the lion is the king of all animals and what i meant by that was. jesus is the lion and jesus is the lamb.
Not literally, my friend.
he is the lion because he is the king.
He's not actually a lion.
he is the lamb because the lamb represents sacrifice.
He's not actually a lamb.
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Alright then, if he gets to do that, then I get to explain how Jesus is Lucifer.
We know the origins of the word Luficer:
Isa 14:12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
This is the verse from which the idea of Lucifer as a fallen angel is derrived. This verse, however, is a prophesy about King Nebaccadnezzer.
But Lucifer is a Latin word! Why is it in our English Bibles?
The Latin word "lucifer" literally means "light bringer" from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring". As you may know, in German, all nouns are capitalised; this is the same in Old English (which is rooted in German). The word lucifer was left in Latin when translated from the Vulgate into English (for reasons unknown) and was never un-capitalised in later translations.
Isaiah 14:12, however, is not the only mentions of "lucifer" in the Bible.
2 Peter 1:19 (Vulgate) et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris.
2 Peter 1:19 (English) We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2 Peter 1:19 (Greek) καὶ ἔχομεν βεβαιότερον τὸν προφητικὸν λόγον ᾧ καλῶς ποιεῖτε προσέχοντες ὡς λύχνῳ φαίνοντι ἐν αὐχμηρῷ τόπῳ ἕως οὗ ἡμέρα διαυγάσῃ καὶ φωσφόρος ἀνατείλῃ ἐν ταῖς καρδίαις ὑμῶν
The Greek word that Vulgate translates lucifer is φωσφόρος (transliterated: phōsphoros), which is defined by Strong's as:
1)) light bringing, giving light
2) the planet Venus, the morning star, day star
3) metaph. Christ
In the old testament Vulgate, in addition to the verse in Isaiah, the world lucifer appears twice in Job.
Job 11:17 (Vulgate)et quasi meridianus fulgor consurget tibi ad vesperam et cum te consumptum putaveris orieris ut lucifer
Job 11:17 (English) And [your] life would be brighter than noonday. [Though] you were dark, you would be like the morning.
Job 38:32 (Vulgate) numquid producis luciferum in tempore suo et vesperum super filios terrae consurgere facis
Job 38:32 (English) Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
(Mazzaroth is the twelfth sign of the zodiac in Babylonian tradition).
In the book of Revelations, the words used for the "morning star" are different in both the Greek and the Latin.
Rev 2:28 (English) and I will give him the morning star.
Rev 2:28 (Greek) καὶ δώσω αὐτῷ τὸν ἀστέρα τὸν πρωϊνόν
Rev 2:28 (Vulgate) icut et ego accepi a Patre meo et dabo illi stellam matutinam
In Revelation 22:16, we learn that Jesus is apparently the morning star.
Rev 22:16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."
Rev 22:16 (Greek) Ἐγὼ Ἰησοῦς ἔπεμψα τὸν ἄγγελόν μου μαρτυρῆσαι ὑμῖν ταῦτα ἐπὶ ταῖς ἐκκλησίαις ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ ῥίζα καὶ τὸ γένος τοῦ Δαβίδ, ὁ ἀστὴρ ὁ λαμπρὸς καὶ ὀρθρινός
Rev 22:16 ego Iesus misi angelum meum testificari vobis haec in ecclesiis ego sum radix et genus David] stella splendida et matutina
From this, the Roman Rite liturgy is taken:
Flammas eius lucifer matutinus inveniat:
ille, inquam, lucifer, qui nescit occasum,
Christus Filius tuus qui,
regressus ab inferis,
humano generi serenus illuxit,
et vivit et regnat in saecula saeculorum.
May the Morning Star which never sets
find this flame still burning:
Christ, that Morning Star,
who came back from the dead,
and shed his peaceful light on all mankind,
your Son, who lives and reigns for ever and ever.
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so now this is a way of saying. ther are other ways to heaven. would you like us to start calling you oprah?
jesus is not luciferre and he will never be "luciferre". do you get it... oprah?
How is he saying that I only see him proving that Jesus can also be called Lucifer....Oprah? thats just...lame
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Am I missing something? Where does it say or imply that?
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oprahs religion belives ther is more then one way to heaven. the way is post sounds is saying ther ismore then one way to heaven.
With your logic, you should go jump on her couch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0#) That's who you sound like.
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Aaaand this discussion has stopped being relevant to the point of the post. Sadly, I must lock this.