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I would specify false gods, and something like if Son of God is played discard this card.
Good idea though, I look forward to your next ones.

Theses cards are "God" type so there are evil gods and good Gods. Not sure the big difference between an evil God and false god. As for printing "discard if SoG is played on every card" I will pass, because its just a lot of text and because the Son of God didn't come to earth until after these gods were worshiped.

The plan is this: I will finish up with the popular Egyptian gods then I will move on to the other cultures.

There would be way more "evil gods" and only one (or three if you use the trinity) "good God". This would be very unbalanced, but the idea is cool.

Two suggestions:
1. I prefer false gods to evil gods since it implies that they're real gods, not human made idols. There is only the one true God. I wouldn't want to give the impression that there are other gods than him, and while that was not your intent this clarifies it.
2. While I don't care how you do it, when I mentioned the part about Son of God, I was just trying to implement a counter to these. As is this is a new card type and there is nothing to target them. As such there needs to be a way to grt rid of them. Maybe when an opponent rescues one of your lost souls with a human hero, he may discard one total god type card in your territory.
I think this could be a great addition to Redemption and I'm still looking forward to your next batch.

What about making them territory class demons with really good abilities but cannot block?

Because they are not demons?

Well, they certainly are demons, if they are being seen as actually giving power.  But if they are not printed as demons, then they are idols printed as either artifacts or curses?  That fits what you are describing in the first post, but I do have some concern from this statement:

Cards are like curses and covenants in the sense that they are evil or good...

The concepts that you are describing can only be evil (or neutral if printed as an artifact), never good.

And a new card type doesn't make sense when you can use curses/artifacts to do the exact same things you are proposing.

No you're wrong, they are only demons if they are real.

I'm pointing out that they are demons if they are made into characters as suggested earlier.  But regardless, false deities are "false religious practice", "depicts an idol",  "connected to demons", etc. if not a character anyway.  The cards you are suggesting are either idols or demons, there's really no other way to view them.

And I'm still unclear why you think we'd need a new card type for this.

Just to share some more on the topic of idols and demons:

Idols themselves are not demons because demons are spiritual beings, but demons are behind idols, as Paul explains in 1 Corinthians 10:19-22, because with idolatry, something is being worshipped instead of and over God, which is what Satan wants...so idol worship amounts to demon worship.

"What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. Shall we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he?" - 1 Corinthians 10:19-22 (ESV)

"For rebellion is as the sin of divination, and insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry." - 1 Samuel 15:23 (NASB)

Satan's entire history has to do with desiring to have God's position and receive worship instead of God. Isaiah 14:13-14 describes this aspect in his fall from originally being an angel, we see this again in the Garden of Eden, and remember during Jesus' testing in the desert before His baptism, Satan wanted Him to bow down and worship him. And in the end times, Satan will again seek worship as he will use the antichrist to get worship for himself (Revelation 13:4, Daniel 11:36-37).

God is after all of our heart (the 1st Commandment)- He is jealous for our worship, as we were created for a deep, first-and-foremost love relationship with Him who is wholeheartedly devoted in love to us, burning with passionate desire for completely undeserving people like you and me so much that He went to the Cross and willingly endured the worst suffering possible. So any time something else is getting our whole-hearted loving devotion and worship other than God, it's the same in essence as demon worship. God alone is worthy of worship and Satan wants to steal it from Him and surely considers it a success whenever idolatry occurs.

Keep in mind, though, the one guy (whose name I can't remember) in the Chronicles of Narnia...

Really narrowed it down for us pal. Lol.

I would actually lean towards either just Artifacts or make them Evil Dom's that are specific to civilizations. (Which would be interesting, having Dom's that specifically support a civilization would make it that you might be more then just 2-3 different Dom's per deck. But that's just my thought.)

I now see what you meant, though that was more talking about how God judges us by our hearts and intentions, but we can still only be saved by Him.  For those who have no opportunity to know Him, there is still hope was the point, but that doesn't change the fact that Tash himself was just an idol (nothing more) and is not 'good' in any way.

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Keep in mind, though, the one guy (whose name I can't remember) in the Chronicles of Narnia...

I'm not sure how that relates specifically, can you clarify?  In Chronicles, the 'higher powers' were almost explicitly allegorical.  Aslan was Jesus, The King Across The Sea was God the Father, the Witch was Satan/Deceiver, and there were other 'gods' that different civilizations worshiped but who were not God.

Sorry, didn't have much time. The Colorman (no idea how to spell that) that worshiped Tash, but was essentially a good person. Aslan tells him that every vow that he made to Tash, he made to Aslan, because he did it in good faith. Every good deed he did in the name of Tash, he actually did in the name of Aslan. Then, Aslan tells him it was not because Tash was good, it was because he was only giving his goodness to the only god he thought was real that he thought was good.

Tash was unquestionably evil though (don't forget he actually appears in the Last Battle).  Nonetheless, while illustrations from C.S. Lewis series can be the basis for good discussion, they are not biblical evidence of anything.

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Quote from: Redoubter on April 30, 2015, 08:44:07 AM

Quote from: Minion of Jesus on April 30, 2015, 08:31:20 AM

Keep in mind, though, the one guy (whose name I can't remember) in the Chronicles of Narnia...

I'm not sure how that relates specifically, can you clarify?  In Chronicles, the 'higher powers' were almost explicitly allegorical.  Aslan was Jesus, The King Across The Sea was God the Father, the Witch was Satan/Deceiver, and there were other 'gods' that different civilizations worshiped but who were not God.

Sorry, didn't have much time. The Colorman (no idea how to spell that) that worshiped Tash, but was essentially a good person. Aslan tells him that every vow that he made to Tash, he made to Aslan, because he did it in good faith. Every good deed he did in the name of Tash, he actually did in the name of Aslan. Then, Aslan tells him it was not because Tash was good, it was because he was only giving his goodness to the only god he thought was real that he thought was good.

Tash was unquestionably evil though (don't forget he actually appears in the Last Battle).  Nonetheless, while illustrations from C.S. Lewis series can be the basis for good discussion, they are not biblical evidence of anything.

Yes. I was referencing the Last Battle. My point was is that the intent of some pagans was not demon worship, but as close to true worship as they could get.

So, i would like to point out, there is a card called "demon behind the idol" (needs a reprint) and that pretty much is what all the false gods are. if you could some how tie that in, i think that would be a lot more biblically accurate. Cool idea though, and i would love to see these tie in with greeks, because i think they need more demon support.

I would say that a curse card would probably be best for these. Just make it have an identifier of may be activated on an appropriate character from its civilization and then give it a place in territory effect. The reason i say make it to where it has to be activated on an appropriate character is becauae a false god is essebtially powerless if no one is worshiping it. for the special abilities I'd probably revamp them a bit. Just to make them more balanced and to where they could see play. I'd probably give them an idol identifier or depicting an idol identifier so that demons could interact more with it and the civilization. Just my 2 cents. I like the idea overall.

The Bible says a lot of things about idols, if you would like to discuss the topic I would need a verse or two from where you are coming fun.

I also agree that maybe the false gods should be Territory class demons that can't block i think that it would add an interesting mechanic to the game.

Ok, heres an idea!

http://imgur.com/dJw4Ftc

feed back welcome, especially from the creator of the thread!