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Im a personal Fan of the Old School one just make that one Black and maybe lower the numbers to like 3/3 and I think your game.

Delilah.
Black Philistine, 5/5
If opponent rescues with a male hero, you may reveal 3 evil cards from hand to discard him. Opponent may reveal 3 good cards of matching brigade of the hero in battle to negate this. Cannot be prevented.

or something like that.

I like that... nice idea Ring Raith!

In that case, I say we need a reprint of Samson as well:

Samson: 12/6 gold judge - The abilities (*/*) on all enhancements used on Samson are doubled. If Samson is captured, after one turn, owner may discard samson to discard a fortress in the territory this card is in.

I was debating two things in that ability though:

1) the use of may, so that it balances itself by being able to hit you as well.
2) the time before it goes boom.

Also, the last ability still seems akwardly worded to me, but I couldn't figure out any other way to say it.

Good suggestion, Pol.  And the Samson is perfect, Lambo.

awsome ideas! and that samson is pretty cool lambo...like, completely spot-on. finally makes some awesome characters...awesome.

i think you are one of the best capable on these boards, right alongside pol. oh, how i wish for the day cactus actually has a R&D team completely seperate from the playtesters.

Research and Development

Love it.

i think you are one of the best capable on these boards, right alongside pol. oh, how i wish for the day cactus actually has a R&D team completely seperate from the playtesters.

That'd be awesome, because while the best people at making cards may not be the best at breaking them

well yeah, thats how it should be...R&D makes the cards, and its up to the playtesters to beta test them to make sure they're balanced and ok. when you have everyone doing everything, thats sort of a bias and conflict of interest...

I think it is less of that and more, making 200 cards with 10? people is hard enough within half a year, let alone play testing them to check for issues. Not that our guys aren't doing an awesome job.

lambo, any way you could possibly find a super cool pic to go with that super cool ability? i never really cared for the old artwork that much on such a powerhouse hero...

Im having issues finding a nice large high quality image that is as epic as it should be.

If this was done in color, I would use it in a heartbeat:

http://www.muian.com/muian06/06Dore_OT066.jpg

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 07, 2010, 01:09:45 AM

In that case, I say we need a reprint of Samson as well:

Samson: 12/6 gold judge - The abilities (*/*) on all enhancements used on Samson are doubled. If Samson is captured, after one turn, owner may discard samson to discard a fortress in the territory this card is in.

I might add a cannot be negated on to there...

Yeah, um.....I honestly don't think he should be CBN.

This Samson w/ CBN + FBTN + Samson's Sacrifice + Name on name (type 2, etc.) = 44 strength with just one character and one enhancement (assuming the blocking EC made it FBTN)

Quote from: browarod on January 08, 2010, 10:27:34 AM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 07, 2010, 04:10:18 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 07, 2010, 01:09:45 AM

In that case, I say we need a reprint of Samson as well:

Samson: 12/6 gold judge - The abilities (*/*) on all enhancements used on Samson are doubled. If Samson is captured, after one turn, owner may discard samson to discard a fortress in the territory this card is in.

I might add a cannot be negated on to there...

Yeah, um.....I honestly don't think he should be CBN.

This Samson w/ CBN + FBTN + Samson's Sacrifice + Name on name (type 2, etc.) = 44 strength with just one character and one enhancement (assuming the blocking EC made it FBTN)

That is a pretty big assumption. 

If I saw that version of Samson attacking me, my first thought would not be "Ah, I think I'll block that guy with King of Tyrus!" 

There are multiple ways of having a FBTN battle (including the offense doing it themselves), and knowing the resourcefulness of people on this forum, I would not be surprised to see a (type 2 or otherwise) deck that abused this Samson + SS in FBTN + some kind of recursion if this Samson was printed.

I realize that balance of a single card can't really be determined by comparing it's effect when used in combination with other cards, this is mostly just food for thought.

Quote from: browarod on January 08, 2010, 10:39:04 AM

Quote from: Bryon on January 08, 2010, 10:32:47 AM

Quote from: browarod on January 08, 2010, 10:27:34 AM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 07, 2010, 04:10:18 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 07, 2010, 01:09:45 AM

In that case, I say we need a reprint of Samson as well:

Samson: 12/6 gold judge - The abilities (*/*) on all enhancements used on Samson are doubled. If Samson is captured, after one turn, owner may discard samson to discard a fortress in the territory this card is in.

I might add a cannot be negated on to there...

Yeah, um.....I honestly don't think he should be CBN.

This Samson w/ CBN + FBTN + Samson's Sacrifice + Name on name (type 2, etc.) = 44 strength with just one character and one enhancement (assuming the blocking EC made it FBTN)

That is a pretty big assumption. 

If I saw that version of Samson attacking me, my first thought would not be "Ah, I think I'll block that guy with King of Tyrus!" 

There are multiple ways of having a FBTN battle (including the offense doing it themselves), and knowing the resourcefulness of people on this forum, I would not be surprised to see a (type 2 or otherwise) deck that abused this Samson + SS in FBTN + some kind of recursion if this Samson was printed.

I realize that balance of a single card can't really be determined by comparing it's effect when used in combination with other cards, this is mostly just food for thought.

and Michael isn't being complained about... why? a Michael's Sword can stick, and he can Gather to TSA. that's a bit better than Sampson. there's NO way your opponent will make it past 28. and there you don't even have to play any enhancements.

Gather requires 4 turns (assuming I'm thinking of the card you're thinking of), Samson + SS is same turn.

Also, please read the last statement I said about balance. I'm not saying it shouldn't be printed this way, I'm just pointing out the possibility of a crazy big combo.

A gathered Moses says hi . You meant to say no FBTNB

Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 08, 2010, 10:41:41 AM

Quote from: browarod on January 08, 2010, 10:39:04 AM

Quote from: Bryon on January 08, 2010, 10:32:47 AM

Quote from: browarod on January 08, 2010, 10:27:34 AM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 07, 2010, 04:10:18 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 07, 2010, 01:09:45 AM

In that case, I say we need a reprint of Samson as well:

Samson: 12/6 gold judge - The abilities (*/*) on all enhancements used on Samson are doubled. If Samson is captured, after one turn, owner may discard samson to discard a fortress in the territory this card is in.

I might add a cannot be negated on to there...

Yeah, um.....I honestly don't think he should be CBN.

This Samson w/ CBN + FBTN + Samson's Sacrifice + Name on name (type 2, etc.) = 44 strength with just one character and one enhancement (assuming the blocking EC made it FBTN)

That is a pretty big assumption. 

If I saw that version of Samson attacking me, my first thought would not be "Ah, I think I'll block that guy with King of Tyrus!" 

There are multiple ways of having a FBTN battle (including the offense doing it themselves), and knowing the resourcefulness of people on this forum, I would not be surprised to see a (type 2 or otherwise) deck that abused this Samson + SS in FBTN + some kind of recursion if this Samson was printed.

I realize that balance of a single card can't really be determined by comparing it's effect when used in combination with other cards, this is mostly just food for thought.

and Michael isn't being complained about... why? a Michael's Sword can stick, and he can Gather to TSA. that's a bit better than Sampson. there's NO way your opponent will make it past 28. and there you don't even have to play any enhancements.

Gather requires 4 turns (assuming I'm thinking of the card you're thinking of), Samson + SS is same turn.

Also, please read the last statement I said about balance. I'm not saying it shouldn't be printed this way, I'm just pointing out the possibility of a crazy big combo.

Sammy would have to be gathered to make it FBTN, just like Michael, and SS really won't help that much, once you hit those high of numbers.

No, I guess I really meant to say no FBTN enhancements. Even so, a gathered Moses would have the same effect as Tribal Elder and AStU, except that the latter allows banding.

AStU?

Was RW even talking about "enancements played on samson cbn" or just CBN like I added on the printed version?

I personally am against more heroes that make enhancements CBN or CBI. If we add any more that grant status to enhancements, they should ONLY be CBP.

*EDIT*

Nevermind, I read the conversation again. As mentioned, you can only have one or the other, not name on name AND a boost. Besides, why would a 44/4 samson be bad?

Was RW even talking about "enancements played on samson cbn" or just CBN like I added on the printed version?

I personally am against more heroes that make enhancements CBN or CBI. If we add any more that grant status to enhancements, they should ONLY be CBP.

*EDIT*

Nevermind, I read the conversation again. As mentioned, you can only have one or the other, not name on name AND a boost. Besides, why would a 44/4 samson be bad?

the latter.

which was what I was trying to tell Browarod... Michael + Michael's sword is waay more deadly in a FBTN situation. and easier to make FBTN. Gathering is silver, as is TSA and Captain...

I do not think Lambo's Samson would ever be played, sorry.

Quote from: Mr.Hiatus on January 09, 2010, 03:55:01 PM

I do not think Lambo's Samson would ever be played, sorry.

Why's that? I would use it in a judges offense.

Actually, I kind of agree with Hiatus...If there was a reliable way to have Samson fight a FBTN battle he might see some use. But as it is, he's really just a way to potentially discard an evil Fortress, and give an opponent some crazy good initiative. If I were to remake Samson, he'd be like this: "Samson is immune to all Warrior Class Evil Characters unless a female Evil character is in play. If Samson is captured, owner may remove him from the game to discard an Evil Fortress in play or set-aside area. Opponent may discard two Evil Characters from his territory instead, regardless of protection.

That way, he:
a) Is very usable, but not OP'd I don't think, since hero immunity isn't as good as EC immunity, and he can only discard a Fortress once at most
b) Can get rid of the most broken card in the game--Gates of Hell
c) Might inspire people to use more females in their civilization defenses
d) Goes along with Gold's current theme of territory destruction
e) Is biblically accurate