Author Topic: Covenant of Conquering  (Read 3945 times)

Offline Minister Polarius

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15920
  • Grand Minister of Music and Video Games
    • -
    • East Central Region
    • Macclelland Music
Covenant of Conquering
« on: February 13, 2011, 05:21:38 PM »
+1
Covenant of Conquering
7/0 Silver Covenant
"If a Rescue Attempt in which no Hero had initiative and no Enhancements were played fails, rescuing Hero may redeem a Lost Soul from defender's Land of Bondage following battle."
~Revelation 2:7
« Last Edit: February 15, 2011, 08:58:24 PM by Minister Polarius »
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

Offline The M

  • Trade Count: (+15)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2216
  • FALCON PUNCH!
    • -
    • North Central Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2011, 05:49:34 PM »
0
Uzzah-killer HUZZAH!
Retired?

Offline BubbleBoy

  • Trade Count: (+11)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8014
    • -
    • North Central Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2011, 06:00:02 PM »
0
It's in a FbtN brigade, but I still like it. I'll bet the wording could be better...
Use the Mad Bomber to rescue his Province.

Offline SomeKittens

  • Tournament Host
  • Trade Count: (+10)
  • *****
  • Posts: 8102
    • -
    • Northeast Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2011, 06:18:23 PM »
0
Uzzah-killer HUZZAH!
Problem is, Uzzah is protecting them.  Unless this somehow works in the post-battle phase.
Mind not the ignorant fool on the other side of the screen!-BubbleBoy
Code: [Select]
postcount.add(1);

Lamborghini_diablo

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2011, 11:19:19 PM »
0
I'd put a limit or cost on it too.

Offline Minister Polarius

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15920
  • Grand Minister of Music and Video Games
    • -
    • East Central Region
    • Macclelland Music
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2011, 11:41:27 PM »
0
Edited to get around the fact of the protection. I didn't put a limit or cost on it since it pretty much only stops Uzzah (an OP card), Trembling Demon, BBN and SSS.
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

Offline Alex_Olijar

  • 16plus
  • Trade Count: (+15)
  • *
  • Posts: 8124
  • This guy is my mascot
    • -
    • Northeast Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 09:22:58 AM »
0
Egyptian Warden/Otho/Zimri as well.

Offline Minister Polarius

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15920
  • Grand Minister of Music and Video Games
    • -
    • East Central Region
    • Macclelland Music
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2011, 09:25:54 AM »
0
Those three all surrender initiative.
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

Offline Alex_Olijar

  • 16plus
  • Trade Count: (+15)
  • *
  • Posts: 8124
  • This guy is my mascot
    • -
    • Northeast Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2011, 09:26:41 AM »
0
Ahh, right, I missed that at first. I approve of this card either way.

Offline BubbleBoy

  • Trade Count: (+11)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8014
    • -
    • North Central Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2011, 12:01:14 PM »
0
Yeah, I think you either need to add the condition of an evil character blocking or add a cost to this card, because a RA + CM combo is now a soul-winner with this card.

Also, how would this combine with Grapes or The Long Day?
Use the Mad Bomber to rescue his Province.

Offline The Guardian

  • Playtester, Redemption Elder
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+96)
  • *****
  • Posts: 12344
  • The Stars are coming out...
    • -
    • North Central Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2011, 12:42:04 PM »
0
I like the concept but it seems that the ability would be better served in a brigade that doesn't have a FBTN Hero (whereas Silver has 2 plus Consuming Fire), such as White.
Fortress Alstad
Have you checked the REG?
Have you looked it up in ORCID?

Offline Alex_Olijar

  • 16plus
  • Trade Count: (+15)
  • *
  • Posts: 8124
  • This guy is my mascot
    • -
    • Northeast Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2011, 01:12:16 PM »
0
I like the concept but it seems that the ability would be better served in a brigade that doesn't have a FBTN Hero (whereas Silver has 2 plus Consuming Fire), such as White.

Why? It's a covenant...

Offline SomeKittens

  • Tournament Host
  • Trade Count: (+10)
  • *****
  • Posts: 8102
    • -
    • Northeast Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2011, 02:09:05 PM »
0
FBTN stops Uzzah, which is one of the main points of this card.
Mind not the ignorant fool on the other side of the screen!-BubbleBoy
Code: [Select]
postcount.add(1);

Offline Minister Polarius

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15920
  • Grand Minister of Music and Video Games
    • -
    • East Central Region
    • Macclelland Music
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2011, 04:15:24 PM »
0
Woot! This would go in every deck I make, mainly because I attack, they block smaller, I CM my hero and get to rescue a LS(maybe the other half of a 2-liner ;D)! The best part is if they CM me after I drop AotL, I get to rescue(assuming they had init)! Rescuing souls because of CM! :laugh:
I'm fine with that. It's kind of in the theme of CM, and would perhaps encourage defenses that aren't entirely comprised of initiative characters. It'd also be good for head games, since if you block higher than the Hero it voids CoC but leaves you open.

I had it in Silver because the verse is talking about Heaven, and I don't mind another big offense Enhancement for Silver to use since it's so bad right now.
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

Offline lightningninja

  • Trade Count: (+19)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5397
  • I'm Watchful Servant, and I'm broken.
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2011, 04:49:26 PM »
0
I feel like this card is broken in ways I can't think of. I'm sure with choose the blocker, there is some broken combo you could come up with. Sounds good from what I can think of though.  :)
As a national champion, I support ReyZen deck pouches.

Offline SomeKittens

  • Tournament Host
  • Trade Count: (+10)
  • *****
  • Posts: 8102
    • -
    • Northeast Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2011, 04:59:38 PM »
0
It's only broken in T2, but we'll errata it anyway.
Mind not the ignorant fool on the other side of the screen!-BubbleBoy
Code: [Select]
postcount.add(1);

Offline Alex_Olijar

  • 16plus
  • Trade Count: (+15)
  • *
  • Posts: 8124
  • This guy is my mascot
    • -
    • Northeast Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2011, 05:34:54 PM »
0
FBTN stops Uzzah, which is one of the main points of this card.

Your point? I can use a Covenant in any deck just fine.

Offline Minister Polarius

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15920
  • Grand Minister of Music and Video Games
    • -
    • East Central Region
    • Macclelland Music
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2011, 06:19:57 PM »
0
I feel like this card is broken in ways I can't think of. I'm sure with choose the blocker, there is some broken combo you could come up with. Sounds good from what I can think of though.  :)
Remember it only kicks in if you lose the RA. CTB wouldn't be able to abuse it. But keep trying to think of ways it could be broken (and say what they are...*cough*).
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

Offline Alex_Olijar

  • 16plus
  • Trade Count: (+15)
  • *
  • Posts: 8124
  • This guy is my mascot
    • -
    • Northeast Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2011, 06:23:06 PM »
0
I feel like this card is broken in ways I can't think of. I'm sure with choose the blocker, there is some broken combo you could come up with. Sounds good from what I can think of though.  :)
Remember it only kicks in if you lose the RA. CTB wouldn't be able to abuse it. But keep trying to think of ways it could be broken (and say what they are...*cough*).

CtB my Uzzah. Die and I get a soul or use the ability and I'll get a soul.

Offline Minister Polarius

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15920
  • Grand Minister of Music and Video Games
    • -
    • East Central Region
    • Macclelland Music
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2011, 06:24:42 PM »
0
Considering one of the main purposes of this card is to stop Uzzah abuse, I wouldn't say that's broken at all :)
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

Offline Alex_Olijar

  • 16plus
  • Trade Count: (+15)
  • *
  • Posts: 8124
  • This guy is my mascot
    • -
    • Northeast Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2011, 06:25:43 PM »
0
Considering one of the main purposes of this card is to stop Uzzah abuse, I wouldn't say that's broken at all :)

You don't think it's broken to GURANTEE* a soul when Uzzah blocks in T2 via CtB?

*Other than Dom interference

Offline Minister Polarius

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15920
  • Grand Minister of Music and Video Games
    • -
    • East Central Region
    • Macclelland Music
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2011, 06:28:57 PM »
0
What, no Brown Enhancements? If Uzzah's just a splash I say, good show sir! Use that to your advantage and get a free soul. When the potential for abuse comes from a super-broken card, the check isn't broken.

Basically, the whole point of this card is to make it more difficult to just splash Uzzah into any deck and get a fairly reliable easy block (2 with Torment, 5 in T2). If you find yourself being overrun by CTB'd Uzzahs from your territory, stop splashing so much Uzzah or use some Brown Enhancements.
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

Offline Alex_Olijar

  • 16plus
  • Trade Count: (+15)
  • *
  • Posts: 8124
  • This guy is my mascot
    • -
    • Northeast Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2011, 06:30:09 PM »
0
Oh, no, I meant I give my opponent either my Uzzah or TD via CtB with that card active and then reap the benefits.

Offline Minister Polarius

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15920
  • Grand Minister of Music and Video Games
    • -
    • East Central Region
    • Macclelland Music
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2011, 06:31:54 PM »
0
Wouldn't you just win anyway if you CTB'd a lower numbered character they had no Enhancements for?
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

Offline lightningninja

  • Trade Count: (+19)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5397
  • I'm Watchful Servant, and I'm broken.
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2011, 06:39:16 PM »
0
Yeah. And you're right about choose the blocker... You'd either get initiative or they'd lose and you'd get a ls.

What you have to remember though is that winning the battle and having a successful rescue attempt are two different things. Burial on the ls you were going to rescue doesn't work in t2 if you have this out. Neither would sog/nj or any card that buries souls. It's definitely a powerful card... but I don't think it's broken.  :)
As a national champion, I support ReyZen deck pouches.

Lamborghini_diablo

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2011, 06:41:06 PM »
0
I would still change it to say:

"If a Rescue Attempt in which no Hero had initiative, owner played no dominants, and no Enhancements were played fails, rescuing player may redeem a Lost Soul from defender's Land of Bondage following battle."

SOG, NJ, CM, Grapes, AotL. GG.

Offline lightningninja

  • Trade Count: (+19)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5397
  • I'm Watchful Servant, and I'm broken.
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2011, 07:18:43 PM »
0
There you go. That's how you'd break it, playing dominants on their souls. I knew it! Haha
As a national champion, I support ReyZen deck pouches.

Offline Minister Polarius

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15920
  • Grand Minister of Music and Video Games
    • -
    • East Central Region
    • Macclelland Music
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2011, 08:25:53 PM »
0
Edited one more time to not work with Grapes.
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

Offline BubbleBoy

  • Trade Count: (+11)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8014
    • -
    • North Central Region
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2011, 08:46:24 PM »
0
Unholy Writ, too...
Use the Mad Bomber to rescue his Province.

Offline Minister Polarius

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15920
  • Grand Minister of Music and Video Games
    • -
    • East Central Region
    • Macclelland Music
Re: Covenant of Conquering
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2011, 08:59:08 PM »
0
Made another edit requiring there to be a Hero in battle at the end of battle for it to work.
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

 


SimplePortal 2.3.3 © 2008-2010, SimplePortal