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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => New Card Ideas => Topic started by: Jack Skellington on March 07, 2008, 04:12:55 PM
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Uzza 3/4
Red brigade GOOD character
SA: When one of your art.s would be discarded, you may discard this card from play to return the artifact to your atr pile
Ref. same
Pontias Pilot 10/4
Gold GOOD character.
SA; When your SOG is discarded you may remove this card from play to pace SOG back into your deck.
Joab 6/6
(don't know brigade, Maby pale green?) Evil Character
SA: Discard one of your evil Characters in play to discard any hero with ref from Kings I and II, Cron. I and II, or David.
So just my oppinions on some cards that were wrongly selected as Good Or Evil.
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I like the Pontios Pilate one 'cause I never understood why he was considered an evil character.
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pilot i'd say would be purple, joab would be brown due to Brown is where evil isrealites seeminly go.
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your pontias pilot is extremely overpowered. Should probably word if sog is discarded without being used.
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I like the Pontios Pilate one 'cause I never understood why he was considered an evil character.
I think he is an EC because he was spineless and sentenced a man he knew was innocent (Jesus) to be executed for his own personal gain (to appease a mob and maintain order so that he could keep his life and position as governor).
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Prof Underwood has already commented on Pontius Pilate. As for Uzzah, he did not give enough reverence to God's presence. Joab is easily made into an Evil Character by the promo Adonijah.
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Prof Underwood has already commented on Pontius Pilate. As for Uzzah, he did not give enough reverence to God's presence. Joab is easily made into an Evil Character by the promo Adonijah.
He tried catching the ark as it almost hit the ground if memory serves, so that could be seen as good though I don't think he should be reprinted.
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why is Pontius Pilate a hero?
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why is Pontius Pilate a hero?
Because he tried many times to save Jesus and in the end IMO he did a very neutral thing.
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[Uzzah] tried catching the ark as it almost hit the ground if memory serves, so that could be seen as good though I don't think he should be reprinted.
God didn't seem to think it was a good thing, since he struck Uzzah down right then.
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It's only decendents of Aaron who are allowed to touch the ark.
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The problem was that they were carrying it wrong. It was to be carried by priests with the ark on poles. They ahd it in a cart. Hence the issue.
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The problem was that they were carrying it wrong. It was to be carried by priests with the ark on poles. They ahd it in a cart. Hence the issue.
Precisely!
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He's still a EC. He should be. He disobeyed a direct command from God to not touch the Ark. PERIOD.
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He's still a EC. He should be. He disobeyed a direct command from God to not touch the Ark. PERIOD.
It was either that or it would tumble down a hillside and crash into oblivion.
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How do you know that? Where you there?
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How do you know that? Where you there?
Haha :D Typical. i know it would have fallen and tumbles out of the cart onto the COLD, HARD GROUND.
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I don't think your being very real in your statement. Wow, the Ark made of solid wood and Gold overlay is going to crumble. If nothing else, God will tell David to get someone to fix it and it will be ok and Uzzah will be alive.
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still, its a natural reflex of people to try and stop things from falling...
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So basically the situation here is that what Uzzah did was follow:
A. his natural instincts (to catch a falling object), or
B. his logic and reason (that said catching the Ark was better than letting it hit the ground), instead of
C. God's direct command to not touch the Ark.
I don't see what the argument is on this issue. If you boil it down, does anyone here really think that it is "right" for a person to follow natural instincts or even logic instead of being obedient to God?
King David's oldest son followed his natural instincts when he slept with his sister, but no one is arguing that he is a good character. All the people outside of Noah's family followed logic that told them that there was no danger of drowning in a worldwide flood, but no one is arguing that they were good characters.
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King David's oldest son followed his natural instincts when he slept with his sister, but no one is arguing that he is a good character. All the people outside of Noah's family followed logic that told them that there was no danger of drowning in a worldwide flood, but no one is arguing that they were good characters.
Natural Reflex is different from Natural Instinct.
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Natural Reflex is different from Natural Instinct.
Yes, it is. I teach Biology, and a reflex is a simple, innate behavior. An instinct is a complex, innate behavior. However, both of these innate behaviors can be overcome with training (learned behavior). And in Uzzah's case, he should have "learned" that when dealing with the Ark of the Covenant, you never touch it for any reason.
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King David's oldest son followed his natural instincts when he slept with his sister, but no one is arguing that he is a good character. All the people outside of Noah's family followed logic that told them that there was no danger of drowning in a worldwide flood, but no one is arguing that they were good characters.
Natural Reflex is different from Natural Instinct.
I wouldn't try to excuse him. It seems rather obvious that he should be evil, since God killed him.
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Were all assuming that because he did this sin that therefore he could not be considered a hero. According to the Bible I see alot of people who we have as heros that could in alot of ways be villians and alot of people we have as villians who could in some ways be heros. I see the biggest sin about Uzzahs situation was in fact David's sin. Do I think Uzzah is innocent no but at the same time if we say Uzzah can't be a hero becuse of this situation I would say David shouldn't be a hero because he is the reason this all occured. Just my two sense from a stubborn Pastor. ;D
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Well, this is the only mention of Uzzah, as it is bad, so they chose to make him an EC.
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Were all assuming that because he did this sin that therefore he could not be considered a hero. According to the Bible I see alot of people who we have as heros that could in alot of ways be villians and alot of people we have as villians who could in some ways be heros. I see the biggest sin about Uzzahs situation was in fact David's sin. Do I think Uzzah is innocent no but at the same time if we say Uzzah can't be a hero becuse of this situation I would say David shouldn't be a hero because he is the reason this all occured. Just my two sense from a stubborn Pastor. ;D
we need SOME card to convert david, he messed up alot.
'So what I was saying was true...from a certain point of view.'
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It would be cool to reprint Uriah and say David cannot enter battle while Uriah is in play or have King David go to an evil character until Uriah is discarded
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but at the same time if we say Uzzah can't be a hero becuse of this situation I would say David shouldn't be a hero because he is the reason this all occured.
Well, by that logic, since everyone sinned, everyone is an EC. I say, if God actually killed you, you are an EC. David is often called "a man after God's own heart." I would say that he worked more good than evil, and is therefore a Hero.
I don't know about Joab meeting that qualification, but I think it's too late to reprint him for the sake of rebranding him as evil. You would have to recall all the GC Joabs.
I don't know about the situation with Uzzah, but God decided he needed to die right then. Whatever he did or was going to do was obviously inexcusable. No matter what David did, you can't try to pin Uzzah's mistake on him.
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It would be cool to reprint Uriah and say David cannot enter battle while Uriah is in play or have King David go to an evil character until Uriah is discarded
till? try bathsheba, uriah had to die to cement davids sinfulness
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I agree that if we judge GC vs. EC based on whether a person sinned, then every character in the game would have to be an EC. However, I think that it is fair to say that looking at someone's life is judging from a human perspective. I would also say that God's perspective trumps human perspective.
Therefore, although I agree that David did many evil things, and I would not judge him to be a great example of a believer based on human perspective, God saw him differently. As has been mentioned, God said that David was "a man after His own heart". Despite my personal feelings about David, I'm going to go with God and say he should be a GC.
As for Uzzah, I agree that it seems like he wasn't really so bad based on human perspective. However, God saw him differently and killed him for it. Despite my personal feelings about Uzzah, I'm going to go with God and say he should be a EC.
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I like the Pontios Pilate one 'cause I never understood why he was considered an evil character.
I think he is an EC because he was spineless and sentenced a man he knew was innocent (Jesus) to be executed for his own personal gain (to appease a mob and maintain order so that he could keep his life and position as governor).
If I remember correctly. Jesus said to Pilate that His kingdom was not of this world and it needed to be fullfilled in scripture for Him to die on the cross. Pilate saw no evil in Jesus and was going to let Him go . But the mob saw otherwise and he was worried about his safety. I would have Pilate both ways like saul/paul.
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Historically, Pilate was in a no-win situation. He had not been the most popular of rulers up until that point, having done things to anger the Jews previously. He was in a "third-strike and you're out" position with his superiors. Pilate saw no fault in Jesus, and did not feel it right to execute him. You can even get the sense from the gospel narrative that he may have realized Jesus' supernatural nature.
He believed that he had found a way out of his predicament by offering the Jews a choice between Jesus and Barabbas. When the Jews chose Barabbas, it was either go back on his word and in all likeliness incite the mob to violence, or release Barabbas and crucify Jesus. I sympathize with Pilate, because he was caught in the middle of things far, far bigger than him, and caved into pressure. I doubt that any one of us would have handled the situation any differently. He hardly deserves his place among the hordes of evil, rubbing shoulders with Haman and Nero.
However, classifying him as a Hero is too far of a stretch to make. There is no evidence he ever became a believer, therefore his god was the Emperor. I think he deserves a reprint, but into the Gray brigade. One, because he's Roman, after all, and two because it's the brigade where "middle of the road" figures tend to end up.
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Uzza 3/4
Red brigade GOOD character
SA: When one of your art.s would be discarded, you may discard this card from play to return the artifact to your atr pile
Ref. same
Pontias Pilot 10/4
Gold GOOD character.
SA; When your SOG is discarded you may remove this card from play to pace SOG back into your deck.
Joab 6/6
(don't know brigade, Maby pale green?) Evil Character
SA: Discard one of your evil Characters in play to discard any hero with ref from Kings I and II, Cron. I and II, or David.
So just my oppinions on some cards that were wrongly selected as Good Or Evil.
outside of the spelling errors, and the fact that moses was reprinted this is not contraversyal (see, i can't spell either)
while your at the reprinting thing... can we make abishai evil too??
I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT ADONIJAH CAME OUT... it ruins the new and improved joab, and uzzah should not be a hero, he did the wrong thing for the right reason, but that doesn't justify his actions
also, i think that we should make a 'new cart' card that i will post now!
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I don't know if they printed Judas as an evil character or not. But, in my opinion he should be good. Sure he betrayed Christ, but if he hadn't Christ might not have died. If he didn't die he couldn't have been resurrected. Also as far as I can tell the apostles didn't realize who Jesus was until "after" he was resurrected.
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Judas is evil
he was chosen because of the betrayal, i forget where, but it says he stole from the coin purse... he was the treasurer
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Judas is evil
he was chosen because of the betrayal, i forget where, but it says he stole from the coin purse... he was the treasurer
I thought he was paid to betray Christ. Then he was so guilty he hung himself. But, before that he gave back the 30 pieces to the priests who used it to buy a potter's field.
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Judas was the treasurer and it is widely suspected (maybe even mentioned in teh Bible but I don't know without looking) that he stole from the funds given.
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Judas was the treasurer and it is widely suspected (maybe even mentioned in teh Bible but I don't know without looking) that he stole from the funds given.
Huh. Never heard that before. :-\
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I agree that if we judge GC vs. EC based on whether a person sinned, then every character in the game would have to be an EC. However, I think that it is fair to say that looking at someone's life is judging from a human perspective. I would also say that God's perspective trumps human perspective.
Therefore, although I agree that David did many evil things, and I would not judge him to be a great example of a believer based on human perspective, God saw him differently. As has been mentioned, God said that David was "a man after His own heart". Despite my personal feelings about David, I'm going to go with God and say he should be a GC.
Another thought from God:
Ezekiel 18: 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
Therefore, the reason Judas is an EC after being ordained an apostle.
David certainly fulfills the same conditions of life's course in rebellion against God. Since God is not a respector of persons, I would say a reprint of David could be like a Saul Paul Card with the multi-color being the evil brigade. GC special ability: When a woman is in your territory, convert David to EC. EC special ability: capture all women GCs in opponent's teritory. Discard Uriah.
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I agree that if we judge GC vs. EC based on whether a person sinned, then every character in the game would have to be an EC. However, I think that it is fair to say that looking at someone's life is judging from a human perspective. I would also say that God's perspective trumps human perspective.
Therefore, although I agree that David did many evil things, and I would not judge him to be a great example of a believer based on human perspective, God saw him differently. As has been mentioned, God said that David was "a man after His own heart". Despite my personal feelings about David, I'm going to go with God and say he should be a GC.
Another thought from God:
Ezekiel 18: 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
Therefore, the reason Judas is an EC after being ordained an apostle.
David certainly fulfills the same conditions of life's course in rebellion against God. Since God is not a respector of persons, I would say a reprint of David could be like a Saul Paul Card with the multi-color being the evil brigade. GC special ability: When a woman is in your territory, convert David to EC. EC special ability: capture all women GCs in opponent's teritory. Discard Uriah.
I don't know if they printed Judas as an evil character or not. But, in my opinion he should be good. Sure he betrayed Christ, but if he hadn't Christ might not have died. If he didn't die he couldn't have been resurrected. Also as far as I can tell the apostles didn't realize who Jesus was until "after" he was resurrected.
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Just FYI, Dante, they have two prints of Judas. Both are evil Crimson, and the Priests version has a pretty awesome special ability.
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Just FYI, Dante, they have two prints of Judas. Both are evil Crimson, and the Priests version has a pretty awesome special ability.
What's the ability?
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1st one has non second one cannot be discarded or converted by an opp (cannot be negated)
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Wow, I didn't think it would get this big!
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Judas was the treasurer and it is widely suspected (maybe even mentioned in teh Bible but I don't know without looking) that he stole from the funds given.
when a woman (not Mary of Bethany) poured perfume on Jesus feet, Judas gets mad and says that it should have been sold and the money given to the poor
then it goes on to explain that he said this because he stole money from the treasury
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Matthew 26:23-24 (NIV)
Jesus replied " The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me". "The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born"
That is one verse, among many, that speaks of Judas' character. He tagged along as the treasurer and sucked funds from them. It is unclear whether he repented at the end, however, it is pretty clear in the Bible that he is not in a nice place right now. How is it that you think the man who betrayed the Son of God can be a hero? That just makes no sense. You can say he was used by God for a purpose, however, that by no means makes him a hero. God used a Thorn in the Flesh to show Paul his weakness so that God's strength can be shown-that does not mean that the Thorn was a good thing, on the contrary,
Paul says that it is a "messenger of Satan", and that it tormented him. To say that Judas was a hero would be ridiculous, if one has studied the Scriptures about him.
~Isaac
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Thread resurrection!
I'm curious as to why Balaam is an evil character. He does disobey God's command on one occasion and manages to miss the Angel of the Lord three times before his donkey has to tell him what's going on, but all in all his narrative is about a man who worships the Lord and will not curse God's people (even when powerful rival kings tell him to) without first consulting with the Lord. He winds up prophesying four times (green brigade Balaam!) and eventually blesses the people of Israel to the chagrin of the King of Moab. With the exception of his one instance of disobedience, his entire story is actually a tale of obedience to the Lord. Much of this thread seems to agree that bad characters who do a few good things (Pilate) are deservedly evil characters and that good characters who do a few bad things (King David, Joab) are deservedly good characters; however, Balaam falls into the latter category and yet is inexplicably an evil character.
If there's any card that should switch brigades, it's Balaam.
Discuss!
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Intresting idea I am not sure though. Maybe something like King Saul?
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The narrative of Balaam is found in Numbers 22-24. Also, there's an interesting little reference about Balaam in Micah 6:5: "O my people, remember what Balak king of Moab devised, and what Balaam the son of Beor answered him, and what happened from Shittim to Gilgal, that you may know the righteousness of the LORD."
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Joab did bad, bad and more bad. I've always wondered why he was a Hero and Abner was an Evil Character.
But as for Balaam, he's an EC because even though he didn't go directly against God's word, he deliberately brought the Israelites into sin.
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Joab did bad, bad and more bad. I've always wondered why he was a Hero and Abner was an Evil Character.
I guess because Joab was with David (A 'Good' King) While Abner sided against David. Doesn't make sense to me. I used to think Joab was cool (when I got my first joab promo...way long ago) but the more I learned about him... He really was one of those "Who needs enemies when you have friends like that?" sorta guy.
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But as for Balaam, he's an EC because even though he didn't go directly against God's word, he deliberately brought the Israelites into sin.
Where is that in the Bible?