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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => New Card Ideas => Topic started by: Eragon5 on June 12, 2015, 12:33:11 PM
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Anyway brigade icons can be added to the new set? The reason I ask is because I know someone who is color blind and won't play redemption because of it. It's a lot to ask for just probably a handful of people (probably not to many color blind redemption players out there), and at this point it would probably be a bad idea since so many cards have been printed without, but is this a good idea?
It's probably not worth the time to fix but would brigade icons be something you would want or be beneficial.
Feel free to post any/all input.
Thanks :)
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Anyway brigade icons can be added to the new set? The reason I ask is because I know someone who is color blind and won't play redemption because of it. It's a lot to ask for just probably a handful of people (probably not to many color blind redemption players out there), and at this point it would probably be a bad idea since so many cards have been printed without, but is this a good idea?
It's probably not worth the time to fix but would brigade icons be something you would want or be beneficial.
Feel free to post any/all input.
Thanks :)
That would be a cool idea. I'd guess the issue would that it would take considerable effort to redo the standard template, and that's probably not an investment Cactus could make at this point. However, perhaps if your friend was able to label their cards somehow...it obviously might affect their trade values. Another thing would be to have a decklist of cards they would use, and write the brigades of each card on the list.
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Would there be an option for this player to have something like Lackey's deck-builder up on a laptop while playing? That would allow them to look up the cards and see the names of the brigades for any cards through the game?
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Anyway brigade icons can be added to the new set? The reason I ask is because I know someone who is color blind and won't play redemption because of it. It's a lot to ask for just probably a handful of people (probably not to many color blind redemption players out there), and at this point it would probably be a bad idea since so many cards have been printed without, but is this a good idea?
It's probably not worth the time to fix but would brigade icons be something you would want or be beneficial.
Feel free to post any/all input.
Thanks :)
That would be a cool idea. I'd guess the issue would that it would take considerable effort to redo the standard template, and that's probably not an investment Cactus could make at this point. However, perhaps if your friend was able to label their cards somehow...it obviously might affect their trade values. Another thing would be to have a decklist of cards they would use, and write the brigades of each card on the list.
A better idea than labelling cards, is putting a label in the sleeves perhaps, that way it won't affect the card value, and can be moved around. Like maybe put a little paper saying "Green" in a sleeve for a green card.
I would still be in favor of brigade icons or something like that, while I don't usually think of myself as colorblind (I only have a minor issue that I discovered in one of the most nerdy ways possible) and I rarely have issues with Redemption brigades, but Clay and Silver look fairly similar to me (I can easily tell them apart if I compare them, but sometimes I'm not sure when I just look at one... this is mostly an issue with sites and because I don't have The Early Church memorized yet).
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Anyway brigade icons can be added to the new set? The reason I ask is because I know someone who is color blind and won't play redemption because of it.
However, perhaps if your friend was able to label their cards somehow...it obviously might affect their trade values. Another thing would be to have a decklist of cards they would use, and write the brigades of each card on the list.
A better idea than labelling cards, is putting a label in the sleeves perhaps, that way it won't affect the card value, and can be moved around. Like maybe put a little paper saying "Green" in a sleeve for a green card.
I am guessing the issue wouldn't be limited to (or even primarily with) his/her deck--but in being able to understand what your opponent is playing. When I play against someone using unexpected cards, I have a hard enough time. I can't even imagine how hard it would be with the added drawback of not being able to tell what brigade a card might be.
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Agreed. However, I would think most people would try to be accomodating as possible (as long as your friend doesnt mind mentioning their colorblindness). That would include reminding them which colors a certain card is. Inconvenient, to be sure, but hopefully not entirely limiting. Im not familiar with other CCGs, though I do know that some of them use colors as part of the gameplay. Is it standard for them to have something like that?
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Im not familiar with other CCGs, though I do know that some of them use colors as part of the gameplay. Is it standard for them to have something like that?
MtG has colors represented also by differing icons (a sun for white, a tree for green, etc.). Pokemon energy cards have differing symbols to accompany their colors. Yu-Gi-Oh! has different kanji along with different colors for different card types/alignments (and I believe has a tiny word for the type/alignment above the symbol as well).
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In Magic the Gathering the colors are represented by symbols and Pokemon has symbols for colors too. In Lord of the rings there is also symbols and so do yugioh and digimon. So yes it seems fairly standardized, however, I don't think its necessary. If a person is colorblind all he has to do is look at the data base to build his own deck and his opponent can tell him the colors he is playing with.
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it would take considerable effort to redo the standard template, and that's probably not an investment Cactus could make at this point.
*rolls eyes*
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If a person is colorblind all he has to do is look at the data base to build his own deck and his opponent can tell him the colors he is playing with.
"Of course Moses can use Search. It's CBN on all Green Brigade Prophets, including Moses."
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it would take considerable effort to redo the standard template, and that's probably not an investment Cactus could make at this point.
*rolls eyes*
i feel you man but like i said before same reason as before.. it would take basically a whole reboot of the game to make it happen.. i understand your position and your designs are fantastic, but realistically the game does have 20 years of running consistency :p
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Anyway brigade icons can be added to the new set? The reason I ask is because I know someone who is color blind and won't play redemption because of it. It's a lot to ask for just probably a handful of people (probably not to many color blind redemption players out there), and at this point it would probably be a bad idea since so many cards have been printed without, but is this a good idea?
It's probably not worth the time to fix but would brigade icons be something you would want or be beneficial.
Feel free to post any/all input.
Thanks :)
hey man maybe your friend can get some glasses like this guy did? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTpCTDwjHZQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTpCTDwjHZQ) otherwise you can always play son of god to rescue his lost soul (and maybe then he will see!) *ba dum pshh* blessings..
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We Shouldn't have to retool anything, just put the Brigade in the Identifier (if space) or down in the empty space by the copy write info (if space and player is not as old as Bill) on the new cards going foreword.
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We Shouldn't have to retool anything, just put the Brigade in the Identifier (if space) or down in the empty space by the copy write info (if space and player is not as old as Bill) on the new cards going foreword.
Well, that really isn't as easy as it sounds, as much as we'd like it to be (especially the identifier part, those are crowded enough these days), and it also does not solve any issues for previous cards. We would have to do a considerable retool on the current card design process; not saying it would be impossible, but it does represent time and resources that Cactus may not have at this time (remember that Redemption brings in very little for the company, yet Rob still puts a lot of time into it instead of other, more profitable enterprises).
There's no reason to redesign the whole template just to put an identifier for the brigade color. "But it's too much effort" seems to be the standard answer. I'm not even saying cactus needs to change anything.
Daniel, you don't know what goes into the design or printing of the cards currently, or how everything is set up. You also seem to have a bad attitude from the outset, assuming much and understanding little as you post things that are not actually contributing to the conversation (a post that is literally "*rolls eyes*" is not appropriate or helpful).
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If a person is colorblind all he has to do is look at the data base to build his own deck and his opponent can tell him the colors he is playing with.
"Of course Moses can use Search. It's CBN on all Green Brigade Prophets, including Moses."
I hope that you are not suggesting that people would cheat, because I have been assured that cheating is an anomaly that only happens at my tournaments. ;)
*rolls eyes*
There's actually an emoticon for that already. ::)
Anyway brigade icons can be added to the new set?
Personally I love this idea! ;D Not only does it help those who need it, but I see other benefits as well:
1.) It could be used to shorten some SAs by using a symbol instead of a word, "If used by a @ character, ..."
2.) It could simultaneously increase the use of older cards that were printed without civilization consideration, "Wait, the Warriors King of Tyrus is @!"
3.) It would eliminate the confusion between good gold and evil gold.
4.) It would be really cool!
5.) It would be so cool that we would want to create t-shirts and avatars with them. ;D
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There's no reason to redesign the whole template just to put an identifier for the brigade color. "But it's too much effort" seems to be the standard answer. I'm not even saying cactus needs to change anything.
Daniel, you don't know what goes into the design or printing of the cards currently, or how everything is set up. You also seem to have a bad attitude from the outset, assuming much and understanding little as you post things that are not actually contributing to the conversation (a post that is literally "*rolls eyes*" is not appropriate or helpful).
My *rolls eyes* post is a lighthearted nod to the fact that I've redesigned the template many times and sent Rob ideas for improving the card design. :)
Also, and I do not mean to sound arrogant, but I work with print design on a daily basis. As far as I know, Rob uses Quark XPress (or if he has upgraded, Adobe InDesign) to lay the cards out.
If the identifer space is not large enough, what about a small circular icon to the right of the card?
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There's no reason to redesign the whole template just to put an identifier for the brigade color. "But it's too much effort" seems to be the standard answer. I'm not even saying cactus needs to change anything.
Daniel, you don't know what goes into the design or printing of the cards currently, or how everything is set up. You also seem to have a bad attitude from the outset, assuming much and understanding little as you post things that are not actually contributing to the conversation (a post that is literally "*rolls eyes*" is not appropriate or helpful).
My *rolls eyes* post is a lighthearted nod to the fact that I've redesigned the template many times and sent Rob ideas for improving the card design. :)
Also, and I do not mean to sound arrogant, but I work with print design on a daily basis. As far as I know, Rob uses Quark XPress (or if he has upgraded, Adobe InDesign) to lay the cards out.
If the identifer space is not large enough, what about a small circular icon to the right of the card?
yeah man i totally agree with you, your card designs are awesome. i would love to see your card designs used eventually, if they can adopt them. i mean if you look at other card games like redemption you can see an obvious evolution in their card designs to even very extreme changes that it almost looks like it's from a different game. i love your designs and would love to see them in the game but from a print side i understand how an investor could be hesitant considering the cost of reprint. maybe just printing the further on sets with them could work but i can see people being confused at first looking at them thinking "wow! they look completely different!" not a bad thing aesthetically, but logically may throw some people off at first trying to figure out now what means what it meant before. for the most part i see the parallels in your design but i also come with a design background :p
don't give up on your designs for redemption! they are the best i have seen next to the son of god with dore on it that's my favorite card atm haha
redemption is a christian game and a lot of people will try a game for the cool factor which your designs totally bring
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Just to point out, I am not at all familiar with the cost/effort involved with changing the card layout. It is certainly possible, but I was just guessing...it would of course be up to Rob to determine if the requisite effort is feasible. I do think it's a cool idea, and while I very much doubt it would be feasible for the next set, which is pretty close to getting prepared to print in order to be available for Nationals, it is certainly possible to see what might work the next time around.
Also, I'm not sure if other CCGs that use brigade icons have split color/multi color cards, but if so, do they just have all applicable icons on the card? Just curious. If this is ever going to be a reality, then we have to try to take all situations into consideration.
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Also, I'm not sure if other CCGs that use brigade icons have split color/multi color cards, but if so, do they just have all applicable icons on the card? Just curious. If this is ever going to be a reality, then we have to try to take all situations into consideration.
I don't even know very many TCGs that still use colors like Redemption does, but MTG's two-colored cards use the mana icons of both colors. The thing is, Redemption has way too many brigades to come up with a unique symbol for all of them while keeping them easy to memorize. Perhaps just the first letter of the brigade color? (R=Red, P=Pale-Green, W=White)
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Instead of marking the individual cards, why don't you mark the card sleeves. With masking tape or black markers.
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Instead of marking the individual cards, why don't you mark the card sleeves. With masking tape or black markers.
Only thing I can see wrong about that would be one of two things:
A) It could be seen as if "marking" the deck, or cheating, rather than an aid for helping someone with vision problems.
B) It would make sense. :P
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Only thing I can see wrong about that would be one of two things:
A) It could be seen as if "marking" the deck, or cheating, rather than an aid for helping someone with vision problems.
B) It would make sense. :P
To the first part, there is no problem with marking the fronts of sleeves in a way that doesn't leave a 'bump' or 'bulge' that lets the card stand out. I have personally used marker on penny sleeves (first layer of protection for my cards...at least until the new sets, which are too big) to designate what cards I use when transforming between T1 and T2. It is only required that the backs be exactly the same and that there is no difference between cards as they sit in deck (including the feel while you are shuffling). As for the second part, hopefully that's just an attempt at a joke, though it is odd why so many people just want to assume (or make comments insinuating) that people who love and play the game like to do nonsensical things to it.
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It seems that recent events have put everyone on edge, reading into everything that is being said these days. I pray that we as a community learn to forgive, show mercy, and maybe even turn the other cheek as part of the healing process we apparently need.
:grouphug:
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As for the second part, hopefully that's just an attempt at a joke, though it is odd why so many people just want to assume (or make comments insinuating) that people who love and play the game like to do nonsensical things to it.
Just an FYI:
It's called humor ... maybe with a little sarcasm mixed in ... hence why I added the little silly face emote next to it, so people wouldn't take that specific comment seriously.
On a side note,
It is my experience that what makes sense is usually the last thing considered or done. In this case, the idea is raised of coming out with a whole new printing of cards and a set up for people with vision problems when the solution is simple, cheap, effective, and would work with past cards ... mark the front of the sleeve. My only concern, as I pointed out, is it being mistaken for cheating.
Jesusman
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The thing about cheating...is you better have definite proof that your opponent is cheating. And it's probably best to let a mod or tournament host handle that after he or she has been informed. The other reason for marking card sleeves might be a eye problem. ..poor eyesight, old age, bifocals, color blindness or a new player not knowing any better(generally a young kid).
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It's called humor ... maybe with a little sarcasm mixed in ... hence why I added the little silly face emote next to it, so people wouldn't take that specific comment seriously.
On a side note,
It is my experience that what makes sense is usually the last thing considered or done.
You can't say it was a joke but a serious comment in the same breath...and then, you post once again that you seem to think that what makes sense isn't considered. So I'm puzzled as to why I would take it any other way, and that's what I pointed out in my previous post. Just because someone disagrees with an approach taken in this game, we see accusations like this get thrown around where they don't belong (like here).
The thing about cheating...is you better have definite proof that your opponent is cheating. And it's probably best to let a mod or tournament host handle that after he or she has been informed. The other reason for marking card sleeves might be a eye problem. ..poor eyesight, old age, bifocals, color blindness or a new player not knowing any better(generally a young kid).
I don't see there being a matter of cheating intentionally here, so long as just the fronts are marked (and just with marker or something). Since my old way of doing this is dead (with the larger cards in the new print), let me share a product I started using instead, to go with what you said earlier, that may help some players:
Get some Ultra Pro Sleeve Covers (http://www.ultrapro.com/product_info.php?products_id=1865), which can be slipped over a standard sized sleeve (do it in the opposite direction of the initial card insertion, and you have the bonus of protecting the card from any grime or dirt :)). That way, you can mark up the sleeve (if you use cheap ones) or the protector itself (if you want to preserve more expensive sleeves like those with art on the backs). I've used them myself and they are very easy to slip on-and-off of the sleeved cards, so you don't have to worry about them getting stuck or anything. Just note that they are very slippery when you first start using them, so it may take a game or two for them to stop sliding around ;)
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It's called humor ... maybe with a little sarcasm mixed in ... hence why I added the little silly face emote next to it, so people wouldn't take that specific comment seriously.
On a side note,
It is my experience that what makes sense is usually the last thing considered or done.
You can't say it was a joke but a serious comment in the same breath...and then, you post once again that you seem to think that what makes sense isn't considered. So I'm puzzled as to why I would take it any other way, and that's what I pointed out in my previous post. Just because someone disagrees with an approach taken in this game, we see accusations like this get thrown around where they don't belong (like here).
Jesusman made no accusations...
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You can't say it was a joke but a serious comment in the same breath...and then, you post once again that you seem to think that what makes sense isn't considered. So I'm puzzled as to why I would take it any other way, and that's what I pointed out in my previous post. Just because someone disagrees with an approach taken in this game, we see accusations like this get thrown around where they don't belong (like here).
Out of respect for your title of "Global Moderator", Redoubter, I am not going to post what I was originally intending to post. What I will say is that I am offended at how something originally said in a light hearted manner, and later clarified in a serious rebuttal, could be blown out of proportion and twisted around to mean what was not said, and this by an authority figure like yourself.
Jesusman
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Just because someone disagrees with an approach taken in this game, we see accusations like this get thrown around where they don't belong (like here).
Unfortunately the only one making "accusations" in this thread has been you, both to Jesusman and Daniel. I tried to warn you about this is my PM, but you have chosen to ignore me thus far.
In regard to Daniel, he has been presenting his template and redesign plans for years, so his "rolling eyes" at a post about the time and work involved in a redesign was actually appropriately funny, even though it did not contribute to the conversation.
In regard to Jesusman, responding to a question about "Why don't we...," with an answer of "Because it makes sense," is kind of a national joke that I have heard used in just about every profession. Even if the original quote was coined by "rebels," nowadays it is just commonplace humor.
I tried to make a generic post just a few posts above this, but you chose to ignore that as well. As I have mentioned many times before, I respect all that you do here on this forum, and we need you and your expertise. However, in the immediate sense, you need to stop reading into people's comments looking for hints of anti-establishment. Message Boards are not just about facts and figures and rulings. Having a little fun is what makes this a community. In my school community, if someone tells a bad joke, I simply don't laugh. I don't scold them for creating an unhumorous environment. ;)
We all need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and remember that even though we don't always agree (or laugh at the same types of humor), we still have One major thing in common. Let's cherish the fact that the friends we make in His name are friends that we'll have for eternity. Even though I am in no hurry to attend Nationals, I look forward to the first official Heavenly Redemption Tournament where I'll get to see all of you, all that are not on these boards, and all that have made their way to Heaven already. :)
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YMT, this community is better because you are a part of it.
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YMT, this community is better because you are a part of it.
C'mon, dude, you're going to make me cry.... :'( ... which is so uncool for a guy my age... and weight... :o
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Thanks to those that attempted to keep this discussion peaceful.
Because it's not apparent here, I'd like to ensure everyone that there has been an exchange of private messages to help resolve what I believe to be a misunderstanding of words and intentions between participants in this discussion.
Carry on.
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Because it's not apparent here, I'd like to ensure everyone that there has been an exchange of private messages to help resolve what I believe to be a misunderstanding of words and intentions between participants in this discussion.
Doesn't mean I shouldn't post here, too. Only reason it was delayed was due to an illness that knocked me out yesterday, didn't want to post on cold meds.
I misread Jesusman's post due to my personal presumptions and triggers that others know on this board. There are people who have occasionally made comments that the leadership make nonsensical decisions, but he was not doing that, and that was my mistake, along with how I approached it even if he had been saying that (which he wasn't). I don't really have an excuse for it.
So while I've already apologized to him via PM, I need to put out here that what I assumed was wrong and what I said was wrong. I had said in a PM that Gabe could slice-and-dice my posts if he saw fit, but I won't edit them myself.
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If we go back to every post that Redoubter has ever made, and keep count of every time that he has been right and every time that he has not been right, by my calculations there is still a less than zero percent1 chance that he will not be right.
Trust me... I'm a Math Teacher.
1Special thanks go to MKC for coining this phrase.
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Now that I think about it, I wonder if it would be possible to put a brigade letter in the middle of the cross/bible/pyramid icon. It would have to be the appropriate contrast to the icon, but I think there might be a pretty decent way to accomplish it. The Dragon/skull icons may be a bit more difficult, and we would also have to account for Gold/Green, Gold/Gray, and Black/Brown (probably with a 2-letter abbreviation such as Br/Bl/Gr/Go)
So maybe it would have to be something like this:
Blue = B
Clay = C
Gold = Go
Green = Gr
Purple = P
Red = R
Silver = S
Teal = T
White = W
Black = Bl
Brown = Br
Crimson = C
Gold = Go
Gray = Gr
Orange = O
Pale Green = P
If anyone (Daniel... ;)) could come up with a way to incorporate those in the icons (or a better idea, I'm just trying to think of ways to incorporate the ideas without a complete layout overhaul) I can assure my support for sets going forward. Again, I can't make any promises, but as I've said, I really like the idea and would support its implementation.
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Created a couple test images just to showcase what both a Letter as well as a Full Word could look like in the icon box for a mono-brigade and a dual-brigade card. The font color/size/etc could easily be changed and a shadow added if needed to make it stand out more (though I think the white against the brown of the cross icon is readable without being glaring).
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FWNOvw7K.jpg&hash=08b5487edc7ed11366d8b8c018a14bfb1d385f64)(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FooGA9UE.jpg&hash=7a750c5816347f8eb9179d8a7dd8a438999ef85a)
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fl5R3u9d.jpg&hash=f63dcb15f80e4f755289818d0d3351aad6f96253)(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FnxBRerP.jpg&hash=02f5ff95cbf278cb77995697ed6f6035c0b76a16)
Writing out the full words would get cluttered for multi-brigade cards (like Scattered) and for longer brigade names (like Pale Green).
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So then, all pale green cards are rated PG.
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Writing out the full words would get cluttered for multi-brigade cards (like Scattered) and for longer brigade names (like Pale Green).
I agree. Even just doing "Silver/Purple" would be tight. I think the letter abbreviations are better, but we would need to include a key inside booster wrapping (like the Taunt identifier explanation was) or with insert cards (everyone's all-time favorite ;D ).
So then, all pale green cards are rated PG.
Que is clearly not appropriate for younger viewers. :o
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I appreciate the sentiment of this idea, and I'm all for making the game accessible to more players. How big of a hinderance is color blindness to playing Redemption? I'm no expert on the subject. The people I know can see some colors, but have problems with specific ones. For example, green and brown may look the same.
Changing the card design, even just to incorporate a color icon or word, doesn't seem like a great solution. We already have 20 years worth of cards printed that don't have these indicators. Even if we start doing it next year (it's too late to do it for this year's release), in 20 more years we will only have the indicator on approximately 50% of the cards in print (likely less since sets have gotten smaller in recent years). That really doesn't solve the problem for those that are color blind.
Allowing a player to mark the card face or sleeve front to indicate color seems like the best solution for a player to know their own deck. When it comes to deck building, there are tools available to help a player distinguish which brigade is on their card. But none of this helps them distinguish the brigade on an opponent's card. Apart from asking the opponent (and really, who isn't going to be honest about this?) I'm not sure there's a good answer.
If Redemption were ever to do a reboot I totally support using brigade specific icons, or including the color name in the identifier. I just don't think it will have the desired impact if we do it this far into the life of the game.
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Now that I see the implementation of the brigade abbreviation, it looks pretty invasive and distracting (and confusing to players who wouldn't know what the letters stand for). How about this:
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi59.tinypic.com%2F10e3aja.jpg&hash=e2cb8927aab239ad03c05362dd8a624ea7cbe45e)
The name of the brigade is written on the card border, and when held in the hand and tipped downwards reads easily, as well as being non-invasive.
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Like that idea, Daniel. What I like more, however, is that art. So cool...
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Changing the card design, even just to incorporate a color icon or word, doesn't seem like a great solution. We already have 20 years worth of cards printed that don't have these indicators.
What if sheets of brigade stickers were were created that could could be applied (as Daniel shows in Red card) by players? Cactus produces the stickers, sells them for a nominal fee, and requires that tournament legal decks have these designators attached (either on the card or the sleeve).
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Now that I see the implementation of the brigade abbreviation, it looks pretty invasive and distracting (and confusing to players who wouldn't know what the letters stand for). How about this:
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi59.tinypic.com%2F10e3aja.jpg&hash=e2cb8927aab239ad03c05362dd8a624ea7cbe45e)
The name of the brigade is written on the card border, and when held in the hand and tipped downwards reads easily, as well as being non-invasive.
This is a better idea than I had.
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Now that I see the implementation of the brigade abbreviation, it looks pretty invasive and distracting (and confusing to players who wouldn't know what the letters stand for). How about this:
The name of the brigade is written on the card border, and when held in the hand and tipped downwards reads easily, as well as being non-invasive.
This would potentially clash with warrior/weapon/tclass icons.
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Wow . . . I didn't expect to get so much feedback. Thank you so much for all the ideas input! :)
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Changing the card design, even just to incorporate a color icon or word, doesn't seem like a great solution. We already have 20 years worth of cards printed that don't have these indicators.
What if sheets of brigade stickers were were created that could could be applied (as Daniel shows in Red card) by players? Cactus produces the stickers, sells them for a nominal fee, and requires that tournament legal decks have these designators attached (either on the card or the sleeve).
Or you could just require all tournament decks to have some indicator on each card/sleeve. I'm not sure enough players would be willing to have to buy sheets of these indicators to cover the cost of printing them, but if you could choose how you marked them, as long as they were marked in a visible and understandable way, then I'd see no problems with this idea.
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I feel that honestly, it's too late into the game to make any changes to correct this. You can't reprint 2,000+ cards, you can't force your opponent to mark their cards, the most you could really do is just do something to identify your own cards.
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I feel that honestly, it's too late into the game to make any changes to correct this. You can't reprint 2,000+ cards, you can't force your opponent to mark their cards, the most you could really do is just do something to identify your own cards.
You don't have to reprint all 2,000+. Just the ones that are used the most often
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I feel that honestly, it's too late into the game to make any changes to correct this. You can't reprint 2,000+ cards, you can't force your opponent to mark their cards, the most you could really do is just do something to identify your own cards.
You don't have to reprint all 2,000+. Just the ones that are used the most often
That's still pretty unfeasible at this point.
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I feel that honestly, it's too late into the game to make any changes to correct this. You can't reprint 2,000+ cards, you can't force your opponent to mark their cards, the most you could really do is just do something to identify your own cards.
You don't have to reprint all 2,000+. Just the ones that are used the most often
That's still pretty unfeasible at this point.
Agreed. That would make us have to make a distinction of what older cards are "usable" and what cards are not. It would require us to make the largest single set ever made, which also means no new cards. It would have us reprint existing versions of cards instead of giving them updates and a facelift. It would also make existing copies unusable (or the project is meaningless if old copies still get used), which we don't want regardless. Reprinting the existing cards is not an option.
As far as marking sleeves, I don't believe that Cactus should be mandating such a thing, as that more or less ruins sleeves in the long run, particularly when you switch decks. People who play with someone who needs the visual reminders could certainly adjust how they present their cards to be inclusive, but I'm not sure that Cactus has a way to force it feasibly across the board.
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As far as marking sleeves, I don't believe that Cactus should be mandating such a thing, as that more or less ruins sleeves in the long run, particularly when you switch decks.
Really? All you need are some yard-sale-style circle stickers, tape, or even the cactus produced stickers mentioned earlier. You just stick it to the outside-front of the sleeve and you're good to go with little cost and no ruining of sleeves. It's certainly no more of a hardship or a financial burden than cactus requiring sleeves at tournaments in the first place...
And if we really like MJB's idea we can just include the sticker sheets as a resource for tournament hosts and the costs of printing the sheets can be added to the tournament costs. That way the stickers can be applied at the tournament before deck check-in and no one is even really inconvenienced.
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Really? All you need are some yard-sale-style circle stickers, tape, or even the cactus produced stickers mentioned earlier. You just stick it to the outside-front of the sleeve and you're good to go with little cost and no ruining of sleeves. It's certainly no more of a hardship or a financial burden than cactus requiring sleeves at tournaments in the first place...
You'll note that Cactus did not require sleeves previously, even when TexP cards were obviously bent differently in decks. It was only mandated when the new cards (from a new manufacturer) were different sizes, and it was impossible not to see the difference. When there was an option, it was not required.
Further, stickers and tape can be problematic for the reasons mentioned above (it can ruin the sleeves) and also because it makes the cards thicker (thus tougher to stack/shuffle) while leaving options to 'mark' cards with slight offset stickers.
And if we really like MJB's idea we can just include the sticker sheets as a resource for tournament hosts and the costs of printing the sheets can be added to the tournament costs. That way the stickers can be applied at the tournament before deck check-in and no one is even really inconvenienced.
There should not be more costs added to tournaments where it can be avoided. And they still would be inconvenienced by being required to buy another product (again, sleeves were only required once it was impossible to play without them) and ruin sleeves.
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I am not able to reprint cards for this purpose.
If a color blind player wishes to mark their card faces or their sleeves to help them identify their cards, that is fine with me. I encourage tournament hosts to allow it.
Moreover, if someone here wants to produce a sheet of stickers for this purpose and offer it for sale on a site like thegamecrafter that would be fine with me as well. You have my blessing on it.
Nevertheless, I will not require all other players to mark their cards or sleeves for the sake of color blind players. If some players choose to do this as an act of friendship then, good for them. But, I am not mandating it.
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I feel that honestly, it's too late into the game to make any changes to correct this. You can't reprint 2,000+ cards, you can't force your opponent to mark their cards, the most you could really do is just do something to identify your own cards.
You don't have to reprint all 2,000+. Just the ones that are used the most often
That's still pretty unfeasible at this point.
Agreed. That would make us have to make a distinction of what older cards are "usable" and what cards are not. It would require us to make the largest single set ever made, which also means no new cards. It would have us reprint existing versions of cards instead of giving them updates and a facelift. It would also make existing copies unusable (or the project is meaningless if old copies still get used), which we don't want regardless. Reprinting the existing cards is not an option.
As far as marking sleeves, I don't believe that Cactus should be mandating such a thing, as that more or less ruins sleeves in the long run, particularly when you switch decks. People who play with someone who needs the visual reminders could certainly adjust how they present their cards to be inclusive, but I'm not sure that Cactus has a way to force it feasibly across the board.
There is another option: Other card games have had to deal with similar issues: You Errata old card to add the "Brigade" Icon (it would be assumed). No need to reprint them, BUT if the Elders should choose to reprint an older card that is relevant to the current set being printed, it would then be reprinted with the Brigade Icon. Basically, cards printed forward would have the symbol and old cards would assume the symbol.If a player plays the old card without the symbol or the new card with the symbol, they would function the same way. Most players are used to this type of fix in tcgs due to the impossible task of having to reprint cards every time development make the game "better."
There would need to be a section added in the REG (as there would be anyway to deal with the icons) that essential said: Older cards were not printed with a Brigade Icon, but now assumed to have them. You can look up older cards on the official "Complete List" at Cactus Game to see what the icon would have been if it were printed in a modern set; the color behind the cross/dragon/skull/bible should be helpful visual clues to that official list.
I really like the idea of doing something specific per brigade (even if it is simply written on the card), I have an old Gold King of Tyrus and a new Orange King of Tyrus where the gold inking was really dark and the orange was lighter, they just about look to be the same brigade. I would guess if a person had any pigment handicaps it would be very frustrating. I think it's a strong positive if a cards brigade was clear even if it was printed in black and white (because printers can make errors in pigments).