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Title: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: megamanlan on February 26, 2015, 05:40:06 PM

Spoiler: Babylon the Great (hover to show)

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5/10 Crimson Evil Character
Heretic, Babylonian Queen, X= # of Heretics or Babylonians in play.
Rev. 17:5
Shuffle a Lost Soul into Deck or Reveal the top X cards of Deck, Add a Revealed Evil Card to Hand or a Revealed Evil Character to Battle. Negate Good Protect Abilities. Cannot be negated if a Demon is in play.

Spoiler: Babylon the Harlot (hover to show)

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8/8 Crimson Evil Character
Heretic, Babylonian Queen
Rev. 17:5
May band to an Evil King, then you can Discard a Crimson Enhancement to Discard a Hero in Battle and Protect up to 2 Lost Souls in Sites from rescue.

Spoiler: Seven-Headed Dragon (hover to show)

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7/5 Orange Evil Character
Pit Demon, Royal, King, Taunt (Discard a Hero in a territory and a Evil Female gains 1/1)
Rev. 17:3
If no Angel is in Battle: Protect all cards from Dominants and Enhancements that cannot be negated. May band to a Female or a King. Cannot be prevented.

Spoiler: Sitting as Queen (hover to show)

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1/0 Multi Evil Enhancement
Rev. 18:7
If used by a Female, negate the Last Enhancement, then Draw 2 and Band to a King. Cannot be prevented.

Spoiler: Seven Mountains (hover to show)

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0/2 Crimson/Orange Evil Enhancement
Rev. 17:9
Interrupt the battle, Search Deck for up to X Sites (Max 7) or an Evil Fortress. You may place any number of Lost Soul cards in unoccupied Sites you control.

Spoiler: The Ten Horns (hover to show)

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1/2 Orange Evil Enhancement
Rev. 17:16
Discard a Female to negate a Site or Fortress then End the Battle. Cannot be negated if used by a Revelation Demon.

Spoiler: The Waters (hover to show)

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Red/Clay Site
Rev. 17:15
If you control an Evil Female and a Demon and a Lost Soul is placed here: Search your Opponent's Deck for a Lost Soul and play it. Negate Site Access.

Let me know what you all think? Look like fun? Too OP? let me know!

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: DrowningFish on February 26, 2015, 05:50:52 PM

I absolutely love Babylon the Great. Maybe the Shuffle a lost soul or... Should be taken out? The reveal makes me think of Eves ability but a lot better.
And I don't get the taunt identifier on 7 headed Dragon

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: LukeChips on February 26, 2015, 05:56:09 PM

We definatley need a new babylion the great, the latest one has no SA!

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: megamanlan on February 26, 2015, 05:58:48 PM

The only reason I put that on Babylon the Great was honestly for a tad bit more synergy for Heretics... but meh...

The Taunt on 7-Headed actually has to do with that he has blasphemous names on him in his description as well as he represents the seven kings who have conquered the world. My personal reason was because I didn't really want to make another card to also describe Babylon drinking the blood of the martyrs... And it fits well as the win of a Taunt condition.

Actually I think we only have a Babylon the Harlot... I forget, either way, the only reason I made the Harlot originally was to replace the original, that and have one that fits closer to the Heretics then Great does.

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: LukeChips on February 26, 2015, 09:38:50 PM

Heritics definatley needs some more powerful characters just to even be considered a theme.

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: megamanlan on February 26, 2015, 10:32:38 PM

They're advantage comes from being small Stats and Protecting LS's, but yes, they do need a beater of sorts.

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: Redoubter on February 26, 2015, 10:39:14 PM

Just from a rules perspective and not commenting on the actual cards:

Babylon, nor anyone representing it/her, is not a Heretic.  Babylon is representative of the religion of being part of 'the word' instead of the following of God.

Quote from: The REG

Heretic
A heretic is a N.T. human evil character who publicly denied or misrepresented some teachings of the apostles and established doctrines of the Church, while still holding some teachings or doctrines
to be true. Their object is to disturb the life of the church and those within it, shaking their confidence and spoiling the work of Christ. The gospels were written in great measure as a means to answer the words and teachings of the heretics in the early N.T. church.

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: megamanlan on February 26, 2015, 10:57:55 PM

Well to be most accurate, Revelation 17 defines it as a Religious system which many believe will be based in a major city that will be the face of that religion like Mecca is for Islam or the Vatican for the Catholics. But it will also be a major economic center as well which comes from Rev 18's description of "Babylon" and people morning because such a great economic stronghold was destroyed.
There are a fair amount that believe that Babylon very well could be more of a variation of Christianity which is more or less a Heretical version, believing in what they wish from the Bible and disregarding the Scripture and Doctrine they don't like. While this isn't 100% obvious from the Scripture, there are some hints of it or at least an ideology that will have to be widespread and accepted such as Christianity but also one that is not the truth. While I personally lean towards a mix of her being a Heretical Christianity mixed with other religions to convince everyone to join in (such as C.S. Lewis suggested in the Final Battle), I'm still open to the option that it could very well have nothing really to do directly with Christianity as well. Both are plausible based on the 2 chapters.

And with that I've completed my theology dump for the day. =)

With all that said, I thought I remembered Babylon the Harlot on REG having a Heretic identifier a while back, but then again that could have been a mess up as that was back when REG was kinda screwed up in some places, especially the identifiers in the really old cards.

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: Redoubter on February 26, 2015, 11:30:39 PM

To be considered as a Heretic, we need some proof that there is actual perversion of the truth of Jesus and what is given in the gospels.  Babylon of Revelation may also include twisted Christianity in some ways, but there is nothing in the scripture to indicate that it is representative of a deliberate misleading those of the Way while still claiming to be following God.

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: LukeChips on February 27, 2015, 09:39:24 AM

Quote from: Redoubter on February 26, 2015, 11:30:39 PM

To be considered as a Heretic, we need some proof that there is actual perversion of the truth of Jesus and what is given in the gospels.  Babylon of Revelation may also include twisted Christianity in some ways, but there is nothing in the scripture to indicate that it is representative of a deliberate misleading those of the Way while still claiming to be following God.

I think she drank the blood of christians, does that count?

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: EmJayBee83 on February 27, 2015, 09:44:09 AM

Nice art on Seven Mountains, Megamanlan.

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: megamanlan on February 27, 2015, 11:32:16 AM

Quote from: LukeChips on February 27, 2015, 09:39:24 AM

Quote from: Redoubter on February 26, 2015, 11:30:39 PM

To be considered as a Heretic, we need some proof that there is actual perversion of the truth of Jesus and what is given in the gospels.  Babylon of Revelation may also include twisted Christianity in some ways, but there is nothing in the scripture to indicate that it is representative of a deliberate misleading those of the Way while still claiming to be following God.

I think she drank the blood of christians, does that count?

Not really as that is an analogy of murdering the saints and being intolerant of true Christianity, not corrupting doctrine, and besides there are other Heretics mentioned in Rev as well, like the Nicolaitons and Jezebel

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 27, 2015, 09:44:09 AM

Nice art on Seven Mountains, Megamanlan.

Thanks

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: LukeChips on February 27, 2015, 01:56:09 PM

Is there a theme in redemption for people who kill christians?

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: Minion of Jesus on February 27, 2015, 03:37:00 PM

Quote from: LukeChips on February 27, 2015, 01:56:09 PM

Is there a theme in redemption for people who kill christians?

Yes, they're called Romans.

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: megamanlan on February 27, 2015, 03:50:41 PM

Technically, there are several people that have killed Christians in the game.

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: LukeChips on February 27, 2015, 04:31:32 PM

Quote from: megamanlan on February 27, 2015, 03:50:41 PM

Technically, there are several people that have killed Christians in the game.

is ot a theme of any sort, are they all in one brigade?

Title: Re: Babylon the Great and her pet Dragon
Post by: megamanlan on February 27, 2015, 05:40:24 PM

No, but then again she works fairly well with Babylonians as well as a general Demon deck.