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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => New Card Ideas => Topic started by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 28, 2009, 02:45:49 PM
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Multi EE 5/5
"Discard your hand. Discard up to X heroes. Cannot be interrupted."
X = Cards discarded from hand by this card.
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I love it
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The abilities are too high, especially for a multicolor enhancement. I wouldn't make it any more than 6 total ability points.
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Way too powerful. You've got a junk hand (except for that card) and you can discard a hero for each card in your junk hand?
It might be better to delete "up to", just have it read "Discard X heroes." That way, if you have seven cards, and you can't discard 7 heroes, you can't play the card. Invariably, then you may have to discard your own heroes.
In any case though, I think this is too powerful for Type 1. especially in middle- to late-game, when someone's got all their heroes on the table. I have a hand of eight cards, block with a small Egyptian, play Swift horses, then play this. Now I've got ten cards in my hand. I wipe out all of your heroes, and since my character is small, you never get initiative to interrupt it. Too powerful.
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As an aside, this may be just me, but why is "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" cast as evil?
Theologically speaking, the moral idea of an "eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" was given by God to the Hebrews. Since it was given by God as His instruction, how then could it be evil?
Historically speaking, if you look at the context and the civilizations extant at this time, "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" was actually an enormous moral leap forward (that is, a moral good) compared to the prevailing mores of those days. "ONE eye for ONE eye, ONE tooth for ONE tooth" meant that punishment must be limited to the actual damage inflicted. If someone pokes my eye out, it is wrong for me (or for the state) to kill him. If someone slaps me on the face, I'm not permitted to beat him to a pulp. If someone violates my sister, I'm not allowed to send a hit-man to murder that person's family, etc. In those days, people took vengeance WAY too far. "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" restored moral balance.
Thirdly, our law (here in America and in most civil societies) is based on the Ten Commandments and "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." This is the only sane way to govern a society. You can't allow vigilante justice, but you also can't allow criminals to go unpunished for the sake of Christian love and forgiveness.
For these reasons, I'm a little uncomfortable with framing "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" as evil as this card does. Yes, Jesus said that "turn the other cheek" is morally perfect, but He also said that not one jot or dot shall pass from the Law until all is fulfilled. The law is good as God gave it.
Maybe I'm just over-thinking it, but I do like to consider the moral and theological implications of the cards as well as their gameplay properties.
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The abilities are too high, especially for a multicolor enhancement. I wouldn't make it any more than 6 total ability points.
Make the abilities X/X so it scales with how many cards you discard from your hand
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All my enhancements in Storehouse that I need to win, then play that discard my junk, you're out of heroes, slowly get my hand back. gg
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I used to have a card that has you discard your hand to do something (I believe it was failed objected but not sure). I noticed, though, that I never had "junk" in my hand (the only "junk" card I had was a site stealer against a deck that has no sites). I ended up taking it out since I never used it.
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All my enhancements in Storehouse that I need to win, then play that discard my junk, you're out of heroes, slowly get my hand back. gg
exactly, but this is like a 10 card combo, I fail to see how its overpowered
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I used to have a card that has you discard your hand to do something (I believe it was failed objected but not sure). I noticed, though, that I never had "junk" in my hand (the only "junk" card I had was a site stealer against a deck that has no sites). I ended up taking it out since I never used it.
You mean primary objective :)
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Way too powerful. You've got a junk hand (except for that card) and you can discard a hero for each card in your junk hand?
It might be better to delete "up to", just have it read "Discard X heroes." That way, if you have seven cards, and you can't discard 7 heroes, you can't play the card. Invariably, then you may have to discard your own heroes.
In any case though, I think this is too powerful for Type 1. especially in middle- to late-game, when someone's got all their heroes on the table. I have a hand of eight cards, block with a small Egyptian, play Swift horses, then play this. Now I've got ten cards in my hand. I wipe out all of your heroes, and since my character is small, you never get initiative to interrupt it. Too powerful.
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As an aside, this may be just me, but why is "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" cast as evil?
Theologically speaking, the moral idea of an "eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" was given by God to the Hebrews. Since it was given by God as His instruction, how then could it be evil?
Historically speaking, if you look at the context and the civilizations extant at this time, "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" was actually an enormous moral leap forward (that is, a moral good) compared to the prevailing mores of those days. "ONE eye for ONE eye, ONE tooth for ONE tooth" meant that punishment must be limited to the actual damage inflicted. If someone pokes my eye out, it is wrong for me (or for the state) to kill him. If someone slaps me on the face, I'm not permitted to beat him to a pulp. If someone violates my sister, I'm not allowed to send a hit-man to murder that person's family, etc. In those days, people took vengeance WAY too far. "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" restored moral balance.
Thirdly, our law (here in America and in most civil societies) is based on the Ten Commandments and "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." This is the only sane way to govern a society. You can't allow vigilante justice, but you also can't allow criminals to go unpunished for the sake of Christian love and forgiveness.
For these reasons, I'm a little uncomfortable with framing "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" as evil as this card does. Yes, Jesus said that "turn the other cheek" is morally perfect, but He also said that not one jot or dot shall pass from the Law until all is fulfilled. The law is good as God gave it.
Maybe I'm just over-thinking it, but I do like to consider the moral and theological implications of the cards as well as their gameplay properties.
No, I wouldn't hire a hitman, I'd kill them myself. But that is aside the point. Jesus Removed this law making its use (Now) an evil deed.
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No, I wouldn't hire a hitman, I'd kill them myself. But that is aside the point. Jesus Removed this law making its use (Now) an evil deed.
What does it mean to say that Jesus "removed" this law? What other laws did Jesus remove, if any? I guess I'm a bit confused here, because I thought He said, "Not a dot or a tittle shall in any way pass from the Law until all be fulfilled."
Am I missing something?
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Under the old law, you had the right as an individual to exact justice.
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I'm going to give my best comment to that. Like, highest rating from me. ;D EPIC!
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Under the old law, you had the right as an individual to exact justice.
No, I wouldn't hire a hitman, I'd kill them myself. But that is aside the point. Jesus Removed this law making its use (Now) an evil deed.
What does it mean to say that Jesus "removed" this law? What other laws did Jesus remove, if any? I guess I'm a bit confused here, because I thought He said, "Not a dot or a tittle shall in any way pass from the Law until all be fulfilled."
Am I missing something?
Jesus fufilled the law.
To quote Jesus
"Turn the other cheek"
Now if he got his vengeance he would of not taken that he would of slapped him back. It also said vengeance is the Lord's not outs.
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Lol Jesus Got rid of the OLD COVENANT SYSTEM. Not the old testament system of law (the 10 commandments are still very valid, and applicable)
The birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus abolished the old sacrificial system: a human priest, an earthly sacrifice and building (temple).
He replaced the human priest with himself, and became the mediator between God and man. He also became the sacrifice for us, and as Christians we are the living temple.
Eye for an Eye and tooth for a tooth was an instruction and guideline for the governing authority.
Turn the author cheek is an exhortation to the individual.
I really like the card concept, but I agree, it should be a good card.
EDIT fixed typos
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Lol Jesus Got rid of the OLD COVENANT SYSTEM. Not the old testament system of law (the 10 commandments are still very valid, and applicable)
The birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus abolished the old sacrificial system: a human priest, an earthly sacrifice and building (temple).
He replaced the human priest with himself, and became the mediator between God and man. He also became the sacrifice for us, and as Christians we are the living temple.
Eye for an Eye and tooth for a tooth was an instruction and guideline for the governing authority.
Turn the author cheek is an exhortation to the individual.
I really like the card concept, but I agree, it should be a good card.
EDIT fixed typos
The governing authority could have been evil, maybe it should be like philosophy and be good and evil
ah... i like the birgade color.
Its multicolor... what are you talking about?
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dude I like the idea of being either good or evil
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dude I like the idea of being either good or evil
O_o